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After watching the movie, I just have to say it was okay. It had some great moments but for me it had also many problems. And one of them was the music. For most of the part it wasn't even noticeable and when it was, it was like random background music with no really emotion or heart.<br><br>BvS and MoS movies can be criticized for some things but the score is not one of them. The movie gave the movie a strong and powerful side, as well as a heart and emotion into it. In this movie there were so many moments that needed different score. <br>***SPOILERS***<br>Superman's resurrection needed the MoS in full epic form. Wonder Woman at the bank at the beggining needed her theme with the electric cello in full power.<br>The Batman theme at the beginning when he is after that Parademon.<br>We should have a really memorable theme for the whole Justice League as well as for each individual member.<br>The scenes with Clark and Lois at the house in Kansas and when his mother sees him, this needed the piano theme from This Is Clark kent or something like that.<br>And that final moments with Superman opening his shirt showing the Superman logo and then flying to the sky, we needed something like "What Are You Going To Do When You're Not Saving The World?" or "Flight" and not that unmemorable music we got.<br><br>I really hope that the petition of the Extended Cut of the movie made by Zack with Junkie's music gets to be released someday, but for now, I'm disappointed.Sounds fun!!<br>Thanks for the linkAny ideas on the Chronological Order of the Tracks?<br>I made a start here...<br><br><br>Logos<br>Batman On The Roof<br>Everybody Knows - Titles<br>Wonder Woman Rescue<br><br>...<br>Icky Thump<br>Aquaman In Atlantis<br>...<br>1m1a Krypton (from Man Of Steel)<br>Spark Of The Flash<br>Friends And Foes<br>...<br>Come Together - Credits<br>Anti-Hero Theme - CreditsNo, they are the full score cues- as presented in the film. The presentation of the final three tracks on the first disc are edited down for timing.* I posted this at filmtracks and wanted to share it here as well. <br><br>Danny Elfman's comments are very disrespectful and so disappointing for a creative person to hear, especially for composers. Nostalgia is a big problem with Hollywood and it's a simple Jedi mind trick. It's slightly different, but the same meal over and over with different seasoning. Imagine if James Horner didn't get to write the score he wanted for Spider-Man? Or Zimmer had to use Elfmans Batman theme for the DK triliolgy or BvS? Or Shirley Walkers incredible Batman theme for Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. Or Giacchino just used the original star trek theme, or the original Star Wars themes for Rogue One and created nothing new at all? How boring and uninspiring for the composers not being able to challenge themselves to create new original music.<br><br>Whether you like these scores or not isn't important, the pursuit to create something new is what drives a creative person and gives us freedom in choosing something to enjoy and not enjoy. I love the original Batman theme by Elfman but I love it in the Burton films. I love Zimmer scores for both the DK trilogy and BvS. I am happy I can enjoy both types of scores and films but there are those who don't and that's a great thing because that means we are not all the same and that brings variety of opinion and taste which creates real conversation and most importantly gives an identity to a project.<br><br>It's easy to go back to original ideas, but I respect the creators who actually take the risk and want to try and do something new. If Danny Elfman stands by his words he should have just used the original Batman theme from the Tv Show and film or the original Spider-Man theme. Oops he didn't and we got a whole new Batman theme and Spider-man theme which most of us love. Thank god he didn't stick to using the original themes. The Batman reboots and superman and Spider-man reboots are completely different takes on the characters and that's why they deserve their own new themes and soundscapes. The only time I think an original theme from a film should be used in a new film with the same characters is if it's actually a sequel or prequel connected to that actual original film. Re-boots should always have new original music.<br><br>In the end the comments from Elfman are simply stupid and uninspiring and it's definitely a hidden ego coming through I never new he had which is a shame. I remember what Zimmer said about Danny Elfman's Batman theme being a bit jolly, but that's not attacking Elfman at all, it's how he felt and heard the music and felt that that style wouldn't fit in the new batman films ect.. I have always found the original Batman theme a bit on the jolly side too and I love it because it nails Burton's take on the character and world. That theme is for Keaton's Batman, no one else's.<br><br>One final point, if we keep wanting to just revisit the past and hear and see the same thing over and over and not be challenged with new ideas, what a damn uninspiring and boring world of creativity we will live in.<br><br>All the best to you all!<br><br>
so...based on what junkie says here, Elfman is basically just rehashing old shit, as well as other people's old shit....Unless you want to say he's taking his Batman theme into a whole different direction that he didn't really have a desire to do before...until now....<br><br>In that case, "whatever" is all I have to say.Nice stuff! I still can't believe this score hasn't gotten a release.That's unfortunate. With this score, I think it's obvious that the majority is Jablonsky, as it has a ton of elements from scores he's composed exclusively, but it would still be nice to know who did what, especially with the first and second films. Not sure why there's rarely any proper additional music credits for a lot of the RCP guys, especially considering Zimmer's credits are almost always complete. <br><br>However that cuesheet of the extended score is very interesting. Hopefully if it leaks, all those cues remain there.Damn that sounds different from Elfman's commentsThe funny thing is an interview he gave 1 months before being replaced... Saying pretty much the opposite of Elfman !<br><br>"Itís a massive undertaking. And I canít say anything about Justice League specifically, but Iíll tell you this, and this was exactly the same experience that Hans and I had when we did work together on Man of Steel and Batman v Superman: Itís like when you see a movie like that, these iconic superhero movies, some of them have a 60 to 80 year legacy, multiple composers had a go at their themes, multiple filmmakers did their version of these charactersóitís very scary. You watch a movie and itís like, ďHoly shit, now I have to come up with something.Ē Youíve got sweaty hands and youíre nervous, and you talk about it over and over againóand I have exactly that relationship with Zack Snyderóand then Zack said, ĒThereís only one thing you can do, and that is embrace this character as if itís your own, keep it close to your musical soul, and just do whatever you feel is the right thing to do for this character.Ē Thatís the only thing we can do. Thatís what all these great directors did back in the day, and thatís what all these great composers did back in the day. It makes no sense for me to do extensive quoting of Hansí score of the really amazing Batmans. It makes no sense for me to quote Superman from John Williams. Because all fantastic composers, they all did the same thing, they did something that was close to their heart, and I have to do exactly the same thing on this movie. You know this is Movie Number 4 that Iím doing with Zack, so you build a friendship and itís built on trust and loyalty. You know how to challenge each other, you know what to expect on the other side, and itís this really open, amazing dialogue about where to take this franchise."
I can confirm that he had already worked on it quite a bit, because he said so in one of his Studio Time episodes.I wouldnít be surprised if he wrote another long sketchbook for it...I honestly have no idea... But I can't believe back in June when he left he hadn't done a bunch of the score already...The thing is with Jablonsky scores composers rarely get cuesheet credits, so you can't really draw conclusions out of it. Here's a small part of the cuesheet :<br><br>QUINTESSA PT 1<br>QUINTESSA PT 2<br>QUINTESSA PT 3 OPTIMUS REDEMPTION<br>KNIGHTED<br>WE HAVE TO GO ZERO GRAVITY<br><br>OPENING BATTLE<br>MERLIN<br>MERLIN GETS THE STAFF - BATTLE WON<br>TROUBLED TIMES<br>CADE DRIVING - AMULET<br>WE HUNT - DECEPTICONS HUNT<br>KEEP A SECRET - VIV ARRIVES CASTLE FOLGEN<br>WITWICCANS<br>ROUNDTABLE ORGAN SOURCE<br>COGMAN CHOIR<br>STAFF<br>BETTER GET CRACKING<br>PLANETARY VAMPIRISM<br>TOO OLD<br>SUBMARINE<br>TWO MOONS<br>MERLIN'S TOMB<br>SPACE STATION<br>CLAIM THE STAFF<br>SHIP RISE<br>YOUR VOICE<br>SOLDIERS TAKE POSITION - BURTON DIES<br>FALL AND GRAB<br>ENDINGrumor has it Lorne Balfe did this score<br><br>I guess if we do not get any credits then that proves it
Any chance of proper artist credits for this score?@Hybrid <br><br>Did Tom actually record anything for the film or did he just do demos?It's the same 24 tracks divided on two CDs. I'm truly hoping for a nice numbered digipak that separates the limited editions from the regular release otherwise it would be quite a crappy move from the record label. <br><br>"Joss said, ĎLetís do it [Batmanís theme] on the nose. Fans love this kind of stuff.í" Why do you have to ruin everything, Joss?This film is atrocious. Suicide Squad was a mess but that film was forgivable. What WB decided to with JL is embarrassing, to say the least. Forcing Zack to change the tone and add forced childish humor and quips, demanding a less than 2-hour runtime, extensive reshoots with Whedon in charge... wtf were they thinking?<br><br>It's interesting to note that Zack hasn't even seen this abomination yet.
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Crimson Tide
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  4. 1SQ (18:03)
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* Includes Hymn "Eternal Father Strong To Save" written by John B. Dykes with words by William Whiting
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Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 0 || 2017-01-01 23:32:44
Nice to return to this score again.
Happy new year!

Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 0 || 2016-01-23 14:41:38
Hybrid Soldier, did mr.Zimmer said anything for Tony Scott's suicide? I believe he felt very bad...

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Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 0 || 2015-07-10 00:03:40
Still....a top classic from mr.Zimmer!!!
One of his best!!
I am very happy to own this album.

Man With No Name reply Replies: 3 || 2014-05-06 18:29:04
this score is exactly like the rock!!!


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-06 18:31:29
More like the other way around, since this came out first. And, also, you're wrong.


Zimson2014-05-06 22:06:39
Yay, finally someone who dares to critisize Hans' 90's scores.


Mike2014-05-06 22:41:41
How's that a criticism? Even if the two scores are very similar, they're both great. ;)

Mike reply Replies: 2 || 2013-06-08 03:06:01
Apparently this score is a favorite of Steven Spielberg.


MacArthur2013-08-31 22:45:07
Where'd you here that


Mike2014-01-10 19:03:55
I don't remember (I believe it was an interview with Zimmer). Apparently Spielberg called him on the phone after seeing the movie and said it was a great score. lol.

MacArthur reply Replies: 0 || 2013-08-31 22:48:38
I love this score. Roll tide. and the Hymn are very very powerful and moving

matthew reply Replies: 1 || 2012-08-27 18:37:15
Little Ducks sounds completely different in the movie.
It's a different choir...


why?



MacArthur2013-08-31 22:47:31
It's not a different choir it's just a different key

Sura-at reply Replies: 0 || 2013-02-02 08:12:15
I having an opinion that: Zimmer, Scott and Crimson Tide
should be a combo for an epic movie. Because an epic score,
dramatic song (Mutiny and Roll Tide (I add "Mutiny" because
there's a "Roll Tide" section on 5'24, i think. Without hit)). I like you very much. You're my inspiration. I'm from Thailand. I signed into the school's band. I played an
anthem every morning. I'm having fun with playing music very much! I'm sure you'll keep making an incredible music
like this.

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2013-01-14 04:26:34
Can someone help me out? I don't really like having 20-min tracks, so what would be good increments to splice them into? For example (this is random), 4:56-8:43. I'm looking for examples such as that.

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2012-11-10 08:41:14
I just saw this movie and man, the end of 1SQ was so powerful. Awesome stuff, awesome movie.

Alex reply Replies: 1 || 2011-08-28 10:38:18
Please help my find music that plays in this video:
www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/vietnam-war/a mazing-vietnam-war-slideshow/876532312001/



ColeZimmer2012-08-21 13:11:06
"The Shawshank Redemption" by Thomas Newman

Magnus Rex reply Replies: 3 || 2012-08-20 07:35:04
Just found out Tony Scott killed himself tonight. I am stunned. So sad...


Agent Smith2012-08-20 10:03:27
very very very sad news. can't believe it right now. my prayers goes up to you tony and to your family. rest in peace, and thank you for your joy you've given to us...


Aggelos2012-08-20 17:20:21
Ya dudes, he will be sorely missed.... RIP Tony.....
The Tony Scott + Hans Zimmer + Crimson Tide combo was simply epic!!


Hybrid Soldier2012-08-20 19:23:47
:(

Takehiro reply Replies: 4 || 2011-06-26 02:47:29
With regards to the "complete score" that is going round. I did a little write up on it:

This 2CD is a bit of a con. Yes it has clean, unreleased music, but it is not complete (some small cues missing). Furthermore, it has a lot of repeated music.

RUNNING TIME AS IS: 98 mins approx

1/1. RUSSIAN CIVIL WAR
Unreleased - the main titles

1/2. MUTINY
As per the OST; the last 1:47 should come later

1/3. ALABAMA (FILM VERSION)
Partially unreleased - sounds like the first 2:28 of Alabama on the OST but this does not cut-off and is mixed slightly differently.

1/4. LITTLE DUCKS
As per the OST

1/5. DEFCON
Unreleased - Hunter's war speech

1/6. THE ENEMY IS WAR
Unreleased - The fire

1/7. RANGE AND SPEED
Unreleased commercially but available on a rare Nick Glennie Smith promo

1/8. ZULU TIME
Unreleased - the second Akula attack

1/9. AUTHENTICATION
Unreleased - Hunter getting the phone call to go to work

1/10. ALABAMA
As per the OST, plus the first 2:28 is already heard on CD1/3 of the CD!

2/1. ZERO BUBBLE
The last 9:49 of Alabama from the OST - another repeat of music heard in CD1/10!!!

2/2. 1SQ
As per the OST

2/3. THE ARMORY
Unreleased commercially but available on a rare Nick Glennie Smith promo. The title here is incorrect.

2/4. TORPEDOS
Unreleased - the first Akula attack

2/5. PEARL HARBOR
Unreleased - this is an alternate cue and not the actual courtoom music

2/6. ROLL TIDE
From the OST.

The correct, approximate running order would be as follows:

RUNNING TIME WITHOUT REPEATED MUSIC: 86 mins approx

1/1
1/9
1/2 (minus the last 1:47 or so)
1/4
1/5
1/6
1/2 (the last 1:47 or so)
1/3
1/10 (8:22 to 14:03)
1/7
2/4
1/8
1/10 (2:28 to 8:22)
2/1 (or the last 9:49 of 1/10!)
2/2
2/3
2/6
2/5

In closing, there IS a complete score (with no repeated music and the missing small cues) that lasts around 89 mins.
You may be able to get it if you look around.


Per2011-08-26 19:04:13
I doubt there is a real, full, complete score available. Outside Zimmer etc.'s "vault", that is.

If there is any it's probably still just a combination of the OST (perhaps with edited/splitted tracks) and these unreleased cues. And of course the cue 13M21 from the Dirty Pictures submission disc, which was, strangely enough, not on this "expanded" version.


Dawn2011-08-27 01:56:06
@Takehiro
You're wrong about 2/5 "Pearl Harbor", it is part of the Court of Inquiry sequence, but only used in the director's cut version of the film.
That cue is used during an extended part where Hunter is waiting and thinking in the corridor.

The right track order is :
2/5 (from 2011 expanded edition)
13M21 (from NGS's dirty pictures)
2/6 (from 2011 expanded edition)


Anonymous2011-08-27 03:52:12
@Per: with this expanded and NGS' cues, its pretty much complete


Per2011-08-27 15:40:24
Maybe the 'Pearl Harbor' cue were meant to fit the extended scene where Hunter sits in the corridor waiting originally. But it's not that music that's played during that scene. I don't know if it's a new/unreleased cue, but it could might as well be just something that's been reused from somewhere else. (It's very similar to for instance 11'27 - 11'50 on track 2, Alabama on the CD.)

If you combine the OST with all the available unreleased cues, it is indeed very close to being complete. It's mainly missing a short piece where Hunter is doing some boxing or whatever, and of course the full non-cutted/edited cues of some of the stuff on the OST. Not that important, since unlike other Zimmer CDs, it actually doesn't seem to have cutted pieces in the middle of cues. Maybe. It's mostly just the very end etc. of some cues that's been cutted, and faded into other cues.

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 0 || 2011-06-25 21:13:50
Let's all hope the complete film score is released this season!

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2011-06-25 09:44:26
On the 2CD, where is Authentication in the picture? The file names are misleading, and they are out of order


Anonymous2011-06-25 10:44:17
Furthermore, Court of Inquiry and Pearl Harbor dont seem to match the scene they are meant to be from...

Snake reply Replies: 0 || 2011-06-06 05:18:21
Damn it Zimmer!! Why aren't you a bad musician!?

We have Harry Gregson-Williams in the choir direction, Nick Glennie-Smith, Bruce Fowler as the orchestrator and Alan Meyerson in the mixes. This soundtrack has all!

We have great musician such as Harry Gregson-Williams, Klaus Badelt, John Powell and young talents such as Steve Jablonsky and Ramin Djawadi, thanks to Zimmer's teachings. He revolutioned and changed the film score genre and I think it was necessary. Who said John Williams is the best? No way!

Zimmer is the best!

Thank God fo him.

Takehiro reply Replies: 9 || 2011-04-11 00:00:00
2CD Expanded Score, no SFX

DISC ONE:
1. RUSSIAN CIVIL WAR
2. MUTINY
3. ALABAMA (Film Edit)
4. LITTLE DUCKS
5. DEFCON
6. THE ENEMY IS WAR
7. RANGE AND SPEED
8. ZULU TIME
9. AUTHENTICATION
10. ALABAMA

DISC TWO:
1. ZERO BUBBLE
2. 1SG
3. THE ARMORY
4. TORPEDOS
5. PEARL HARBOR
6. ROLL TIDE

It looks like a fake to me but you never know...


Bondo2011-05-08 09:10:34
It's not a fake :D
I can confirm it's expanded but without the DVD handy, I can't say if it's complete or not. It DOES however contain the much sought-after Torpedo Attack scene (08 - Zulu Time)


Anonymous2011-05-08 09:59:12
Its expanded. Even without the DVD I know from playing it.


Bondo2011-05-09 06:52:01
FYI I can confirm that "Range and Speed" and "The Armory" are from Nick Glennie-Smith's Dirty Pictures promo, possibly the other 2 tracks as well; I'll have to check. And I'm in no way 100% certain, but "Zulu Time" sounds remarkably like "Rocket Away" from THE ROCK. Any thoughts?


Gavin Salkeld - Composer2011-05-09 21:26:24
Its definitely not from The Rock lol. The Pearl Harbor cue is also from a NGS promo, I have so many I forget which one.


Bondo2011-05-09 22:45:36
I know it's not FROM The Rock, but the samples and style are. I never realized just how similar the two scores were until I heard these extra CT tracks


Anonymous2011-05-09 23:58:58
Zimmer used those same samples for years!


Bondo2011-05-10 00:04:10
Not the ones I'm talking about; remember this was 1995. We know which tracks Nick Glennie-Smith contributed to Zimmer scores prior (Point of No Return, Beyond Rangoon, Drop Zone), so you can hear which samples HE used for CT and The Rock.


HZLeaks2011-05-10 02:03:18
Everyone at MV shared samples, especially in the early days. Some of them even cropped up as late as 2003 in POTC lol

Anyway the 2CD here isnt complete, I have some extra clean cues Im going to put into it to make it more complete


Bondo2011-05-10 02:32:16
Thanks for sharing, that'd be awesome to hear! Perhaps I wasn't clear earlier... what I was trying to say is that since Hybrid was kind enough to break down THE ROCK several years back as to who-scored-which-cues (on the forum), several of the new Crimson Tide cues (Range and Speed, Zulu Time) sound more like NG-S and less like Zimmer. There were certain samples, especially in the 1990s, that NG-S used quite often. I may or may not be right about these 2 tracks, it's just an educated guess.

fabien reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-07 13:34:33
it's not. I could listen to some of these tracks on internet some time ago !

Gav reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-10 00:00:00
The complete score is out there and has been out there for a while. Just no one is sharing it :(

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2011-03-10 00:00:00
Whats the deal with the 2CD expanded version? Is it real?

Snake reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-12 00:00:00
Damn it Zimmer!! Why aren't you a bad musician!?

We have Harry Gregson-Williamsin the choir direction, Nick Glennie-Smith, Bruce Fowler as the orchestrator and Alan Mayerson in the mixes. This soundtrack has all!

We have great musician such as Harry Gregson-Williams, Klaus Badelt, John Powell and others, thanks to Zimmer's teachings. He revolutioned and changed film scores and I think it was necessary. Who said John Williams is the best? No way!

Zimmer is the best!

Thank God fo him.

Hale reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-08 00:00:00
You can't find this music. It's unreleased. Some good parts of the score are still missing.
Like "Fire Incident"(beginning)- When Denzel Washington practices boxe after the "Fire Incident", some choral parts which ponctue the submarine scenes, "The First Torpedo Attack" and some action/thriller cues composed by Nick- Glennie Smith (on his promo "Showreel).

matthew reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-07 00:00:00
I'm looking for the music during The FIRST torpedo attack. Where can I find it?

Jokeysmurf reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-29 00:00:00
Sorry i vorgot to say, i here the music vie "Auadials-Radiotracker" (Internet-radio-player) from CINEMIX-Channel etc., this sends ever so often wrong title information !

Jokeysmurf reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-29 00:00:00
Please Help me !

Any "Crimson Tide" music titles remember me on "The Rock" movie, other web portals tell me too, this music comes from the "Rock" Movie. What's correct ??? I'am very confused (irritatet) !

Sorry me english is not the best, i'am german !

I love Hans music !!! I'am dreaming....

Sabrina reply Replies: 0 || 2010-04-14 00:00:00
This score made me a Hans Zimmer fan. I still get chills whenever I listen to it. It's pure magic. Thank you so much! The rhythm of the strings, the whole arrangement, it's simply perfect. :)

Brandy reply Replies: 0 || 2010-02-24 00:00:00
The music is amazing, crimson tide is one of my favorite movies, because of the music. I am drawn to it. Hans, your music satisfy's my soul

Ami, Finland reply Replies: 0 || 2009-01-13 00:00:00
Crimson Tide is the most ultimate track ever, it sounds so powerful and it penetrates to your brains! Excellent work of art. Hans, you must be a god=)

From North Africa reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-19 00:00:00
I really can't stop hearing this beautiful score beautiful and incredible thank you Mr.Zimmer you are the king of kings you should know that

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