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This is a seriously good score....but the temptracking is rather problematic. The love theme is directly from Braveheart, a lot of the action in No Going Back is Mount Doom from LOTR etc....but still better than some of that synth nonsense peddled by the Junkmeister elsewhere.Am I correct that the music used in the long flashback sc&#232;ne with Hester and Shrike is only sort of present in the final track "Alive and Together" ?So the complete score is now available on YouTube and it’s AWSOME. Particularly Escape through ParisDoes anyone have the chronological order yet?? That would be great!@MrZimmerFan<br><br>Gotta agree with you, I definitely think WW is a far stronger score. That’s not to say I think Aquaman is bad, but none of the themes have really impressed me at all. The orchestral/synth hybrid is pretty cool, but once again I think it was done far better with Thor: Ragnarok. <br><br>(Will say this though; “Black Manta” is a badass track)
First Impressions:<br><br>This might be one of the most “traditional” scores that Tom has scored at this point in his career. The strings/brass still have the signature JXL sound to them, but the music feels more mature when compared to something like Mad Max or even his most recent outings. <br><br>I’m still picking up on the themes as of now (the most obvious being the main fanfare and Hester’s tune) but the idea for Shrike is definitely a clear standout. Especially when it gets an emotional spin later on. The use of woodwinds and the operatic female solo vocals also are a nice addition.<br><br>Overall this has to be the biggest surprise of the year for me. Having sorta given up on Junkie after being disappointed by his output in the past few years I never expected him to write a fantasy score on this level (while still keeping one foot in his comfort zone of course). Hopefully more producers actually demand quality music from him, as opposed to the shit we got from<br>Tomb Raider and Deadpool.Great work. <br><br>I love Tom's aggressive and extreme way of mixing and bold use of percussion.<br><br>Glad to see him linked to Alita: Battle Angel tooI imagine iTunes and Spotify by Friday. The people commenting on it have likely heard a leaked version.Where can we listen this score ?It's a good score, nice blend between orchestra and synths.<br><br>But, i think WW is more interesting score
I'm listening right now, one of the best works by Tom, by far.<br><br>Beautiful choir, great action tracks (even there is a great renditions of the themes, Windflower with that version of Shrike's theme is gorgeous) and multiples themes.I'm guessing CONFESSIONS & REGRETS is Tom Sells out his Clone?I have done this for... so many things ! :PThanks so much!01 - THE ISLAND AWAITS YOU => 1M1 MAIN TITLES + 1M2 NIGHTMARE #1<br>02 - WHERE DO THESE TUBES GO? => 1M2 MISSING A SHOE + 4M24 ROUTE 39<br>03 - SECTOR 6 => 4M19C CENSOR CHASE PT 3 + 4M19D THE OUTSIDE WORLD<br>04 - STARKWEATHER => NOT IN MIXES (Album idea or suite idea ?) + 6M33H MVC PT 6 THE BIG R<br>05 - AGNATE UKULELES => 2M10 AGNATE UKULELES + 2M10B UKULELES 2 - ELECTRIC B<br>06 - YOU HAVE A SPECIAL PURPOSE IN LIFE => 3M14A RELEASING THE MOTH + 3M14B LIMA'S DEMISE<br>07 - MASS VEHICULAR CARNAGE => 1MD HEALTH CLUB (ALBUM SONG VERSION)<br>08 - RENOVATIO => 5M32B TRACKING THE CLONES<br>09 - I'M NOT READY TO DIE => 3M15 STARKWEATHER'S DEMISE (EDITED)<br>10 - THIS TONGUE THING'S AMAZING => 7M43 THIS TONGUE THING'S AMAZING + 6M38 CONFESSIONS & REGRETS<br>11 - MASS WINNINGS => 7M44 MASS WINNINGS + 7M45 RETURN TO INSTITUTE + 7M45 RETURN TO INSTITURE PT 2<br>12 - THE CRAZIEST MESS I'VE EVER SEEN => 3M16-17 A PRODUCT ON THE LOOSE + 3M18A CENSOR CHASE PT 1<br>13 - SEND IN THE CLONES => 5M29 TRAIN STATION CHASE + 5M31-32 IN LA - CALVIN KLEIN<br>14 - MY NAME IS LINCOLN => 8M52 THE END OF MERRICK<br><br>;)
Hybrid is it possible that you could do a crossreference of what cues here = the ones on album like you did for King Arthur and Transformers 4?And maybe there's too much synth work in both cause... Andrew K worked on both ?! lolMothersbaugh isn't the only person out there to use 80s synth, you know. You are after all, on the website named after perhaps the greatest pioneer of it in terms of film music. <br><br>Also, there is nothing about this film that screams "Thor Ragnarok" ripoff. If anything, the appropriate place to compare is Black Panther- however, as Aquaman and his mythology predates Black Panther by several years, that argument is rendered moot.<br><br> Sure, we have regal similarities (king, set in kingdom, evil half brother) but it literally ends there. The story is quite basic, but nowhere like Ragnarok in its entirety. Ragnarok was about two brothers putting aside their differences to stop their evil sister from unleashing Ragnarok itself, whilst Aquaman is about Arthur Curry being forced to reconnect with his Atlantean heritage, and it's explicitly a quest for him to clear Atlantis from a corrupt, purist ruler who wants to hurt the surface world because of how the humans have been mistreating the seas. Aquaman is very much its own thing, and it doesn't need any such comparisons. And I bet, it will stomp past Ragnarok at the box office overall. <br><br>the main theme is quite similar to Jackman's Kingsman ( the first three note)<br><br>andd..<br><br>I assume it is the studio's mandate for RGW to go (and adapt..or imitate?) Mothersbaugh's Ragnarok with its 80s synth. <br><br>----<br><br>Having seen the movie, i understand why RGW chose the 80s style, because basically, Aquaman is Thor Ragnarok underwater. <br>Dont get me wrong, the visual spectacle is amazing and colorful ( in a good way), some of the cinematography is downright breathtaking,but i really did have a hardtime enjoying this movie in its fullness beacuse the blatant Ragnarok ripping-off here and there.., and dont get me started on the story...<br>Really, the visual did the heavy lifting in this movie ( and it succeeded in overcoming the weak storyline)Um, is there a freaking Pitbull remix of Africa on here? What the heck?
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Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 0 || 2018-10-03 14:53:15
Congratulations to mr. Zimmer for his Order of Merit medal!

Anonymous reply Replies: 4 || 2018-09-26 09:15:36
Sorry, I don't buy that story about his return to the genre. His words are stuff you say in front of a camera to look good and avoid complications. Everyone dreams of working on (and watching/enjoying) a project with good story, cast, and everything. It is just that these things are monumentally rare to happen these days. And when they do happen they usually come from small teams who cannot afford the likes of Hans Zimmer in the first place. Whatever is behind his return, I am sure it is not story or director. it's largely about expanding influence, and a good dose of financial incentives.

On a different note, I recall the WW motif was being attributed to Tina Guo in the past, but now Hans Zimmer is claiming it for himself. It does not matter who made it happen but I am curious, what was going about with Guo and this motif in the past, was it an attempt to overstate her contribution in order to get her recognized and hired - i.e. the things HZ usually does for friends at the beginning of their solo film composer careers?


Knight2018-09-26 12:07:50
All Tina Guo did in relation to the WW theme is performed it. Hans was the one that created and wrote it.


Mephariel2018-09-26 18:29:28
I am not sure why it is so hard to believe that story or director matters. They matter to virtually every top name composers because having good story and directors will increase reputation and legacy. Composers have repeatedly turn down projects in a franchise when their collaborating directors did not return. It is not just a Hans Zimmer thing.

Also, Zimmer has done plenty of small films like Freeheld for example. He is clearly looking for legacy and I agree about expanding influence. But I am not sure how much financial incentives matter at this point. His net worth is like close to $100 million.

As for Wonder Woman, I think Zimmer always say they worked together on the theme. I don't think he ever said Tina Guo composed the entire thing.


Ds2018-09-26 19:07:57
He composed it, she played it. But performers can leave their mark on the music, and I'm sure Guo put a lot of her personality in her performance. So this theme as we know it could be attributed to both. That's why Zimmer said he "couldn't get it right" until he brought Tina in. But on paper it's still a HZ track.


Anonymous2018-09-27 09:51:46
@Mephariel

What I meant to in the early paragraph was that every composer wishes to work on a project with good story. But good scripts and stories are rare these days.

Like I was trying to say, when good stories do happen, they occasionally appear in films and projects helmed by a crew of lesser-known or unknown talents. (comes naturally really as they don't have nervous producers to appease.) But then again those running these projects of that scope know they cannot get someone like Hans Zimmer on board so that never happens. Cases like Freeheld are too rare to be considered a norm.

Regarding financial incentives, I am sure it is present there in full force. He doesn't need it of course, and he is not taking several projects every year. But he sure doesn't look like he is taking anything that does not have a healthy paycheck guaranteed. I do not believe making music for FIFA, national geographic, volvo, netflix and alike can be considered small and humble.

Zack Snyder reply Replies: 0 || 2018-09-24 15:07:40
He wants to compose for movie with good story.. retirement from superhero genre is just to chase Away justice league executives.. by the way how is HZ and JXL still buddies?

Poor Zack snyder reply Replies: 0 || 2018-09-24 15:04:43
I think he just wanna compose movie with good story.. now we know why he said he is retiring from superhero genre

fanuelalex reply Replies: 1 || 2018-09-22 08:19:28
so glad to see HZ back to the superhero genre


Edmund Meinerts2018-09-23 12:58:47
yeah I feel like it's been days, weeks even since the last one

nvictor reply Replies: 0 || 2018-09-21 17:45:44
so great to watch this new interview. it confirmed how i felt about wonder woman and widows. it is the right thing to do.

Hans's comment on losing his voice took me by surprise though. dunkirk touched on a few techniques i wanted to see explored more. i know other composers did it before. but i think dunkirk did a better job at putting those elements together... hopefully there is be a similar movie in the near future : )

Antos7 reply Replies: 5 || 2018-09-20 23:08:52
Balfe is doing Michael Bays next movie !!! What’s happened with Jablonsky?


Scorefan2018-09-21 02:33:25
Maybe, Bay thinks Balfe is better than Jablonsky in terms of military tones and music.


Mike2018-09-21 02:59:20
Huh. I like Jablosnky, but I really liked the 13 Hours score, so it's hard for me to complain.


ThePhantasm2018-09-21 03:08:37
Steve is just trying to spend a little time with his family i think, he's not as busy as he used to be but i think it's cause he chooses that. Film Composing is an insanely time consuming job. I like Balfe a lot though.


MikeM2018-09-21 14:35:08
Balfe has constantly been brought in on Transformers movies , so great to see him working with Bay properly


Bayhem2018-09-21 15:24:39
Steve is clearly spending time with his family. He had a second child just a few months ago. I think he will eventually be back on the Bay Train.

And Lorne is the right choice for a "replacement". He's been involved in one way or another with the Bay movies for more than 10 years now. He's certainly not a surprising choice and I'm looking forward to the score. It's a movie that takes place all over the world, so I have big expectations for the music.

isildur reply Replies: 0 || 2018-09-21 15:15:57
Hans says he worked so hard to get WW1 to Rupert, but didn't he also recommend that they try a female composer?

José Damián reply Replies: 0 || 2018-09-20 22:52:19
Review widows: It's also scored by Hans Zimmer, which means it is immediately in the running for best score of the year...

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 7 || 2018-09-18 20:45:25
Little HZ interview about a few things...


Dimitris Krommidas2018-09-18 20:58:51
Thanks.


Knight2018-09-19 12:31:50
Hybrid, all over the site there are no longer music extracts to listen to. For me at least, is it a universal thing?


Mike2018-09-19 17:04:02
@Knight, it's not just you.


Hybrid Soldier2018-09-19 19:54:22
Audio is down unfortunately.

Legal reasons... Nothing to do with Hans or any composer who have always been very supportive.

Maybe it'll return, maybe not...


Knight2018-09-19 20:30:08
Article 13?


Hybrid Soldier2018-09-19 20:37:28
Nope.


Even if it wouldn't have helped, I guess ! lol


Knight2018-09-19 20:40:43
Hope it gets fixed, I love listening to the suites you add to scores here.

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