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I think that Tim Miller played a greater role in case of Terminator and Sonic. And I really don't see Junkie as good choice for Avatar 2.@Edmund <br>I still stand by my opinion that Holkenborg scoring Avatar 2 could be pretty interesting. Pairing him up with a director who is known to be strict with his musical choices and continuing on from James Hornerís classic might produce something really good. And seeing his gradual progress as a composer with Mortal Engines and Alita have personally given me some hope (2 years ago I would have said hell no).<br><br>And Iím not surprised by the choice for T6. Not looking forward to this project at all but we did get a cool score from Balfe for the last one so maybe there is some hope for the music at least.I think Terminator is a decent match for JXL's talents (listen to "The March" from Divergent), but this feels like further evidence that James Cameron is grooming him for Avatar 2, which I really hope ends up not being the case.Yes, Tom will be scoring the new Terminator movieChill out Bayhem, if you read my first sentence you can see I dismisded this rumor as crap.<br>But seeing people from his team ivolved and considering the fast and furious situation, I canít help but wondering if thereís some truth to that rumor.<br>Now for a guy talking about haters, saying that Lorne scores 36million projects and B movies (forgetting mission impossible) I think youíre pushing it a bit.<br>Anyway no hate I donít care who wrote it Iím just curious about the behind the scenes stuff.
You're reaching there a bit Bayhem, I see no one in this thread trying to undermine Steve's work or the score. Hell the first poster was just asking if Lorne worked on it and if so, to what extent. And the "rumor comment" is a logical extension of Lorne's whole regular team being credited on the score, therefore it is possible that he did additional work on it.Again a "rumor" comment that's trying to undermine Steve's work. And in this case, an entire score. Lorne fans, please stop trying to constantly undermine other composers in favor of your guy. It's childish and extremely disrespectful. You've done it multiple times on these boards. What's next? You gonna claim that Lorne secretly scored the entire Transformers franchise? And Lord of the Rings. And Harry Potter. <br><br>Seriously, it's getting really old, really fast. <br><br>Not to mention the fact that Steve, as a composer, is much, much more experienced and established than Lorne. He's got nothing to prove. Steve takes his time when it comes to scoring. He's choosing carefully. He's got more than enough time to focus on his projects. While Lorne's name is attached to 30 million different projects, some of them cheap B-movies like Hurricane Heist. And you think he's scoring them all by himself? The irony of it all is that if anyone is using ghostwriters most of the time, it's Lorne. Not Steve. And I'm saying that as a Lorne fan as well. I'm not just a Jablonsky fan. I appreciate Lorne's work as well. But I'm not undermining other composers in favor of him.Bay has Lorne scoring his films now cause they established a relationship on 13 Hours, and Bay didn't even want Lorne for that; he wanted Hans but he didn't want to go through the exhausting process of another Bay blockbuster so he brought in Lorne instead.<br>And even then, Hans still worked together with Lorne very closely on the project (Hybrid said he was there for all the meetings, helped with synth programming, etc)Of cause Balfe worked on it .That is why Bay now uses Balfeyou can absolutely hear the 13 hours temp track in Battlefield and We Have to Go
Not to mention that Steve and Lorne structure their power anthems differently.<br>To me this score sounds like 100% SteveI wouldn't say so, Lorne stacks his ostinatos and rhythms on top of each other (see Blackwood, Last Man on the Moon) and shotguns piano writing all over his scores in addition to using it for almost any kind of emotional scene (see Manny, Duck Shoot, Brothers Theme from Hurricane Heist)Well, if all we're using to distinguish Lorne is ostinatos and piano writing, then in that case, he's all over this film!The interesting thing is, that if Lorne did work on it, his work is indistinguishable from Steve's cause I hear none of his ostinatos or extensive piano writing.@Hybrid, a while ago I saw a rumor stating that Lorne Balfe ghostwrote this score and dismissed it as crap.<br>But looking at the credits I see some people from his team have been involved( his assistant Queenie Li as music coordinator, and Max Aruj and Steffen Thum did arrangements..)<br>Do you know why and to which extent he was involved or why his team worked on the score?
This little gem of a score is one of my favourites of Lorne's smaller projects.<br>Got a great main theme and varying instrumentations of it throughout, plus he's using a real orchestra which is always good. (Check out The Heist, very upbeat jazzy piece)Balfe - for anything than bad TV? How much did you smoke tonight? The Mission score must have been a studio decision but Balfe should not be allowed anywhere near a (any) franchise - the dude is a headcase and a total copycat. Tell me one piece that Balfe did that is original?Balfe - for anything than bad TV? How much did you smoke tonight? The Mission score must have been a studio decision but Balfe should not be allowed anywhere near a (any) franchise - the dude is a headcase and a total copycat. Tell me one piece that Balfe did that is original?Looking forward to what Ben's going to do with that movie.Hellboy coming by Sony Classical at 4/5/19
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Angels & Demons
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  1. 160 BPM (6:42)
    Hans Zimmer
  2. God Particle (5:20)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Atli ÷rvarsson, Mel Wesson
  3. Air (9:08)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Atli ÷rvarsson, Geoff Zanelli, Mel Wesson
  4. Fire (6:51)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  5. Black Smoke (5:45)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Mel Wesson
  6. Science And Religion (12:27)
    Hans Zimmer
  7. Immolation (3:38)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  8. Election By Adoration (2:12)
    Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
  9. 503 (2:14)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  10. Bonus Track : H2O (1:51)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Atli ÷rvarsson
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Kerem KOBUL reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-16 00:00:00
To be honest so far i thought that even Zimmer has been repeating himself in his works for a while; every soundtrack resembled one another and you could feel the motives of Badelt, Doyle etc. in various scores. Furthermore, I wouldn't expect there would be another original, authentic, unique score like the last samurai, gladiator or as good as it gets soundtracks, I was even disappointed by the score of da vinci code. However, this work has got the privilege of being one of your masterpieces, Hans, great job, well done. Last but not least, THANK YOU for producing sucha good work.

Anon-Y-Mous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-15 00:00:00
Film order edit:
1. Main titles
2. Antimatter
3. Sealing Conclave
4. To Raphael's Tomb
5. Air
6. Fire
7. Cross Rome
8. The Illuminati Church
9. The Camerlengo's Destiny
10. Election By Adoration
11. The Cross Keys
12. Immolation
13. The Last Preferiti
15. End Credits (I60 BPM)

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-13 00:00:00
My theory about all this : Before hans wrote around 90-100 % of his soundtracks, and 90 % of his arrangements. Thin Red Line for instance , was completely hans, thats the true hans. All the melanesian chants are arranged by klaus Badelt. The rest of the orchestral dramatic score is 100 % Zimmer.


Same thing for Rain man, crimson tide, backdraft, lion king , peacemaker, as good as it gets, its true hans. Even if for lion king , in the movie you can hear 1 or 2 tracks that are clearly not hans but more Nick glennie smith ( and these are the LESS interesting tracks by the way, go figure.. :) )

For me, one of the last Zimmer solo effort in recent years is Gladiator. It was the last Zimmer soundtrack to be composed almost entirely by him. Progeny, The battle, Earth, honor him.. its all Zimmer. The result is a great soundtrack , one of his most famous soundtrack... go figure ;)

Oh no , I dont mean Zimmer is less good nowadays, it's still great. But the method changed. Zimmer writes big suites, from fifteen to fifty minutes long, where he develops all the themes, with detailed arrangements. Then he gives these suites to his additionnal writers and they "apply" the themes on one particular scene of the movie.
Then he gives lot of directions on how one cue must sound, express, etc... He's not laying on santa monica beach while his ghost writers work hard in a deep cave :D

This is an interesting method, and after all , it's still Zimmer writing, zimmer point of view. When i hear henry jackman solo score, atli orvarsson Babylon A.D, man I think it sounds good but that it lacks something. It lacks a personal voice, it lacks a memorable melody ( can you sing a melody in babylon AD ? )
So all this to say Zimmer scores are still Zimmer. It's just a little less personal than it was in the beginning of his career.

Pridelander/Miya reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-13 00:00:00
I didn't intend to participate this kind of discussion (it occurs everywhere and never ends!) but just one thing to say...

>no name
>My theory is that he writes main theme(s) and says: "Ok boys/girls - you'll do the rest". Just check Simpsons or Holiday tracklist.

Multiple people credited doesn't always mean Zimmer worked less, I believe. From what I've heard (in Zimmer's interviews or Casi Divas director's blog, The Weather Man making video, etc.), his process, at least on projects like The Holiday, is more teamwork-oriented, or "rock band" type process. He gathers musicians (instrumentalists, vocalists, fellow composers) in his room, and they "jam" his tunes, improvise, give ideas and opinions, and discuss together.

Is this kind of process wrong? I don't think so. I even think he couldn't create something like The Holiday without other musicians... What I love about this score is, that it feels like I'm in a room filled with musicians. Isn't it great? :)

Of course projects like Pirates 1 must be different. I don't know about Simpsons, which I don't have. But I just wanted to say many names in credits doesn't mean bad quality.

Bettmusicmaker reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-13 00:00:00
I love the music. I don't care who wrote how much ... it's awesome!

I came to this site to find out about the lyrics, especially for 160 BPM. It seems like others are wondering, too. So, I went to my sources in the music industry and learned that this is a real choir -- no synthesizer! It's the Los Angeles Master Chorale. Apparently they are not listed on the CD jacket due to licensing issues. (I don't think anyone understands how Hollywood works!)

I've been told that the text is Latin (as expected). My sources are working on getting the actual text; once I have that information I will post it here for others.

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
He wrote around 4 hours of music for Lion King too, I remember. Only about 65 min was used in the final film. The man's really hard working, hehe.

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
@DemonStar

That's my point. He was hard working man. Now it seems that he prefers to others do his job.

@Adrian
There is hope
http://www.petitiononline.com/ttrlcut/petition.html

maybe with film they will release 5/6 CD complete score:)

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
Well, he still does most of the job and the RC people "polish" it a bit and provide a few additional cues.

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
My theory is that he writes main theme(s) and says: "Ok boys/girls - you'll do the rest". Just check Simpsons or Holiday tracklist.

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
I think he gives credit to whoever worked on the tracks with him. Doesn't mean he wasn't involved.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-12 00:00:00
Don't record companies they can make millions if they're going to release ''complete directoral box sets'' or whatever a promotion bureau thinks of it?

and yes, i heard more of the theory that you're talking about... more like a supervising composer.
but, i still like his work a lot! i dont mind how many people are involved, as long they are credited or when it sounds very very good :P

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-11 00:00:00
That is a lot... I heard he also wrote 5 hours for BHD, but I do think that his students have contributed a lot on Prince of Egypt/ Thin red Line. But that's just me, perhaps you're right.. Perhaps I am, we will never know for sure. Or they will have to release a complete score someday someway hehe

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-11 00:00:00
No 100% but I bet over 85% (Hans wrote over 6 hrs of music for TRL).

Skyler reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
"As a young student of art, Langdon had wondered how single artists could create so *much* work in their lifetimes. Later he learned, much to his disappointment, that famous artists actually created very little of their own work. They ran studios where they trained young artists to carry out their designs. Sculptors like Bernini created miniatures in clay and hired others to enlarge them into marble. Langdon knew that if Bernini had been required to *personally* complete all of his commissions, he would still be working today."
- Angels & Demons, chapter 84

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
I don't hate Hans or any other composer. I love his work. But I don't like his politics to use others work.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
''No name'' read what Skyler quoted.

I Love You Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
Adrian I completely agree with you.

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
I prefer one great album a year than 6 medium. Look what Hans did in 1998 - Thin Red Line and Prince of Egypt - 2 absolutely stunning scores. I just prefer quality over quantity. But i can understand that he want's to help his students - although I don't like it.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-10 00:00:00
Thanks I Love You Hans :)

No name, do you think The thin red Line or the Prince of Egypt are 100% Hans?
Guess again :)

no name reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
Yeah, Holiday - 2 tracks by hz (most of it was copied from Once Upon a Time in America), rest by co-workers; The Simpsons - same case. When i'm listening JW album ( or any other music composer that actually writes entire album), i know that "music by john williams" is a true statement. When i'm listening HZ albums, i'm wondering - who made this?

Like I've said: last few years bring 2 or 3 masterpiece albums, others are solid, but nothing extraoridinary.


@ I Love You Hans

Don't compare JW and HZ - Jaws, Star Wars, Indiana Jones - those albums won't die. HZ wrote few unforgetible themes, but...

I Love You Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
I don't think that Jaws, Star Wars, Indiana Jones are better than Crimson Tide or The Rock or The Thin Red Line, The Last Samurai, Gladiator, BHD, Tears of sun, The Da Vinci Code or Angels & Demons and let's not say Batman Begins & The Dark Knight because those two albums only are better than Williams whole career, and I'm not surprised that you're Williams fan because Zimmer's Attackers always are :) I think no one can be a fan of both you can never love both because they're different styles but i think Hans is better.

I'm not here! reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
Hey "I Love You Hans"... I like both! John Williams and Hans Zimmer are my favourite composers. True their type of soundtrack is different... So SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Are you a anti-John Williams fan??? You sound like one!

I Love You Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
Williams is good but Hans WoW he's unbelievable he's really better than Williams IMO, I'm not saying that Williams is bad but he's not the god of music, also James Newton Howard is one of the greatest and most talented composers ever and he's better than Williams, also hating or loving Williams isn't the question that you'll find its answer here you're in the wrong place baby, also most of the people who attacks Zimmer most of them are Williams fans and thats true ''no name'' is an example. So live with that and don't be angry.

Adrian reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-09 00:00:00
I do not think it is possible to say so easily who is better than who.
And you cannot compare Hans and Johns style of composing, they're completely different.
@ ''I love you Hans''; it's generally personal to say ''(...) is better than (...), thats the beautiful thing about music; there millions of styles and million kinds of taste.
The comparison of Jaws with the Crimson Tide... Let's put it this way: you're now comparing a dangerous shark with a human built submarine. How can you say ''I like the submarine more'' what's your argumentation for that?
Funny how this example resembles the musical styles of both composers too :P

Personally, I think John is a very good composer but not always very ''easy listening''.

robert langdon reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-08 00:00:00
edit : *no name*

robert langdon reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-08 00:00:00
noone listen to no mane. he's just trolling.

I Love You Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-07 00:00:00
Well and i said 125 amazing albums, Amazing Albums.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-07 00:00:00
@I Love You Hans:

Judge based on quality, not quantity...

Emeka reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-07 00:00:00
This is for anyone to answer what are the lyrics to 160 bpm in Angels and Demons?

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