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Excuse me, can someone explain to me, will there ever been a Full Score? Unless, of course, there is information
Well... not for public ;)
Sure, only for those elitist bastards--or possibly not even them. In fact, sometimes I wonder if Hans Zimmer, himself, even has any of the scores that are so much sought after.
I'm almost positive that every composer gets a copy of the full recordings for each of their films they've composed music for. Whether those recordings get given out to the public or private soundtrack collectors is the blank.
Well it's not that simple. You basically have people that would keep all, indeed. But you have guys that just keep what they worked on, and you also have people that just don't give a damn and whose only interest is in the next project coming (and trust me, there are a lot like that !) !
Hey look, it's Hybrid Soldier!!! Tell us Hybrid, you did you add the complete score to RoTF? We all know how much you administrators hate scores leaking, and we know you only add legit things! So enlighten us then, please, why you added it?!
Seriously, how has no one commented on all of the newly added additional music to Lorne Balfe's site? This is why everyone should check out each composer's site. They have unreleased music posted. Unreleased to the public, anyway.
From Revenge of the Fallen, here it what has been posted:
1m07 Reedman 2m33a Forest Battle 4m69-70 Dynasty of Primes 4m71 Matrix of Leadership
Only they are all improperly named. None of the track names correspond to the film.
And a note to Hybrid Soldier: Yes, while this music is new to the general public, it may not be new to you. So go ahead and call it "cute" in that we're just discovering this. Or whatever you think, I don't care.
I will be posting this on other releases that have additional music on Lorne's site
Good one. Thanks for the heads up. :)
What's your problem with Hybrid Soldier ? Ok, he joked ONCE or maybe TWICE because someone came here with "new informations" when those had already been posted everywhere on various HZ-related forums all around the web. Thanks to Hybrid, you have "life" on this website (composers promotion, news from all the upcoming releases, complete tracklists, informations coming from the studios...). Without him this website would be long forgotten, and he's not spending all his time on boards. ...Frankly, your behavior towards this nice guy starts to be really annoying !
I believe you have missed the point of Mr. Charles' post.
The main point was not to bash Hybrid Soldier. The main point was to find more decent names for these new cues. I don't think I can help you much, Mr. Charles, since we don't have a track list to go off for this like we do for, say, Sherlock Holmes, or DotM. The best you could probably do is go watch the movie yourself to find where these appear and name the tracks whatever you deem appropriate.
Great addition to the score, now at 21 (20, really) tracks and counting :) Though, as it's been pointed out elsewhere, the names don't fit. Skorponok fans (me included) will be happy to know that variant, used when the planes are launching from the aircraft carrier, is there. Now, all we need is... all the rest. XD
It lacks "Arrival to Earth" variations, "Autobots/Allspark reprise" (beginning of the movie) and the music played during the "Story of the Fallen"(Arrival to Egypt).
which cue contains the Skorponok variant ?
4m71 Matrix of Leadership, 0:47 to about 1:23.
@Hale, I think I know what themes you are referring to. There is one amazing theme that only sort of shows itself in "Einstein's Wrong" and "Signs 2" from Magic Box Music. Examples: both before and after they use the space bridge to get to Egypt, and possibly when Sam freaks out in the middle of that college class (I don't have a DVD rip of that one finished because of voice echoes). It occurs in SO MANY other places, but I haven't listened to my own bad DVD rips of it for a while.
I apologize, Mr. Charles, that no one has been able to help you out (not even me). Here's what I've come up with in terms of titles that are more relevant:
Reed Man --> The All Spark Sliver (my own title) Forest Battle --> Alice, Decepticon Pretender (my own title) Dynasty of the Primes --> Bumblebee Wins (ASCAP title) Matrix of Leadership --> Lennox and Kids Get Closer (ASCAP title)
If someone can pinpoint exactly which two ASCAP titles correspond to those first two, that'd be even better!
Thanks, Mr. Fate. Here's what I did myself:
1m07 Reedman > The Shard (Film Version) 2m33a Forest Battle > Alice Attacks 4m69-70 Dynasty of Primes > Bumblebee VS Rampage 4m71 Matrix of Leadership > Bombs Away
4m71 - Isn't that the cue where the jet drops the bomb causing the huge explosion, when Megatron comes out of the smoke and shoots Sam?
I didn't know whether you needed any help finding proper titles for these cues. One thing I'd like to point out though: I don't know how great the title "The Shard (Film Version)" fits, considering "The Shard" appears all throughout the film as different "film versions". You would likely have "Film Version #1", "Film Version #2", and so on, which isn't the best way to title stuff (but it's as creative as Danny Elfman's "Alice Reprises" I suppose).
If you wanted an ASCAP title, and since nobody else frequents this site like I do, here's what I'd guess would be the right names for 1m07, and 2m33a, respectively: "The Shard is Saved" and "Alice Gets Angry".
It's too bad we couldn't get a couple thousand bootleg releases for this film like we did for the first one--and that ASCAP track list appears to be not long enough. I would like to point out one interesting thing though: "Witwicky," "Satan's Camaro," and "Camaro on the Run" are all included in that track list. I am well aware that they tracked in music from the first film and remixed it a bit (a remixed version of "Sam at the Lake" also appears) but I am surprised to see those titles reused from the first film despite having no relevance to RotF. Can anyone explain this?
I hear what you're saying about my "film version" of The Shard. I thought the version we recently got from Lorne Balfe was the film version, because they sound very similar, yet still different.
I'll probably just stick with what I have named already, I'm fine with it.
I know exactly what you mean. Every time I go to ASCAP I look at the tracklist and I too notice it's way too short. And yes, I've also noticed the same cues appear on the list from the first film. Weird.
And now we can see why "The Fallen's Arrival" got cut so short! I don't really know how composing stuff works when you have multiple people working on the same cue, I could see how things could get messy. I'm going to assume something, on a probably inaccurate assumption, and say that the parts of that track that were cut out of the album edit were by Zimmer and Balfe. Am I right?
But that's good to see that most of this score was actually written by the guy it says it was written by, unlike the Pirates scores.
The Fallen's Arrival is actually a montage of 2 film cues :
The first 1:18 are a Jablonsky cue.
After that, it's a shortened version of a much bigger cue, which is by Hans & Lorne (using the general style of Steve). Hans told me working on that one was "a lot of fun" ! haha
I Have A Complete Tracklist If There Ever Is A Complete Score To ROTF :
1. 1m0 - Logos (0:41) 2. 1m1a - Main Title-First Contact (1:24) 3. 1m1b - Shanghai (0:50) 4. 1m1c - N.E.S.T. (2:08) 5. 1m4 - First Chase (1:07) 6. 1m5a - Second Chase (0:26) 7. 1m5b - Pursuit (0:44) 8. 2m7 - This Is Not Your Planet (0:38) 9. 2m7a - Sam To College (0:32) 10. 2m8a - The Shard (1:15) 11. 2m8b - Rooftop Escape / Bumblebee(0:47) 12. 2m9 - Retrieving The Shard (0:27) 13. 2m11 - Sad Bumblebee (0:47) 14. 2m12 - Autobot Hanger (0:49) 15. 3m13 - Director Galloway (0:54) 16. 3m14 - Origin Unknown (3:01) 17. 3m15 - What If We Leave? (1:17) 18. 3m18 - Tech-Head (1:17) 19. 3m19 - You Work For Me Now (0:13) 20. 3m21 - Freshman (0:23) 21. 3m22 - Mommy High (0:54) 22. 3m23 - Ravage (0:44) 23. 3m24a - Reedman (1:33) 24. 3m24b - Cakey Symbols (0:22) 25. 3m25 - Choose (1:34) 26. 4m27 - Diving For Megatron (2:18) 27. 4m28 - The Fallen's Lair (2:12) 28. 4m29 - Eintstein's Wrong (1:41) 29. 4m31 - Meltdown In Class (2:07) 30. 4m32 - Autobots On The Move (1:01) 31. 4m33 - 18 Inches Of Meat (0:18) 32. 4m34 - Alice (0:55) 33. 4m35 - A Tounge Twister (0:53) 34. 5m36 - Library Destruction (1:31) 35. 5m38a - Helicopter Abduction (0:21) 36. 5m38b - Megatron And Sam (1:55) 37. 5m39 - Foundry Save To Forest Fight (1:04) 38. 5m40 - Forest Battle (1:00) 39. 5m41 - Optimus Vs. The Decepticons (0:50) 40. 5m42 - The Fallen's Arrival (5:09) 41. 5m44 - The Fallen's Broadcast (2:24) 42. 5m46 - A Fallen Prime (1:01) 43. 6m47 - Don't Give Up (2:25) 44. 6m48 - New Divide(Instrumental) (0:49) 45. 6m50a - Meatlocker (0:39) 46. 6m50b - Signs (1:43) 47. 6m50c - Language Of The Primes (0:39) 48. 6m50d - Air And Space Museum (1:15) 49. 7m51 - Searching The Museum (1:11) 50. 7m53 - Jetfire (1:54) 51. 7m54 - Spacebridge To Egypt (0:43) 52. 7m55 - History Of The Primes (3:35) 53. 8m56 - Run Like An Egyptian (0:50) 54. 8m57 - Delivery (2:48) 55. 8m58 - NEST E.T.A. (0:21) 56. 8m59 - Under The Stars / The Three Kings (1:20) 57. 8m60 - Bailout (2:17) 58. 8m62 - Infinite White (1:25) 59. 8m63 - Tomb Of The Primes (2:34) 60. 8m64 - The Drop (1:20) 61. 9m66 - It's Up To Simmons (0:50) 62. 9m67 - We Need An Assist (3:24) 63. 9m68 - Hide, Seek And Run (2:57) 64. 9m69 - Mudflap's Sacrifice (0:16) 65. 9m70 - The Twins Vs. Devastator (1:20) 66. 9m71 - Bumblebee's Fight (1:05) 67. 9m72 - Letting Go (1:32) 68. 9m73 - Simmons' Orders / Running For Optimus (4:12) 69. 10m74 - Precious Cargo (2:11) 70. 10m75 - Devastator Destroyed / F22's To Egypt (1:55) 71. 10m76 - The Dynasty Of Primes (4:22) 72. 10m77a - I Claim Your Sun (1:13) 73. 10m77b - Optimus Destroys The Harvester (1:23) 74. 10m77c - Optimus Vs. Megatron And The Fallen (0:33) 75. 10m78 - I Rise, You Fall (2:34)
Broham, your statement has somehow managed to contradict itself and poke a hole in the universe. You can't possibly have a track list to the complete score before we know of the existence of the complete score. This must mean that you've made up your own track list and cue and reel numbers (they look somewhat professional, btw).
However, quite a few of your cue names appear to be identical to someone's made-up track list which was posted on a shrine several months back. I assume you used some of the track titles from the list registered on ASCAP as well, eh?
Besides, if ever the real complete score surfaces, did you consider that it mist already have cue and reel numbers, and possibly even track titles, thereby making this list obsolete?
This tracklist is different to the ASCAP tracklist awesome!!!!
Yes, but it says 'here is a complete tracklist if there is ever a complete score to RotF'. This makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE!!!!!!!!!!
You guys should really read my first post here; I think it explains mostly everything.
Also, in the last paragraph, 'mist' is supposed to be 'might'.
Yes, I read it. Nothing new to take in. This list is nothing. You can't have a list that 'might' correspond to a complete score. I don't think RotF will ever see the light of day. Now DotM is another matter. We have a legit tracklist for that, and I KNOW for a fact it's real.
No its my dvd rip
nice cover snakes, you weren't suppose to post this, let alone here! good luck getting this score from me now, "buddy" >:(
Um...Oopsies! Wait a minute--Snakes getting rare music that's real?
Come on, bro! A DVD rip complete with slate numbers? This, however, still doesn't explain why several of the tracks seem to match titles of the track list posted on the Shrine...
Is this seriously real, Jakeson?
nah I just wanted to scare the shit out of snakes. I gave him the tracklist, as its shows up on sheet music, but I have yet to find this rare gem myself, and it wouldn't surprise me if snake's attempts to make a dvd rip.
But this track list *is* legit, in the sense that if the sessions surfaced, these would be the titles? Well, that somewhat explains Snakes' contradictory statement.
How come several of the cue names match ones from that made up track list I keep mentioning?
Snakes already had his own track list.
What...the heck is this?! So many of these track titles match the ones that I made up for my edit of the score. I suppose this is what Mr. Fate is referring to?
I even posted a bundle of these not too long ago. And no, they don't have slate numbers--it's a DVD rip. I just find it to be beyond pure coincidence that my track count is one fewer than this (and that's only because I grouped Snakes' 6m48 with the cue prior to it into a single track) and also that this track list borrows roughly TEN of my titles (not including the ones that match OST or Magic Box Music titles, of course).
@Ahmad: clearly you did not read the posts following this fake-as-Twinkies track list. This whole track list is total BS and does NOT correspond to anything real aside from some dude watching the movie, documenting track lengths, making up some track names and then pulling some slate numbers out of his ass.
This can be confirmed by checking out the four new tracks for this film posted on Lorne Balfe's website. While Balfe had to make up track names instead of using the real official ones, due to whatever rule causes that to be necessary, I am confident the attached slate numbers are genuine. Try to find those slate numbers in this track list posted above and see if anything corresponds.
Also, as Dimensioner pointed out, several of the track titles were borrowed from his DVD rip of the score, and I find it hard to believe that he would have used official titles for a DVD rip, considering that the only official titles known are listed on ASCAP, and all we have are those titles to go from.
SILVA SCREEN RECORDS PRESENTS MUSIC FROM THE TRANSFORMERS TRILOGY
A stirring collection of Steve Jablonsky’s epic themes from one of the most successful recent franchises
Steve Jablonsky’s long association with Transformers director Michael Bay began in the 1990s, creating additional music for Armageddon, Pearl Harbor and Bad Boys II, and forming a close link with prolific composer Hans Zimmer. His career spans film, TV and video games and includes the remakes of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The Amityville Horror and Friday The 13th.
Performed by the London Music Works.
Tracklisting: 1. Transformers - Autobots 2. Transformers - The All Spark 3. Transformers - Optimus 4. Transformers - Bumblebee 5. Transformers - Arrival To Earth 6. Transformers - Optimus Vs. Megatron 7. Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen - Nest 8. Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen - Infinite White 9. Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen - Tomb Of The Primes 10. Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen - Forest Battle 11. Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen - Matrix Of Leadership 12. Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen - Prime/I Rise, You Fall 13. Transformers: Dark Of The Moon: Dark Side Of The Moon 14. Transformers: Dark Of The Moon - Sentinel Prime 15. Transformers: Dark Of The Moon - It’s Our Fight 16. Transformers: Dark Of The Moon - Our Final Hope
* The digital release comes with an exclusive 17th digital only track and a downloadable booklet:
17. Transformers: Dark Of The Moon - Prelude (Trailer Music)
------------------------------------------------------------ CD: SILCD1365 US Release Date: October 11, 2011
Digital Album: SILED1365 US Release date: August 16, 2011
I'd still like to here some of the demos of Hans Zimmer and Linkin Park and the track "New Divide." The little taste that we have of it in "Nest" is cool with the brass near the middle of the cue, but a full orchestral version of that song would be great under Zimmer's supervision. Just my two cents.
It's way too short in the movie and it's a shame we don't have the piece where it plays again when Optimus and Bumblebee rescue Sam from Megatron
I don't know why they didn't include in the score the part when Optimus and Bumblebee rescue Sam (the prelude to Forest Battle)... It's so powerful!!
For Some Odd Reason, I Think We're Getting Closer To A Release! I Have The Cover Posted And A New Tracklist(I Don't Think It Matches The Expanded Release Though)... But I Can Feel We're Getting Closer!!!!!
*responded to wrong post*
Haha yup. Thought I'd just leave until someone had to say something
I think a reason why complete / promo scores aren't released is due to many factors including. but not limited to:
1 - Film's success - a example of this I believe, if my memory serves me correct is xXx State of the Union by Marco Beltrami. From what I was told, the reason it wasn't released was lack in the film's box office success and popularity. So that may be a reason why a score doesn't get released.
2 - It has occurred to me that a lot of scores by Remote Control Productions composers aren't either complete or released. I think a reason for this is the fact that numerous composers from this group seem to contribute to a score. It seems that only the credited composers music are released officially, and a lot of the times other composers contributions aren't released.
3 - Also, some composers works just don't get released, whether because of film's success/popularity or the genre, or amount of score produced. Rupert Gregson-Williams and Teddy Castellucci are good examples of which not many of their works get released.
that's the main 3 I feel like typing up atm :D
Guys, there is definitely something out there. This is from BMI: h t t p://repertoire.bmi.com/title.asp?blnWriter=True&blnPublisher =True&blnArtist=True&page=1&keyid=11210296&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeq Nbr=0&querytype=WorkID
This track is called "Galloway Parachutes". There was also another one I saw titled "Reed Man", obviously the music playing after Ravage attacks the military base and the reed man transformer steals the shard.
Ya, ok. Here's the complete tracklist:
17 000 B C SHANGHAI OPTIMUS TO THE RESCUE FALLEN SHALL RISE AGAIN THE SAM OFF TO COLLEGE BUMBLE BEE OUT OF GARAGE SHARD IS SAVED THE NEST OPPS GALLOWAY S ARRIVAL GALLOWAY S ARRIVAL INSERT GALLOWAY MEETS OPTIMUS WHAT IF YOU RE WRONG TECH HEAD YOU WORK FOR ME NOW HOT FRESHMAN MOMMY HIGH CAKEY SYMBOLS YOU DON T NEED ME DIVING FOR MEGATRON FALLEN S LAIR THE EIGHTEEN INCHES OF MEAT ALICE GETS ANGRY FOUNDRY SAVE TO FOREST FIGHT FOREST BATTLE PT 1 FOREST BATTLE PT 2 FALLEN S ARRIVAL PT 1 THE DON T GIVE UP SIMMONS SYMBOLS SEEKERS THE WITWICKY CAMERO ON THE RUN SATAN S CAMERO MODEL AIRPLANES JETFIRE UP TO JETFIRE RAMBLES THE PLOT POLICE CHASE PLANNING THE DROP OOMPA PYRAMID ROMANCE SIMMONS TAKES IT OFF THREE STARS THE INFINITE WHITE PT 2 TOMB OF THE PRIMES DROP THE BUMBLE BEE WINS PARENTS SAY LENNOX AND KIDS GET CLOSER PRECIOUS CARGO MATRIX OF LEADERSHIP I CLAIM YOUR SUN I RISE YOU FALL PT 1 I RISE YOU FALL PT 2
anyone know if this exist to hear?
I seriously, seriously hope it exists. I just go soooooo excited when I found it. I need this.
where did you find it?
BMI, so it's legit. I didn't just make this up.
i wish we could buy it off BMI website.
chillllll, its not the real thing, every composer registers stuff on there, this is not the legit tracklist...
hopefully someone has the real deal, though
SOMEONE had The Dark Knight. SOMEONE had Batman Begins. SOMEONE had A Nightmare on Elm Street. SOMEONE had National Treasure: Book of Secrets. My point is, SOMEONE definitely has this. Hrbrid had said back on The Dark Knight page that so so many things exist that we don't even know about. I know this exists. Someone has something, and maybe one day we will get it.
Just like Inception.
EXACTLY, Uga. Just like Inception.
and also "The Thin Red Line"?
They should create a bandcamp profile for Steve Jablonsky and put the files for the complete score on it. The same Klaus Badelt does. So, what does it cost? And it makes the fans happy. :)
What is a bandcamp profile?
Bandcamp is a platform, where artists can sell their music. Fans can buy and download the music in formats like MP3 or FLAC. The latest releases by Klaus Badelt are sold through bandcamp. I mean it is not a big deal to sell music digitally via bandcamp. Though I do not know other reasons, why not releasing such great music.
It's simple !
I mean, if Klaus can release so much, it's because he signs contracts to OWN the rights of his scores, so he can do whatever he wants with it !
Stuff like Warner/Fox/Paramount/DreamWorks films, you'll never have deals like that... That's why !
Didn't know it's that simple. But as I mentioned that _they_ should create for instance this kind of profile, I meant it can't be difficult to release more music digitally in a good quality (FLAC)?!
Dakota. Nice find on this score. It looks like an expanded score instead of a recording session, but still works.
You said this website has music that we can listen to? h t t p://repertoire.bmi.com/title.asp?blnWriter=True&blnPublisher =True&blnArtist=True&page=1&keyid=11210296&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeq Nbr=0&querytype=WorkID
Where did you find "Reed Man"? I noticed that the 'Ravage attack base' music is missing from the tracklist provided.
Dakota...The BMI Reptoir website doesnt list or show anything song related other than the composer working on the title. Where is all this coming from? Do you got a link?
INteresting that the tracklist does not include the tracks that Sponsler and Guire did...
I simply Googled BMI and took it form there. That link to the BMI site is the only one I have. No clue why Tom Gire & John Sponsler's tracks are not listed....
> I mean, if Klaus can release so much, it's because he signs > contracts to OWN the rights of his scores, so he can do whatever > he wants with it ! > Stuff like Warner/Fox/Paramount/DreamWorks films, you'll never > have deals like that...
Even though some of the music on his site (that you can get for free) is from just those studios :P
The only link I have is that one from BMI, which I already posted. I don't think there's anything to get excited over, guys....
I wonder if researching those composers might yeild any info...
Dakota, any news from that complete score list you found?
If I found it / had it by now, you guys would surely know. Someone I know says it's just the cues that the composer has to register with BMI, and that it's nothing. If I ever get it, you guys will know
Thanks for your answer, its good to know I'm not the only one who wants this score :)
No problem. I would die to get a complete release.....
Expanded one is coming...
Expanded one is coming? How do you know?
Coming to a shrine near you soon!
What does coming to a shrine near you for? Is it coming out or not.
Very nice. Enough said =)
Fuck Yeah!!!!!Complete recordings from Angels & Demons is coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
where and when? fromwhere did you get the informations?
I don't give a rat's butt if Revenge of the Fallen is complete or expanded, I want 'em all!!!!!!!!
I hope to be able to get a hold of it because 43 mins and those few tracks found elsewhere just still miss out on so many amazing cues - mainly for me the opening action scene and when the bots rescue sam from hmmmm (having his brain tampered with!!)
HI.I like to now which song is played in T2:RotF starts in 2:04:11.PLZ help
Michael, the music heard at that part when the jets are taking off from the ship is a slightly different rendition of "Skorponok" from the first film. It's also on the first film's commercial soundtrack.
Expanded, Complete, Recording Sessions, whatever. I'll take anything at this point. It's coming up on 2 years now. The Transformers complete score came out not long after the first film. I hope Dark of the Moon is much longer than Revenge of the Fallen is, it's way too short.
I am so freaking excited they're doing the theme song again. This makes the trilogy that much better. Is Steve working with LP on the score again? I hope so. I love how New Divide was incorporated into ROTF's score. Maybe since it's coming up on 2 years now, there will be a complete score release for this. It's my second favorite ever.....