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yeah that's just one though. We'll see!! no info on a release date, on lornes twitter it says it's coming out very soon."Shatterdome Attacked", at least we'll get one 7-minute action cue...<br><br>Also. TRACKLIST YOU GET DID WHERE???An agent isn't the problem. Powell is choosing to work less, and only on certain types of movies.Damn the tracks are really short, i was hoping for some long epic music. Hopefully he'll deliver on the epic (I'm sure he will)Giacchino has some points about Powell because of the variety of his work. The man works on several beloved franchises through the pubic and every year makes some score for Pixar. From Powell, so far we've only had Bourne and the animated films from Dreamworks and Blue Sky. That's the only problem with him. The lack of a good agent to get projects beyond the territory conquered by him in the mid-00's.
where got you did tracklist have been?Where did you get the tracklist ???????Where you get the tracklist?<br><br>;)Ian<br>I would rather choose Giacchino over Powell any day.<br>Don't get me wrong, Powell is great but always found Giacchino's Scores much more memorable.<br>The only score made by Powell that i keep listening is Bourne's Supremacy.Ian<br>I would rather choose Giacchino over Powell any day.<br>Don't get me wrong, Powell is great but always found Giacchino's Scores much more memorable.<br>The only score made by Powell that i keep listening is Bourne's Supremacy.
And @Ian, re: talent of assistants, to add to your point... Kick It was, according to Hybrid, Hansí theme turned into a suite by Balfe...so even there, with his interesting stuff, the nucleus of it is still Zimmer. If youíre talking about Training from Begins for Djawadi, ditto there. Hans said that was the first theme he (Hans) wrote for the movie. So in both cases, these guys kinda sound best when expanding on Hansí ideas.His KPM and Extreme library tracks are excellentOh I know! I'd say I've heard maybe 20 scores or so by him, so not totally useless, but he's definitely someone I still need to explore more.It would be good to see Kawczynski doing more.Chappie was excellentIan - I prefer Rogue One over Jurassic World. The movie and the score.<br><br>Edmund - You have missing a lot of great stuff by Goldsmith! :D
Probably the only reason Goldsmith isn't in my top 3 is I haven't heard enough of his music. :pWallfisch is a good composer indeed, but BR2049 (and Dunkirk) were absolutely the wrong place for him. He's not a synth guy. He was originally a protege of Dario Marianelli, for heaven's sake - he's got a far more classical/orchestral sensibility. A score like Cure for Wellness is a much better fit for him. I'm not sure why Hans thought it was best to bring him of all people in on BR2049 when the more electronically-inclined Mazzaro/Kawczynski duo would have made more sense for a Blade Runner score (I say this based mostly on Chappie).Ian - no one is trying to compare Balfe to Zimmer !Firstly there is a 20 year age gap!!!Zimmer will always be the best in my eyes but doesnít harm saying someone else can be good <br><br>Still confused why this conversation is still troubling some.I remember saying last year that I thought Lego Batman was one of the best animation scores that year and it caused some to have heart attacks.there are a hand full of people that donít think he is either good or should be working .... we get !!!! <br><br><br><br>Edmund - given the rationality you've displayed in your comments, I'm disappointed Goldsmith isn't in your top three. ;)<br><br>In all seriousness, I'd put money on Powell fucking nailing the integration of Williams's theme. While Giacchino did a solid job on Jurassic World and Rogue One (I tend to think my assessment of the latter is a bit more positive than most), frankly I just think Powell is a far better composer - a genuine A-level guy, whereas Giacchino is moreso very competent without that spark of pure talent seen in Williams, Goldsmith, Elfman, Zimmer etcI think it's worth noting that Zimmer's popularity at this point is largely under his direct control - meaning that if he were to decide to stop touring, go back to writing full-time, and return to his 'epic' thematic style, I think we'd see a surge in his popularity of the sort we saw from Batman Begins through til Interstellar. However, I just don't think he's interested, which is totally his right.<br><br>I certainly agree that the RCP proteges at this point are, frankly, shit compared to how they used to be. I mean, even a guy like Steve Mazzaro (who I genuinely like and who wrote some of the coolest cues in Chappie, and basically co-wrote BvS - a score I actually like) just utterly pales in comparison to the Powell era.<br><br>Actually, I have to take that back a bit; Wallfisch is a very, very talented guy, honestly so much better than someone like Junkie that I weirdly tend to forget he's under the RCP roof now.
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Mark MancinaDon HarperJohn Van TongerenChristopher Ward
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Speed 2 - Cruise Control
Label: La-La Land Records
Length: 70'24
HZimmer.com rating:        5/5
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  1. Twentieth Century Fox Fanfare - Motorcycle Chase (4:18)
    Mark Mancina
  2. Alex And Annie - Caribbean Cruise (4:42)
    Mark Mancina
  3. Engine Room (5:02)
    Mark Mancina, John Van Tongeren
  4. Overboard (8:40)
    Mark Mancina, Don Harper, John Van Tongeren
  5. Last Lifeboat (7:01)
    Mark Mancina, Don Harper
  6. Goodbye, Alex (4:06)
    Mark Mancina, Christopher Ward
  7. Reunion (2:43)
    Mark Mancina, Christopher Ward
  8. Tanker Turn (5:02)
    Mark Mancina, John Van Tongeren
  9. Geiger Grabs Annie (1:48)
    Mark Mancina, John Van Tongeren
  10. Escape (7:31)
    Mark Mancina
  11. The Harbor (7:16)
    Mark Mancina, Don Harper
  12. Final Chase (7:23)
    Mark Mancina, Don Harper
  13. Underwater Rescue (1:46)
    Mark Mancina
  14. Cruising (2:58)
    Mark Mancina
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Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 1 || 2012-02-03 12:51:23
A question: If Christopher Ward and Don Harper are only credited as arranger and orchestrator, does that mean they didn't actually compose the cues they are credited on?


Dawn2012-02-04 14:49:14
That means they helped in some ways and at some point during the creation of those cues.

There is no way to know if they did 1% or 100% of the cues they worked on.

Aggelos reply Replies: 0 || 2011-12-04 16:21:52
This is a great score - 5/5! Too bad the La-La Land release didn't feature some extra music/cues from the Speed 2 promo....
Despite that, it's a freaking awesome release for all the Mark Mancina (and action score) fans out there!! Grab it while it lasts!


Jason LeBlanc did a quick comparison to the composer promo, and this is what he came up with :
01 Main Title (1:51) = 01 Twentieth Century Fox Fanfare / Motorcycle Chase (0:00-1:47) (with clean ending)
02 Annie & Alex (2:16) = 02 Alex and Annie (0:00-2:12) (with clean ending)
03 Seabourn Legend (2:54) = NOT ON LA LA LAND (Similar to 14 Cruising (2:58))
04 Geiger (3:46) = 03 Engine Room (0:00-3:20) then the tick tock percussion isolated on the composer promo plays under the next cue on the LLL
05 Eindhoven Lion (0:35) = NOT ON LA LA LAND
06 Close The Hatch (1:31) = 06 Goodbye Alex (2:38-4:06) (with clean opening)
07 Lifeboat (1:54) = 07 Reunion (0:00-1:50) (with clean ending)
08 Bow Thrusters (2:21) = 08 Tanker Turn (0:00-2:18) (with clean ending)
09 Grenade (0:54) = NOT ON LA LA LAND
10 Evacuation (6:59) = 05 Last Lifeboat (7:01)
11 Why Don't We Stop (0:48) = 12 Final Chase (0:00-0:42) (with clean ending)
12 Crashing Into The Island (6:42) = 12 Final Chase (0:42-7:23) (with clean opening)
13 Golfclubs (1:43) = 13 Underwater Rescue (1:46)
14 Caribbean (0:53) = NOT ON LA LA LAND
15 Tuneman (3:53) = NOT ON LA LA LAND
16 That's Odd (1:18) = 04 Overboard (0:00-1:14) (with clean ending)

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-23 00:00:00
Engine Room => Mancina / Van Tongeren

Overboard => Mancina / Van Tongeren / Harper

Last Lifeboat => Mancina / Harper

Goodbye, Alex => Mancina / Ward

Reunion => Mancina / Ward

Tanker Run => Mancina / Van Tongeren

Geiger Grabs Annie => Mancina / Van Tongeren

The Harbor => Mancina / Harper

Final Chase => Mancina / Harper


To be extreeeeeeemely precise !! ;)

Mr Tweedy reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-23 00:00:00
I know only 2 cues credited John Van Tongeren (from his own website) :
"Auto-Pilot" which is heard in the last minute of "Engine Room", and "Man Overboard" which is the first minute of "Overboard".
But as "additional music credits" always is quiet tricky, I'm not sure these cues were fully arranged by JVT...

Btw, from what I read in the Speed 2 liner note, I think the promo cues "Seabourne Legend" and "We Not Gonna Stop" are some kind of themes suites (cues not meant to synchronize to pictures but developping primary ideas from the score) that the music editor incorporated several small bits into the movie.

Bondo reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-23 00:00:00
Is any of Van Tongeren's music contained in this release?

Iceboy reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-17 00:00:00
Mr Tweedy, I dont have this score nor have I seen the film. What tracks are different to the film music?

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-17 00:00:00
@Iceboy
Here we go :

"Caribbean Cruise" is different from the film version. You can find the film version on Speed 2 promo ("Welcome to the Seabourne Legend"). IMO, film/promo version is WAY better than Lala version !

"Engine Room" is a mix of two cues used in the movie, but the sound editor decided to butcher both those tracks in the movie.

There's a cue missing after "Engine Room", featured on the promo (sometimes called "We Not Gonna Stop" or "Evacuation"). But in the movie they butchered it, and you only hear a few seconds of it.

There's a cue missing after "Goodbye, Alex" (when Annie opens a door with a chainsaw). You can hear similar music during the middle of "Escape". Not featured on the promo.

There's a cue missing after "Tanker Turn", featured on the promo, but I don't find its name. It was called "Grenade" I think, but was used when Geiger is about to leave the ship.

Another cue missing, after "Escape", featured on the promo : "A Peaceful Village" or "Caribbean", depending on which version you got. In fact, this "Caribbean" cue replaces a few seconds of "The Harbor" in the movie (just before the action section begins).

The end of the film doesn't contain any unreleased material. They edited "Alex and Annie" and "Welcome to the Seabourne Legend" so the music matches the pictures. But these are not "unreleased cues".

"Cruising" has its beginning used earlier in the movie, but all the saxophone part was rejected. You hear something like 40 seconds of it.

Mr Tweedy reply Replies: 0 || 2011-02-17 00:00:00
@Iceboy

Oh well, I forgot to fill the name !
That was... me :)

Andy reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-15 00:00:00
Thank you very much Mark Mancina!

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-08 00:00:00
Sometimes I wonder if La-La's doing it on purpose...

Generally they misspell Names, like "Pouchet" instead of "Fouchet" in Bad Boys, "Gieger" instead of "Geiger" here...

Legal issues ? :P

Boss reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-08 00:00:00
My bad, it really has errors on back cover.

Cloud reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-08 00:00:00
What do you mean; "Carribean" with two Rs is written on the back cover. How is that not a spelling error? ;) Unless of course they corrected it on a newer batch.

Boss reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-08 00:00:00
There are no spelling errors on CD's tracks, only in this website.

Cloud reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-25 00:00:00
Wow, there's two spelling errors on the back of the case - "Carribean" instead of "Caribbean" and "Gieger" instead of "Geiger"... how the hell does that happen, is there no one to check the spelling before they friggin' print it 3000 times? Otherwise flawless album presentation by La-La Land though...

fabien reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-25 00:00:00
Probably the best from Mark. Rythmic, thematic and lyric at the same time with this touch of Zimmer 's sound sometimes.. awesome!

Prott reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-22 00:00:00
Yeah, fantastic score!

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-18 00:00:00
Great release, La La Land!!! :D

Mikel Siw (a fan from Spain) reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-18 00:00:00
Nice Album :__:

Mr Tweedy reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-18 00:00:00
Wonderful score. 13 years and we finally get it. Can't wait, really ! Mancina at his best.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-10 00:00:00
Caaaaaaaan't wait !!! :D

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