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...that response only made you look more suspicious, as it was so pre-programmed feeling.@AndrewP *Robocop voice* obey the law or get erased creepSo if I say I love the score and itís amazing then Iím a bot !!!!!!!!! What a rediculois theoryHi, I'm new to this site and a big fan of Zimmer. Blade Runner is definitely one of his best works (and don't forget Wallfisch). Anyways, I'm definitely anticipating Denis Villeneuve's upcoming Dune film and I wonder if he'll go to Zimmer to do the project. That would be awesome if that happened.This place is not exactly a democracy, if something is not of my liking I get rid of it. Plain & simple.
^^<br><br>For the sake of fairness, I think the admins should delete both the guys spamming the thread with whining, as well as the Balfe-bots spamming the thread with positivity while simultaneously denouncing "haters." (This does not apply to most people in the thread, but you know who I mean.)I created a suite of what I believe are the best cues on the album, and attempted to make some interesting variations with the cues themselves in terms of transitions and such. Tracks included are Fallout, The Exchange, Escape Through Paris, Stairs and Rooftops, Free Fall, and Mission: Accomplished. Feel free to check it out, it helps make the whole score feel more melodic in my opinion!<br><br>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCioYxbgNsqFhZ15onqcTlFA/vid eosBalfe haters will hate this !!!<br><br>But itís amazing . <br><br>Itís emotional then EPIC!<br><br>It can only be purchased at the Kynren site in Bishop Auckland, UK, during the show season. Google Kynren and hope to see you there soon! :) Hope this helps. Kind RegardsAgree with this 100%
People are on here shitting on Giacchino and Powell saying Rouge One has a better score or people saying Solo has a better score and Iím over here like yep still listening to the Star Wars Original Trilogy And Prequel Trilogy scores over here. But I think they both gave Williams Justice and did good.@HunterTech - because Cruise and the studio *really* wanted him back after Rogue Nation's success, despite the producers' initial plan for the franchise being to have each entry done by a different director. Hence, McQuarrie's condition that he'll be back as long as he does a completely different film.<br><br>And context is important because once you realise the *film itself* is heavily influenced by Nolan with a big dash of Fury Road-esque building action momentum, then the decision to have Balfe on board and the score to sound all Zimmer/RCP as opposed to more symphonic a-la Kraemer/Giacchino makes sense.So.......why not get a new director then? I admire his efforts in trying to attempt something different for every sequel, but he's eventually gonna get tired if he keeps coming back. Plus, there's been evidence that surfaced to suggest that there was a very specific reason in Kraemer not returning, which don't necessarily contradict what McQ is saying here.<br><br>Despite all this, I'm very excited for Fallout as a whole. I've been able to enjoy films with disappointing scores before (*cough*BR2049*cough*).Mephariel, fair enough. I see your point as well.<br><br>mpolonest123, I see your point.<br><br>But looking back at the MI2 score now, compared to some recent MV/RC stuff......it's just heads and tails above them. Again, that's just my opinion. There is a clear theme here, there is an actual structure. Not just some noisy sound effects thrown in the blender.
@HunterTech - McQ said at every opportunity that a condition of his coming back would be making MI Fallout as if a different director was doing it. Which is why he got a new DoP, new composer, new costume designer etcBecause that opinion is clearly wrong when Dunkirk came out in 2017.I can't agree with Genius: Picasso. I like the score, but it doesn't have enough direction. Just a lot of soundscaping. It is like the score is just there. <br><br>Balfe has this same problem with a lot of his scores.<br><br>I am so tire of people claiming Balfe has potential. It is like a basketball fan constantly claiming that Player X is two years away from being two years away. Every year people say Balfe is going to do something great. I am still waiting for this. That said, I haven't listened to MI:6 yet.Christopher Nolan of music? You serious? You compare Balfe with Nolan, one of the most talented directors of this generation? Nolan always does his own shit. He doesn't tempt scenes from other movies and recolor them and call them his. <br><br>Has Balfe written a great score that is truly his own yet? Maybe I just haven't heard it. <br><br>The only thing Balfe and Nolan has in common is that they are both white and they are both British.So I've finally decided to give this a listen today, and it was a lot of fun! The general quirkiness, source cues that actually benefit the score, and one of the best themes that I've heard from Zimmer in Moriarty certainly make this one a keeper. A lot of people barp on the OST, but it certainly made me interested to hear the music in a better form. I'll probably have to listen to it again before forming a definitive opinion, but as is, it managed to actually live up to the hype.
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Angels & Demons
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  1. 160 BPM (6:42)
    Hans Zimmer
  2. God Particle (5:20)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Atli ÷rvarsson, Mel Wesson
  3. Air (9:08)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Atli ÷rvarsson, Geoff Zanelli, Mel Wesson
  4. Fire (6:51)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  5. Black Smoke (5:45)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Mel Wesson
  6. Science And Religion (12:27)
    Hans Zimmer
  7. Immolation (3:38)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  8. Election By Adoration (2:12)
    Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
  9. 503 (2:14)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  10. Bonus Track : H2O (1:51)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Atli ÷rvarsson
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Kerem KOBUL reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-16 00:00:00
To be honest so far i thought that even Zimmer has been repeating himself in his works for a while; every soundtrack resembled one another and you could feel the motives of Badelt, Doyle etc. in various scores. Furthermore, I wouldn't expect there would be another original, authentic, unique score like the last samurai, gladiator or as good as it gets soundtracks, I was even disappointed by the score of da vinci code. However, this work has got the privilege of being one of your masterpieces, Hans, great job, well done. Last but not least, THANK YOU for producing sucha good work.

Anon-Y-Mous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-15 00:00:00
Film order edit:
1. Main titles
2. Antimatter
3. Sealing Conclave
4. To Raphael's Tomb
5. Air
6. Fire
7. Cross Rome
8. The Illuminati Church
9. The Camerlengo's Destiny
10. Election By Adoration
11. The Cross Keys
12. Immolation
13. The Last Preferiti
15. End Credits (I60 BPM)

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-13 00:00:00
My theory about all this : Before hans wrote around 90-100 % of his soundtracks, and 90 % of his arrangements. Thin Red Line for instance , was completely hans, thats the true hans. All the melanesian chants are arranged by klaus Badelt. The rest of the orchestral dramatic score is 100 % Zimmer.


Same thing for Rain man, crimson tide, backdraft, lion king , peacemaker, as good as it gets, its true hans. Even if for lion king , in the movie you can hear 1 or 2 tracks that are clearly not hans but more Nick glennie smith ( and these are the LESS interesting tracks by the way, go figure.. :) )

For me, one of the last Zimmer solo effort in recent years is Gladiator. It was the last Zimmer soundtrack to be composed almost entirely by him. Progeny, The battle, Earth, honor him.. its all Zimmer. The result is a great soundtrack , one of his most famous soundtrack... go figure ;)

Oh no , I dont mean Zimmer is less good nowadays, it's still great. But the method changed. Zimmer writes big suites, from fifteen to fifty minutes long, where he develops all the themes, with detailed arrangements. Then he gives these suites to his additionnal writers and they "apply" the themes on one particular scene of the movie.
Then he gives lot of directions on how one cue must sound, express, etc... He's not laying on santa monica beach while his ghost writers work hard in a deep cave :D

This is an interesting method, and after all , it's still Zimmer writing, zimmer point of view. When i hear henry jackman solo score, atli orvarsson Babylon A.D, man I think it sounds good but that it lacks something. It lacks a personal voice, it lacks a memorable melody ( can you sing a melody in babylon AD ? )
So all this to say Zimmer scores are still Zimmer. It's just a little less personal than it was in the beginning of his career.

Pridelander/Miya reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-13 00:00:00
I didn't intend to participate this kind of discussion (it occurs everywhere and never ends!) but just one thing to say...

>no name
>My theory is that he writes main theme(s) and says: "Ok boys/girls - you'll do the rest". Just check Simpsons or Holiday tracklist.

Multiple people credited doesn't always mean Zimmer worked less, I believe. From what I've heard (in Zimmer's interviews or Casi Divas director's blog, The Weather Man making video, etc.), his process, at least on projects like The Holiday, is more teamwork-oriented, or "rock band" type process. He gathers musicians (instrumentalists, vocalists, fellow composers) in his room, and they "jam" his tunes, improvise, give ideas and opinions, and discuss together.

Is this kind of process wrong? I don't think so. I even think he couldn't create something like The Holiday without other musicians... What I love about this score is, that it feels like I'm in a room filled with musicians. Isn't it great? :)

Of course projects like Pirates 1 must be different. I don't know about Simpsons, which I don't have. But I just wanted to say many names in credits doesn't mean bad quality.

Bettmusicmaker reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-13 00:00:00
I love the music. I don't care who wrote how much ... it's awesome!

I came to this site to find out about the lyrics, especially for 160 BPM. It seems like others are wondering, too. So, I went to my sources in the music industry and learned that this is a real choir -- no synthesizer! It's the Los Angeles Master Chorale. Apparently they are not listed on the CD jacket due to licensing issues. (I don't think anyone understands how Hollywood works!)

I've been told that the text is Latin (as expected). My sources are working on getting the actual text; once I have that information I will post it here for others.

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
He wrote around 4 hours of music for Lion King too, I remember. Only about 65 min was used in the final film. The man's really hard working, hehe.

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
@DemonStar

That's my point. He was hard working man. Now it seems that he prefers to others do his job.

@Adrian
There is hope
http://www.petitiononline.com/ttrlcut/petition.html

maybe with film they will release 5/6 CD complete score:)

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
Well, he still does most of the job and the RC people "polish" it a bit and provide a few additional cues.

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
My theory is that he writes main theme(s) and says: "Ok boys/girls - you'll do the rest". Just check Simpsons or Holiday tracklist.

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
I think he gives credit to whoever worked on the tracks with him. Doesn't mean he wasn't involved.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
Don't record companies they can make millions if they're going to release ''complete directoral box sets'' or whatever a promotion bureau thinks of it?

and yes, i heard more of the theory that you're talking about... more like a supervising composer.
but, i still like his work a lot! i dont mind how many people are involved, as long they are credited or when it sounds very very good :P

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-11 00:00:00
That is a lot... I heard he also wrote 5 hours for BHD, but I do think that his students have contributed a lot on Prince of Egypt/ Thin red Line. But that's just me, perhaps you're right.. Perhaps I am, we will never know for sure. Or they will have to release a complete score someday someway hehe

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-11 00:00:00
No 100% but I bet over 85% (Hans wrote over 6 hrs of music for TRL).

Skyler reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
"As a young student of art, Langdon had wondered how single artists could create so *much* work in their lifetimes. Later he learned, much to his disappointment, that famous artists actually created very little of their own work. They ran studios where they trained young artists to carry out their designs. Sculptors like Bernini created miniatures in clay and hired others to enlarge them into marble. Langdon knew that if Bernini had been required to *personally* complete all of his commissions, he would still be working today."
- Angels & Demons, chapter 84

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
I don't hate Hans or any other composer. I love his work. But I don't like his politics to use others work.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
''No name'' read what Skyler quoted.

I Love You Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
Adrian I completely agree with you.

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
I prefer one great album a year than 6 medium. Look what Hans did in 1998 - Thin Red Line and Prince of Egypt - 2 absolutely stunning scores. I just prefer quality over quantity. But i can understand that he want's to help his students - although I don't like it.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
Thanks I Love You Hans :)

No name, do you think The thin red Line or the Prince of Egypt are 100% Hans?
Guess again :)

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
Yeah, Holiday - 2 tracks by hz (most of it was copied from Once Upon a Time in America), rest by co-workers; The Simpsons - same case. When i'm listening JW album ( or any other music composer that actually writes entire album), i know that "music by john williams" is a true statement. When i'm listening HZ albums, i'm wondering - who made this?

Like I've said: last few years bring 2 or 3 masterpiece albums, others are solid, but nothing extraoridinary.


@ I Love You Hans

Don't compare JW and HZ - Jaws, Star Wars, Indiana Jones - those albums won't die. HZ wrote few unforgetible themes, but...

I Love You Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
I don't think that Jaws, Star Wars, Indiana Jones are better than Crimson Tide or The Rock or The Thin Red Line, The Last Samurai, Gladiator, BHD, Tears of sun, The Da Vinci Code or Angels & Demons and let's not say Batman Begins & The Dark Knight because those two albums only are better than Williams whole career, and I'm not surprised that you're Williams fan because Zimmer's Attackers always are :) I think no one can be a fan of both you can never love both because they're different styles but i think Hans is better.

I'm not here! reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
Hey "I Love You Hans"... I like both! John Williams and Hans Zimmer are my favourite composers. True their type of soundtrack is different... So SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Are you a anti-John Williams fan??? You sound like one!

I Love You Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
Williams is good but Hans WoW he's unbelievable he's really better than Williams IMO, I'm not saying that Williams is bad but he's not the god of music, also James Newton Howard is one of the greatest and most talented composers ever and he's better than Williams, also hating or loving Williams isn't the question that you'll find its answer here you're in the wrong place baby, also most of the people who attacks Zimmer most of them are Williams fans and thats true ''no name'' is an example. So live with that and don't be angry.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
I do not think it is possible to say so easily who is better than who.
And you cannot compare Hans and Johns style of composing, they're completely different.
@ ''I love you Hans''; it's generally personal to say ''(...) is better than (...), thats the beautiful thing about music; there millions of styles and million kinds of taste.
The comparison of Jaws with the Crimson Tide... Let's put it this way: you're now comparing a dangerous shark with a human built submarine. How can you say ''I like the submarine more'' what's your argumentation for that?
Funny how this example resembles the musical styles of both composers too :P

Personally, I think John is a very good composer but not always very ''easy listening''.

robert langdon reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-08 00:00:00
edit : *no name*

robert langdon reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-08 00:00:00
noone listen to no mane. he's just trolling.

I Love You Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-07 00:00:00
Well and i said 125 amazing albums, Amazing Albums.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-07 00:00:00
@I Love You Hans:

Judge based on quality, not quantity...

Emeka reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-07 00:00:00
This is for anyone to answer what are the lyrics to 160 bpm in Angels and Demons?

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