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ThxSeville, The Bait, Ambrose Welcomes Nyah, Chimera Myth, Beach Fight, Ambrose Dies.Can we stop? I agree with the other guy more in his points, but it's clear that this is gonna keep going nowhere if you're gonna be so overly defensive about something that you claim is merely subjective.But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br>======================<br><br><br>Why do Bay naysayers pretend that Bay only directs TF movies? It's very interesting...... Pretty much all complaints against Bay are connected to the TF movies.<br><br>Newsflash: Bay was a proven and very successful action filmmaker wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before TF1. <br><br>So no, "challenging the viewer" is not about Transformers. You chose to focus on these movies. Not me. I was actually reffering to Bay movies like The Island and especially Pain and Gain. <br><br>But I guess you like to talk only about Transformers.....Good for you. But that's not how a discussion works. <br><br><br>===================<br>Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact. I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here. It's psychotic.<br>===================<br><br><br>So let me get this straight: trying to be as objective as possible, in a non-threating way, quoting people who actually know what they're talking about and certainly not treating my opinion as fact, makes me......psychotic? <br><br>Wow! Just wow!<br><br>Next time, I'll just act like a complete jerk, insulting everyone and everything. For you, that is apparently the normal behavior.<br><br><br>======<br>Bad movies make money. Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.<br>=======<br><br>Reviews, RT scores, and crappy film blog "think pieces" are also not proof of quality. Also, a "bad" movie to you is the greatest movie for the guy walking next to you on the street. As Kevin Smith said: "Every movie is someone's favorite movie". <br><br>Let's try to keep that in mind.<br><br><br>============<br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br>============<br><br>Really?<br><br>Then what do you have to say about Pacific Rim 1. I present to you.......the pure numbers:<br><br>Budget: $200 million. And that doesn't include the marketing cost.<br>Worldwide gross: $411,002,906<br><br>So that flick, according to you, turned a profit.......but TLK - budget of also $200 million and with a worldwide gross of $605 million..........is a bomb?<br><br>Wow! Just.....wow!Yeah lol back then only Harold was confirmed.
Can you tell me a names of cues, that was been on Klaus website?Formality indeed. Complicated ! lol<br><br>You can bet Blake Neely didn't need anyone to "write" those 10 seconds !! lolI always found these credits to be a bit confusing. Klaus Badelt is credited on almost every cue, even when his themes don't appear and another additional composer is credited as well. I thought maybe it was just a formality that Zimmer and Badelt were credited everywhere (I mean, how much could they be involved on a cue like "Welcome to the Caribbean"?), but then "No real ship" and "Sword Fight Pt. 2" have no Badelt for some reason. Does someone know a bit more about this?well the composer confirmed he is working on it to be released very soon<br>"It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain."<br><br>I didn't think it was possible for a Bay fan of all people to be this insufferably pretentious.<br><br>I thought that was more Snyder fanboy territory.<br><br>But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br><br>Kudos, man.  Kudos.<br><br>You can hide behind however many fallacies you want.  If "Not to me" and "You do you" didn't give it away early on in this thread, I DIDN'T try to treat my opinions as fact.<br><br>But that doesn't mean I'm going to add a little "IMO" at the end of every goddamn sentence just to coddle you. <br><br>On the flip-side, consistently making appeals to authority and popularity, "B-b-but Spielberg said!", "B-b-but the Forbes poll said!" don't make you objective.<br><br>Y'know, it's funny.  When I listed off better blockbuster examples, you could've very easily just argued against them on the level of the films themselves, and everything would've been fine.<br><br>Sure, you would've just claimed you can't see the action at night sooner, which is rich when you praise the film series that puts the subjects of its action scenes OUT OF FOCUS every other shot, but hey, that's just honest opinions versus honest opinions.<br><br>But using two belated half-assed sequels from different, less talented directors that lost most of the appeal of the first movies, as some sorta litmus test for how well-liked the first movies were, is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard.  That's not objectivity, that's not even confusing correlation with causation, that's saying 1+2=4.<br><br>That's the real joke here.  Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact.  I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here.  It's psychotic.<br><br>Bad movies make money.  Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.  But if that's the kinda road you wanna go down, I guess movies like Avatar, The Force Awakens, or all the Avengers movies, are "objectively" better movies in every conceivable way than anything Bay has made in his entire career.  I mean, CLEARLY those films must have a bolder style and push more boundaries.<br><br>Why else would more people watch and rewatch them, right?<br><br>Reasonable causation is for those goshdarn geek journos.<br><br>And by the way, The Last Knight lost money.  Period.  Almost 100M according to Paramount themselves.<br><br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br><br>Have a nice day.
Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br>==================<br><br>Kinda ironic, coming from you....but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you! <br><br>And yes, he sides with me because what I say is common sense. For whatever reason, you have these strong negative feelings toward Bay films and those feelings blind you to some pretty obvious truths. <br><br>Have to say tho - for a 'hater' you sure know A LOT about him, his style and his movies. <br><br>Just admit it - you are a huge Bay fan but you just want to score some points with the snobbish internet crowd. <br><br><br><br>============<br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br>============<br><br>Oh, you're one of THOSE people......"Fury Roaaaaaaaaad is DA BEST FILM EVAAAAAAAA".<br><br>Let me guess: you also think that Nolan is the greatest director/person of all time. On par with Jesus himself. <br><br><br><br>==========<br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br>==========<br><br>Which is what Transformers 1 is. <br><br>Which is why the movie connected with audiences. It was - at its heart - a story about a boy and his car. Even the most jaded critics enjoyed that aspect.<br><br><br>=============<br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br>=============<br><br>Excuse? For what?<br><br>My friend, you do realize that Bay in particular is one of the most powerful and successful filmmakers of all time, right? He is the second highest-grossing director of all time (domestically), only behind Spielberg. You can dismiss box office success all you want but you don't get to where Bay is if you're not good at your job. <br><br>Snyder is nowhere near Bay, in terms of success and influence. Personally, I don't care much about him. <br><br><br>P.S. Guy Ritchie (and Edgar Wright) are huge Bay fans. Ask yourself why. <br><br><br>===============<br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole<br>===============<br><br>Your opinion.<br><br>I disagree.Bay walks the lines between being self-serious and comical, but his films aren't well=written enough to serve the former, or witty enough to serve the latter, and the end-result is droll and annoying.<br>====================<br><br>You sure you're not a "writer" for one of those ridiculous geek sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Slash Film? Because you sound a lot like one of those "beloved" writers. <br><br>Anyway......Yes, Bay's movies always walk that line but whether that works or not is........Yes! a matter of opinion. For me, Pain and Gain is one of the best modern satires while for you it is - I'm guessing - "droll and annoying".<br><br>It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain. <br><br>Some of you folks are indeed very hard to please. <br><br><br>===============<br>The first POTC earns it. The Bad Boys 2 doesn't. Infinity War earns it. TF 1/2/3/4/5 doesn't.<br>==============<br><br>Okay, now that statement is the best joke of the year! Thank you for the good laugh! Really! Oh, and I've definitely argued with you before, my friend. You are clearly one of those ten Bay haters from the IMDb forums who claim to hate everything the man does, yet they have seen EVERYTHING he had done. Why is that, I wonder?<br><br><br>===========<br>Fitting, as Synder and Bay are cut from a very similar cloth. Difference is, unless we're talking Man of Steel, I'd sooner rely on Snyder for consistently good action sequences<br>===========<br><br>Well, I would trust Spielberg on this. Because it was Spielberg who said, and I quote: "Michael (Bay) is one of the greatest action directors. He has the best eye in Hollywood." Spielberg works with a lot of directors. But he never said anything like that about any other director. So clearly he means what he says about Bay. And....you know......unlike most people, Speilberg actually knows a thing or two about filmmaking. <br><br><br>================<br>300 didn't try to start a franchise. It was a one-off adaptation of a graphic novel in the same vein as Sin City, and was successful. They tried to make a cash-grab sequel almost a decade later, without Snyder, and it failed. That's hardly the first film's fault.<br>================<br><br>It is a clear proof that people weren't that excited to visit this world again. And mind you, that happened with the first sequel! Talk about a one-time thing, huh?<br><br>At the same time, Bay made FOUR Transformers movies - with different casts - before there were any signs of audience fatigue. <br><br>That speaks for itself.<br><br>===========<br>Pacific Rim suffered from lackluster marketing, and yet still managed to turn a profit and attract a strong following.<br>==========<br><br>Excuses, excuses, excuses.....So you can display all the excuses in the world for Pac Rim but when it comes to Transformers, you don't accept anything. <br><br>Double standard much?<br><br>P.S. That "strong following" is on the internet. The same following that was supposed to make Scott Pillgrim a huge hit. Everyone knows that internet hype is not real-world hype. I know very well the type of people who act as if Pac Rim is the best thing since sliced bread. Total geeks who are angry that Transformers is much more popular and much more successful than Del Toro's "let's shoot all the robot fights in pitch black so audiences can't see shit" movie.  <br><br>Also, let's not pretend that Pac Rim is a universally beloved film. You know very well that there are A LOT of detractors as well. That's what you get when people can't tell what's going on during the movie because you shot it all at night. Just like that Godzilla movie. <br><br><br>============<br>Versus something like Transformers, which has piggybacked on an established IP, relentless marketing campaigns and tie-ins, and a fairly consistent release schedule. And even then, recycling the same bullshit eventually took its toll.<br>============<br><br><br>Wrong.<br><br>Do you read Forbes? You should. Because it's a place where objective people write. It ain't a stupid militant film geek site like Ain't it Cool News or Screen Rant.<br><br>Forbes published multiple articles explaining in great detail why the Transformers movies were successful EXACTLY because they were directed by Bay. Whether you like it or not, my friend, Bay is a brand. He is an auteur. There were multiple polls before the first two Transformers movies and Bay being the director was one of the main reasons for people to watch the movies. <br><br>But I guess you missed all of that, huh?<br><br>How convenient.<br><br><br>==============<br>Friendly reminder that AoE also relied on China (more pathetically then even Pacific Rim did) to compensate for diminishing domestic returns. To say nothing of TLK outright bombing.<br>==============<br><br>First: according to ACTUAL real data, the only TF movie that was saved by China is.......Bumblebee! Yeah, you better believe it. Go to Deadline and Forbes and read it for yourself.<br><br>Second: TLK bombed domestically, yes. <br>But not internationally. No one with actual knowledge of the situation refers to that movie as an international "bomb". Besides, there were 4 super successful TF movies before TLK. So Bay got nothing to prove. He already created one of the biggfest film franchises in history. <br><br>How many directors can say that?<br><br><br><br>==================<br>I know you like debunking Bay naysayers with "facts and logic," but it helps to not be grossly disingenuous while doing it<br>==================<br><br><br>Goes both ways, my friend. But unlike most naysayers, I don't treat my own personal opinions as facts. And if I'm being "disingenuous" then I don't even know what to say about some Bay haters who refuse to accept even the most obvious facts and truths.nopeYou realize there is a very easy and free method to get the music from that site, dont you?Random thought but this got me thinking about Zanelli's history with fantasy.<br><br>Whatever happened to his score for Delgo?  I know it's been accused of being super derivative of his other works anyways but still, it's weird to see a RCP score just drop off the face of the Earth like that.
There's just something really charming about seeing a prototype for a famous future theme showing up in an old score.<br><br>Or in PotC's case, SCORES.The only ones I've seen properly confirmed are the cues Badelt had listed on his website. The issue with everything else is that there's certain themes that's been associated with certain people, but aren't credited for every appearance. Not to mention that I've never really seen much official credits elsewhere, so I take any that I've seen with a grain of salt.This comment was made before that was properly confirmed, so he was likely going to do it solo at the time.I thought Hans was collaborating with Faltermayer For Top Gun 2From both ASCAP and GEMA
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Transformers - Revenge Of The Fallen
Label: Reprise Records
Length: 43'56
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  1. Prime (2:14)
    Steve Jablonsky
  2. Einstein's Wrong (3:35)
    Steve Jablonsky
  3. Nest (2:08)
    Linkin Park, Steve Jablonsky, Ryeland Allison
  4. The Shard (2:42)
    Steve Jablonsky, Lorne Balfe
  5. The Fallen (4:03)
    Steve Jablonsky
  6. Infinite White (3:58)
    Steve Jablonsky
  7. Heed Our Warning (4:26)
    Steve Jablonsky
  8. The Fallen's Arrival (3:47)
    Steve Jablonsky, Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  9. Tomb Of The Primes (2:47)
    Steve Jablonsky
  10. Forest Battle (2:04)
    Steve Jablonsky
  11. Precious Cargo (1:38)
    Steve Jablonsky
  12. Matrix Of Leadership (3:50)
    Steve Jablonsky
  13. I Claim Your Sun (3:06)
    Steve Jablonsky
  14. I Rise, You Fall (3:35)
    Steve Jablonsky
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Ele reply Replies: 0 || 2009-09-11 00:00:00
Actually noname, Adrian is right. if you do not like him, you don't have to write about it here.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-09-11 00:00:00
@ no name

With an attitude like that, no one is going to take you seriously. I don't even understand why you bother posting a message like that.

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-09-11 00:00:00
I have respect for Howard, Wiliiams, Elfman, Silvestri, Desplat, Newman or Zimmer - but not for someone like Jablonsky, Zanelli or Bates

hamza reply Replies: 0 || 2009-09-11 00:00:00
sorry ......................!!!!!! thanks ................................

hamza reply Replies: 0 || 2009-09-11 00:00:00
thinks..................................................team .

matthew reply Replies: 0 || 2009-09-10 00:00:00
The Thin Red Line - The Coral Atoll 4:40 - 6:11 - Megatron's Resurrection - The Dive Scene
heheeee

Bar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-09-10 00:00:00
what a graet album i wish for more....

albis reply Replies: 0 || 2009-09-09 00:00:00
still no expanded or complete score? :(

Miles reply Replies: 0 || 2009-09-05 00:00:00
Actually, I think he did mean "voila"--as in "there you have it." He's allowed to have a low opinion of this album if he wants to.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-09-05 00:00:00
hey no name....
its "viola" not "voila" and learn some respect!

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-09-04 00:00:00
a great part of the score (80%) is new and (20%) is re-orchestration

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-09-04 00:00:00
hate this music - nothing new and original. jablonsky took previous album, mixed with zimmer's work and voila

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-23 00:00:00
I want expanded score!

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-21 00:00:00
Does anybody knows what will Steve compose next????

Griff reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-19 00:00:00
heyy all. i was wondering if steve jablonsky is meking an extended version of the CD like with the first 1 because there was an awesome NEST variation right before the forest battle.


thanks

D A R T H reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-18 00:00:00
110 minutes..... 110 minutes !?

Please !!! a little complete score pleaaaaaaase !!!

(...)

sorry... ^_^

ID reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-16 00:00:00
"With over 110-minutes of score, and a tight post-production schedule, there was a lot to get done during the scoring sessions."

(Taken from ScoringSessions)

No wonder everyone wants an extended score! I myself want one now. We only got 45 minutes of the score!

Ricardo Fernandes reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-12 00:00:00
Ignoring some posts in this forum a say that i'm still waiting for the Full score :D

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-12 00:00:00
oh and this one is much better then the first one.... OFC the 1st one is awsome too

raj reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-11 00:00:00
why i cant get all the tracks.

Somewhere beyond the sea reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-06 00:00:00
After listening carefully the 1st soundtrack and this one I can honestly admit that it's that bad as I thought in the first place...
Slighlty diferent, more dark but still good enough to be appreciated by a fan of Steve even though I prefer the 1st...

rekaul reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-03 00:00:00
If anyone is interested in getting an expanded score of Steve Jablonsky's Transformers Revenge of the Fallen, a petition has started to convince the music company to release one, like they did for the first movie. Please find below the link to sign it.

http://www.PetitionOnline.com/tf2music/

westfall reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-03 00:00:00
@Skyler

With all due respect, i wasn't calling you or anyone that likes more serious films a "douche who spends my sad life watching cultured artsy flicks", i was refering to the guy who said "the general population is stupid and idolizes mediocrity", wich you claimed to be a Mr. Clemmensen. I watch serious films, i watch artsy films, i thouroughly enjoy them, when they're good. One of my favorite films in recent years is "Garden State". And i'm planing on watching "Moon" as it seems to be a very interesting film.
I just don't go to the theatre and pay 6 to watch those unless my friends convince me to.
As for me getting fully psyched watching action-movies, i do. But then that's the whole point of an action movie, you're not supposed to be watching "The Lake House" and go WOW!!! But claiming that just because people enjoyed TF2 they're stupid and mediocre... that pissed me off and so i fired a round
If you took some shrapnel from that particular blast, i'm sorry. It was aimed at that other individual.

On the second point you make, that cue is not on the CD. I'll tell you one thing, if it isn't "Dom and Maria" it is pretty close. Pay atention, i'm refering to "Dom and Maria", wich is track 40 in the unofficial soundtrack. In the official soundtrack that cue is called "With Sympathy" and is slightly different, they mixed a chorus over the music at the section that is (perhaps) used in TF2.

@PTO and anyone else that wants to know how much unreleased music there is in this movie go to the forums, i made a post with a full list.
http://www.hans-zimmer.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=5864

PTO reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-02 00:00:00
Like everyone else I'm really hoping for an expanded release of the score.

Also, while some people state that only a couple cues are missing (Megatron revived, Ravage, Scorponok reprise) there is also the first half of the fight between Prime, Megatron and Starscream in the factory when they save Sam, Michaela and Leo which is fantastic!

IMO, that 4 minute rescue / forest fight sequence is the best in the film with Jablonsky's music matching perfectly with Bay's best choreography and shot selection. All aspects were nailed during that part, it was epic and awesome. It's a shame that only an hour into the film we get the best part / fight and that the finale wasn't as strong.

Miles reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-01 00:00:00
The webmaster of a score reviews website said scores like this and movies like TF2 exist because the general population is stupid and idolizes mediocrity--total @$$hole in my opinion.

Skyler reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-01 00:00:00
Would that be a certain Mr. Clemmensen? :)

westfall reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-01 00:00:00
Yeah, i'm just a stupid, mediocre guy that goes to the theatre to be entertained by a 147 minute slugfest of giant robots. LOL But quite frankly i prefer to be on the stupid mediocre side and leave the room fully psiched than to be a duche that spends his sad life watching cultured artsy flicks.
If i want culture, i'll read a book or go to a museum. When i see a movie, i want asses being kicked (not that kind of movie, those i see in the confort of my home, in full fledged shame and self loathing :) ), even if they're giant metal asses. TF2 is never going to win point for its brainy content but i'll be damned if it's not one hell of a roller coaster ride.

westfall reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-01 00:00:00
On a diferent note, and actually relevant to the score discussion, who else thinks the music used when Vevastator begins to climb the pyramid is very, very close to Gears of War 2's "Dom and Maria"? I do.

Skyler reply Replies: 0 || 2009-08-01 00:00:00
With regards to what Westfall said two comments ago, I think it's all a matter of personal preference. Some people go to the movies to be entertained, some go to be thrilled, some go to laugh, some go to be emotional moved or inspired. Westfall here has made it clear that he gets fully psyched by watching exciting action-packed blockbusters. As for me, I personally love movies that "stick" with me months after I leave the theatre. I do thoroughly enjoy watching big dumb American action movies, but they just don't stick with me nearly as long as something profound and imaginative like many of today's foreign/art films. That does not necessarily mean that I am a "douche who spends my sad life watching cultured artsy flicks," as westfall suggests, it merely means that I find enjoyment in being intellectually and creativly stimulated. The Fountain, Moon, The Fall, Amelie, Waltz with Bashir - all these films have had a profound effect on me and they are among the best films I've ever seen. Wheras with Transformers 2, all I will care to remember in a few months is that it had some awesome special effects :)

With regards to what Westfall said in his most recent (and indeed more relevant) comment, did that specific sequence make it onto the soundtrack? I haven't heard Jablonsky's score for GoW2 yet, and I can't remember what the music sounded like during that specific moment in the film.

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