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Probably the only reason Goldsmith isn't in my top 3 is I haven't heard enough of his music. :pWallfisch is a good composer indeed, but BR2049 (and Dunkirk) were absolutely the wrong place for him. He's not a synth guy. He was originally a protege of Dario Marianelli, for heaven's sake - he's got a far more classical/orchestral sensibility. A score like Cure for Wellness is a much better fit for him. I'm not sure why Hans thought it was best to bring him of all people in on BR2049 when the more electronically-inclined Mazzaro/Kawczynski duo would have made more sense for a Blade Runner score (I say this based mostly on Chappie).Ian - no one is trying to compare Balfe to Zimmer !Firstly there is a 20 year age gap!!!Zimmer will always be the best in my eyes but doesnít harm saying someone else can be good <br><br>Still confused why this conversation is still troubling some.I remember saying last year that I thought Lego Batman was one of the best animation scores that year and it caused some to have heart attacks.there are a hand full of people that donít think he is either good or should be working .... we get !!!! <br><br><br><br>Edmund - given the rationality you've displayed in your comments, I'm disappointed Goldsmith isn't in your top three. ;)<br><br>In all seriousness, I'd put money on Powell fucking nailing the integration of Williams's theme. While Giacchino did a solid job on Jurassic World and Rogue One (I tend to think my assessment of the latter is a bit more positive than most), frankly I just think Powell is a far better composer - a genuine A-level guy, whereas Giacchino is moreso very competent without that spark of pure talent seen in Williams, Goldsmith, Elfman, Zimmer etcI think it's worth noting that Zimmer's popularity at this point is largely under his direct control - meaning that if he were to decide to stop touring, go back to writing full-time, and return to his 'epic' thematic style, I think we'd see a surge in his popularity of the sort we saw from Batman Begins through til Interstellar. However, I just don't think he's interested, which is totally his right.<br><br>I certainly agree that the RCP proteges at this point are, frankly, shit compared to how they used to be. I mean, even a guy like Steve Mazzaro (who I genuinely like and who wrote some of the coolest cues in Chappie, and basically co-wrote BvS - a score I actually like) just utterly pales in comparison to the Powell era.<br><br>Actually, I have to take that back a bit; Wallfisch is a very, very talented guy, honestly so much better than someone like Junkie that I weirdly tend to forget he's under the RCP roof now.
@HunterTech<br><br>"I only get annoyed when people decide he's suddenly the most amazing thing ever, which he really isn't. Even on his most competent scores, it's unlikely many would recognize him as one of the greats. Respect him, sure, but not think he's out of this world."<br><br>Exactly. Hans, for all the criticism he gets (much of it for good reason), has written some of the best film music of all time (seriously, having listened to huge amounts of Williams and Goldsmith, I still find Science & Religion my favorite cue ever). On the other hand, Lorne has written innumerable adequate-to-good scores, but none that I can recall are iconic. I'd say the closest he's come is in the form of his contributions to some of Zimmer's work (personally, I think his Kick It theme is the most interesting of those in Inception), but even then he hasn't done anything as memorable as Djawadi's theme from Batman Begins.Michael - reread the second half of my previous comment. And no, I don't think Genius or Churchill are no good; I wasn't impressed by the second, to be honest, but Genius is really cool - like an updated version of Frost/Nixon, one of my very favorite Zimmer/RCP scores.<br><br>Edmund - much appreciated.<br><br>Overall, I too am baffled by many of these comments; clearly there is a middle ground between "Lorne is shit." and "Lorne is absolutely amazing.", but this seems to be missed.<br><br>And by the way, I'm actually super happy for Lorne's success - I think he deserves it given the quality and quantity of his work, and he seems like a super nice guy to boot (how many composers regularly respond to people on Facebook?). However, this doesn't mean I can't simultaneously point out the fact that much of his work is very, very similar to work he's done previously. Indeed, I think this is more of an issue for Lorne than Hans, perhaps because he takes on sooooooo many projects.I agree. His Justice League theme is just a deconstruct of his Batman theme. Clever, yeah sure - he's done similar things with the Men In Black sequels and I'm sure there's others I can't think of right now - but I personally dont consider Elfman's involvement in this new DCEU to be very welcome. Zimmer paints a different canvas than Elfman, and I love both their works.It was a missed opportunity.<br>Yeah... I'm not sure about Elfman's wave. The guy decided to bring back his old Batman theme instead of actually writing a new one. He has to re-invent himself. <br>
Seven with ZimmerYeah, Silvestri, Newman, Goldenthal and JNH too. The six most popular "new" composers, along with Horner, of the  80's and 90's.I saw a few clips from the movie on youtube. The score sounded really good. Very unlike Djawadi and very beautiful fantasy music! Can't waitI saw a few clips from the movie on youtube. The score sounded really good. Very unlike Djawadi and very beautiful fantasy music! Can't waitHonestly, I do feel bad for Elfman, because for Chrissakes hes been doing 50 Shades of Grey these days, and the last memorable scores I have of him are from 2012. But I don't think Zimmer or even Elfman for that matter are done as yet. I predict by the end of this decade Zimmer will have a new wave in popularity wash in. I'm just waiting for Elfman's wave right now...not quite seeing it yet.
Glad you caught it Rockhound. Think the others were too wound up to notice !!i was trying to be funny.Pete you are funny, although u demand from others to talk about the actual soundtrack from this page, you start to talk also about another soundtrack. but ok.... i think Forgotten is a very boring track and adds nothing to the actual scene. a variation of his theme from the track Hero would have been much more intense for the ending. sadly we got 9 boring minutes of thematic development and instrumentation. Lorne can do much better as the track Hero from the same soundtrack shows.Zimmer got X-Men: Dark Phoenix this year. And I have a hard time believing he is only scoring that film this year. Zimmer always does more than 1 film a year.No need for petty cursing .<br><br>We can discuss the soundtrack instead ! <br><br>Forgotten is cool track.Itís definitely one of Bayís best movies. Wish he would make more drama based film obvious with some action. Canít cope with more robots ! The ending of the film is so emotional and this track gave goosebumps at the end. Did sound very similar to the end of The Last Knight"Boring . Talk about the actual soundtrack or change the subject."<br><br>Ok, so someone else gets us on this topic, an arguement occurs, and NOW, only when you've realized you're losing the arguement, do you decide that this page is only for 12 strong. Which it's not. This is a forum we talk about whatever we want here.<br><br>But what a childish and pathetic attempt at avoiding our points. Just dismissively saying "Boring! Change the subject! My ears can't handle this criticism!!! Wah, wah, wah!" I guarantee you the next step after this is going to be petty cursing.
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Trevor RabinSteve JablonskyHarry Gregson-WilliamsPaul Linford
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Bad Boys II (Complete Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 133'28
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  1. Main Titles (4:19)
  2. Swamp - KKK (3:14)
  3. Swamp Shootout (1:44)
  4. Tapia (0:34)
  5. How Your Machine Works (1:08)
  6. Zoepound (0:47)
  7. Ambush - Miami Streets Chase (4:09)
  8. Intersection Shootout (2:47)
  9. Ferrari Causeway Chase (4:24)
  10. Drop Point (1:31)
  11. Whoosah (0:29)
  12. Tapia Pissed Off (1:08)
  13. Icepick (0:49)
  14. Haitian House Shootout (3:48)
  15. Camera (0:13)
  16. Watching Video (0:27)
  17. The Stuff (Part 1) (3:18)
  18. The Stuff (Part 2) (1:07)
  19. Find Out Who They Are (0:33)
  20. Wiretap Results (0:45)
  21. Ocean (1:38)
  22. A Cop Or A Model (0:21)
  23. Remember Me? (0:09)
  24. Dixie 7 (Part 1) (2:16)
  25. Dixie 7 (Part 2) (2:47)
  26. Dead Bodies (Part 1) (4:34)
  27. Dead Bodies (Part 2) (2:24)
  28. Heart To Heart (0:39)
  29. Breaking Into Mortuary (1:37)
  30. Mortuary (Part 1) (0:46)
  31. Mortuary (Part 2) (0:24)
  32. Mortuary (Part 3) (0:31)
  33. Mortuary Groove (4:41)
  34. Syd's Cover Is Blown (5:45)
  35. Tapia Has Syd (5:30)
  36. Tunnel (0:52)
  37. Prep For Tapia Sneak (3:33)
  38. Target House (5:37)
  39. Cuba Chase (3:21)
  40. Guantanamo (2:11)
  41. End Credits (Part 1) (1:01)
  42. End Credits (Part 2) (1:05)
  43. Main Titles (Alternate) (2:43)
  44. Swamp Shootout (Alternate) (1:35)
  45. Intersection Shootout (Alternate) (2:50)
  46. Ferrari Causeway Chase (Alternate) (4:37)
  47. Whoosah (Alternate) (0:29)
  48. The Stuff (Part 1) (Alternate) (3:17)
  49. The Stuff (Part 1) (Insert 1) (0:16)
  50. The Stuff (Part 1) (Insert 2) (0:14)
  51. The Stuff (Part 2) (Insert 1) (0:27)
  52. The Stuff (Part 2) (Insert 2) (0:37)
  53. Wiretap Results (Alternate I) (0:23)
  54. Wiretap Results (Alternate II) (0:24)
  55. Heart To Heart (Alternate) (0:37)
  56. Tapia Has Syd (Alternate I) (5:19)
  57. Tapia Has Syd (Alternate II) (5:26)
  58. Tapia Has Syd (Hallway Insert) (0:44)
  59. Tapia Has Syd (Helicopter Insert 1) (1:17)
  60. Tapia Has Syd (Helicopter Insert 2) (1:25)
  61. Prep For Tapia Sneak (Alternate I) (3:33)
  62. Prep For Tapia Sneak (Alternate II) (3:31)
  63. Cuba Chase (Alternate) (3:13)
  64. Guantanamo (Alternate) (2:10)
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mpolonest123 reply Replies: 6 || 2017-11-30 04:26:41
Didn't know where else to post this but if anyone is a big fan of Trevor Rabin check out some of his music for the Disney World ride 'Mission: Space'. It's a pretty cool companion to Armageddon, although nothing has been officially released unfortunately.

Here's the area suite, not the best quality but it gives you a general idea....
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mpolonest1232017-11-30 04:28:27
Main theme at 20:00.


rockhound2017-11-30 10:07:02
sounds great. the theme at the beginning and the drums are pure rabin. i love it.


Bayhem2017-11-30 13:34:24
Pretty awesome, thanks for sharing.

By the way, since we're on the BB2 page.....I finally found the film version of the badass "We ride Together, We die Together" music. That piece (the one a lot of people were looking for) was missing from the Tapia Has Syd track. Don't know why....

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rockhound2017-11-30 17:05:26
i think the second version of Tapia has Syd sounds much better, because the theme goes through the whole track and is much more intense. sadly they didn't use this.
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Bayhem2017-12-01 14:23:10
"====EDITED===="

?????


Were the YT links considered spam? Because they weren't.


Damien, Moderator2017-12-01 20:34:57
No, they were not spam.
At least one of them claims "I do not own the rights for this music". So he does something illegal despite he knows it. I did'nt look in detail to others, but none since to be related to some legal source.

Bayhem reply Replies: 4 || 2017-11-13 22:51:27
You know, a lot of people complain about the fact that Mancina was dropped from the project, along with his cues from the original movie, but if you think about it you'll see that it makes perfect sense. It makes sense why Michael and Jerry wanted a different sound. Look at the two movies: the first Bad Boys is a contained, low-budget buddy-cop action comedy. While Bad Boys 2 is literally a full-blown $130 million blockbuster movie. It's bigger and more epic in every sense of the words.

And as much as I like the themes from the original, a similar sound would not, IMO, have been appropriate for the sequel. And clearly both Michael and Jerry felt the same way. The movie itself is much "heavier" and bombastic and it makes sense that they brought in Trevor and Steve. I mean, I like Mancina a lot but Rabin is, IMO, better with those big, epic movies. And, if you're able to focus only on the second movie, without comparing its sound to the first one, you'll realize that the score is actually pretty damn good. Big, bombastic, energetic with some pretty solid emotional cues.

Yes, the Mancina score for the first one is more melodic and it absolutely deserves its cult status, but I really feel that the BB2 score is very underrated, exactly because the BB1 score is so popular and beloved. Because of that very reason some score fans simply refused to accept the Rabin/Jablonsky score, even though, as I already stated, it's actually a very effective and competent score. It fits the movie perfectly. Again, this is my opinion and I know it might be unpopular. I just think that there's more than meets the eye when it comes to the BB2 score.

P.S. Harry Gregson-Williams worked on the BB2 score?? Hmm, interesting, considering that he didn't get along with Michael while they were working on Armageddon. I guess they were able to put their differences behind them. Or maybe Gregson-Williams's involvement was not that significant....


Leonard Dante2017-11-14 03:07:53
Maybe, but my interpretation goes to another way.

Zimmer did not want to do Armageddon, Bruckheimer calls Mancina and he's busy with Tarzan.

So, ok, let's find another guy from MV.

Glennie Smith worked with Brukeheimer the same year with "Man with Iron Mask" and in 1996 with "The Rock", but the music production of the two films was troubled. We will not repeat this again.

Who will be next? Rabin and HGW.

Jablonsky was the next when Rabin and HGW lost the interest in working with Bay or otherwise.


Per2017-11-14 08:34:19
I don't think Bruckheimer had anything to do with The Man In The Iron Mask...


Bayhem2017-11-14 08:37:39
Personally, I've never heard of Bruckheimer wanting Mancina for Armageddon. Maybe I missed it...As for Zimmer, he actually did some work on Armageddon.

The Man with the Iron Mask is not a Bruckheimer production though. Nick worked on most of Bruckheimer films (as a conductor or composer), starting with Crimson Tide and Bad Boys 1. As for Rabin and Harry Gregson-Williams, I doubt they suddenly lost interest because after Armageddon and Enemy of the State they were involved in one way or another in quite a few Bruckheimer or Bay projects. Hell, Rabin was hired by Bay Films to score I Am Number Four in 2011. And I'm sure that they will work again in the future. At the end of the day, it's not unusual for a director to go from one MV/RC composer to another. Tony Scott did it, Bay did it, Antoine Fuqua did it, Ridley Scott did it.


rockhound2017-11-14 08:55:41
zimmer was in talk, maybe already hired for Enemy of the State, because i remember that i saw his name in the first trailer. but for whatever reason, rabin took over and because rabin was at the same time very busy with Jack Frost, they asked harry to help out again. this time with a co-composer credit. im sure zimmer was never in talk for Armageddon and trevor was first choice for bruckheimer, because he already scored Con Air almost alone. but because it was such a big project and bay is a complicated director, trevor got alot of help.

same with Bad Boys 2. mancina and bay had creative differences and when it was clear, that he was out, trevor took over. but as always with bay, it was a difficult task and maybe also not enough time. thats why trevor got alot of help again. Bad Boys 2 has the typical bay sound, which his movies have until this day. i would love to have an official release, because it is a great actionscore.

Darkdave reply Replies: 0 || 2016-10-13 05:54:13
We ride together we die together that track on here is on separate tracks the first part is tapia has sid but not till the end about half way and the part u need to join it with is called hallway hope this helps

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 2 || 2008-03-09 00:00:00
Strange score in the way it was done...

This contains very good parts unfortunately never used in the movie (they prefered Dr Dre's "Additional Music" 0_0)... And a real complete with all what Rabin and the MV Team wrote (Jablonsky, Morris, Wesson, Duncan etc.) would be great...

And why not Mancina's rejected score too ? :-P


Grumpywinter2013-11-15 19:04:07
Where do you find this CD or download the songs I have been looking for it for years....


Damien, Moderator2013-11-15 22:22:34
As any score marked 'Bootleg' or 'Unofficial' release, you can't get this information here.

Henny reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-25 08:32:50
Not bad at all fleals and gallas. Thanks.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2011-03-20 00:00:00
we still need the RCP music from this!!!

badboys reply Replies: 0 || 2010-11-09 00:00:00
it's very cool score , i like it ###

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-17 00:00:00
That Highway Chase cue is the best cue from the film... incredible that it is not one this boot. Wonder why...

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-17 00:00:00
I think it's Bad Boys Heart to Heart or Syd's cover is blown. It's on it, I'm sure of it!

And no, the highway cue is not on this version. It's in an alternate form the End Credits on DVD.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-16 00:00:00
Is the Highway Chase cue on this? That cue is on the Trevor Morris official site but don't see it here...

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-16 00:00:00
Does anyone know wich track is used in the scene where the quote "we ride together- we die together-bad boys for life" and people start gathering to help in the rescue of Marcusīs sister Syd?? I canīt find it anywhere and it does not seem that its on this soundtrack. I hear something similar but not exactly the track which is used in the movie.

Thank you..

Roman reply Replies: 0 || 2010-04-12 00:00:00
Best Score EVER. I Love it :-)

fan reply Replies: 0 || 2010-03-01 00:00:00
hgw make not tapia house shootout!!!
syd`s cover is blown the last 40 seconds... is reprise in this track
bad boys 2 score ist only composed from trevor rabin! additional music by steve jablonsky & paul linford! look on trevor rabin fan site!

Levente reply Replies: 0 || 2009-11-20 00:00:00
"HGW's cue is the "Tapia House Shootout" at the end of the film (with the rocket launcher etc...), quite hard to hear it with the LOADS of SFX !!!! :D "

But that is the best cue from the whole film.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2009-11-20 00:00:00
Your Mancina story is right, LP...


But after Rabin came in, he had several problems too (who hasn't with Bay ? It's always a mess !!!) !

Check this bootleg, it contains at least 25 minutes not in the film ! Many things got replaced !

The "Tapia Has Syd" film version contains the beginning of the Rabin track listed here, with the end fully reworked by Jablonsky (sounding like Transformers :P) !!!

And as usual, Bay/Bruckheimer requested a lot of people to work on it ! So Jablonsky worked with his friends Trevor Morris & Clay Duncan... And HGW was asked to provide a cue, which he did with Mel Wesson & Toby Chu !

HGW's cue is the "Tapia House Shootout" at the end of the film (with the rocket launcher etc...), quite hard to hear it with the LOADS of SFX !!!! :D

LP reply Replies: 0 || 2009-11-20 00:00:00
If anyone had bothered to read the liner in the Bad Boys complete score, you would found out the actual story. Mark Mancina had a meeting with Bay and Bruckheimer. Mark wanted to continue the themes and expand on the music from the first movie. Michael wanted more percussive/driving music. Mark didn't want to go with that route, so Rabin was brought in, along with Steve Jablonsky and others. Though I've never heard of Harry's involvement in the score. Can anyone verify this?

Levente reply Replies: 0 || 2009-03-22 00:00:00
As far as I know Rabin and Mancina also had a disagreement.

And yeah a complete score is needed. All the action stuff is missing especially at the end when they break in Tapia's house.

Joshua reply Replies: 0 || 2009-03-21 00:00:00
Was Mancina originaly attached to this? I had no idea. Does anyone know why his score was rejected? Because his score for the first one was great!

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2009-03-21 00:00:00
Mancina was indeed hired and scored it...


But then was fired by Bay... :P

klugizzle reply Replies: 0 || 2008-07-19 00:00:00
i really can't understand why they didn't release a score cd for this film.

Exxon reply Replies: 0 || 2008-05-23 00:00:00
Way to go! I also got my hands on the original score for Bad Boys I by Mark Mancina! It is just great to finally have the entire original score.. I have been looking for it for ages.

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