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Last night I was talking to Lorne, and he told me that in principle there is intention to release the full score.I'd be very interested to hear the supposed Balfe complete score to picture where he apparently sought to elevate it, as someone here put it. The Richter is pitch-perfect and works massively well to picture and, not dissing Balfe at all, his stuff is literally 'additional music' to fill the gaps.Aplusle, that's really well put actually.Don't feel bad. You've just summed up why Hans and Lorne make a good team. Lorne is by all accounts a fantastic arranger and can bring out the best in others' ideas but I sometimes find his own compositions are a bit basic or leave me cold. Hans on the other hand always nails the theme and the concept but his scoring to picture to me feels clunky and a bit amateurish, especially when the music is dense. <br><br>Both super talented in their own ways. :-)Is there anyway o get sheet music for Into the pie machine for orchestra?
Just saw Maleficent 2. There is a lot more Newton Howard in the movoe than there is on album.<br>I actually can't really understand why they didn't include the reprise of The Christening (the dinner scene) & the finale in the movie.<br><br>Zanelli's score is wonderful and I love it very much. But would have loved this on albumI can't imagine how someone likes Balfe's part over Richters. As you said Thomas, Richters work sounds more like suites, and Balfes work is written more to picture. BUT, it sounds to me also like a typical RCP-work with Hans. While Hans gives the direction with his suites and melodies, Balfe and co are adapting those suites to the specific scenes and writing some "new" stuff to fill any gap if there is any need of it, so they become additional composers in the credits.<br><br>And here, we have the same. Richter shows the direction and some cues are real intense and beautiful. Balfes parts sounding like a gap-filler. I don't want to talk bad about Balfe, he's a composing machine, but still i can't find anything remarkable on those parts and so i can't understand how Richters work hasn't been used but instead the more colorless cues from Balfes part :/<br><br>Again, don't feel insulted guys, it's just my sensationBalfeís part is the best I think.<br>It also seems written to picture instead of just long suites.<br>My understanding is the Balfe wrote half of the score but the album doesnít seem to represent that for some reason.I really liked Richterís score over balfesI listened Max Richter for years. He is the kind of select or minority composer who does his solo works and soundtrack for movies not so famous. <br>His solo works are really really good with quintet and piano and voice. "on the nature of daylight" is definitely the best. <br>His sountrack is not good as his solo, to be honest. I think "the Leftovers" (2014-2017, HBO series), "Miss Slaone" (2016) and "Mary Queen of Scots" (2019) are cool.<br>If you need some peaceful music for meditation or good sleep, listen to his work.
Richter did his recording in january and june 2019. The Director himself is a fan of Richter, so the deadline and director are not the reason.<br>It seemed that producers were not satisfied with Richter's music and they wanted something new, that's why they got Lorne. It turned out Lorne brought a very limited new...@Cercei<br>Hybrid can definitely answer that best. Richterís score is used (alongside Balfeís material) as well as some source pieces. If I remember correctly itís a mish-mash of the two.I do know that piece, itís very pretty. Iíll check out his other works, thanks for the recommendation. In terms of minimalism I really am into Brian Eno at the moment. His ďMusic For AirportsĒ and ďThe Lovely BonesĒ are excellent if you like more introspective music.btw, you're saying Lorne recomposed and reworked the entire score. as i haven't seen the movie yet, did the producers end up with not using richters score for it at all and just used the score from Lorne?thanks for your information. but i actually don't understand why they have done that. i've heard now Lornes cues and Richters cues. all those cues from Lorne, they sound very similiar to that what Richter composed, but somehow with less melodies. And you really have to work hard to not use fewer melodies then Richter, as he's a minimalist at its best ^^ with that being said, i can't hear any groundbreaking differences from Lornes part, so what was their idea on hiring it and getting the same style of music, but in a more "light" version? :/
i really admire Max Richters work, he isn't that new in this scene. his style is that repeating minimalism. maybe you've heard once the cue "on the nature of daylight" which was used a lot by many other movies. his last score which knocked me out was "Hostiles". such an emotional and intense score, you need to hear that, and probably see the movie as well (with Christian Bale). <br><br>Really surprised at this album, Iíve never really heard anything from Max Richter but I really like what he ended up writing for this score. It surprisingly flows well for a stand alone listen. Itís funny that the producers wanted a different approach, I think Richter nailed it.<br><br>Balfeís contribution is excellent as well, I particularly like that repeating chord progression (which is starting to become one of his trademarks considering how many times he has used it). Itís disappointing that they didnít include more of his contribution though, since he apparently rewrote the entire score.Lorne said in his Twitter, the first album for His Dark Materials come 3rd November, no date, for the moment, for the second album.Was the producersi haven't understood the fact, that Lorne was involved in this. Can someone explain it for me? Was the director not satisfied with Richters music? Was the deadline too near? Or what was the reason why they have brought Lorne to this project?

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  1. Autobots (2:35)
  2. Soldiers Arrive (0:31)
  3. Bogey Approach (1:23)
  4. Family (0:34)
  5. Soccent Attack (2:10)
  6. Arctic 1897 (0:17)
  7. Angry Camaro (1:07)
  8. Keller's Briefing (2:02)
  9. Lost In The Desert (0:44)
  10. Sam At The Lake (2:00)
  11. Belly Shot (0:15)
  12. Signal Analysis (0:48)
  13. Air Force One (2:28)
  14. Main Frame Tampering (1:57)
  15. Camaro On The Run (2:51)
  16. Scorponok (5:33)
  17. Data Copy (0:36)
  18. Deciphering The Signal (1:13)
  19. Pink Bike Ride (Part 1) (0:31)
  20. Pink Bike Ride (Part 2) (0:53)
  21. Are You LadiesMan217? (1:26)
  22. Bumblebee VS Barricade (2:07)
  23. Arrival To Earth (5:28)
  24. Cybertron (2:47)
  25. Witwicky (Part 1) (1:58)
  26. Witwicky (Part 2) (0:30)
  27. Witwicky (Part 3) (2:07)
  28. Take Em & Bake Em (Part 1) (0:36)
  29. Take Em & Bake Em (Part 2) (1:04)
  30. Take Em & Bake Em (Part 3) (0:45)
  31. Autobots To The Rescue (1:22)
  32. Not To Hear That (0:30)
  33. Simmons Takes It Off (0:53)
  34. Sector 7 Chase (Part 1) (0:49)
  35. Sector 7 Chase (Part 2) (2:15)
  36. Bumblebee Captured (2:21)
  37. Hoover Dam (1:13)
  38. Optimus (3:17)
  39. Frenzy Falls (0:28)
  40. Where Is My Car? (0:34)
  41. The All Spark (3:35)
  42. Decepticons Mobilize (Part 1) (2:29)
  43. Decepticons Mobilize (Part 2) (0:23)
  44. To Mission City (0:34)
  45. Freeway Fight (0:43)
  46. Downtown Battle (1:35)
  47. Stumble Bumble (Part 1) (1:12)
  48. Stumble Bumble (Part 2) (0:56)
  49. You're A Soldier Now (Part 1) (2:43)
  50. You're A Soldier Now (Part 2) (0:54)
  51. You're A Soldier Now (Part 3) (1:00)
  52. You're A Soldier Now (Part 4) (0:27)
  1. Transforming (0:45)
  2. Sam In The Building (0:44)
  3. Surreal Mikaela (0:38)
  4. Tow Truck Charge (1:14)
  5. Sam On The Roof (Part 1) (1:01)
  6. Sam On The Roof (Part 2) (1:15)
  7. Optimus VS Megatron (4:04)
  8. No Sacrifice, No Victory (2:30)
  9. The Cube Suite (3:52)
  10. Brooding Suite (4:34)
  11. Attack Suite (5:10)
  12. Cybertron Suite (2:46)
  13. Optimus Prime Suite (3:15)
  14. Heroix Suite (2:36)
  15. The All Spark Suite (6:04)
  16. Journey Suite (3:57)
  17. Sam's Theme Suite (1:59)
  18. Decepticons 6 Suite (3:39)
  19. Creeper Suite (2:26)
  20. Tensaction Suite (2:52)
  21. Stonker Suite (3:51)
  22. Decepticons Cello Suite (4:43)
  23. Decepticons 5 Suite (3:10)
  24. Decepticons 2 Suite (1:57)
  25. Invasion Suite (1:31)
  26. Stumble Bumble (Part 2) (Alternate) (0:47)
  27. No Sacrifice, No Victory (Alternate) (2:58)
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Cloud reply Replies: 0 || 2008-06-01 00:00:00
ROFL, this forum has made my day yet again.

Reity reply Replies: 0 || 2008-06-01 00:00:00
Again, I would like to reiterate my previous statement. (I know big words, too.)

"James mates" is absurd. Ludicrous. Hilarious. Absolutely, completely, one hundred percent ridiculous.

Bytheway, I'm a her.

Anthony reply Replies: 0 || 2008-05-31 00:00:00 what now?

BeamKnight reply Replies: 0 || 2008-05-31 00:00:00
Dear Mr. James Mates

Of course I cannot acquire this album. I know that.
I didn't intent to acquire this album. I just wanted to know how different the list on this page are... from the one I knew before.

And, If this album has nothing different from the one I know, track 38. "To Mission City" is wrong-named and wrong-numbered. As I said before, Track 38 can be heard in the scene "Sector 7 arrives at Sam's Home". It should go between track 23 and 24.

Elsie B reply Replies: 0 || 2008-05-30 00:00:00
I am called Elsie B and I work for Singen GmbH of Germany. I have to be asked by Mr Mates to verify his credibility and authentitude. It pleases me to confirm he is a genuine supplier for my organisation.
Thank you,

Anthony reply Replies: 0 || 2008-05-30 00:00:00
Oh no not again. :(

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2008-05-30 00:00:00

----------Joke of the Year-----------

James Mates reply Replies: 0 || 2008-05-30 00:00:00
Jackie, are you my brother? (For those who don't know, my brother's name is Jack Mates). If you are, please stop pissing about! I have a professional reputation to uphold without your jokes.

Now, I do appreciate that this may be a coincience but you must understand that I must check.

If you are my brother, then you already know I am genuine.

If you aren't, and to the other people who asked --

I am going to get a number of my professional colleagues to authenticate my credibility. I have no idea why I need to validate myself to a bunch of idiots on a forum, but I have started this so I will finish. Stay tuned. I will have some people coming along in the near future to post saying who I say I am is the case.

In the meantime, can I suggest loking on sites such as Wikipedia? Although I am credited on the IMDB, I am not the only James Mates and so you may find it difficult. I am the James Mates who is "the multi-million dollar audio engineer in contact with hundreds of celebrities and in demand by hundreds of film studios and who has worked on the top hollywood releases", OK? LOOK HARDER.

I really am too rich to waste my time with this, maybe I should hire someone to respond to your comments instead.

Must dash - got a film set to get to!

Pleasant day,

James Mates

Jackie reply Replies: 0 || 2008-05-30 00:00:00
Who are you, Mr. James Mates?

I can't find any info in Google or IMDb. I've looked through some booklets and couldn't find that you were credited anywhere.

Maybe I can't search and you kindly point me where you are credited.


  Your name :   

Please enter number: 716 

James Mates reply Replies: 0 || 2008-05-30 00:00:00
Sorry I have not been able to respond for the past couple of months, I have been on an extended holiday in Lanzarote, in a private villa I hired. Total peace. Only cost 200,000, and it was fully served. Like a hotel. That's nothing compared to what I have to spend to enjoy myself. It's great for rediscovering yourself.

Enough about my life, however - fascinating though it is.

I would like to address my comments to Anthony. Read the following comment VERY carefully. Do not miss a word.


Get that? I AM NOT GOING TO LIST YOUR CRIMES. I have laywers that I pay millions evrey year to do that. They're paid whether they do things or not, and while they have many legal plates spinning, I am sure they could spare time for you. I DO NOT PLAY GAMES, ANTHONY. I am a professional. The last person to upset me ended up in prison.

BEAMNIGHT: You CANNOT acquire this album on the W.W.W. Also, you are prohibited from discussing ways of acquiring the album on this forum. Do not discuss how you might acquire this album as Antas will probably just delete your post. Antas has kindly provided you with a few samples for which you should be grateful.

I would also like to demand an IMMEDIATE apology from Reity. Reity is to give me an apology this INSTANT or I will take action against him/her. Believe me, I will. People who think I won't don't know me. I am not a bulls***er. I have to spend my fortune somehow, I may as well spend it putting you dishonourable bounders and cads behind bars.

To "Dan", I do apologise but the disc is not available for purchase or acquisition; I acquired my copy from an undisclosed professional source (can't give out names, top secret), and it's safe to say it is the only copy that exists. I gave a copy to my friend Terence, but he won't give it out further without my say-so.

I must rush off now - work calls, you see - and I'm going to New Zealand for a new project which I'm doing sound engineering for. You will c
ertainly hear it at some point although my NDC prohibits me from giving you all the same, much as I'd like to.

Wishing you a pleasant day,

James Mates

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2008-05-29 00:00:00
could you please kind sir make the score Scorponok, the final battle and bumblebee captured available :[ i would praise you if you do!

BeamKnight reply Replies: 0 || 2008-05-29 00:00:00
Is this list different from the album shared within the "world-wide-web"? Is it completely diffrerent album, or just only re-named one? I really want to know.

I do want to hear Track 38 "To Mission City". If I am right, Track 38 doesn't sound in the scene "To Mission City". I think it can be heard when Sector 7 arrives at Sam's home.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2008-05-29 00:00:00
I renamed it...

THey were not good at all... :P


Reity reply Replies: 0 || 2008-05-27 00:00:00
"James mates" is absurd.

Maxwell Conton reply Replies: 0 || 2008-03-29 00:00:00
About Transformers Expanded score: 3-29-08

Not knowing of this version until now tells me the depth of the BGM recording industry. Yet this is what I would have desired to get commercially but this is not out there from the industry-powers-that-be. And why not, why is this so??
What's made available commercially -and when it comes out in release -has lately been sad and lacking. Such was the case with the "Spider-man" score by Danny Elfman. The pop-music came out before the film's score did and Elfman's score is what the movie primarily featured.
Twenty some odd years later "Star Wars" (A New Hope) gets re-released finally with all those music cues you recall hearing in the theatre..but wasn't on the "officially" released soundtrack score.
The same now with the "Transformers" score, -that strong string music cue of Optimus Prime fighting Bonecrusher under the highway passes, I was living for the day that that would be heard again from the official released disc. Well,...this is why bootlegging exists...because that didn't happen, I paid money and lost out, and I, as a consumer, feel cheated by the industry. That makes me look elsewheres for what I want.
If anything,....I know that this expanded score will have some music cues that were never used in the movie- but what's the point in just archiving the stuff away for twenty plus years, -its the music intended for the film...and for no other. With technology today I don't even see a problem with releasing that 78 minutes onto a disc(s).

Anthony reply Replies: 0 || 2008-03-19 00:00:00
LOL, that's the best one yet! :D

As I previously wrote:

Please write all the examples of my self being rude so I can deicide what sort of apology to write. :)

James mates reply Replies: 0 || 2008-03-19 00:00:00
Sorry to be delayed, I am rushing for a flight to Mount Figi where we are doing some filming and ambient audio recording.

I also forgot to tell you of my previous flight in my last post, I was flying to Shanghai to meet one of the key media moguls there.

Nikolet, Dan and Thias, I am sorry to inform you thta this sound track is NOT released. YOU CAN NOT get this soundtrack. DO NOT ask for this soundtrack on this website, it is illegal for me to provide you with it. Those who do have this only do so because I work in the business and got hold of it. I am sorry to be so sanctimonious but I can't help you.

Thank you, Cloud, for your apology. I have told my attorney to cool off with regards to you. I trust I will hear no more from you on the matter.

With regard to Anthony and Me, what can I say. You have insulted my dear friend and he is terribly upset. You have placed him in a difficult position, practically and emotionally. I will not stand for it. And you take this as a joke. This is no joke. I am serious, I have over 23 Million to my name and I know famous composers and celebrities. I will see to it that you pay for what you did, unless you issue a REAL apology immediately.

With my regards,

James Mates

dan reply Replies: 0 || 2008-03-15 00:00:00
i hope thay make a two disc set i would totally buy it!

DAN reply Replies: 0 || 2008-03-15 00:00:00

Thias reply Replies: 0 || 2008-03-13 00:00:00
Wow! This Soauns is great!

Me reply Replies: 0 || 2008-03-04 00:00:00
...but first, tFoster, please write in english...

Anthony reply Replies: 0 || 2008-03-04 00:00:00
Please write all the examples of my self being rude so I can deicide what sort of apology to write. :)

tFoster reply Replies: 0 || 2008-03-04 00:00:00
hello, james tole me that u had been still very rude and avise me not to look at the site but i did, i tell you STOP BEING SO RUDE, i am pleased to cloud for his cincerness however ME and ANTHONY are so rude and are NOT giving an apology i deserve, so i will tell my mate james of course i have visit this site he will no be plesaed becuase he think you all children however maybe it for the best, wishes terence
as for ME i dont know why u care about james i am sure he is genuine he payed me 500 to make me fell better about all of this an also payed me 300 so i do not give the score since is VERY rare, he very rish is no great?! u dont no anything bout him mb u r spellin his nam wrong in imdb but i assure u he is genuine he met catherine zeta jones recnetly and has autograph from her giving best wishes and a lipstik kiss on the back how bout that!!!!

Me reply Replies: 0 || 2008-02-28 00:00:00
James if you read carefully my messages you'll notice that I've never offended you: I've only asked why there are no infos about you and your carrer in film music...and you never asked me to search in imdb...I did it, same result...

Come on...stop pretending to be someone you are not...
Anyway, best wishes for you and your friend.
bye bye

Anthony reply Replies: 0 || 2008-02-28 00:00:00
lol! Best comments page ever! :D

Cloud reply Replies: 0 || 2008-02-28 00:00:00
Ok, my full name is Cloud Strife and I was born in Nibelheim Town, in the foothills of the Mount Nibel area. I'm 21 years old and I hereby apologize to you, James Mates, SPECIALIST AUDIO ENGINEER WORLDWIDE for anything that may have offended or saddened you and your friend. I'm deeply sorry and I wish you both the best of luck in your future lives. Farewell and may the force be with you... always.

James Mates reply Replies: 0 || 2008-02-27 00:00:00
No, not "ROFLMAO", Cloud. You don't understand how serious this is. Nobody offends someone this important and gets away with it scot-free.

Come on, I've lain my cards on the table, now you do the same. What is your real name?

If you're going to argue behind pseudonyms, then you are obviously children.

The reason I ask: Terence called me up and was on the verge of tears about how rude you had all been to me. He really cares about me and these things upset him. He's not as thick skinned as I am. That's why I am taking two minutes out of my EXTREMELY busy project to write to you all.

With regards to your accusations, this is simple. I don't need to justify my position to any of you. Are you likely to offer me work? Are you heck. You're a bunch of children.

I have advised Terence to stop looking at this thread since you are so immature. As for me, I will continue observing this page on occasion to see if any more slanderous accuastions are cast. I have prosecuted people in the past, and have a team of lawyers to do this for me.

I want immediate apologies from all of the following members, accompanied by your real names:
Anthony (full name please)

For the last time, unless you answer my questions adequtely,

James Mates

PS: Terence has been advised not to visit this page until I tell him to. That will happen when you cooperate with my requests. I am not joking or bluffing. Fail to comply and you will be put in contact with Andreas Mustafa.

Cloud reply Replies: 0 || 2008-02-26 00:00:00

tfoster reply Replies: 0 || 2008-02-26 00:00:00
Oi i can vouch James is genuine, i know him personally and i am very lucky to, he is one of the best audio engineers in his field he tells me all the celebrities he knows
i have told him about the accusations you are swinging around and he says that unless you start behaving like adults he will not reply to them because he is too busy and has an important project coming up with someone (i am not allowed to pass on her name)
about the music, i am one of the only one with it, thanks to James, who was kind enough to help me out, I WILL NOT PROVIDE YOU WITH THE MUSIC, I am not allowed to on this site, also james told me it is very rare and i must not pass it on however, i can tell you it is very nice especially track 44 which you get a SHORT sample of
i dont want any more talk about james, he is a very dear friend and i am sorry i brought him into this, all because i help out one person, and this is the thanks i get!?!? I DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO TALK MORE ABOUT JAMES MATES
thank you

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