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I've found this odd version of "Train Opening" that sounds like a demo. Is it legitimate? The only mention of it I've seen is on the 2nd page of the OST listing here, but it didn't tell me much. And I ain't about to check the archive of the place we can't name that died. Thanks in advance!Oh man, I'd to love to get my hands on this version. I've searched everywhere over the years, but I guess it's just impossible...<br>One of my favorite scores ever!This is a highly underrated album. It's nothing short of a masterpiece, a modern opera. The choir is beautiful, and the choice of gospel for the first track gives it a unique identity, though I'm not sure how well it meshes with the orchestra. It feels a bit off, but will hopefully improve for me on further listens. <br><br>The composition, has to me, elevated Powell to the status of the second best living composer (Williams is still first for now). It's pure orchestral beauty and mastery with variety of texture, color, and style, with seamless tonal transitions. The complexity rivals some of the great works of the past. <br><br>It's strange to me that this is called "choral works". Sure the choir is an important element, but it really should be named "Hubris Symphony", or "Hubris: The Opera", because that's the status the album deserves.My Attempt at a chronological order with edits (feel free to correct any mistakes or if I missed anything) <br><br>1. A Storm Is Coming (0:00 - 0:36) (Logos) <br>2. Should You Choose To Accept (0:00 - 0:52) <br>3. Good Evening, Mr. Hunt (4:19) <br>4. Plutonium Trade (2:53) <br>5. A Terrible Choice (2:55) <br>6. The Manifesto (1:44)  <br>7. Fallout (1:30)  <br>8. Your Mission (2:14)  <br>9. Free Fall (4:14) <br>10. As Ugly As They Come (2:26) <br>11. The White Widow (4:42) <br>12. Should You Choose To Accept (0:52 - 2:34) <br>13. Framing Ethan (2:01)  <br>14. The Exchange (5:55)  <br>15. Escape Through Paris (5:05) <br>16. Steps Ahead (1:02)  <br>17. Je Suis De Sole (1:06)  <br>18. We Are Never Free (6:57)  <br>19. Trapped (3:26)  <br>20. The Mission Is Terminated (2:09)  <br>21. No Hard Feelings (4:20)  <br>22. Stairs And Rooftops (6:00)  <br>23. Kashmir (4:29) <br>24. Fate Whispers To The Warrior (3:54) <br>25. And The Warrior Whispers Back (3:56) <br>26. Scalpel And Hammer (0:00 - 2:19) <br>27. Cutting On One (0:00 - 2:23) <br>28. Unfinished Business (1:49)  <br>29. A Storm Is Coming (0:36 - 1:12) <br>30. I Am The Storm (2:07)  <br>31. Scalpel And Hammer (2:19 - 5:10) <br>32. Cutting On One (2:23 - 3:42) <br>33. The Last Resort (2:55)  <br>34. Mission: Accomplished (1:15) <br>BONUS TRACKS: <br>35. The Syndicate (Unused) (6:00) <br>36. Change Of Plan (Unused) (5:47)Rogue One is a bit of an odd one. From what I'd heard, Desplat had joined on the condition he'd be allowed to do his own thing and not ape Williams. But once they decided to overhaul the film, they pressured him to go that exact direction. Things stayed still for a while (in which he still got paid) before he was finally let go very late into production. So the idea he sorta just left is interesting, so I'm curious to hear what that was about.<br><br>For BW, it seems very likely to me that Marvel simply were unsure about Alexandre's music, so I'm guessing they hired Balfe to do some demos and decided from there. Who knows what the exact timeline is, but I'd wager it'd have to at least be this year if he's been on it a bit. Especially with AD's name having stayed on the posters during it.
Hybrid, Desplat left Rogue One just for his own idea? I know he left that movie beacuse schedule conflict for the reshoots. <br>But for Black Widow seems that the replacement was since months ago with Lorne writing and recording the score at the same timeht tp:// filmmusicreporter. com/2020/04/01/ track-list-for-disneys-live-action-mulan -soundtrack-album-revealed/<br><br>Why release a tracklist for an album that won't be released for another 6 months at least. That's just a punch in the gut, in my opinionSo it won't be a last minute and hasty job?No idea but he was on it for a bit, I think.Hybrid, do you know how long Lorne had to score?
Score is recorded already.Yup, which makes me wonder if they had to wait before announcing it, considering Desplat was still being listed in posters prior to the delay.I think Lorne teased this some time ago by sending a picture of researching Russian music on insta (maybe)Hello, <br><br>I'm looking for the translation of the song God Yu Tekkem Laef Blong Mi in English of French.<br><br>Could anyone help me ? <br><br>Thank you !you can't, it's only an info for the complete score
According To Filmmusicreporter.com, it Is true Lorne Balfe Is Scoring Black Widow.<br><br>Wow this guy Is the Best, this is the first time balfe scoring an MCU since Iron Man(worked as an additional music). I can't believe that Alexandre Desplat, who is a good composer left the film just like I remember Rogue One. Well, Now i Hope that Lorne Balfe makes a great score just like he does always.Comes out on April 3rd. Keep hearing that the music is very Lion King style.How can i download it?Replaced ?<br><br><br>On the first he just sort of left. Wouldn't be surprised to be the case here again.Someone at Disney really wants Desplat gone. This is the second time he has been replaced on a major assignment.
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Hans ZimmerLorne BalfeAtli ÖrvarssonGeoff Zanelli
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Angels & Demons
Label: Sony Classics
Length: 54'17
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  1. 160 BPM (6:42)
    Hans Zimmer
  2. God Particle (5:20)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Atli Örvarsson, Mel Wesson
  3. Air (9:08)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Atli Örvarsson, Geoff Zanelli, Mel Wesson
  4. Fire (6:51)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  5. Black Smoke (5:45)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Mel Wesson
  6. Science And Religion (12:27)
    Hans Zimmer
  7. Immolation (3:38)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  8. Election By Adoration (2:12)
    Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
  9. 503 (2:14)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  10. Bonus Track : H2O (1:51)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Atli Örvarsson
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Miles reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-16 00:00:00
Don't forget Pirates of the Caribbean. Hans wrote the iconic main theme for the first one and pulled off the other two with flying colors, in my opinion.

Schwarzaugen reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-16 00:00:00
the greatest composer ever and fprever! all the time is hans zimmer
you are the god of music danke HANS ZIMMER

Anon-Y-Mous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-15 00:00:00
Film order edit:
1. Main titles
2. Antimatter
3. Sealing Conclave
4. To Raphael's Tomb
5. Air
6. Fire
7. Cross Rome
8. The Illuminati Church
9. The Camerlengo's Destiny
10. Election By Adoration
11. The Cross Keys
12. Immolation
13. The Last Preferiti
15. End Credits (I60 BPM)

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-13 00:00:00
My theory about all this : Before hans wrote around 90-100 % of his soundtracks, and 90 % of his arrangements. Thin Red Line for instance , was completely hans, thats the true hans. All the melanesian chants are arranged by klaus Badelt. The rest of the orchestral dramatic score is 100 % Zimmer.


Same thing for Rain man, crimson tide, backdraft, lion king , peacemaker, as good as it gets, its true hans. Even if for lion king , in the movie you can hear 1 or 2 tracks that are clearly not hans but more Nick glennie smith ( and these are the LESS interesting tracks by the way, go figure.. :) )

For me, one of the last Zimmer solo effort in recent years is Gladiator. It was the last Zimmer soundtrack to be composed almost entirely by him. Progeny, The battle, Earth, honor him.. its all Zimmer. The result is a great soundtrack , one of his most famous soundtrack... go figure ;)

Oh no , I dont mean Zimmer is less good nowadays, it's still great. But the method changed. Zimmer writes big suites, from fifteen to fifty minutes long, where he develops all the themes, with detailed arrangements. Then he gives these suites to his additionnal writers and they "apply" the themes on one particular scene of the movie.
Then he gives lot of directions on how one cue must sound, express, etc... He's not laying on santa monica beach while his ghost writers work hard in a deep cave :D

This is an interesting method, and after all , it's still Zimmer writing, zimmer point of view. When i hear henry jackman solo score, atli orvarsson Babylon A.D, man I think it sounds good but that it lacks something. It lacks a personal voice, it lacks a memorable melody ( can you sing a melody in babylon AD ? )
So all this to say Zimmer scores are still Zimmer. It's just a little less personal than it was in the beginning of his career.

Pridelander/Miya reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-13 00:00:00
I didn't intend to participate this kind of discussion (it occurs everywhere and never ends!) but just one thing to say...

>no name
>My theory is that he writes main theme(s) and says: "Ok boys/girls - you'll do the rest". Just check Simpsons or Holiday tracklist.

Multiple people credited doesn't always mean Zimmer worked less, I believe. From what I've heard (in Zimmer's interviews or Casi Divas director's blog, The Weather Man making video, etc.), his process, at least on projects like The Holiday, is more teamwork-oriented, or "rock band" type process. He gathers musicians (instrumentalists, vocalists, fellow composers) in his room, and they "jam" his tunes, improvise, give ideas and opinions, and discuss together.

Is this kind of process wrong? I don't think so. I even think he couldn't create something like The Holiday without other musicians... What I love about this score is, that it feels like I'm in a room filled with musicians. Isn't it great? :)

Of course projects like Pirates 1 must be different. I don't know about Simpsons, which I don't have. But I just wanted to say many names in credits doesn't mean bad quality.

Bettmusicmaker reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-13 00:00:00
I love the music. I don't care who wrote how much ... it's awesome!

I came to this site to find out about the lyrics, especially for 160 BPM. It seems like others are wondering, too. So, I went to my sources in the music industry and learned that this is a real choir -- no synthesizer! It's the Los Angeles Master Chorale. Apparently they are not listed on the CD jacket due to licensing issues. (I don't think anyone understands how Hollywood works!)

I've been told that the text is Latin (as expected). My sources are working on getting the actual text; once I have that information I will post it here for others.

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
He wrote around 4 hours of music for Lion King too, I remember. Only about 65 min was used in the final film. The man's really hard working, hehe.

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
@DemonStar

That's my point. He was hard working man. Now it seems that he prefers to others do his job.

@Adrian
There is hope
http://www.petitiononline.com/ttrlcut/petition.html

maybe with film they will release 5/6 CD complete score:)

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
Well, he still does most of the job and the RC people "polish" it a bit and provide a few additional cues.

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
My theory is that he writes main theme(s) and says: "Ok boys/girls - you'll do the rest". Just check Simpsons or Holiday tracklist.

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
I think he gives credit to whoever worked on the tracks with him. Doesn't mean he wasn't involved.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
Don't record companies they can make millions if they're going to release ''complete directoral box sets'' or whatever a promotion bureau thinks of it?

and yes, i heard more of the theory that you're talking about... more like a supervising composer.
but, i still like his work a lot! i dont mind how many people are involved, as long they are credited or when it sounds very very good :P

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-11 00:00:00
That is a lot... I heard he also wrote 5 hours for BHD, but I do think that his students have contributed a lot on Prince of Egypt/ Thin red Line. But that's just me, perhaps you're right.. Perhaps I am, we will never know for sure. Or they will have to release a complete score someday someway hehe

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-11 00:00:00
No 100% but I bet over 85% (Hans wrote over 6 hrs of music for TRL).

Skyler reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
"As a young student of art, Langdon had wondered how single artists could create so *much* work in their lifetimes. Later he learned, much to his disappointment, that famous artists actually created very little of their own work. They ran studios where they trained young artists to carry out their designs. Sculptors like Bernini created miniatures in clay and hired others to enlarge them into marble. Langdon knew that if Bernini had been required to *personally* complete all of his commissions, he would still be working today."
- Angels & Demons, chapter 84

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
I don't hate Hans or any other composer. I love his work. But I don't like his politics to use others work.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
''No name'' read what Skyler quoted.

I Love You Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
Adrian I completely agree with you.

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
I prefer one great album a year than 6 medium. Look what Hans did in 1998 - Thin Red Line and Prince of Egypt - 2 absolutely stunning scores. I just prefer quality over quantity. But i can understand that he want's to help his students - although I don't like it.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
Thanks I Love You Hans :)

No name, do you think The thin red Line or the Prince of Egypt are 100% Hans?
Guess again :)

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
Yeah, Holiday - 2 tracks by hz (most of it was copied from Once Upon a Time in America), rest by co-workers; The Simpsons - same case. When i'm listening JW album ( or any other music composer that actually writes entire album), i know that "music by john williams" is a true statement. When i'm listening HZ albums, i'm wondering - who made this?

Like I've said: last few years bring 2 or 3 masterpiece albums, others are solid, but nothing extraoridinary.


@ I Love You Hans

Don't compare JW and HZ - Jaws, Star Wars, Indiana Jones - those albums won't die. HZ wrote few unforgetible themes, but...

I Love You Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
I don't think that Jaws, Star Wars, Indiana Jones are better than Crimson Tide or The Rock or The Thin Red Line, The Last Samurai, Gladiator, BHD, Tears of sun, The Da Vinci Code or Angels & Demons and let's not say Batman Begins & The Dark Knight because those two albums only are better than Williams whole career, and I'm not surprised that you're Williams fan because Zimmer's Attackers always are :) I think no one can be a fan of both you can never love both because they're different styles but i think Hans is better.

I'm not here! reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
Hey "I Love You Hans"... I like both! John Williams and Hans Zimmer are my favourite composers. True their type of soundtrack is different... So SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Are you a anti-John Williams fan??? You sound like one!

I Love You Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
Williams is good but Hans WoW he's unbelievable he's really better than Williams IMO, I'm not saying that Williams is bad but he's not the god of music, also James Newton Howard is one of the greatest and most talented composers ever and he's better than Williams, also hating or loving Williams isn't the question that you'll find its answer here you're in the wrong place baby, also most of the people who attacks Zimmer most of them are Williams fans and thats true ''no name'' is an example. So live with that and don't be angry.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
I do not think it is possible to say so easily who is better than who.
And you cannot compare Hans and Johns style of composing, they're completely different.
@ ''I love you Hans''; it's generally personal to say ''(...) is better than (...), thats the beautiful thing about music; there millions of styles and million kinds of taste.
The comparison of Jaws with the Crimson Tide... Let's put it this way: you're now comparing a dangerous shark with a human built submarine. How can you say ''I like the submarine more'' what's your argumentation for that?
Funny how this example resembles the musical styles of both composers too :P

Personally, I think John is a very good composer but not always very ''easy listening''.

robert langdon reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-08 00:00:00
edit : *no name*

robert langdon reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-08 00:00:00
noone listen to no mane. he's just trolling.

I Love You Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-07 00:00:00
Well and i said 125 amazing albums, Amazing Albums.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-07 00:00:00
@I Love You Hans:

Judge based on quality, not quantity...

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