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Hybrid, do you think that the Snyder´s Cut could really exist somewhere? Let alone with Tom´s score, do you think that he even began scoring the film? I would love to see that version. Thank you for your answerBalfe is one of the few that hasn’t got additional writers<br>=================================<br><br><br>Even composers who do one or two movies a year receive help. So it's very, very hard for me to believe that Balfe - with the amount of movies he works on now - is out there by himself, scoring it all by himself. It's simply not possible. And this is the MV/RC world after all. Composers help each other all the time. And many of these collaborations don't even make it to this site. It's very hard to keep track of everything.imo whedon and elfman screwed up the movie, i'd say Zacks original cut would be better, then again thats just me thoPerhaps. But it would be a disrespect to Whedon and Elfman. Okay. If that means more money on the table, they will.HOPE NEVER DIES.<br><br>Sources confirm this days on social media that Zack Snyder Original Cut of Justice League not only exists, but have VFX's work and Junkie XL's score on it.<br><br>That could be really EPIC.<br><br>The Fight for this can happens is bigger every minute passes, dont lose the faith, not now.
Cannot freaking wait!"Balfe is one of the few that hasn’t got additional writers"<br><br>As if. Just look through this site and you'll see additional guys credited for lots of his scores. Max Aruj, Steffen Thum, Thomas Farnon, Andrew Kawczynski on some projects...he's a very busy guy but I promise you he doesn't do every single second of his 15 scores a year on his own.Bayhem - Balfe is one of the few that hasn’t got additional writers though.which films has this small army of ghostwriters ???!!!!!!You say Balfe worked on the last Transformers(2017). Okay. He may have been called by the Paramount. However, his involvement with the franchise in 2005 and in the following years happened because of the RCP and Zimmer's direct involvement in the project. There in 2005, 2007, 2011, 2014 he was a guest of RCP/MV and no received no call for help of the Paramount. There is no other way.he worked on the first transformers . And did a lot. Why not ask him on twitter .<br>.....................................<br><br><br>I've asked him a lot of stuff. We're Facebook friends. And yes, I know he worked on the first one. I clearly said it a couple of times in my replies here. He worked on the first one and the second one as well. But if you try to imply that Balfe deserves the credit for these scores, you are way, way off the mark. And it's very disrespectful to Jablonsky. Very.<br><br>Now, clearly you like Balfe a lot. Fine. But please don't undermine a far more experienced and successful composer like Jablonsky, just because Balfe is the "hot MV/RC composer" at the moment. We, the Jablonsky fans, certainly didn't act that way in 2007 when Jablonsky's name was everywhere and people were going crazy for the Transformers score. No one denies that Balfe worked hard on the Transformers films. But he's not the "main guy". Just like a lot of MV/RC composers have worked on HIS scores and they're not the main composers. You think Balfe scores all of his movies alone? Nope. Like any other successful and busy composer out there, he's supported by a small army of ghostwriters.
Studio = Paramount and he worked on the first transformers . And did a lot. Why not ask him on twitter . I did !!!!!!Balfe never worked for Jablonsky =========================================<br><br>By "worked for Jablonsky" I meant he worked ON Jablonsky scores. And as James said, it's all MV/RC anyway. They all know each other and help each other. The first Transformers movie started post-production at the end of 2006. Back then no one knew who Balfe was (aside from the biggest MV/RC fans). His big break arguably came in 2009-2010. Years after the first Transformers movie. So no matter how we spin it, he still came after Jablonsky. Jablonsky is his senior and obviously has much more experience. And we have to respect that. <br><br>That was my point.Should have gotten one for Interstellar, not this."Strength And Honor" is a forerunner to the main theme of King Arthur and also the theme for Transformers!<br><br>I was listening to the soundtrack and unwittingly the music sent me to these two other movies. :Dhe says he was brought in by the studio.<br><br>-----------------------------------------------<br><br>Studio = RCP = Hans Zimmer credit as producer of the score.<br>In end of day is the same thing.
Maybe a honorary in the future.Bayhem - your wrong on a couple of points . Balfe never worked for Jablonsky .In a recent podcast he was asked about Transformers and he says he was brought in by the studio.seems the same with the lastest Film also.its pretty obvious the temp for the end is 13 Hours also.A "spanish" score. This is great!An Oscar (or at lease a nomination) for Dunkirk or Blade Runner ; it would be great from the academy to reward this kind of score. In the last decade, only Gravity had also this kind of """""sound desing""""""" score.I think you're forgetting that Balfe also ghostwrote The Lord of the Rings<br>==================================<br><br>Hahaha, but of course! Howard Shore and John Williams are actually Balfe alter-egos. He's actually 155 years old and he's solely responsible for all of these iconic scores. Hell, I heard he did some additional work on Psycho as well. And Gone with the Wind. lol!<br><br><br>Now, let me say something else in regards to the claim that Balfe did this score. All kidding aside, it would've (I guess...) made sense to make such a claim if this score was done by someone UNtested. But this is Jablonsky we're talking! He's one of Balfe's mentors. Look back and you'll see that Balfe started working not only on Zimmer scores, but on Jablonsky scores as well.<br><br>So yes, Balfe is good and all, but let's not act as if he's "the greatest in the world". And let's respect and NOT undermine the more senior MV/RC composers who gave the guy a shot. Thank you.
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Angels & Demons
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  1. 160 BPM (6:42)
    Hans Zimmer
  2. God Particle (5:20)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Atli Örvarsson, Mel Wesson
  3. Air (9:08)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Atli Örvarsson, Geoff Zanelli, Mel Wesson
  4. Fire (6:51)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  5. Black Smoke (5:45)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Mel Wesson
  6. Science And Religion (12:27)
    Hans Zimmer
  7. Immolation (3:38)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  8. Election By Adoration (2:12)
    Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
  9. 503 (2:14)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  10. Bonus Track : H2O (1:51)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Atli Örvarsson
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Kerem KOBUL reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-16 00:00:00
To be honest so far i thought that even Zimmer has been repeating himself in his works for a while; every soundtrack resembled one another and you could feel the motives of Badelt, Doyle etc. in various scores. Furthermore, I wouldn't expect there would be another original, authentic, unique score like the last samurai, gladiator or as good as it gets soundtracks, I was even disappointed by the score of da vinci code. However, this work has got the privilege of being one of your masterpieces, Hans, great job, well done. Last but not least, THANK YOU for producing sucha good work.

Anon-Y-Mous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-15 00:00:00
Film order edit:
1. Main titles
2. Antimatter
3. Sealing Conclave
4. To Raphael's Tomb
5. Air
6. Fire
7. Cross Rome
8. The Illuminati Church
9. The Camerlengo's Destiny
10. Election By Adoration
11. The Cross Keys
12. Immolation
13. The Last Preferiti
15. End Credits (I60 BPM)

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-13 00:00:00
My theory about all this : Before hans wrote around 90-100 % of his soundtracks, and 90 % of his arrangements. Thin Red Line for instance , was completely hans, thats the true hans. All the melanesian chants are arranged by klaus Badelt. The rest of the orchestral dramatic score is 100 % Zimmer.


Same thing for Rain man, crimson tide, backdraft, lion king , peacemaker, as good as it gets, its true hans. Even if for lion king , in the movie you can hear 1 or 2 tracks that are clearly not hans but more Nick glennie smith ( and these are the LESS interesting tracks by the way, go figure.. :) )

For me, one of the last Zimmer solo effort in recent years is Gladiator. It was the last Zimmer soundtrack to be composed almost entirely by him. Progeny, The battle, Earth, honor him.. its all Zimmer. The result is a great soundtrack , one of his most famous soundtrack... go figure ;)

Oh no , I dont mean Zimmer is less good nowadays, it's still great. But the method changed. Zimmer writes big suites, from fifteen to fifty minutes long, where he develops all the themes, with detailed arrangements. Then he gives these suites to his additionnal writers and they "apply" the themes on one particular scene of the movie.
Then he gives lot of directions on how one cue must sound, express, etc... He's not laying on santa monica beach while his ghost writers work hard in a deep cave :D

This is an interesting method, and after all , it's still Zimmer writing, zimmer point of view. When i hear henry jackman solo score, atli orvarsson Babylon A.D, man I think it sounds good but that it lacks something. It lacks a personal voice, it lacks a memorable melody ( can you sing a melody in babylon AD ? )
So all this to say Zimmer scores are still Zimmer. It's just a little less personal than it was in the beginning of his career.

Pridelander/Miya reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-13 00:00:00
I didn't intend to participate this kind of discussion (it occurs everywhere and never ends!) but just one thing to say...

>no name
>My theory is that he writes main theme(s) and says: "Ok boys/girls - you'll do the rest". Just check Simpsons or Holiday tracklist.

Multiple people credited doesn't always mean Zimmer worked less, I believe. From what I've heard (in Zimmer's interviews or Casi Divas director's blog, The Weather Man making video, etc.), his process, at least on projects like The Holiday, is more teamwork-oriented, or "rock band" type process. He gathers musicians (instrumentalists, vocalists, fellow composers) in his room, and they "jam" his tunes, improvise, give ideas and opinions, and discuss together.

Is this kind of process wrong? I don't think so. I even think he couldn't create something like The Holiday without other musicians... What I love about this score is, that it feels like I'm in a room filled with musicians. Isn't it great? :)

Of course projects like Pirates 1 must be different. I don't know about Simpsons, which I don't have. But I just wanted to say many names in credits doesn't mean bad quality.

Bettmusicmaker reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-13 00:00:00
I love the music. I don't care who wrote how much ... it's awesome!

I came to this site to find out about the lyrics, especially for 160 BPM. It seems like others are wondering, too. So, I went to my sources in the music industry and learned that this is a real choir -- no synthesizer! It's the Los Angeles Master Chorale. Apparently they are not listed on the CD jacket due to licensing issues. (I don't think anyone understands how Hollywood works!)

I've been told that the text is Latin (as expected). My sources are working on getting the actual text; once I have that information I will post it here for others.

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
He wrote around 4 hours of music for Lion King too, I remember. Only about 65 min was used in the final film. The man's really hard working, hehe.

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
@DemonStar

That's my point. He was hard working man. Now it seems that he prefers to others do his job.

@Adrian
There is hope
http://www.petitiononline.com/ttrlcut/petition.html

maybe with film they will release 5/6 CD complete score:)

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
Well, he still does most of the job and the RC people "polish" it a bit and provide a few additional cues.

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
My theory is that he writes main theme(s) and says: "Ok boys/girls - you'll do the rest". Just check Simpsons or Holiday tracklist.

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
I think he gives credit to whoever worked on the tracks with him. Doesn't mean he wasn't involved.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
Don't record companies they can make millions if they're going to release ''complete directoral box sets'' or whatever a promotion bureau thinks of it?

and yes, i heard more of the theory that you're talking about... more like a supervising composer.
but, i still like his work a lot! i dont mind how many people are involved, as long they are credited or when it sounds very very good :P

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-11 00:00:00
That is a lot... I heard he also wrote 5 hours for BHD, but I do think that his students have contributed a lot on Prince of Egypt/ Thin red Line. But that's just me, perhaps you're right.. Perhaps I am, we will never know for sure. Or they will have to release a complete score someday someway hehe

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-11 00:00:00
No 100% but I bet over 85% (Hans wrote over 6 hrs of music for TRL).

Skyler reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
"As a young student of art, Langdon had wondered how single artists could create so *much* work in their lifetimes. Later he learned, much to his disappointment, that famous artists actually created very little of their own work. They ran studios where they trained young artists to carry out their designs. Sculptors like Bernini created miniatures in clay and hired others to enlarge them into marble. Langdon knew that if Bernini had been required to *personally* complete all of his commissions, he would still be working today."
- Angels & Demons, chapter 84

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
I don't hate Hans or any other composer. I love his work. But I don't like his politics to use others work.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
''No name'' read what Skyler quoted.

I Love You Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
Adrian I completely agree with you.

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
I prefer one great album a year than 6 medium. Look what Hans did in 1998 - Thin Red Line and Prince of Egypt - 2 absolutely stunning scores. I just prefer quality over quantity. But i can understand that he want's to help his students - although I don't like it.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
Thanks I Love You Hans :)

No name, do you think The thin red Line or the Prince of Egypt are 100% Hans?
Guess again :)

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
Yeah, Holiday - 2 tracks by hz (most of it was copied from Once Upon a Time in America), rest by co-workers; The Simpsons - same case. When i'm listening JW album ( or any other music composer that actually writes entire album), i know that "music by john williams" is a true statement. When i'm listening HZ albums, i'm wondering - who made this?

Like I've said: last few years bring 2 or 3 masterpiece albums, others are solid, but nothing extraoridinary.


@ I Love You Hans

Don't compare JW and HZ - Jaws, Star Wars, Indiana Jones - those albums won't die. HZ wrote few unforgetible themes, but...

I Love You Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
I don't think that Jaws, Star Wars, Indiana Jones are better than Crimson Tide or The Rock or The Thin Red Line, The Last Samurai, Gladiator, BHD, Tears of sun, The Da Vinci Code or Angels & Demons and let's not say Batman Begins & The Dark Knight because those two albums only are better than Williams whole career, and I'm not surprised that you're Williams fan because Zimmer's Attackers always are :) I think no one can be a fan of both you can never love both because they're different styles but i think Hans is better.

I'm not here! reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
Hey "I Love You Hans"... I like both! John Williams and Hans Zimmer are my favourite composers. True their type of soundtrack is different... So SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Are you a anti-John Williams fan??? You sound like one!

I Love You Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
Williams is good but Hans WoW he's unbelievable he's really better than Williams IMO, I'm not saying that Williams is bad but he's not the god of music, also James Newton Howard is one of the greatest and most talented composers ever and he's better than Williams, also hating or loving Williams isn't the question that you'll find its answer here you're in the wrong place baby, also most of the people who attacks Zimmer most of them are Williams fans and thats true ''no name'' is an example. So live with that and don't be angry.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
I do not think it is possible to say so easily who is better than who.
And you cannot compare Hans and Johns style of composing, they're completely different.
@ ''I love you Hans''; it's generally personal to say ''(...) is better than (...), thats the beautiful thing about music; there millions of styles and million kinds of taste.
The comparison of Jaws with the Crimson Tide... Let's put it this way: you're now comparing a dangerous shark with a human built submarine. How can you say ''I like the submarine more'' what's your argumentation for that?
Funny how this example resembles the musical styles of both composers too :P

Personally, I think John is a very good composer but not always very ''easy listening''.

robert langdon reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-08 00:00:00
edit : *no name*

robert langdon reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-08 00:00:00
noone listen to no mane. he's just trolling.

I Love You Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-07 00:00:00
Well and i said 125 amazing albums, Amazing Albums.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-07 00:00:00
@I Love You Hans:

Judge based on quality, not quantity...

Emeka reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-07 00:00:00
This is for anyone to answer what are the lyrics to 160 bpm in Angels and Demons?

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