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John Powell would be an amazing choice, if only to get him more mainstream exposure. <br><br>The thing is, if you strip away the drums, sound design, and harsh-mixing Tom is a actually a pretty gifted ďclassicalĒ composer imo. His string writing has always impressed me, and seeing his use of woodwinds in Alita definitely proved that he can write outside of the mold Hollywood had put him in post-Mad Max.<br><br>Avatar 2 is most likely going to need a pretty diverse score, if the first one is any indicator. James Horner combined traditional orchestra, tribal drums, ethnic elements, electronics, and masculine action writing. All of which I could see Tom doing quite well.Chrono order goes like this :<br><br>Dublin 1996<br>Driving<br>Deceit<br>Second Warning<br>First Warning<br>Research<br>Conversations<br>The Beating<br>Traynor Lies<br>Never Show Your Fear<br>Preparations<br>The Killing<br>Bad News<br>The Funeral<br>One More Day<br><br>But some tracks have cues edited together, and some titles are not exactly perfect lol...Atli is fine in Iceland, maybe he just doesn't want to look for trouble anymore... :)Lorne did work on this score. At the very end, when the film (and therefore, the score) was getting butchered by editors to shorten it, there was very little time to rework the score to adapt it to the new cut. So Steve called Lorne for help, who agreed but asked not to be credited (his team was, so it kinda defeated the purpose lol)... They didn't do THAT much on the score, but Battlefield is indeed a LB cue (it sounds nothing like SJ).<br><br>Not the first time this happened. Lorne extensively worked on TF1 & 2 (credited), but also helped (uncredited) on TF3 (there again, his assistant back then Andrew K. was credited).Alright, that's ^^ a bit too far, but I agree that there's not enough evidence to really support the theory. The only compositions that seem like Balfe might have had a hand in are the various reprises of "Bumblebee" (aka the Journey theme) that was always rumored to be co-composed by Balfe, and the big choral section in "Your Voice" when the knights begin attacking Optimus, as that is also a progression I associate heavily with Balfe's involvement in the first 2 scores. But that's still not enough to prove that he was involved.<br><br>By the way Bayhem, I don't believe that John Williams or Howard Shore have lied about doing their work by themselves. John Williams has worked with William Ross and probably others, but I don't think they're lying when they say they've done a score themselves. They seem like they can compose on their own just fine.
Yep, if "deserving" existed, Atli would've gotten many more movies than he currently does.Anyone know of a proper chronological listing of this score? I tried cross-referencing it with the expanded listed here and made this:<br><br>01 Dublin, 1996<br>02 <br>03 <br>04 <br>05 Second Warning<br>06 Research<br>07 Driving<br>08 The Beating<br>09 Traynor Lies<br>10 Never Show Your Fear<br>11 Preparations<br>12 The Killing<br>13 Bad News<br>14 The Funeral<br>15 One More Day<br><br>But I have no idea where Conversations, First Warning, and Deceit goes, and I'm not sure if Traynor Lies and Driving are placed correctlyif you read my first sentence you can see I dismisded this rumor as crap<br>..................<br><br>Fair enough....But look back on the comment itself. It's kinda confusing. The way you wrote it created the illusion that Lorne not only ghostwrote the score, but he also dismissed it as crap. You didn't say "I dismissed the rumor". You said: "...a rumor stating that Lorne Balfe ghostwrote this score and dismissed it as crap." <br> <br><br>Anyway, moving on.....<br><br>Steve was interviewed a lot about The Last Knight and it's pretty obvious that he worked hard on that score. From the day they started shooting the movie. Was he supported by other composers? Absolutely. You can't score such a huge movie by yourself. Any composer who claims that is lying.<br><br>So there's nothing shocking or surprising about the fact that other composers were involved here. As for them being "Lorne's people"......well, considering how MV/RC-related composers work and how interconnected everything is, the "Lorne guys" could very well be friends with Steve too and perhaps he simply brought them on board. Or they were recommended by Lorne. It certainly doesn't mean that there was this top secret plan of them and Lorne actually ghostwriting the entire score. I still wonder tho......how do these rumors even come up? Who spreads them? And why? I ask because this is not the first time I've heard rumors about Zimmer scores and Jablonsky scores. It's always these two guys. Which happen to be two of the most prominent and popular MV/RC guys. Coincidence? Not to sound like a conspiracy nut, but it kinda makes me think that someone is intentionally trying to undermine the biggest MV/RC names by constantly throwing shade at their work."Deserving" is a word that doesn't exist in Hollywood, so stop thinking that way... lolThe problem I have with Junkie XL scoring Avatar is just that there are so many RCP composers better or more deserving. You have Zimmer, Powell, Gregson-Williams, Mancina, Jackman, Wallfisch...it is just so wrong to think Junkie XL is scoring Avatar and none of those guys are.
I think that Tim Miller played a greater role in case of Terminator and Sonic. And I really don't see Junkie as good choice for Avatar 2.@Edmund <br>I still stand by my opinion that Holkenborg scoring Avatar 2 could be pretty interesting. Pairing him up with a director who is known to be strict with his musical choices and continuing on from James Hornerís classic might produce something really good. And seeing his gradual progress as a composer with Mortal Engines and Alita have personally given me some hope (2 years ago I would have said hell no).<br><br>And Iím not surprised by the choice for T6. Not looking forward to this project at all but we did get a cool score from Balfe for the last one so maybe there is some hope for the music at least.I think Terminator is a decent match for JXL's talents (listen to "The March" from Divergent), but this feels like further evidence that James Cameron is grooming him for Avatar 2, which I really hope ends up not being the case.Yes, Tom will be scoring the new Terminator movieChill out Bayhem, if you read my first sentence you can see I dismisded this rumor as crap.<br>But seeing people from his team ivolved and considering the fast and furious situation, I canít help but wondering if thereís some truth to that rumor.<br>Now for a guy talking about haters, saying that Lorne scores 36million projects and B movies (forgetting mission impossible) I think youíre pushing it a bit.<br>Anyway no hate I donít care who wrote it Iím just curious about the behind the scenes stuff.
You're reaching there a bit Bayhem, I see no one in this thread trying to undermine Steve's work or the score. Hell the first poster was just asking if Lorne worked on it and if so, to what extent. And the "rumor comment" is a logical extension of Lorne's whole regular team being credited on the score, therefore it is possible that he did additional work on it.Again a "rumor" comment that's trying to undermine Steve's work. And in this case, an entire score. Lorne fans, please stop trying to constantly undermine other composers in favor of your guy. It's childish and extremely disrespectful. You've done it multiple times on these boards. What's next? You gonna claim that Lorne secretly scored the entire Transformers franchise? And Lord of the Rings. And Harry Potter. <br><br>Seriously, it's getting really old, really fast. <br><br>Not to mention the fact that Steve, as a composer, is much, much more experienced and established than Lorne. He's got nothing to prove. Steve takes his time when it comes to scoring. He's choosing carefully. He's got more than enough time to focus on his projects. While Lorne's name is attached to 30 million different projects, some of them cheap B-movies like Hurricane Heist. And you think he's scoring them all by himself? The irony of it all is that if anyone is using ghostwriters most of the time, it's Lorne. Not Steve. And I'm saying that as a Lorne fan as well. I'm not just a Jablonsky fan. I appreciate Lorne's work as well. But I'm not undermining other composers in favor of him.Bay has Lorne scoring his films now cause they established a relationship on 13 Hours, and Bay didn't even want Lorne for that; he wanted Hans but he didn't want to go through the exhausting process of another Bay blockbuster so he brought in Lorne instead.<br>And even then, Hans still worked together with Lorne very closely on the project (Hybrid said he was there for all the meetings, helped with synth programming, etc)Of cause Balfe worked on it .That is why Bay now uses Balfeyou can absolutely hear the 13 hours temp track in Battlefield and We Have to Go
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Hans ZimmerLorne BalfeAtli ÷rvarssonGeoff Zanelli
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Angels & Demons
Label: Sony Classics
Length: 54'17
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  1. 160 BPM (6:42)
    Hans Zimmer
  2. God Particle (5:20)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Atli ÷rvarsson, Mel Wesson
  3. Air (9:08)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Atli ÷rvarsson, Geoff Zanelli, Mel Wesson
  4. Fire (6:51)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  5. Black Smoke (5:45)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Mel Wesson
  6. Science And Religion (12:27)
    Hans Zimmer
  7. Immolation (3:38)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  8. Election By Adoration (2:12)
    Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
  9. 503 (2:14)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  10. Bonus Track : H2O (1:51)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Atli ÷rvarsson
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Miles reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-14 00:00:00
The movie trailers section of Apple.com has a sneak peek at Hans scoring the film, with a new variation on the Da Vinci Code theme. Check it out, it sounds great!

Mr Tweedy reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-14 00:00:00
160 BPM probably means 160 Beats per Minute. This could mean the music has a very fast tempo !
I know Zimmer like to "comment" his own music in the track titles ("A Small Piece for Doumbek and Strings", "The Jablonsky Variations on a Theme by HZ", "Too Many Notes, Not Enough Rests"...) :P

fabien reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-14 00:00:00
So funny to see all these people exiting on this cd to be released !! As for me, I would wait to here it before rating the score ... but as each Zimmer's a masterpiece is coming...

Enrico reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-14 00:00:00
Thanks to DemonStar and to everybody!!! So there is a lots of mistery in the titles too...too cool Hans!!!
However, I hope that this CD will sell a lots of copies!!!

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-14 00:00:00
That was me below

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-14 00:00:00
It's present in the middle. I didn't remember it at first either but then it clicked suddenly. Check the portion where -

!!!SPOILERS!!!


Langdon and Vittoria are talking in the secret archives. :)

Kusi81 reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-14 00:00:00
@DemonStar: I also read the book and I didn't remember your explanation;)

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-14 00:00:00
@Kusi81 -

Thanks for that, interesting. But here, '503' means -



------!!!SPOILERS!!!--------------------------



In Roman numerals 503 is written "DIII", and it refers to Galileo's work "Diagramma", the third work beginning with the letter 'D'.

Sylvos reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-14 00:00:00
Mr Tweedy, that is letter "I" + 60 BPM. ;-)

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-13 00:00:00
Not bad. We should have an integration of electronics and orchestra/choir here signifying Science and Religion respectively. Can't wait!

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-13 00:00:00
Czar Mina i think you've never listened to any score by Hans before.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-12 00:00:00
if hans zimmer does it, u dont have to wait to listen to it in order to judge it!!!!!!u gotta be sure that its perfect!!!!!
shame on you CZAR MINA

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-11 00:00:00
I can't wait to see what Hans did in this score, i think its going to be an amazing score as always, anyway i really can't wait. Loved the cover

mom reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-11 00:00:00
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Czar Mina reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-11 00:00:00
waiting to listen .........
the davinci code was amazing i expect that this one will be perfect

teoperseoo reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-10 00:00:00
When the clips of the music?

Lee reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-09 00:00:00
exlibris.ch

1. 160 BPM (06:42)
2. God Particle (05:20)
3. Air (09:08)
4. Fire (06:51)
5. Black Smoke (05:45)
6. Science and Religion (12:27)
7. Immolation (03:38)
8. Election by Adoration (02:12)
9. 503 (02:14)

Sylvos reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-09 00:00:00
Assuming that Hans was indeed inspired to get violin solos on this project by James Newton Howard's work on Defiance, then perhaps he should talk to Michael Giacchino at some point to get some inspirations for track titles too!

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-08 00:00:00
Hans is now producing Steve S. Transformer 2 and Trevor Rabin's G-Force.

dan reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-07 00:00:00
maybe there is a chance that Hans can score ridley scott's robin hood movie. it has been awhile since these two worked together.

Mikel S.i.W (from Spain) reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-07 00:00:00
SUBLIME

shaadp reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-07 00:00:00
i don't think hans will take any substantial time off till after the third batman installment. he's currently got projects already on his plate for release this year and in the future. another james brooks film (2009 release maybe) and an animated film called rango (2011 release) from gore verbinski, just to name a few.

i suspect the tracks are 5 - 10 mins on average, with full orchestration and solos on the same tracks. this should be a good one, as i expect a lot of new material. does hans bring back the "thinking" theme for tom hanks' character? does he reprise chevaliers de sangreal? is the version in the trailer (which is different than da vinci) a peak at the new and expanded version? time will only tell.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-07 00:00:00
when is released the cd? ...

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-06 00:00:00
Wonder if they are nine long tracks, too bad not more of hanz's score

dan reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-06 00:00:00
so i am guessing that Hans will take the rest of the year off because of concert schedules that was discussed last year.

Enrico reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-05 00:00:00
Non pensavo ci fossero cosž tanti Italiani fan di Hans Zimmer!!! Sono molto contento!!! Ehi, mi raccomando, comprate il CD originale!!! ;-)

However, thanks to Falconet and DemonStar, I've seen only today that the Cover is ready and the tracklist too!!! I think it's really good!!!
But it's a bit stange to see "Violins solos"...what kind of music will be with "violin solo"?!
I've read on Wikipedia that Joshua Bell is one of the most important violinist now!!! Great!!!

However I've read the book and now I think that some track name are very strange...for example: the first and the last one: what is their meaning?!! I don't know...Then I waited a longer tracklist, but as DemonStar says, they should be very long...I hope it!!!
Bye!!!

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-05 00:00:00
Amazon has the tracklist now -

1. I60 BPM
2. God Particle
3. Air
4. Fire
5. Black Smoke
6. Science and Religion
7. Immolation
8. Election by Adoration
9. 503

They should be long tracks I think. From the track titles (judging by the corresponding book scenes) I deduce there'll be quite some action stuff too!

DemonStar reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-03 00:00:00
I hope the album will be a good balance between action and melodic music, and I hope Hans doesn't remove the action tracks like JNH did with Defiance. But I wholeheartedly applaud Hans for his decision to include violin solos because the plot and character emotion does get very complex near the end of the book, and I really want the music to reflect that.

So Hans, if you're reading this, don't forget to give us a fair amount of that dashing gothic choir action music on the CD too! ;)

ZimmerFan reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-03 00:00:00
Cover available on Amazon.com

Violin solos!!!!!!!!!

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