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"It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain."<br><br>I didn't think it was possible for a Bay fan of all people to be this insufferably pretentious.<br><br>I thought that was more Snyder fanboy territory.<br><br>But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br><br>Kudos, man.  Kudos.<br><br>You can hide behind however many fallacies you want.  If "Not to me" and "You do you" didn't give it away early on in this thread, I DIDN'T try to treat my opinions as fact.<br><br>But that doesn't mean I'm going to add a little "IMO" at the end of every goddamn sentence just to coddle you. <br><br>On the flip-side, consistently making appeals to authority and popularity, "B-b-but Spielberg said!", "B-b-but the Forbes poll said!" don't make you objective.<br><br>Y'know, it's funny.  When I listed off better blockbuster examples, you could've very easily just argued against them on the level of the films themselves, and everything would've been fine.<br><br>Sure, you would've just claimed you can't see the action at night sooner, which is rich when you praise the film series that puts the subjects of its action scenes OUT OF FOCUS every other shot, but hey, that's just honest opinions versus honest opinions.<br><br>But using two belated half-assed sequels from different, less talented directors that lost most of the appeal of the first movies, as some sorta litmus test for how well-liked the first movies were, is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard.  That's not objectivity, that's not even confusing correlation with causation, that's saying 1+2=4.<br><br>That's the real joke here.  Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact.  I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here.  It's psychotic.<br><br>Bad movies make money.  Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.  But if that's the kinda road you wanna go down, I guess movies like Avatar, The Force Awakens, or all the Avengers movies, are "objectively" better movies in every conceivable way than anything Bay has made in his entire career.  I mean, CLEARLY those films must have a bolder style and push more boundaries.<br><br>Why else would more people watch and rewatch them, right?<br><br>Reasonable causation is for those goshdarn geek journos.<br><br>And by the way, The Last Knight lost money.  Period.  Almost 100M according to Paramount themselves.<br><br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br><br>Have a nice day.Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br>==================<br><br>Kinda ironic, coming from you....but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you! <br><br>And yes, he sides with me because what I say is common sense. For whatever reason, you have these strong negative feelings toward Bay films and those feelings blind you to some pretty obvious truths. <br><br>Have to say tho - for a 'hater' you sure know A LOT about him, his style and his movies. <br><br>Just admit it - you are a huge Bay fan but you just want to score some points with the snobbish internet crowd. <br><br><br><br>============<br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br>============<br><br>Oh, you're one of THOSE people......"Fury Roaaaaaaaaad is DA BEST FILM EVAAAAAAAA".<br><br>Let me guess: you also think that Nolan is the greatest director/person of all time. On par with Jesus himself. <br><br><br><br>==========<br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br>==========<br><br>Which is what Transformers 1 is. <br><br>Which is why the movie connected with audiences. It was - at its heart - a story about a boy and his car. Even the most jaded critics enjoyed that aspect.<br><br><br>=============<br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br>=============<br><br>Excuse? For what?<br><br>My friend, you do realize that Bay in particular is one of the most powerful and successful filmmakers of all time, right? He is the second highest-grossing director of all time (domestically), only behind Spielberg. You can dismiss box office success all you want but you don't get to where Bay is if you're not good at your job. <br><br>Snyder is nowhere near Bay, in terms of success and influence. Personally, I don't care much about him. <br><br><br>P.S. Guy Ritchie (and Edgar Wright) are huge Bay fans. Ask yourself why. <br><br><br>===============<br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole<br>===============<br><br>Your opinion.<br><br>I disagree.Bay walks the lines between being self-serious and comical, but his films aren't well=written enough to serve the former, or witty enough to serve the latter, and the end-result is droll and annoying.<br>====================<br><br>You sure you're not a "writer" for one of those ridiculous geek sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Slash Film? Because you sound a lot like one of those "beloved" writers. <br><br>Anyway......Yes, Bay's movies always walk that line but whether that works or not is........Yes! a matter of opinion. For me, Pain and Gain is one of the best modern satires while for you it is - I'm guessing - "droll and annoying".<br><br>It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain. <br><br>Some of you folks are indeed very hard to please. <br><br><br>===============<br>The first POTC earns it. The Bad Boys 2 doesn't. Infinity War earns it. TF 1/2/3/4/5 doesn't.<br>==============<br><br>Okay, now that statement is the best joke of the year! Thank you for the good laugh! Really! Oh, and I've definitely argued with you before, my friend. You are clearly one of those ten Bay haters from the IMDb forums who claim to hate everything the man does, yet they have seen EVERYTHING he had done. Why is that, I wonder?<br><br><br>===========<br>Fitting, as Synder and Bay are cut from a very similar cloth. Difference is, unless we're talking Man of Steel, I'd sooner rely on Snyder for consistently good action sequences<br>===========<br><br>Well, I would trust Spielberg on this. Because it was Spielberg who said, and I quote: "Michael (Bay) is one of the greatest action directors. He has the best eye in Hollywood." Spielberg works with a lot of directors. But he never said anything like that about any other director. So clearly he means what he says about Bay. And....you know......unlike most people, Speilberg actually knows a thing or two about filmmaking. <br><br><br>================<br>300 didn't try to start a franchise. It was a one-off adaptation of a graphic novel in the same vein as Sin City, and was successful. They tried to make a cash-grab sequel almost a decade later, without Snyder, and it failed. That's hardly the first film's fault.<br>================<br><br>It is a clear proof that people weren't that excited to visit this world again. And mind you, that happened with the first sequel! Talk about a one-time thing, huh?<br><br>At the same time, Bay made FOUR Transformers movies - with different casts - before there were any signs of audience fatigue. <br><br>That speaks for itself.<br><br>===========<br>Pacific Rim suffered from lackluster marketing, and yet still managed to turn a profit and attract a strong following.<br>==========<br><br>Excuses, excuses, excuses.....So you can display all the excuses in the world for Pac Rim but when it comes to Transformers, you don't accept anything. <br><br>Double standard much?<br><br>P.S. That "strong following" is on the internet. The same following that was supposed to make Scott Pillgrim a huge hit. Everyone knows that internet hype is not real-world hype. I know very well the type of people who act as if Pac Rim is the best thing since sliced bread. Total geeks who are angry that Transformers is much more popular and much more successful than Del Toro's "let's shoot all the robot fights in pitch black so audiences can't see shit" movie.  <br><br>Also, let's not pretend that Pac Rim is a universally beloved film. You know very well that there are A LOT of detractors as well. That's what you get when people can't tell what's going on during the movie because you shot it all at night. Just like that Godzilla movie. <br><br><br>============<br>Versus something like Transformers, which has piggybacked on an established IP, relentless marketing campaigns and tie-ins, and a fairly consistent release schedule. And even then, recycling the same bullshit eventually took its toll.<br>============<br><br><br>Wrong.<br><br>Do you read Forbes? You should. Because it's a place where objective people write. It ain't a stupid militant film geek site like Ain't it Cool News or Screen Rant.<br><br>Forbes published multiple articles explaining in great detail why the Transformers movies were successful EXACTLY because they were directed by Bay. Whether you like it or not, my friend, Bay is a brand. He is an auteur. There were multiple polls before the first two Transformers movies and Bay being the director was one of the main reasons for people to watch the movies. <br><br>But I guess you missed all of that, huh?<br><br>How convenient.<br><br><br>==============<br>Friendly reminder that AoE also relied on China (more pathetically then even Pacific Rim did) to compensate for diminishing domestic returns. To say nothing of TLK outright bombing.<br>==============<br><br>First: according to ACTUAL real data, the only TF movie that was saved by China is.......Bumblebee! Yeah, you better believe it. Go to Deadline and Forbes and read it for yourself.<br><br>Second: TLK bombed domestically, yes. <br>But not internationally. No one with actual knowledge of the situation refers to that movie as an international "bomb". Besides, there were 4 super successful TF movies before TLK. So Bay got nothing to prove. He already created one of the biggfest film franchises in history. <br><br>How many directors can say that?<br><br><br><br>==================<br>I know you like debunking Bay naysayers with "facts and logic," but it helps to not be grossly disingenuous while doing it<br>==================<br><br><br>Goes both ways, my friend. But unlike most naysayers, I don't treat my own personal opinions as facts. And if I'm being "disingenuous" then I don't even know what to say about some Bay haters who refuse to accept even the most obvious facts and truths.nopeYou realize there is a very easy and free method to get the music from that site, dont you?
Random thought but this got me thinking about Zanelli's history with fantasy.<br><br>Whatever happened to his score for Delgo?  I know it's been accused of being super derivative of his other works anyways but still, it's weird to see a RCP score just drop off the face of the Earth like that.There's just something really charming about seeing a prototype for a famous future theme showing up in an old score.<br><br>Or in PotC's case, SCORES.The only ones I've seen properly confirmed are the cues Badelt had listed on his website. The issue with everything else is that there's certain themes that's been associated with certain people, but aren't credited for every appearance. Not to mention that I've never really seen much official credits elsewhere, so I take any that I've seen with a grain of salt.This comment was made before that was properly confirmed, so he was likely going to do it solo at the time.I thought Hans was collaborating with Faltermayer For Top Gun 2
From both ASCAP and GEMACan these be accessed anywhere?The dream is collapsing... :oHoly f*ck, just listened to "Too Many Notes..." and its containing pirates theme itself from Pirates of the caribbean'No Good About Goodbye' was never the intended song for QOS. It was composed after the film was completed using thematic material from the film for Shirley Bassey to perform on her, David Arnold produced album, 'The Performance'
Those files are just sitting there.<br><br>Undownloadable.<br><br>Taunting me.@Ds<br>Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br><br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br><br>I already discussed 300 and Pacific Rim.  Clearly deep scripts aren't what I'm aiming for here when I talk about good blockbusters.<br><br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br><br>300's a great example of this, though unfortunately a lot of Snyder's other work isn't, and Bay is close behind.  Their films get bogged with way too much obnoxious bullshit to make the odd sequence worth it.<br><br>The Scorponok sequence from TF1, the warehouse fight from BvS, that's real standout stuff.  Stuff that loses a lot of its luster when surrounded by two-and-a-half, or god forbid THREE, hours of self-serious pretense, lazy humor, and/or annoying characters.<br><br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br><br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole, and need to learn to consolidate their efforts into something that brings out their best and subdues their worst.  Snyder in particular has SERIOUSLY misjudged where his talent is lately.Well, Steve, about the score, says he still working on it.<br><br>I can't wait.A snippet of the verse (at 0:49) also shows up occasionally in the score, in Somebody Wants to Kill You, the end of Greene and Camille, and Field Trip.Ist there any chance for concert in Poland during this tour?
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Additional Music - Conductor - Orchestrator
Hans ZimmerNick Glennie-SmithChristopher WardJay Rifkin
ComposerAdditional MusicAdditional ArrangementsScore Producer
Crimson Tide
Label: Hollywood Records
Length: 60'17
HZimmer.com rating:        5/5
Fans rating:     rate at 1 out of 5 rate at 2 out of 5 rate at 3 out of 5 rate at 4 out of 5 rate at 5 out of 5   3/5 (12815 votes)
  1. Mutiny (8:57)
  2. Alabama (23:50)
  3. Little Ducks (2:03)
  4. 1SQ (18:03)
  5. Roll Tide (7:33) *
* Includes Hymn "Eternal Father Strong To Save" written by John B. Dykes with words by William Whiting
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Knight reply Replies: 5 || 2019-04-17 16:16:01
Okay, so doing the same stuff that Hybrid does is illegal here now. Cool


Anonymous2019-04-17 18:50:20
Also calling jumanji (the one jackman scored) anything but a good film - is also illegal and gets your comment removed


Hybrid Soldier2019-04-18 08:12:41
Having an opinion is one thing. Not being intellectually able to express it without being rude & stupid is another thing. Once you find a way to combine the two, your comments will stay.

And Knight, just don't push it.


Knight2019-04-18 08:20:41
Excuse me for doing the thing you didn't bother to do.


Hybrid Soldier2019-04-18 15:30:30
Says the guy who took his intel from... me...


Knight2019-04-18 16:56:40
You did it for the complete, which is "illegal" and only available in certain circles, not the OST which is commercially available. I simply did what you could have done yourself easily but chose not to.

nvictor reply Replies: 1 || 2019-01-26 14:43:28
i realized going back to this score how well the alternate theme worked with the main theme! when listening, my mind is always eager to hear the other theme return. they kind of complete each other. truly some master stuff here. i wish someone more knowledgeable would do an in-depth analysis of this score. thematic scores don't seem to be the thing nowadays but wow, the more i know how these things are made, the more i can appreciate the work.


Mr Tweedy2019-01-30 02:14:51
Well, when you speak about the "alternate" theme, I guess you're talking about the one heard in the first few seconds of Roll Tide.
This is Hunter's 's theme (Denzel Washington's). You can hear it on guitar in Mutiny or several times in a more "action" shape on 1SQ.
Than you have Ramsey's theme (Gene Hackman's), heard around 8:15 in Mutiny, several times in a more heavy fashion on Alabama's second half, and quieter during Roll Tide's second half.

The main theme, the one everyone knows, symbolizes the submarine as well as the mission itself. It's made of two parts : a long, drama, orchestra progression, and the other one, vibrant and triumphant.

The alternating two-notes theme (primarily heard on choir but also sporadically on strings) usually evokes the nukes / war.

The opening of Mutiny, the very slow progression usually serves as another nuclear threat idea that is reprised here and there.

Knight reply Replies: 0 || 2019-01-10 12:51:45
Hybrid, do you think you could do a breakdown of this album or just list what NGS' & John Dyke's credits are?

Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 0 || 2017-01-01 23:32:44
Nice to return to this score again.
Happy new year!

Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 0 || 2016-01-23 14:41:38
Hybrid Soldier, did mr.Zimmer said anything for Tony Scott's suicide? I believe he felt very bad...

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Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 0 || 2015-07-10 00:03:40
Still....a top classic from mr.Zimmer!!!
One of his best!!
I am very happy to own this album.

Man With No Name reply Replies: 3 || 2014-05-06 18:29:04
this score is exactly like the rock!!!


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-06 18:31:29
More like the other way around, since this came out first. And, also, you're wrong.


Zimson2014-05-06 22:06:39
Yay, finally someone who dares to critisize Hans' 90's scores.


Mike2014-05-06 22:41:41
How's that a criticism? Even if the two scores are very similar, they're both great. ;)

Mike reply Replies: 2 || 2013-06-08 03:06:01
Apparently this score is a favorite of Steven Spielberg.


MacArthur2013-08-31 22:45:07
Where'd you here that


Mike2014-01-10 19:03:55
I don't remember (I believe it was an interview with Zimmer). Apparently Spielberg called him on the phone after seeing the movie and said it was a great score. lol.

MacArthur reply Replies: 0 || 2013-08-31 22:48:38
I love this score. Roll tide. and the Hymn are very very powerful and moving

matthew reply Replies: 1 || 2012-08-27 18:37:15
Little Ducks sounds completely different in the movie.
It's a different choir...


why?



MacArthur2013-08-31 22:47:31
It's not a different choir it's just a different key

Sura-at reply Replies: 0 || 2013-02-02 08:12:15
I having an opinion that: Zimmer, Scott and Crimson Tide
should be a combo for an epic movie. Because an epic score,
dramatic song (Mutiny and Roll Tide (I add "Mutiny" because
there's a "Roll Tide" section on 5'24, i think. Without hit)). I like you very much. You're my inspiration. I'm from Thailand. I signed into the school's band. I played an
anthem every morning. I'm having fun with playing music very much! I'm sure you'll keep making an incredible music
like this.

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2013-01-14 04:26:34
Can someone help me out? I don't really like having 20-min tracks, so what would be good increments to splice them into? For example (this is random), 4:56-8:43. I'm looking for examples such as that.

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2012-11-10 08:41:14
I just saw this movie and man, the end of 1SQ was so powerful. Awesome stuff, awesome movie.

Alex reply Replies: 1 || 2011-08-28 10:38:18
Please help my find music that plays in this video:
www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/vietnam-war/a mazing-vietnam-war-slideshow/876532312001/



ColeZimmer2012-08-21 13:11:06
"The Shawshank Redemption" by Thomas Newman

Magnus Rex reply Replies: 3 || 2012-08-20 07:35:04
Just found out Tony Scott killed himself tonight. I am stunned. So sad...


Agent Smith2012-08-20 10:03:27
very very very sad news. can't believe it right now. my prayers goes up to you tony and to your family. rest in peace, and thank you for your joy you've given to us...


Aggelos2012-08-20 17:20:21
Ya dudes, he will be sorely missed.... RIP Tony.....
The Tony Scott + Hans Zimmer + Crimson Tide combo was simply epic!!


Hybrid Soldier2012-08-20 19:23:47
:(

Takehiro reply Replies: 4 || 2011-06-26 02:47:29
With regards to the "complete score" that is going round. I did a little write up on it:

This 2CD is a bit of a con. Yes it has clean, unreleased music, but it is not complete (some small cues missing). Furthermore, it has a lot of repeated music.

RUNNING TIME AS IS: 98 mins approx

1/1. RUSSIAN CIVIL WAR
Unreleased - the main titles

1/2. MUTINY
As per the OST; the last 1:47 should come later

1/3. ALABAMA (FILM VERSION)
Partially unreleased - sounds like the first 2:28 of Alabama on the OST but this does not cut-off and is mixed slightly differently.

1/4. LITTLE DUCKS
As per the OST

1/5. DEFCON
Unreleased - Hunter's war speech

1/6. THE ENEMY IS WAR
Unreleased - The fire

1/7. RANGE AND SPEED
Unreleased commercially but available on a rare Nick Glennie Smith promo

1/8. ZULU TIME
Unreleased - the second Akula attack

1/9. AUTHENTICATION
Unreleased - Hunter getting the phone call to go to work

1/10. ALABAMA
As per the OST, plus the first 2:28 is already heard on CD1/3 of the CD!

2/1. ZERO BUBBLE
The last 9:49 of Alabama from the OST - another repeat of music heard in CD1/10!!!

2/2. 1SQ
As per the OST

2/3. THE ARMORY
Unreleased commercially but available on a rare Nick Glennie Smith promo. The title here is incorrect.

2/4. TORPEDOS
Unreleased - the first Akula attack

2/5. PEARL HARBOR
Unreleased - this is an alternate cue and not the actual courtoom music

2/6. ROLL TIDE
From the OST.

The correct, approximate running order would be as follows:

RUNNING TIME WITHOUT REPEATED MUSIC: 86 mins approx

1/1
1/9
1/2 (minus the last 1:47 or so)
1/4
1/5
1/6
1/2 (the last 1:47 or so)
1/3
1/10 (8:22 to 14:03)
1/7
2/4
1/8
1/10 (2:28 to 8:22)
2/1 (or the last 9:49 of 1/10!)
2/2
2/3
2/6
2/5

In closing, there IS a complete score (with no repeated music and the missing small cues) that lasts around 89 mins.
You may be able to get it if you look around.


Per2011-08-26 19:04:13
I doubt there is a real, full, complete score available. Outside Zimmer etc.'s "vault", that is.

If there is any it's probably still just a combination of the OST (perhaps with edited/splitted tracks) and these unreleased cues. And of course the cue 13M21 from the Dirty Pictures submission disc, which was, strangely enough, not on this "expanded" version.


Dawn2011-08-27 01:56:06
@Takehiro
You're wrong about 2/5 "Pearl Harbor", it is part of the Court of Inquiry sequence, but only used in the director's cut version of the film.
That cue is used during an extended part where Hunter is waiting and thinking in the corridor.

The right track order is :
2/5 (from 2011 expanded edition)
13M21 (from NGS's dirty pictures)
2/6 (from 2011 expanded edition)


Anonymous2011-08-27 03:52:12
@Per: with this expanded and NGS' cues, its pretty much complete


Per2011-08-27 15:40:24
Maybe the 'Pearl Harbor' cue were meant to fit the extended scene where Hunter sits in the corridor waiting originally. But it's not that music that's played during that scene. I don't know if it's a new/unreleased cue, but it could might as well be just something that's been reused from somewhere else. (It's very similar to for instance 11'27 - 11'50 on track 2, Alabama on the CD.)

If you combine the OST with all the available unreleased cues, it is indeed very close to being complete. It's mainly missing a short piece where Hunter is doing some boxing or whatever, and of course the full non-cutted/edited cues of some of the stuff on the OST. Not that important, since unlike other Zimmer CDs, it actually doesn't seem to have cutted pieces in the middle of cues. Maybe. It's mostly just the very end etc. of some cues that's been cutted, and faded into other cues.

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 0 || 2011-06-25 21:13:50
Let's all hope the complete film score is released this season!

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2011-06-25 09:44:26
On the 2CD, where is Authentication in the picture? The file names are misleading, and they are out of order


Anonymous2011-06-25 10:44:17
Furthermore, Court of Inquiry and Pearl Harbor dont seem to match the scene they are meant to be from...

Snake reply Replies: 0 || 2011-06-06 05:18:21
Damn it Zimmer!! Why aren't you a bad musician!?

We have Harry Gregson-Williams in the choir direction, Nick Glennie-Smith, Bruce Fowler as the orchestrator and Alan Meyerson in the mixes. This soundtrack has all!

We have great musician such as Harry Gregson-Williams, Klaus Badelt, John Powell and young talents such as Steve Jablonsky and Ramin Djawadi, thanks to Zimmer's teachings. He revolutioned and changed the film score genre and I think it was necessary. Who said John Williams is the best? No way!

Zimmer is the best!

Thank God fo him.

Takehiro reply Replies: 9 || 2011-04-11 00:00:00
2CD Expanded Score, no SFX

DISC ONE:
1. RUSSIAN CIVIL WAR
2. MUTINY
3. ALABAMA (Film Edit)
4. LITTLE DUCKS
5. DEFCON
6. THE ENEMY IS WAR
7. RANGE AND SPEED
8. ZULU TIME
9. AUTHENTICATION
10. ALABAMA

DISC TWO:
1. ZERO BUBBLE
2. 1SG
3. THE ARMORY
4. TORPEDOS
5. PEARL HARBOR
6. ROLL TIDE

It looks like a fake to me but you never know...


Bondo2011-05-08 09:10:34
It's not a fake :D
I can confirm it's expanded but without the DVD handy, I can't say if it's complete or not. It DOES however contain the much sought-after Torpedo Attack scene (08 - Zulu Time)


Anonymous2011-05-08 09:59:12
Its expanded. Even without the DVD I know from playing it.


Bondo2011-05-09 06:52:01
FYI I can confirm that "Range and Speed" and "The Armory" are from Nick Glennie-Smith's Dirty Pictures promo, possibly the other 2 tracks as well; I'll have to check. And I'm in no way 100% certain, but "Zulu Time" sounds remarkably like "Rocket Away" from THE ROCK. Any thoughts?


Gavin Salkeld - Composer2011-05-09 21:26:24
Its definitely not from The Rock lol. The Pearl Harbor cue is also from a NGS promo, I have so many I forget which one.


Bondo2011-05-09 22:45:36
I know it's not FROM The Rock, but the samples and style are. I never realized just how similar the two scores were until I heard these extra CT tracks


Anonymous2011-05-09 23:58:58
Zimmer used those same samples for years!


Bondo2011-05-10 00:04:10
Not the ones I'm talking about; remember this was 1995. We know which tracks Nick Glennie-Smith contributed to Zimmer scores prior (Point of No Return, Beyond Rangoon, Drop Zone), so you can hear which samples HE used for CT and The Rock.


HZLeaks2011-05-10 02:03:18
Everyone at MV shared samples, especially in the early days. Some of them even cropped up as late as 2003 in POTC lol

Anyway the 2CD here isnt complete, I have some extra clean cues Im going to put into it to make it more complete


Bondo2011-05-10 02:32:16
Thanks for sharing, that'd be awesome to hear! Perhaps I wasn't clear earlier... what I was trying to say is that since Hybrid was kind enough to break down THE ROCK several years back as to who-scored-which-cues (on the forum), several of the new Crimson Tide cues (Range and Speed, Zulu Time) sound more like NG-S and less like Zimmer. There were certain samples, especially in the 1990s, that NG-S used quite often. I may or may not be right about these 2 tracks, it's just an educated guess.

fabien reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-07 13:34:33
it's not. I could listen to some of these tracks on internet some time ago !

Gav reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-10 00:00:00
The complete score is out there and has been out there for a while. Just no one is sharing it :(

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2011-03-10 00:00:00
Whats the deal with the 2CD expanded version? Is it real?

Snake reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-12 00:00:00
Damn it Zimmer!! Why aren't you a bad musician!?

We have Harry Gregson-Williamsin the choir direction, Nick Glennie-Smith, Bruce Fowler as the orchestrator and Alan Mayerson in the mixes. This soundtrack has all!

We have great musician such as Harry Gregson-Williams, Klaus Badelt, John Powell and others, thanks to Zimmer's teachings. He revolutioned and changed film scores and I think it was necessary. Who said John Williams is the best? No way!

Zimmer is the best!

Thank God fo him.

Hale reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-08 00:00:00
You can't find this music. It's unreleased. Some good parts of the score are still missing.
Like "Fire Incident"(beginning)- When Denzel Washington practices boxe after the "Fire Incident", some choral parts which ponctue the submarine scenes, "The First Torpedo Attack" and some action/thriller cues composed by Nick- Glennie Smith (on his promo "Showreel).

matthew reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-07 00:00:00
I'm looking for the music during The FIRST torpedo attack. Where can I find it?

Jokeysmurf reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-29 00:00:00
Sorry i vorgot to say, i here the music vie "Auadials-Radiotracker" (Internet-radio-player) from CINEMIX-Channel etc., this sends ever so often wrong title information !

Jokeysmurf reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-29 00:00:00
Please Help me !

Any "Crimson Tide" music titles remember me on "The Rock" movie, other web portals tell me too, this music comes from the "Rock" Movie. What's correct ??? I'am very confused (irritatet) !

Sorry me english is not the best, i'am german !

I love Hans music !!! I'am dreaming....

Sabrina reply Replies: 0 || 2010-04-14 00:00:00
This score made me a Hans Zimmer fan. I still get chills whenever I listen to it. It's pure magic. Thank you so much! The rhythm of the strings, the whole arrangement, it's simply perfect. :)

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