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The track is unreleased yeah, part of the movie's climax<br>chronologically it goes between Devils Anus and 'Asgard is a People'The Sierra Leone track Andrew K posted (link below)...I almost wonder if that's how 2010s Zimmer would redo The Lion King. More bass, more minimalist, more Interstellar...but still with an African flare.Horner and many others with Star Trek is a good example too.Huh. Well, the music Andrew posted is nice."Don't believe everything you hear, son."
what do you gyus think about this? <br><br>www . youtube.com/watch?v=9riigqWjovMHallo,<br><br>Der 'Gladiator' ist schon langsam in die Jahre gekommen, die Musik ist aber nicht šlter geworden. Genial.<br><br>GruŖ  <br><br>Not bad score.<br><br>But I prefer the other oneIsnít that ironic that DC is abandoning the continuity while Marvel is finally embracing it?<br><br>For any electronic fans out there, this score is definitely a must listen, there are some badass 80ís beats (with a dash of Tron legacy) in here.I'm so mad at DC right now I'd rather promote Marvel !! lol<br><br><br>Well jokes aside I add cause Andrew worked on it. And btw he posted another 5 min cue on his Soundcloud, dunno if it's unreleased, there'll better specialists of that score than me !
Yeah, I happen to have seen the film and the score is not really "coherent", it's more like many different cues put together...Okay, thanks for clearing that up. The Tracks released were kind of interesting, a kind of mix of soundsAnyone else think Hans knew about all the studio meddling during pre-production, the rewrites etc and walked away ? I mean, when I heard Elfman's score I thought it was generic and wouldn't fit the movie. Then I watched the movie and it fits well. The movie is just as bland as the music in the background.I don't have to ask, that movie was a failure that barely got distributed... No one had any interest in releasing this score...Hybrid, did you ever ask Hans why this score wasn't released?
After watching the movie, I just have to say it was okay. It had some great moments but for me it had also many problems. And one of them was the music. For most of the part it wasn't even noticeable and when it was, it was like random background music with no really emotion or heart.<br><br>BvS and MoS movies can be criticized for some things but the score is not one of them. The movie gave the movie a strong and powerful side, as well as a heart and emotion into it. In this movie there were so many moments that needed different score. <br>***SPOILERS***<br>Superman's resurrection needed the MoS in full epic form. Wonder Woman at the bank at the beggining needed her theme with the electric cello in full power.<br>The Batman theme at the beginning when he is after that Parademon.<br>We should have a really memorable theme for the whole Justice League as well as for each individual member.<br>The scenes with Clark and Lois at the house in Kansas and when his mother sees him, this needed the piano theme from This Is Clark kent or something like that.<br>And that final moments with Superman opening his shirt showing the Superman logo and then flying to the sky, we needed something like "What Are You Going To Do When You're Not Saving The World?" or "Flight" and not that unmemorable music we got.<br><br>I really hope that the petition of the Extended Cut of the movie made by Zack with Junkie's music gets to be released someday, but for now, I'm disappointed.Sounds fun!!<br>Thanks for the linkAny ideas on the Chronological Order of the Tracks?<br>I made a start here...<br><br><br>Logos<br>Batman On The Roof<br>Everybody Knows - Titles<br>Wonder Woman Rescue<br><br>...<br>Icky Thump<br>Aquaman In Atlantis<br>...<br>1m1a Krypton (from Man Of Steel)<br>Spark Of The Flash<br>Friends And Foes<br>...<br>Come Together - Credits<br>Anti-Hero Theme - CreditsNo, they are the full score cues- as presented in the film. The presentation of the final three tracks on the first disc are edited down for timing.* I posted this at filmtracks and wanted to share it here as well. <br><br>Danny Elfman's comments are very disrespectful and so disappointing for a creative person to hear, especially for composers. Nostalgia is a big problem with Hollywood and it's a simple Jedi mind trick. It's slightly different, but the same meal over and over with different seasoning. Imagine if James Horner didn't get to write the score he wanted for Spider-Man? Or Zimmer had to use Elfmans Batman theme for the DK triliolgy or BvS? Or Shirley Walkers incredible Batman theme for Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. Or Giacchino just used the original star trek theme, or the original Star Wars themes for Rogue One and created nothing new at all? How boring and uninspiring for the composers not being able to challenge themselves to create new original music.<br><br>Whether you like these scores or not isn't important, the pursuit to create something new is what drives a creative person and gives us freedom in choosing something to enjoy and not enjoy. I love the original Batman theme by Elfman but I love it in the Burton films. I love Zimmer scores for both the DK trilogy and BvS. I am happy I can enjoy both types of scores and films but there are those who don't and that's a great thing because that means we are not all the same and that brings variety of opinion and taste which creates real conversation and most importantly gives an identity to a project.<br><br>It's easy to go back to original ideas, but I respect the creators who actually take the risk and want to try and do something new. If Danny Elfman stands by his words he should have just used the original Batman theme from the Tv Show and film or the original Spider-Man theme. Oops he didn't and we got a whole new Batman theme and Spider-man theme which most of us love. Thank god he didn't stick to using the original themes. The Batman reboots and superman and Spider-man reboots are completely different takes on the characters and that's why they deserve their own new themes and soundscapes. The only time I think an original theme from a film should be used in a new film with the same characters is if it's actually a sequel or prequel connected to that actual original film. Re-boots should always have new original music.<br><br>In the end the comments from Elfman are simply stupid and uninspiring and it's definitely a hidden ego coming through I never new he had which is a shame. I remember what Zimmer said about Danny Elfman's Batman theme being a bit jolly, but that's not attacking Elfman at all, it's how he felt and heard the music and felt that that style wouldn't fit in the new batman films ect.. I have always found the original Batman theme a bit on the jolly side too and I love it because it nails Burton's take on the character and world. That theme is for Keaton's Batman, no one else's.<br><br>One final point, if we keep wanting to just revisit the past and hear and see the same thing over and over and not be challenged with new ideas, what a damn uninspiring and boring world of creativity we will live in.<br><br>All the best to you all!<br><br>
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  Thor - Ragnarok2017-11-20 09:26:37
Medigo
The track is unreleased yeah, part of the movie's climax
chronologically it goes between Devils Anus and 'Asgard is a People'
  The Boss Baby2017-11-20 01:49:04
Mike (OTM)
The Sierra Leone track Andrew K posted (link below)...I almost wonder if that's how 2010s Zimmer would redo The Lion King. More bass, more minimalist, more Interstellar...but still with an African flare.
  Justice League2017-11-19 23:36:38
James
Horner and many others with Star Trek is a good example too.
  The Boss Baby2017-11-19 23:04:16
Mike (OTM)
Huh. Well, the music Andrew posted is nice.
  Justice League2017-11-19 20:39:49
Ahmad
"Don't believe everything you hear, son."
  Justice League2017-11-19 17:22:35
scarecrow9
what do you gyus think about this?

www . youtube.com/watch?v=9riigqWjovM
  Feedback2017-11-19 16:19:34
Andrzej Nieduzak
Hallo,

Der 'Gladiator' ist schon langsam in die Jahre gekommen, die Musik ist aber nicht šlter geworden. Genial.

GruŖ

  Thor - Ragnarok2017-11-19 15:25:09
MrZimmerFan
Not bad score.

But I prefer the other one
  Thor - Ragnarok2017-11-19 15:22:43
mpolonest123
Isnít that ironic that DC is abandoning the continuity while Marvel is finally embracing it?

For any electronic fans out there, this score is definitely a must listen, there are some badass 80ís beats (with a dash of Tron legacy) in here.
  Thor - Ragnarok2017-11-19 14:03:05
Hybrid Soldier
I'm so mad at DC right now I'd rather promote Marvel !! lol


Well jokes aside I add cause Andrew worked on it. And btw he posted another 5 min cue on his Soundcloud, dunno if it's unreleased, there'll better specialists of that score than me !
  The Boss Baby2017-11-19 13:49:07
Hybrid Soldier
Yeah, I happen to have seen the film and the score is not really "coherent", it's more like many different cues put together...
  The Boss Baby2017-11-19 13:43:44
Hal
Okay, thanks for clearing that up. The Tracks released were kind of interesting, a kind of mix of sounds
  Justice League2017-11-19 13:28:03
Kal
Anyone else think Hans knew about all the studio meddling during pre-production, the rewrites etc and walked away ? I mean, when I heard Elfman's score I thought it was generic and wouldn't fit the movie. Then I watched the movie and it fits well. The movie is just as bland as the music in the background.
  The Boss Baby2017-11-19 13:25:47
Hybrid Soldier
I don't have to ask, that movie was a failure that barely got distributed... No one had any interest in releasing this score...
  The Boss Baby2017-11-19 13:03:31
Hal
Hybrid, did you ever ask Hans why this score wasn't released?
  Justice League2017-11-19 10:56:42
JBSO99
After watching the movie, I just have to say it was okay. It had some great moments but for me it had also many problems. And one of them was the music. For most of the part it wasn't even noticeable and when it was, it was like random background music with no really emotion or heart.

BvS and MoS movies can be criticized for some things but the score is not one of them. The movie gave the movie a strong and powerful side, as well as a heart and emotion into it. In this movie there were so many moments that needed different score.
***SPOILERS***
Superman's resurrection needed the MoS in full epic form. Wonder Woman at the bank at the beggining needed her theme with the electric cello in full power.
The Batman theme at the beginning when he is after that Parademon.
We should have a really memorable theme for the whole Justice League as well as for each individual member.
The scenes with Clark and Lois at the house in Kansas and when his mother sees him, this needed the piano theme from This Is Clark kent or something like that.
And that final moments with Superman opening his shirt showing the Superman logo and then flying to the sky, we needed something like "What Are You Going To Do When You're Not Saving The World?" or "Flight" and not that unmemorable music we got.

I really hope that the petition of the Extended Cut of the movie made by Zack with Junkie's music gets to be released someday, but for now, I'm disappointed.
  SKY HUNTER (BEHIND THE SCENE)2017-11-19 08:11:02
Dudu
Sounds fun!!
Thanks for the link
  Justice League2017-11-19 07:10:44
ThomasFernandoMusic
Any ideas on the Chronological Order of the Tracks?
I made a start here...


Logos
Batman On The Roof
Everybody Knows - Titles
Wonder Woman Rescue

...
Icky Thump
Aquaman In Atlantis
...
1m1a Krypton (from Man Of Steel)
Spark Of The Flash
Friends And Foes
...
Come Together - Credits
Anti-Hero Theme - Credits
  Justice League2017-11-19 07:03:03
ThomasFernandoMusic
No, they are the full score cues- as presented in the film. The presentation of the final three tracks on the first disc are edited down for timing.
  Justice League2017-11-19 06:21:47
Meow
* I posted this at filmtracks and wanted to share it here as well.

Danny Elfman's comments are very disrespectful and so disappointing for a creative person to hear, especially for composers. Nostalgia is a big problem with Hollywood and it's a simple Jedi mind trick. It's slightly different, but the same meal over and over with different seasoning. Imagine if James Horner didn't get to write the score he wanted for Spider-Man? Or Zimmer had to use Elfmans Batman theme for the DK triliolgy or BvS? Or Shirley Walkers incredible Batman theme for Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. Or Giacchino just used the original star trek theme, or the original Star Wars themes for Rogue One and created nothing new at all? How boring and uninspiring for the composers not being able to challenge themselves to create new original music.

Whether you like these scores or not isn't important, the pursuit to create something new is what drives a creative person and gives us freedom in choosing something to enjoy and not enjoy. I love the original Batman theme by Elfman but I love it in the Burton films. I love Zimmer scores for both the DK trilogy and BvS. I am happy I can enjoy both types of scores and films but there are those who don't and that's a great thing because that means we are not all the same and that brings variety of opinion and taste which creates real conversation and most importantly gives an identity to a project.

It's easy to go back to original ideas, but I respect the creators who actually take the risk and want to try and do something new. If Danny Elfman stands by his words he should have just used the original Batman theme from the Tv Show and film or the original Spider-Man theme. Oops he didn't and we got a whole new Batman theme and Spider-man theme which most of us love. Thank god he didn't stick to using the original themes. The Batman reboots and superman and Spider-man reboots are completely different takes on the characters and that's why they deserve their own new themes and soundscapes. The only time I think an original theme from a film should be used in a new film with the same characters is if it's actually a sequel or prequel connected to that actual original film. Re-boots should always have new original music.

In the end the comments from Elfman are simply stupid and uninspiring and it's definitely a hidden ego coming through I never new he had which is a shame. I remember what Zimmer said about Danny Elfman's Batman theme being a bit jolly, but that's not attacking Elfman at all, it's how he felt and heard the music and felt that that style wouldn't fit in the new batman films ect.. I have always found the original Batman theme a bit on the jolly side too and I love it because it nails Burton's take on the character and world. That theme is for Keaton's Batman, no one else's.

One final point, if we keep wanting to just revisit the past and hear and see the same thing over and over and not be challenged with new ideas, what a damn uninspiring and boring world of creativity we will live in.

All the best to you all!

  Justice League2017-11-19 05:31:58
Meta
so...based on what junkie says here, Elfman is basically just rehashing old shit, as well as other people's old shit....Unless you want to say he's taking his Batman theme into a whole different direction that he didn't really have a desire to do before...until now....

In that case, "whatever" is all I have to say.
  The Boss Baby2017-11-19 02:46:45
...
Nice stuff! I still can't believe this score hasn't gotten a release.
  Transformers - The Last Knight2017-11-19 00:29:19
superultramegaa
That's unfortunate. With this score, I think it's obvious that the majority is Jablonsky, as it has a ton of elements from scores he's composed exclusively, but it would still be nice to know who did what, especially with the first and second films. Not sure why there's rarely any proper additional music credits for a lot of the RCP guys, especially considering Zimmer's credits are almost always complete.

However that cuesheet of the extended score is very interesting. Hopefully if it leaks, all those cues remain there.
  Justice League2017-11-19 00:12:59
...
Damn that sounds different from Elfman's comments
  Justice League2017-11-18 23:19:57
Hybrid Soldier
The funny thing is an interview he gave 1 months before being replaced... Saying pretty much the opposite of Elfman !

"Itís a massive undertaking. And I canít say anything about Justice League specifically, but Iíll tell you this, and this was exactly the same experience that Hans and I had when we did work together on Man of Steel and Batman v Superman: Itís like when you see a movie like that, these iconic superhero movies, some of them have a 60 to 80 year legacy, multiple composers had a go at their themes, multiple filmmakers did their version of these charactersóitís very scary. You watch a movie and itís like, ďHoly shit, now I have to come up with something.Ē Youíve got sweaty hands and youíre nervous, and you talk about it over and over againóand I have exactly that relationship with Zack Snyderóand then Zack said, ĒThereís only one thing you can do, and that is embrace this character as if itís your own, keep it close to your musical soul, and just do whatever you feel is the right thing to do for this character.Ē Thatís the only thing we can do. Thatís what all these great directors did back in the day, and thatís what all these great composers did back in the day. It makes no sense for me to do extensive quoting of Hansí score of the really amazing Batmans. It makes no sense for me to quote Superman from John Williams. Because all fantastic composers, they all did the same thing, they did something that was close to their heart, and I have to do exactly the same thing on this movie. You know this is Movie Number 4 that Iím doing with Zack, so you build a friendship and itís built on trust and loyalty. You know how to challenge each other, you know what to expect on the other side, and itís this really open, amazing dialogue about where to take this franchise."
  Justice League2017-11-18 22:54:16
...
I can confirm that he had already worked on it quite a bit, because he said so in one of his Studio Time episodes.
  Justice League2017-11-18 22:03:38
...
I wouldnít be surprised if he wrote another long sketchbook for it...
  Justice League2017-11-18 21:47:35
Hybrid Soldier
I honestly have no idea... But I can't believe back in June when he left he hadn't done a bunch of the score already...
  Transformers - The Last Knight2017-11-18 21:40:48
Hybrid Soldier
The thing is with Jablonsky scores composers rarely get cuesheet credits, so you can't really draw conclusions out of it. Here's a small part of the cuesheet :

QUINTESSA PT 1
QUINTESSA PT 2
QUINTESSA PT 3 OPTIMUS REDEMPTION
KNIGHTED
WE HAVE TO GO ZERO GRAVITY

OPENING BATTLE
MERLIN
MERLIN GETS THE STAFF - BATTLE WON
TROUBLED TIMES
CADE DRIVING - AMULET
WE HUNT - DECEPTICONS HUNT
KEEP A SECRET - VIV ARRIVES CASTLE FOLGEN
WITWICCANS
ROUNDTABLE ORGAN SOURCE
COGMAN CHOIR
STAFF
BETTER GET CRACKING
PLANETARY VAMPIRISM
TOO OLD
SUBMARINE
TWO MOONS
MERLIN'S TOMB
SPACE STATION
CLAIM THE STAFF
SHIP RISE
YOUR VOICE
SOLDIERS TAKE POSITION - BURTON DIES
FALL AND GRAB
ENDING
  Transformers - The Last Knight2017-11-18 21:29:55
Anonymous
rumor has it Lorne Balfe did this score

I guess if we do not get any credits then that proves it
  Transformers - The Last Knight2017-11-18 20:44:58
superultramegaa
Any chance of proper artist credits for this score?
  Justice League2017-11-18 20:35:21
...
@Hybrid

Did Tom actually record anything for the film or did he just do demos?
  Blade Runner 20492017-11-18 19:07:16
Ahmad
It's the same 24 tracks divided on two CDs. I'm truly hoping for a nice numbered digipak that separates the limited editions from the regular release otherwise it would be quite a crappy move from the record label.

  Justice League2017-11-18 18:44:23
Mortifer V.
"Joss said, ĎLetís do it [Batmanís theme] on the nose. Fans love this kind of stuff.í" Why do you have to ruin everything, Joss?
  Justice League2017-11-18 18:39:14
Mortifer V.
This film is atrocious. Suicide Squad was a mess but that film was forgivable. What WB decided to with JL is embarrassing, to say the least. Forcing Zack to change the tone and add forced childish humor and quips, demanding a less than 2-hour runtime, extensive reshoots with Whedon in charge... wtf were they thinking?

It's interesting to note that Zack hasn't even seen this abomination yet.
  The Boss Baby2017-11-18 18:35:40
Felix
Andrew loaded some cues to the movie "The Last Face" up on his soundcloud page, go & check it :)

soundcloud.com/andrewkawczynski/sets/the-last-face
  Blade Runner 20492017-11-18 18:28:18
MaxPotcats
Nice!
What about the 2nd CD?
  Justice League2017-11-18 18:13:49
Ahmad
Watched this movie yesterday and it didn't make the score any better. It's not the worst thing I've ever heard but after what we got with MoS & BvS it's just disappointing. There's so much missed opportunities. Both the movie and the score had so much potential but it's just flat.

The problem isn't just Elfman or Whedon, it's WB! They wanted the change in direction and that's really sad.
  Justice League2017-11-18 17:54:38
isildur
The movie itself is bad on so many levels and adding to that in many scenes I was shaking my head as I was hearing a completely different score in my mind, but there it was, something which took me out of the movie. Disappointed.

Do you think Whedon would've convinced the producers to replace the composer(s) if Hans was scoring this along with Junkie? I can't imagine what the uproar it would've created.
  Justice League2017-11-18 16:51:58
Hybrid Soldier
Yes they did.

That Phantom Stache is in 90% of the Cavill shots...


Warner/DC died and chose Whedon to nail the coffin...


I hope like Superman 2, that one day, we'll get the "Donner's Cut" of this movie as it was supposed to be, because I think it was almost finished (even the score I'm sure Tom had written a good part of it).
  Justice League2017-11-18 16:45:09
isildur
Came back from watching the movie and I couldn't agree more about what @Ds said. Adding to the scenes you mentioned I really felt instead of the intro song they should have played a variation Clark's piano theme it would've been so perfect as that whole sequence depicts a direct consequence of Clark/Superman's death and the loss everyone feels.

**SPOILERS**
And how fucking epic it would've been if MoS theme was played in all it's glory when he comes to their aid and punches Steppenwolf in the face.

What a wasted opportunity and did they reshoot all Cavill's scenes? His face looked so weird in almost all the shots with the CGI removed moustache.
  Justice League2017-11-18 16:42:57
Anonymous
And if the critics put better scores to Marvel movies over DC movies, my opinion is they lost objectivity. the same kind with the scores.
The score is an essential part of the film, it's a character and it's important.
And the scores of DC have and identity.
  Justice League2017-11-18 16:36:18
mpolonest123
Normally Iím not one for petitions but I think releasing an alternate version with JXLís score and whatever other changes they could make.

Danny Elfmanís score has really been warming up to me the more I listen to it (on its own I donít think itís really that bad) but the lack of thematic continuity is definitely a sore spot. If Junkie could get a chance to rescore it, that would be a fair shake for Snyder and fans of Zimmerís work.
  Justice League2017-11-18 16:35:56
Anonymous
After i finally saw the film, well in my opinion the film is incredibly. Watching those characters in a film is just like boy's dream.
I have watched every movie from Marvel and DC Cimenatic Universe, and i love both lines of cmics and for me, the first line of Marvel movies was the best in terms of narration. Iron man 1, the incredible hulk, thor 1, Captain america the first avenger were extraordinary movies. By now, i think Marvel/Disney go to the way of jokes to make the rest of the movies and i think this lost the interest in the movies, except with Captain America the winter soldier, Ant-man and captain merica civil war. Thor 3 is good, but for example Spiderman Homecoming was less good than Thor 3 but in sometimes i feel i am watching the same kind of movie. It's the same with the score, The incredible hulk, for me, is the best score for the Marvel series along with The winter soldier. One thing surprise me, "critics" put better scores for all the marvel movies except TV shows, and DC movies all have bad scores except wonder woman. And for me i enjoyed more the DC movies over Marvel movies. Man of steel and batman v superman were phenomenal movies and better than marvel movies. It's my opinion and Justice League is better than The first avengers. The tone of DC movies it's more like the comics and more dark, more serious. Maybe that's why i like them.
The same thing with the scores, i think The theme Arcade is the new superman theme. The themes for Batman (Elfman) and Superman (Maestro Williams) are iconic. But for the new kind of movies (The Dark Knight trilogy) the score Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard made for the films were awesome. If you put old score (Elfman Batman) to nolan's films well the films lost their identity. DC producers take some risks to put the films into darkness and serious mode and it worked, but also the movies need to win a lot of money, that's why they changed the tone of the film to some king of marvel-ite tone. I hope the don't go to that way to replace the tone of DC of jokes and lighter action like Marvel.
  Justice League2017-11-18 16:18:51
...
Yeah it was more of a Wheedon film. However I enjoyed the movie even though it was flawed. The score was horrible though.
  Justice League2017-11-18 16:03:57
Hybrid Soldier
Snyder did too, actually, admitting has hasn't seen the finished movie...

#BringZackBack

#BringJXLBack
  Justice League2017-11-18 16:03:09
Hybrid Soldier
Funny I was laughed at when I said that film was 70% Joss Whedon, and Elfman just confirmed what I said ! lol
  Justice League2017-11-18 15:26:55
...
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/justice-league -danny-elfman-hates-reboots-scrap-classic-themes-1059632

What an arrogant guy
  Justice League2017-11-18 15:25:11
...
Elfman just dropped a few more offensive comments about composers regarding batman and spiderman
  SKY HUNTER (BEHIND THE SCENE)2017-11-18 11:24:22
Hybrid Soldier
Some Sky Hunter extracts in here !

I hope the OST will actually come out, will let you know when I get any info !
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