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One of this score's best and most underrated moments, especially in the context of the film, is the introduction of the Kraken's theme in "Row to Tia Dalma". The tense buildup while Gibbs describes the creature's horrors, then the brief pause as he names it, followed by the theme in the absolute lowest registers of the orchestra, quiet, but so so so menacing and also just SUPER FUCKING COOL.<br><br>It gives me goosebumps every time, in a *dialogue scene*. That is incredibly good musical storytelling.Edmund: And posted their one-sentence review of it on the Hans Zimmer fan site.Anything missed from the official release?oh damn really? huh that would be cool. even with the ultimate edition there’s still deleted scenes and I wish they were put on the Blu ray.<br><br>it plays during the scene after the knightmare when Clark is looking through the polaroids that say judge jury executioner on them. i don’t remember if that’s an extended scene or not as I’ve only seen the theatrical cut once in theaters. one and done lol"Chicken Run really makes you FEEL like you're in a concentration camp." - IGN
I guess it comes from a deleted scene where Jesse Eisenberg gets playful with his dinner. Rumor has it it's gonna be included in the Snyder Cut.I love the notion of Barack Obama and IGN teaming up to review 20 year old film scores.Smoothly done soundtrack. IGN - 10/10what the hell is Quaker steak and lube????I disagree on Catwoman. I love Zimmer's theme and I thought it is one of his most underrated themes.
Loved the new tracks!<br><br>Hans & Chris really did something special.<br><br>I enjoyed the Tenet score, but honestly Ludwig's work doesn't compare to Zimmer's. I just hope they work together again instead of Chris choosing Ludwig as his main collaborator from now on.Agreed.<br><br>I don’t know, TDKR feels a little oppressive to me in comparison with BB and TDK , probably as a result of Nolan’s musical tastes veering away from symphonic to more abstract. Reading the new book on Nolan gives me the impression that he has a very similar approach to his music as he does his filmmaking. With that said though, TDKR is still a solid conclusion to the franchise. Bane’s theme is excellent and the culmination of the various “Bat-Themes” do feel well earned. Catwoman’s theme is solid, but for some reason is dropped from most of the movie in favor of the repeating two-note phrase.<br><br>@Moggyman<br>Honestly I feel as if JNH’s work on the first two Hunger Games sequels showed a strong improvement in writing and theme building. The last score was a bit too much of a pastiche, but orchestrally a stronger fit than the first one. And “Crimes of Grindelwald” is easily one of the best sequel scores in the past few years (alongside Star Wars and HTTYD). Unfortunately we still don’t have a good album situation for that though. -_-Counterpoint: I liked Crimes of Grindelwald more than the first Fantastic Beasts. And forget Hanging Tree - "Air Raid Drill" from the first and "Sewer Attack" from the second Mockingjay are the best cues from that series. Plus, JNH honestly hasn't worked on that many sequels so we don't really have enough to go on here. <br><br>I think having JNH on board for Catwoman would have done wonders for this score. Hans' theme is okay, but feels like a bit of an afterthought compared to Bane.TDK & TDKR have amazing theme suites.<br><br>But as for the scores in film, they don't even get close to Batman Begins !I like Tom but idk he's gone downhill in my book. Alita was boring, i was over the moon excited for Terminator cause that was a perfect mix and it was disappointed big time. I'd love to hear Steve Jablonsky tackle that and get back to being as great as he used to, he has been phoning it in big time lately
Ok, before I eat my words, JNH did create the Hanging Tree in Mockingjay p1 which was good, but nothing else other than that in the sequels.For being the so called "weakest", it's very good. And if you think that Bane's theme is repetitive, I would say the same about the Joker's theme in TDK (to me they are both good though). <br><br>Now in all fairness, JNH could have probably added good material to the score since he's a genius, but I personally think he doesn't do well on sequels. Sure, in TDK he gave harvey dent a theme that resonated with his character (but was similar to material already used in BB). Yet, if you look at his work in the hunger games, its seems to me that he couldn't bring something both new and compelling to the sequels as he did in the first movie. I will agree with you that Batman Begins has the best music of the series though.After re-listening to this one, it's clearly the weakest of the trilogy. Of course it's not bad, the new themes are pretty good (though I think Bane's theme is a bit too repetitive and dry at times), there's still emotional moments, but JNH's absence really left a hole in this score.<br><br>I get to an extent that's the point, that all of Bruce's potential for a happy life is gone, but even the emotional tracks to me have nowhere near the emotional resonance that JNH's themes brought to the films. <br><br>"Come With Me" is the best example, where the slow emotional Selina Kyle chords just don't leave much of an impact. Definitely could have used JNH's "Courthouse Pt. 1" or the main theme from "Bruce Left For Dead" to emphasize Bruce's giving up of a quiet life. <br><br>Of course I still appreciate the way the 2 note motif is developed into a theme of its own, as well as the score as a whole, but then you get tracks like "Many Forms of Immortality" which just emphasize how much more effective the thematic work in Batman Begins was.It could also be Tom, who worked on Run All Night, and is already an established DC composer<br>Either way I'll be happyI lowkey think James is gonna score the Black Adam movie. it's the same director from Jungle Cruise so I'm sure he'll be brought along for it
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Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 0 || 2018-10-03 14:53:15
Congratulations to mr. Zimmer for his Order of Merit medal!

Anonymous reply Replies: 4 || 2018-09-26 09:15:36
Sorry, I don't buy that story about his return to the genre. His words are stuff you say in front of a camera to look good and avoid complications. Everyone dreams of working on (and watching/enjoying) a project with good story, cast, and everything. It is just that these things are monumentally rare to happen these days. And when they do happen they usually come from small teams who cannot afford the likes of Hans Zimmer in the first place. Whatever is behind his return, I am sure it is not story or director. it's largely about expanding influence, and a good dose of financial incentives.

On a different note, I recall the WW motif was being attributed to Tina Guo in the past, but now Hans Zimmer is claiming it for himself. It does not matter who made it happen but I am curious, what was going about with Guo and this motif in the past, was it an attempt to overstate her contribution in order to get her recognized and hired - i.e. the things HZ usually does for friends at the beginning of their solo film composer careers?


Knight2018-09-26 12:07:50
All Tina Guo did in relation to the WW theme is performed it. Hans was the one that created and wrote it.


Mephariel2018-09-26 18:29:28
I am not sure why it is so hard to believe that story or director matters. They matter to virtually every top name composers because having good story and directors will increase reputation and legacy. Composers have repeatedly turn down projects in a franchise when their collaborating directors did not return. It is not just a Hans Zimmer thing.

Also, Zimmer has done plenty of small films like Freeheld for example. He is clearly looking for legacy and I agree about expanding influence. But I am not sure how much financial incentives matter at this point. His net worth is like close to $100 million.

As for Wonder Woman, I think Zimmer always say they worked together on the theme. I don't think he ever said Tina Guo composed the entire thing.


Ds2018-09-26 19:07:57
He composed it, she played it. But performers can leave their mark on the music, and I'm sure Guo put a lot of her personality in her performance. So this theme as we know it could be attributed to both. That's why Zimmer said he "couldn't get it right" until he brought Tina in. But on paper it's still a HZ track.


Anonymous2018-09-27 09:51:46
@Mephariel

What I meant to in the early paragraph was that every composer wishes to work on a project with good story. But good scripts and stories are rare these days.

Like I was trying to say, when good stories do happen, they occasionally appear in films and projects helmed by a crew of lesser-known or unknown talents. (comes naturally really as they don't have nervous producers to appease.) But then again those running these projects of that scope know they cannot get someone like Hans Zimmer on board so that never happens. Cases like Freeheld are too rare to be considered a norm.

Regarding financial incentives, I am sure it is present there in full force. He doesn't need it of course, and he is not taking several projects every year. But he sure doesn't look like he is taking anything that does not have a healthy paycheck guaranteed. I do not believe making music for FIFA, national geographic, volvo, netflix and alike can be considered small and humble.

Zack Snyder reply Replies: 0 || 2018-09-24 15:07:40
He wants to compose for movie with good story.. retirement from superhero genre is just to chase Away justice league executives.. by the way how is HZ and JXL still buddies?

Poor Zack snyder reply Replies: 0 || 2018-09-24 15:04:43
I think he just wanna compose movie with good story.. now we know why he said he is retiring from superhero genre

fanuelalex reply Replies: 1 || 2018-09-22 08:19:28
so glad to see HZ back to the superhero genre

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Edmund Meinerts2018-09-23 12:58:47
yeah I feel like it's been days, weeks even since the last one

nvictor reply Replies: 0 || 2018-09-21 17:45:44
so great to watch this new interview. it confirmed how i felt about wonder woman and widows. it is the right thing to do.

Hans's comment on losing his voice took me by surprise though. dunkirk touched on a few techniques i wanted to see explored more. i know other composers did it before. but i think dunkirk did a better job at putting those elements together... hopefully there is be a similar movie in the near future : )

Antos7 reply Replies: 5 || 2018-09-20 23:08:52
Balfe is doing Michael Bays next movie !!! What’s happened with Jablonsky?


Scorefan2018-09-21 02:33:25
Maybe, Bay thinks Balfe is better than Jablonsky in terms of military tones and music.


Mike2018-09-21 02:59:20
Huh. I like Jablosnky, but I really liked the 13 Hours score, so it's hard for me to complain.


ThePhantasm2018-09-21 03:08:37
Steve is just trying to spend a little time with his family i think, he's not as busy as he used to be but i think it's cause he chooses that. Film Composing is an insanely time consuming job. I like Balfe a lot though.


MikeM2018-09-21 14:35:08
Balfe has constantly been brought in on Transformers movies , so great to see him working with Bay properly


Bayhem2018-09-21 15:24:39
Steve is clearly spending time with his family. He had a second child just a few months ago. I think he will eventually be back on the Bay Train.

And Lorne is the right choice for a "replacement". He's been involved in one way or another with the Bay movies for more than 10 years now. He's certainly not a surprising choice and I'm looking forward to the score. It's a movie that takes place all over the world, so I have big expectations for the music.

isildur reply Replies: 0 || 2018-09-21 15:15:57
Hans says he worked so hard to get WW1 to Rupert, but didn't he also recommend that they try a female composer?

José Damián reply Replies: 0 || 2018-09-20 22:52:19
Review widows: It's also scored by Hans Zimmer, which means it is immediately in the running for best score of the year...

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 7 || 2018-09-18 20:45:25
Little HZ interview about a few things...


Dimitris Krommidas2018-09-18 20:58:51
Thanks.


Knight2018-09-19 12:31:50
Hybrid, all over the site there are no longer music extracts to listen to. For me at least, is it a universal thing?


Mike2018-09-19 17:04:02
@Knight, it's not just you.


Hybrid Soldier2018-09-19 19:54:22
Audio is down unfortunately.

Legal reasons... Nothing to do with Hans or any composer who have always been very supportive.

Maybe it'll return, maybe not...


Knight2018-09-19 20:30:08
Article 13?


Hybrid Soldier2018-09-19 20:37:28
Nope.


Even if it wouldn't have helped, I guess ! lol


Knight2018-09-19 20:40:43
Hope it gets fixed, I love listening to the suites you add to scores here.

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