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"It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain."<br><br>I didn't think it was possible for a Bay fan of all people to be this insufferably pretentious.<br><br>I thought that was more Snyder fanboy territory.<br><br>But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br><br>Kudos, man.  Kudos.<br><br>You can hide behind however many fallacies you want.  If "Not to me" and "You do you" didn't give it away early on in this thread, I DIDN'T try to treat my opinions as fact.<br><br>But that doesn't mean I'm going to add a little "IMO" at the end of every goddamn sentence just to coddle you. <br><br>On the flip-side, consistently making appeals to authority and popularity, "B-b-but Spielberg said!", "B-b-but the Forbes poll said!" don't make you objective.<br><br>Y'know, it's funny.  When I listed off better blockbuster examples, you could've very easily just argued against them on the level of the films themselves, and everything would've been fine.<br><br>Sure, you would've just claimed you can't see the action at night sooner, which is rich when you praise the film series that puts the subjects of its action scenes OUT OF FOCUS every other shot, but hey, that's just honest opinions versus honest opinions.<br><br>But using two belated half-assed sequels from different, less talented directors that lost most of the appeal of the first movies, as some sorta litmus test for how well-liked the first movies were, is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard.  That's not objectivity, that's not even confusing correlation with causation, that's saying 1+2=4.<br><br>That's the real joke here.  Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact.  I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here.  It's psychotic.<br><br>Bad movies make money.  Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.  But if that's the kinda road you wanna go down, I guess movies like Avatar, The Force Awakens, or all the Avengers movies, are "objectively" better movies in every conceivable way than anything Bay has made in his entire career.  I mean, CLEARLY those films must have a bolder style and push more boundaries.<br><br>Why else would more people watch and rewatch them, right?<br><br>Reasonable causation is for those goshdarn geek journos.<br><br>And by the way, The Last Knight lost money.  Period.  Almost 100M according to Paramount themselves.<br><br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br><br>Have a nice day.Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br>==================<br><br>Kinda ironic, coming from you....but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you! <br><br>And yes, he sides with me because what I say is common sense. For whatever reason, you have these strong negative feelings toward Bay films and those feelings blind you to some pretty obvious truths. <br><br>Have to say tho - for a 'hater' you sure know A LOT about him, his style and his movies. <br><br>Just admit it - you are a huge Bay fan but you just want to score some points with the snobbish internet crowd. <br><br><br><br>============<br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br>============<br><br>Oh, you're one of THOSE people......"Fury Roaaaaaaaaad is DA BEST FILM EVAAAAAAAA".<br><br>Let me guess: you also think that Nolan is the greatest director/person of all time. On par with Jesus himself. <br><br><br><br>==========<br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br>==========<br><br>Which is what Transformers 1 is. <br><br>Which is why the movie connected with audiences. It was - at its heart - a story about a boy and his car. Even the most jaded critics enjoyed that aspect.<br><br><br>=============<br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br>=============<br><br>Excuse? For what?<br><br>My friend, you do realize that Bay in particular is one of the most powerful and successful filmmakers of all time, right? He is the second highest-grossing director of all time (domestically), only behind Spielberg. You can dismiss box office success all you want but you don't get to where Bay is if you're not good at your job. <br><br>Snyder is nowhere near Bay, in terms of success and influence. Personally, I don't care much about him. <br><br><br>P.S. Guy Ritchie (and Edgar Wright) are huge Bay fans. Ask yourself why. <br><br><br>===============<br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole<br>===============<br><br>Your opinion.<br><br>I disagree.Bay walks the lines between being self-serious and comical, but his films aren't well=written enough to serve the former, or witty enough to serve the latter, and the end-result is droll and annoying.<br>====================<br><br>You sure you're not a "writer" for one of those ridiculous geek sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Slash Film? Because you sound a lot like one of those "beloved" writers. <br><br>Anyway......Yes, Bay's movies always walk that line but whether that works or not is........Yes! a matter of opinion. For me, Pain and Gain is one of the best modern satires while for you it is - I'm guessing - "droll and annoying".<br><br>It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain. <br><br>Some of you folks are indeed very hard to please. <br><br><br>===============<br>The first POTC earns it. The Bad Boys 2 doesn't. Infinity War earns it. TF 1/2/3/4/5 doesn't.<br>==============<br><br>Okay, now that statement is the best joke of the year! Thank you for the good laugh! Really! Oh, and I've definitely argued with you before, my friend. You are clearly one of those ten Bay haters from the IMDb forums who claim to hate everything the man does, yet they have seen EVERYTHING he had done. Why is that, I wonder?<br><br><br>===========<br>Fitting, as Synder and Bay are cut from a very similar cloth. Difference is, unless we're talking Man of Steel, I'd sooner rely on Snyder for consistently good action sequences<br>===========<br><br>Well, I would trust Spielberg on this. Because it was Spielberg who said, and I quote: "Michael (Bay) is one of the greatest action directors. He has the best eye in Hollywood." Spielberg works with a lot of directors. But he never said anything like that about any other director. So clearly he means what he says about Bay. And....you know......unlike most people, Speilberg actually knows a thing or two about filmmaking. <br><br><br>================<br>300 didn't try to start a franchise. It was a one-off adaptation of a graphic novel in the same vein as Sin City, and was successful. They tried to make a cash-grab sequel almost a decade later, without Snyder, and it failed. That's hardly the first film's fault.<br>================<br><br>It is a clear proof that people weren't that excited to visit this world again. And mind you, that happened with the first sequel! Talk about a one-time thing, huh?<br><br>At the same time, Bay made FOUR Transformers movies - with different casts - before there were any signs of audience fatigue. <br><br>That speaks for itself.<br><br>===========<br>Pacific Rim suffered from lackluster marketing, and yet still managed to turn a profit and attract a strong following.<br>==========<br><br>Excuses, excuses, excuses.....So you can display all the excuses in the world for Pac Rim but when it comes to Transformers, you don't accept anything. <br><br>Double standard much?<br><br>P.S. That "strong following" is on the internet. The same following that was supposed to make Scott Pillgrim a huge hit. Everyone knows that internet hype is not real-world hype. I know very well the type of people who act as if Pac Rim is the best thing since sliced bread. Total geeks who are angry that Transformers is much more popular and much more successful than Del Toro's "let's shoot all the robot fights in pitch black so audiences can't see shit" movie.  <br><br>Also, let's not pretend that Pac Rim is a universally beloved film. You know very well that there are A LOT of detractors as well. That's what you get when people can't tell what's going on during the movie because you shot it all at night. Just like that Godzilla movie. <br><br><br>============<br>Versus something like Transformers, which has piggybacked on an established IP, relentless marketing campaigns and tie-ins, and a fairly consistent release schedule. And even then, recycling the same bullshit eventually took its toll.<br>============<br><br><br>Wrong.<br><br>Do you read Forbes? You should. Because it's a place where objective people write. It ain't a stupid militant film geek site like Ain't it Cool News or Screen Rant.<br><br>Forbes published multiple articles explaining in great detail why the Transformers movies were successful EXACTLY because they were directed by Bay. Whether you like it or not, my friend, Bay is a brand. He is an auteur. There were multiple polls before the first two Transformers movies and Bay being the director was one of the main reasons for people to watch the movies. <br><br>But I guess you missed all of that, huh?<br><br>How convenient.<br><br><br>==============<br>Friendly reminder that AoE also relied on China (more pathetically then even Pacific Rim did) to compensate for diminishing domestic returns. To say nothing of TLK outright bombing.<br>==============<br><br>First: according to ACTUAL real data, the only TF movie that was saved by China is.......Bumblebee! Yeah, you better believe it. Go to Deadline and Forbes and read it for yourself.<br><br>Second: TLK bombed domestically, yes. <br>But not internationally. No one with actual knowledge of the situation refers to that movie as an international "bomb". Besides, there were 4 super successful TF movies before TLK. So Bay got nothing to prove. He already created one of the biggfest film franchises in history. <br><br>How many directors can say that?<br><br><br><br>==================<br>I know you like debunking Bay naysayers with "facts and logic," but it helps to not be grossly disingenuous while doing it<br>==================<br><br><br>Goes both ways, my friend. But unlike most naysayers, I don't treat my own personal opinions as facts. And if I'm being "disingenuous" then I don't even know what to say about some Bay haters who refuse to accept even the most obvious facts and truths.nopeYou realize there is a very easy and free method to get the music from that site, dont you?
Random thought but this got me thinking about Zanelli's history with fantasy.<br><br>Whatever happened to his score for Delgo?  I know it's been accused of being super derivative of his other works anyways but still, it's weird to see a RCP score just drop off the face of the Earth like that.There's just something really charming about seeing a prototype for a famous future theme showing up in an old score.<br><br>Or in PotC's case, SCORES.The only ones I've seen properly confirmed are the cues Badelt had listed on his website. The issue with everything else is that there's certain themes that's been associated with certain people, but aren't credited for every appearance. Not to mention that I've never really seen much official credits elsewhere, so I take any that I've seen with a grain of salt.This comment was made before that was properly confirmed, so he was likely going to do it solo at the time.I thought Hans was collaborating with Faltermayer For Top Gun 2
From both ASCAP and GEMACan these be accessed anywhere?The dream is collapsing... :oHoly f*ck, just listened to "Too Many Notes..." and its containing pirates theme itself from Pirates of the caribbean'No Good About Goodbye' was never the intended song for QOS. It was composed after the film was completed using thematic material from the film for Shirley Bassey to perform on her, David Arnold produced album, 'The Performance'
Those files are just sitting there.<br><br>Undownloadable.<br><br>Taunting me.@Ds<br>Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br><br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br><br>I already discussed 300 and Pacific Rim.  Clearly deep scripts aren't what I'm aiming for here when I talk about good blockbusters.<br><br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br><br>300's a great example of this, though unfortunately a lot of Snyder's other work isn't, and Bay is close behind.  Their films get bogged with way too much obnoxious bullshit to make the odd sequence worth it.<br><br>The Scorponok sequence from TF1, the warehouse fight from BvS, that's real standout stuff.  Stuff that loses a lot of its luster when surrounded by two-and-a-half, or god forbid THREE, hours of self-serious pretense, lazy humor, and/or annoying characters.<br><br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br><br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole, and need to learn to consolidate their efforts into something that brings out their best and subdues their worst.  Snyder in particular has SERIOUSLY misjudged where his talent is lately.Well, Steve, about the score, says he still working on it.<br><br>I can't wait.A snippet of the verse (at 0:49) also shows up occasionally in the score, in Somebody Wants to Kill You, the end of Greene and Camille, and Field Trip.Ist there any chance for concert in Poland during this tour?
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Klaus BadeltGeoff ZanelliRamin DjawadiJim Dooley
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The Time Machine (Complete Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 71'01
HZimmer.com rating:        4/5
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  1. Main Titles (3:24)
  2. Wish Me Luck (1:20)
  3. Marry Me (1:10)
  4. Emma Dies #1 (1:31)
  5. In A Week (3:09)
  6. Bleeker Street (2:26)
  7. Emma Dies #2 (0:56)
  8. Moon Sign (1:06)
  9. I Don't Belong Here (3:56)
  10. In The Year 2030 (1:02)
  11. Time Travel - Asteroid (2:11)
  12. Where Am I (0:38)
  13. Are The Friendly (3:33)
  14. Goodnight (4:37)
  15. Stones & River - Village (4:52)
  16. Morlocks Attack (7:04)
  17. Where The Ghosts Are (1:43)
  18. Morlock World (6:27)
  19. The Master (5:42)
  20. Time Machine Returns - Fight (4:08)
  21. Alex Reconsiders (1:29)
  22. The Escape (3:24)
  23. Freedom - Godspeed (5:17)
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Scorefan reply Replies: 0 || 2019-02-03 18:14:58
Listening again the score, it's simply beautiful and amazing. What a waste of talent, really, Klaus had all the talent to make a prolific career

ThePhantasm reply Replies: 29 || 2018-02-18 05:00:01
So Johan johannson (R.I.P) was actually going to be the composer for Christopher Robin instead of the previously announced Klaus Badelt, where does that leave Klaus? Its honestly heartbreaking that the guy can't get a damn good project he is so talented and deserves a chance. He's proved himself with The Promise, pirates, time machine, solomon kane etc. How is it that henry jack and lorne balfe both of which I'm a fan of can get projects no problem but Klaus can't??

Maybe he needs a better agent.


Anonymous2018-02-18 09:27:44
Or. Maybe he's just choosey with his projects like Powell is.


gringo2018-02-18 10:13:40
@ThePhantasm: It breaks my heart aswell. He was the heart in Zimmers most beautiful era and would have wished to see him making his own great carreer. I've never understood the hype for Lorne etc. For me Badelt >> Lorne,Junkie,etc


Edmund Meinerts2018-02-18 10:14:13
I don't think so...remember those years when he did all sorts of random low-budget French comedies and thrillers? Didn't seem too choosy to me.

This is pure idle speculation, mind you, but I wonder if Klaus might not have burned some bridges here and there...his departure from the MV/RC/Hans inner circle seemed awfully abrupt.


Hybrid Soldier2018-02-18 10:30:34
There's a lot more to the Klaus story I can't really disclose here...


Bob Belcher2018-02-18 10:50:00
because it would put a bad light to zimmer? are his hands involved in this that badelt isn't getting any big movies at all?


rockhound2018-02-18 11:10:27
klaus said in an interview last year, that he was looking to do some french movies, because he saw one on a flight to paris and was amazed by that movie and also because he loves paris and has a couple of friends there. he contacted people there to get in the french film business. he likes the way the people work there in the business. more freedom for him. in the interview he doesn't sound like he had to do these movies, because otherwiese he wouldn't get work. he really wanted to do these movies.


Hybrid Soldier2018-02-18 11:22:30
On Hans ? No. On Klaus...


I'll say one thing : waste of talent... I loved Klaus' music and his amazing scores while he was in RCP, but he didn't need the help of anyone to destroy his own career... Too bad...


Hybrid Soldier2018-02-18 11:24:10
In fact, he's not even a composer anymore, he has his own company which deals with movie broadcasting worldwide... He does a score here & there but it never was his vocation... He just happened to be ridiculously talented (and Hans will confirm this to anyone even to this day).


Bob Belcher2018-02-18 11:35:08
Thanks Hybrid for those informations. I always had some fear Hans had his fingers in his departure from rcp and making his career-life as hard as it can get. It's too bad to see he doesn't appreciate the gift it was given to him. That talent was beyond, and the collaboration between Hans and Klaus was magical. I so would have wished it would never have stopped. And by reading your comments, Hans seems to think that aswell :(


...2018-02-18 11:36:33
and what about Trevor Rabin? He is amazing composer as well, sadly we don´t hear about him anymore


rockhound2018-02-18 11:43:31
trevor rabin is taking a break from composing filmmusic and was on tour the last 2 years with jon anderson and rick wakeman from YES. they created a new band called ARW. at the moment they are working on new songs.


Hybrid Soldier2018-02-18 11:56:42
Yeah I agree, the problem with Trevor is that he never adapted to his environment, so to speak... He never changed his style, always the same kind of writing (big amazing theme + big action + guitars) and slowly lost the interest of everyone...

Key is being able to renew yourself (for better or for worse). But I miss his themes cause he's an amazing melody writer.

I know he wants to work, he wants to be hired to score, even if he doesn't "need" it really, and yes he has his solo/band career going on as well...

Funny story about Trevor he never really liked being listed on Hans-Zimmer.com as he never was a regular RCP occupant (even if I think having worked with Mancina and then done pretty much 5 scores at RCP, and then having in his team former RCP members, it did justify to me)... But since I'm probably the last one promoting his career on the internet, and having his brother-in-law Steve Kofsky being RCP's boss, I keep him there ! lol


rockhound2018-02-18 12:07:40
im actually very happy, that trevor didn't renew his style like hans for a couple of times. i just wish, he would compose more for orchestra only without guitars and cheap sounding samples. scores like Remember The Titans, The Great Raid and Flyboys prove that he can do it. maybe bruckheimer will hire him someday again. trevor composed amazing scores for him....with help by rcp on a couple of movies. ;)


mpolonest123 2018-02-18 12:30:28
Lol, maybe Trevor can return for Deep Blue Sea 2! Not that THAT would help his career much....



MrZimmerFan2018-02-18 12:43:25
Rabin himself has never considered to be a Zimmer-guy.


ThePhantasm2018-02-18 15:29:28
Damn so he ruined his own career? i hope he gets a second shot. Would to see what he can do with a superhero movie. I know he'd kill it if given the chance. Hopefully disney will let him score Christopher Robin. Here's hoping!


Edmund Meinerts2018-02-18 15:36:32
Well, there's always Catwoman...


ThePhantasm 2018-02-18 16:29:28
Hey man, that was a really good score okay lol but i mean like a good superhero movie like a marvel or DC


Dudu2018-02-18 22:20:35
@Hybrid,
Speaking of klaus, do you know how the other rcp members feel about him? Do they still keep in touch or is he persona non grata?
I know that geoff zanelli is completely pissed (check his website, for all the projects he names his colleagues like steve jablonsky or else, and then for the klaus projects he just puts « the composer »), and you told that hans avoids him as much as he can ( which I can see when the pirates topic is brought during interviews post 2006...no mention of klaus)
Hell even michael levine in his post about « why hans gets the job » name-dropped EVERYONE at rcp but klaus
So i was wondering how people act towards jim nowadays, especially ramin djawadi who is really popular now and started as his assistant!


Olive2018-02-19 02:43:12
From the way you talk it even seems like the man turned into a criminal. lol


rockhound2018-02-19 09:37:03
when i take a look on IMDB, klaus is still busy with filmmusic. just because he doesn't score hollywood blockbusters anymore and is not busy as lorne balfe, doesn't mean that he destroyed his career.


ok2018-02-19 12:09:01
he is doing Christopher Robin (2018, its disney
that is a big movie is it not


Balfe2018-02-19 13:32:17
Well, Klaus did compose a lot of the essential music from 1997 to 2005. As we know, Hans says - Hans does. Why do we trust this 'Hybrid Soldier', who calls them themselves that anyway? Tell us more mr rcp. How are you top of the line when you are French. Who is Hybrid - must be a reject from HZ line....



Olive2018-02-19 13:33:48
Johánnsson was hired for Christopher Robin little time before his death. Now will be another composer.


Olive2018-02-19 13:33:48
Johánnsson was hired for Christopher Robin little time before his death. Now will be another composer.


Hybrid Soldier2018-02-19 13:35:40
Then explain to me why his career went downhill after he left Remote in 2006 ?


rockhound2018-02-19 15:04:31
hybrid, what do you mean with downhill? to compose music for smaller movies doesn't mean you don't earn money or your career is ruined. i really don't see the problem with his career.


ThePhantasm2018-02-19 21:54:51
Well john powell left RCP as well and he still has a great career, i think Klaus just has a shitty agent, it makes me so angry cause he's so talented and I want to hear more from him but he doesn't get great movies. Or even big summer movies, I don't know about his career going downhill though.


Scorefan2018-02-20 00:21:23
And who's the agent of Klaus?

Bayhem reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-16 23:14:42
Ok, I love this piece of music, but I don't think it's part of the score album. I can't find it anywhere! It's the music during the "So I'm not just a wandering idiot?" scene. 50 minutes or so into the movie. It's such a nice, sweet melody. Beautiful stuff. Any help would be appreciated, folks.

Aggelos reply Replies: 1 || 2014-06-19 15:02:59
There seems to be some Final mixes on Badelt's newly updated webpage.

klausbadelt.com/


Per2014-06-19 16:17:01
It's the same material as on the old 'expanded' version listed on this very page, and nothing more than that it seems...

Yes, there's more tracks, but it seems to be just repeated tracks. But I'll be glad to stand corrected if any are indeed different.

Per reply Replies: 0 || 2010-09-24 00:00:00
Yes, that is correct, track '11 - Time Travel - Asteroid' listed here is actually Eloi, and yes, it's also different than the one on the soundtrak. It uses the same, or similar, "choir-words" (if that makes any sense) as in 'Godspeed'.

Also, track '14 - Goodnight' is actually 'Time Travel', and should be placed (to place it in a chronlogical order) after track 10. (And so track 11-12-13 would be 12-13-14, respectively)

Some other differences in this other than Eloi, is 'Where The Ghosts Are', which is a slightly different mix with less/no choir (compared to the one on the soundtrack) (the one with less choir is the mix in the film).
And the flute thingy, which can be heard from ca. 4:55 - 5:32 on track 14 on the soundtrack, is not on this version. But if that piece is just a different piece/cue added to that place on the soundtrack, or if it's a revised version of the cue (track '21 - Alex Reconsiders') I don't know.
And of course the Good Night cue (track '13 - Are They Friendly' on this version), is different.

But even though you have two different versions of the 'Good Night' on the soundtrack and this version, none of these are the one in the film, "of course"... But beyond the 'film version' of that cue, there's not much more missing (as heard in the film anyway), other than a short piece (after 'Good Night' and before 'Stone Language' in the film), which I believe to be the same as the last half minute or so of 'Stone Language', only without the percussion !

D reply Replies: 0 || 2010-09-06 00:00:00
Is Time Travel - Asteroid meant to be Eloi (from the retail soundtrack)? The vocal sounds a bit different?

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2010-05-11 00:00:00
@ The_Dimensionalist

It's a bootleg. You're not gonna find it in a store.

The_Dimensionalist reply Replies: 0 || 2010-05-11 00:00:00
What is this? Where is its release date? How are there tracks with times, if this soundtrack does not exist? Can someone explain what is going on?

Slither reply Replies: 0 || 2007-12-04 00:00:00
Quite liked this score but I think the promise is without a dought Badelts best score to date, he was really inspired during his stay in China that he really came out of the experience with a score which tops even Zimmers latest offerings. I cant wait to see a complete release of the promise score, because i have seen the film and there are a lot of great cues missing from the album, one in which features in the trailer.

hans-batman-zimmer reply Replies: 0 || 2007-12-01 00:00:00
Zimmer's sound had a lot effect on POTC1.
So I think this is the best.

(From Japan)

Xxxxxxx Xxxx reply Replies: 0 || 2007-11-30 00:00:00
Im not sure I would agree... POTC1 was alot catchier.... but that's my opinion.

hans-batman-zimmer reply Replies: 0 || 2007-11-27 00:00:00
This is the Badelt's best.

(From Japan)

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