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The score reflects the situation of DC movies very well. If Zimmer, like Snyder, continued, the result may not please everyone. A lot of people were unhappy with Snyder's work in the genre, just as many fans of soundtrack were with Zimmer's contributions that never followed the path taken by all the other composers who came before him.<br><br>The two left (regardless of the reason that led them to do this).<br><br>When Zimmer left everyone knew that XL would not hold the pressure or that the result would not be satisfactory for most.<br><br>When Elfman and Whedon were announced we all knew that they were hired to go against everything DC has done before to try to reach the first film of the franchise to reach 1 billion. Even if they were to follow Marvel's script and drop their originality.<br><br>But the hiring of Elfman and Whedon shows that the studio was long lost. Snyder succumbed to BvS. The only salvation for the DCEU are the solo films like Wonder Woman, the next Batman, Aquaman ...and freedom. Freedom for the directors, composers... Warner has always had this advantage over Marvel.@Edmund <br>Given the chance I think Junkie probably could deliver a pretty fun score that stayed thematically consistent with the current universe. It all depends on what the studio/director wants out of the music. The biggest disappointment to me is that this was a huge missed opportunity to do a heroic take on Zimmer’s Superman theme, something we haven’t heard since MoS. Hell, even the trailers did that.... -_-rumor has it Lorne Balfe did this score<br><br>I guess if we do not get any credits then that proves it<br>======================================<br><br>Oh, absolutely! I'm sure we will soon find out that Balfe also scored Star Wars and Titanic. And Harry Potter. And Indiana Jones.Edmund, I somewhat agree - I've seen very little from Junkie to make me think this would have been a groundbreaking, wonderful score. However, maybe it's the Zimmer fan in me, but I would have loved to hear "stock, barely-altered reprises of Zimmer's themes all over the place" in this score. So many scenes begged for just that. Compositionally it doesn't make for an interesting soundtrack or film score, I agree, but I would be willing to sacrifice that for thematic continuity.I certainly understand the criticisms leveled at Elfman's JL score, but I'm not at all convinced Junkie would have been a better option. I've never been too convinced by him anyway (Mad Max was a situation where his sound happened to be a good fit, but even then I think a better composer could have made much more out of the same ingredients). And since anything worthwhile in the previous two (and yeah, I'm aware I like MoS and BvS waaaaaaaay less than the average reader of this site) ended up being by Hans anyway, I really doubt Junkie flying solo would have been up to much. My guess is he would have pulled out stock, barely-altered reprises of Zimmer's themes all over the place without adding much new material on his own, which would have satisfied the DC fans more than what Elfman did, sure, but would have been a lot less interesting as a score album. I mean, say what you want about the questionable thematic decisions Elfman made, the two gigantic full-length action cues are pretty solid in and of themselves. I'll take that over Junkie letting the drums pound for eleven minutes straight, any day of the week.
The studio is the music owner now.There you go. So we probably will never get to hear what Tom planned/did for this movie. I really believe that it would've been great compared to the generic score we got. <br>Only two tracks stood out to me and only one was an actual cue from the movie.Gabriel Yared leaked his Troy back in 2004 but I think he got in quite a lot of trouble for that. There's a reason he hasn't done too many high profile films since then, I think. A few rejecteds have slipped out over the years but it's pretty unheard of for the composer himself to be the one to leak it I think, that would be career suicide if they got caught. Usually they come out the same way complete scores do, some anonymous person working on the scoring team probably did it.and Zimmer criticized Elfman...back and forth, etc. So what? The movie is lame, the score is about as lame as Bat V Sup@JBSO99 you're right. It's so big and widely spread.<br><br>And you're right about me forgetting those score. I just picked these three because Elfman critized Zimmer
@Iamtommie  You forgot the theme by Elliot Goldenthal for Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, for not to mention the theme from the 60's TV show and all the themes for all the different animated motion pictures such as The Dark Knight Returns, Mask of the Phantasm, or the videogames like the Arkham series.<br><br>Batman's musical legacy is very big so him saying there is only one theme and his the one he created is really disrespectful to a big amount of composers.Yeah, that's what I thought you meant. And that's what Elfman should have done if he wanted to use the old themes.I think what Elfman said is not true.<br>Batman has different themes for different movies because every Batman is different.<br><br>Michael Keaton as Batman: Elfman's Theme<br>Christian Bale as Batman: Hans' Theme<br>Ben Affleck as Batman: Hans & Junkie's Theme.<br>Of course much more but the most important.<br><br>Each one if dies Batman's have a different story and a different universe. I think that for each universe a new theme is the best thing you can do. With a different theme you can relate more to this Batman than a previous one.<br><br>By the way, I think TDK, MoS & WW are 3 of the top 10 themes by Zimmer. I think what Elfman did the WW theme is an abomination. He removed the key instrument in the theme because he thought it was childisch.<br><br>I think the Justce League score is way worse than previous DCEU or Batman movies. I hope that Lorne of Junkie will do future DCUE movies instead of Elfman.<br><br>(Seeing Justice League thursday. I am curious if it is really that bad as everyine says)GITS was unreleased, JXL's JL score was completely rejected. The real qustion is how many rejected scores have leaked in the history of modern film scoring?Ghost in a thing that doesn't have life but does
Which score would that be?Seeing as how Lorne Balfe “leaked” his own score, I wonder if Tom could easily do the same?Haha - honestly though, before I realized this I felt Jablonsky didn't really bind the score together that well with themes and motifs. This is a pretty cool connection and I'm glad he made it.Almost like this was a film score or something! ;)I don't suppose you have credits for this score, Hybrid?
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Hans ZimmerNick Glennie-SmithChristopher WardJay Rifkin
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Crimson Tide
Label: Hollywood Records
Length: 60'17
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  1. Mutiny (8:57)
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  4. 1SQ (18:03)
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* Includes Hymn "Eternal Father Strong To Save" written by John B. Dykes with words by William Whiting
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Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 0 || 2017-01-01 23:32:44
Nice to return to this score again.
Happy new year!

Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 0 || 2016-01-23 14:41:38
Hybrid Soldier, did mr.Zimmer said anything for Tony Scott's suicide? I believe he felt very bad...

Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 0 || 2015-07-10 00:03:40
Still....a top classic from mr.Zimmer!!!
One of his best!!
I am very happy to own this album.

Man With No Name reply Replies: 3 || 2014-05-06 18:29:04
this score is exactly like the rock!!!


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-06 18:31:29
More like the other way around, since this came out first. And, also, you're wrong.


Zimson2014-05-06 22:06:39
Yay, finally someone who dares to critisize Hans' 90's scores.


Mike2014-05-06 22:41:41
How's that a criticism? Even if the two scores are very similar, they're both great. ;)

Mike reply Replies: 2 || 2013-06-08 03:06:01
Apparently this score is a favorite of Steven Spielberg.


MacArthur2013-08-31 22:45:07
Where'd you here that


Mike2014-01-10 19:03:55
I don't remember (I believe it was an interview with Zimmer). Apparently Spielberg called him on the phone after seeing the movie and said it was a great score. lol.

MacArthur reply Replies: 0 || 2013-08-31 22:48:38
I love this score. Roll tide. and the Hymn are very very powerful and moving

matthew reply Replies: 1 || 2012-08-27 18:37:15
Little Ducks sounds completely different in the movie.
It's a different choir...


why?



MacArthur2013-08-31 22:47:31
It's not a different choir it's just a different key

Sura-at reply Replies: 0 || 2013-02-02 08:12:15
I having an opinion that: Zimmer, Scott and Crimson Tide
should be a combo for an epic movie. Because an epic score,
dramatic song (Mutiny and Roll Tide (I add "Mutiny" because
there's a "Roll Tide" section on 5'24, i think. Without hit)). I like you very much. You're my inspiration. I'm from Thailand. I signed into the school's band. I played an
anthem every morning. I'm having fun with playing music very much! I'm sure you'll keep making an incredible music
like this.

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2013-01-14 04:26:34
Can someone help me out? I don't really like having 20-min tracks, so what would be good increments to splice them into? For example (this is random), 4:56-8:43. I'm looking for examples such as that.

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2012-11-10 08:41:14
I just saw this movie and man, the end of 1SQ was so powerful. Awesome stuff, awesome movie.

Alex reply Replies: 1 || 2011-08-28 10:38:18
Please help my find music that plays in this video:
www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/vietnam-war/a mazing-vietnam-war-slideshow/876532312001/



ColeZimmer2012-08-21 13:11:06
"The Shawshank Redemption" by Thomas Newman

Magnus Rex reply Replies: 3 || 2012-08-20 07:35:04
Just found out Tony Scott killed himself tonight. I am stunned. So sad...


Agent Smith2012-08-20 10:03:27
very very very sad news. can't believe it right now. my prayers goes up to you tony and to your family. rest in peace, and thank you for your joy you've given to us...


Aggelos2012-08-20 17:20:21
Ya dudes, he will be sorely missed.... RIP Tony.....
The Tony Scott + Hans Zimmer + Crimson Tide combo was simply epic!!


Hybrid Soldier2012-08-20 19:23:47
:(

Takehiro reply Replies: 4 || 2011-06-26 02:47:29
With regards to the "complete score" that is going round. I did a little write up on it:

This 2CD is a bit of a con. Yes it has clean, unreleased music, but it is not complete (some small cues missing). Furthermore, it has a lot of repeated music.

RUNNING TIME AS IS: 98 mins approx

1/1. RUSSIAN CIVIL WAR
Unreleased - the main titles

1/2. MUTINY
As per the OST; the last 1:47 should come later

1/3. ALABAMA (FILM VERSION)
Partially unreleased - sounds like the first 2:28 of Alabama on the OST but this does not cut-off and is mixed slightly differently.

1/4. LITTLE DUCKS
As per the OST

1/5. DEFCON
Unreleased - Hunter's war speech

1/6. THE ENEMY IS WAR
Unreleased - The fire

1/7. RANGE AND SPEED
Unreleased commercially but available on a rare Nick Glennie Smith promo

1/8. ZULU TIME
Unreleased - the second Akula attack

1/9. AUTHENTICATION
Unreleased - Hunter getting the phone call to go to work

1/10. ALABAMA
As per the OST, plus the first 2:28 is already heard on CD1/3 of the CD!

2/1. ZERO BUBBLE
The last 9:49 of Alabama from the OST - another repeat of music heard in CD1/10!!!

2/2. 1SQ
As per the OST

2/3. THE ARMORY
Unreleased commercially but available on a rare Nick Glennie Smith promo. The title here is incorrect.

2/4. TORPEDOS
Unreleased - the first Akula attack

2/5. PEARL HARBOR
Unreleased - this is an alternate cue and not the actual courtoom music

2/6. ROLL TIDE
From the OST.

The correct, approximate running order would be as follows:

RUNNING TIME WITHOUT REPEATED MUSIC: 86 mins approx

1/1
1/9
1/2 (minus the last 1:47 or so)
1/4
1/5
1/6
1/2 (the last 1:47 or so)
1/3
1/10 (8:22 to 14:03)
1/7
2/4
1/8
1/10 (2:28 to 8:22)
2/1 (or the last 9:49 of 1/10!)
2/2
2/3
2/6
2/5

In closing, there IS a complete score (with no repeated music and the missing small cues) that lasts around 89 mins.
You may be able to get it if you look around.

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Per2011-08-26 19:04:13
I doubt there is a real, full, complete score available. Outside Zimmer etc.'s "vault", that is.

If there is any it's probably still just a combination of the OST (perhaps with edited/splitted tracks) and these unreleased cues. And of course the cue 13M21 from the Dirty Pictures submission disc, which was, strangely enough, not on this "expanded" version.


Dawn2011-08-27 01:56:06
@Takehiro
You're wrong about 2/5 "Pearl Harbor", it is part of the Court of Inquiry sequence, but only used in the director's cut version of the film.
That cue is used during an extended part where Hunter is waiting and thinking in the corridor.

The right track order is :
2/5 (from 2011 expanded edition)
13M21 (from NGS's dirty pictures)
2/6 (from 2011 expanded edition)


Anonymous2011-08-27 03:52:12
@Per: with this expanded and NGS' cues, its pretty much complete


Per2011-08-27 15:40:24
Maybe the 'Pearl Harbor' cue were meant to fit the extended scene where Hunter sits in the corridor waiting originally. But it's not that music that's played during that scene. I don't know if it's a new/unreleased cue, but it could might as well be just something that's been reused from somewhere else. (It's very similar to for instance 11'27 - 11'50 on track 2, Alabama on the CD.)

If you combine the OST with all the available unreleased cues, it is indeed very close to being complete. It's mainly missing a short piece where Hunter is doing some boxing or whatever, and of course the full non-cutted/edited cues of some of the stuff on the OST. Not that important, since unlike other Zimmer CDs, it actually doesn't seem to have cutted pieces in the middle of cues. Maybe. It's mostly just the very end etc. of some cues that's been cutted, and faded into other cues.

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 0 || 2011-06-25 21:13:50
Let's all hope the complete film score is released this season!

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2011-06-25 09:44:26
On the 2CD, where is Authentication in the picture? The file names are misleading, and they are out of order


Anonymous2011-06-25 10:44:17
Furthermore, Court of Inquiry and Pearl Harbor dont seem to match the scene they are meant to be from...

Snake reply Replies: 0 || 2011-06-06 05:18:21
Damn it Zimmer!! Why aren't you a bad musician!?

We have Harry Gregson-Williams in the choir direction, Nick Glennie-Smith, Bruce Fowler as the orchestrator and Alan Meyerson in the mixes. This soundtrack has all!

We have great musician such as Harry Gregson-Williams, Klaus Badelt, John Powell and young talents such as Steve Jablonsky and Ramin Djawadi, thanks to Zimmer's teachings. He revolutioned and changed the film score genre and I think it was necessary. Who said John Williams is the best? No way!

Zimmer is the best!

Thank God fo him.

Takehiro reply Replies: 9 || 2011-04-11 00:00:00
2CD Expanded Score, no SFX

DISC ONE:
1. RUSSIAN CIVIL WAR
2. MUTINY
3. ALABAMA (Film Edit)
4. LITTLE DUCKS
5. DEFCON
6. THE ENEMY IS WAR
7. RANGE AND SPEED
8. ZULU TIME
9. AUTHENTICATION
10. ALABAMA

DISC TWO:
1. ZERO BUBBLE
2. 1SG
3. THE ARMORY
4. TORPEDOS
5. PEARL HARBOR
6. ROLL TIDE

It looks like a fake to me but you never know...


Bondo2011-05-08 09:10:34
It's not a fake :D
I can confirm it's expanded but without the DVD handy, I can't say if it's complete or not. It DOES however contain the much sought-after Torpedo Attack scene (08 - Zulu Time)


Anonymous2011-05-08 09:59:12
Its expanded. Even without the DVD I know from playing it.


Bondo2011-05-09 06:52:01
FYI I can confirm that "Range and Speed" and "The Armory" are from Nick Glennie-Smith's Dirty Pictures promo, possibly the other 2 tracks as well; I'll have to check. And I'm in no way 100% certain, but "Zulu Time" sounds remarkably like "Rocket Away" from THE ROCK. Any thoughts?


Gavin Salkeld - Composer2011-05-09 21:26:24
Its definitely not from The Rock lol. The Pearl Harbor cue is also from a NGS promo, I have so many I forget which one.


Bondo2011-05-09 22:45:36
I know it's not FROM The Rock, but the samples and style are. I never realized just how similar the two scores were until I heard these extra CT tracks


Anonymous2011-05-09 23:58:58
Zimmer used those same samples for years!


Bondo2011-05-10 00:04:10
Not the ones I'm talking about; remember this was 1995. We know which tracks Nick Glennie-Smith contributed to Zimmer scores prior (Point of No Return, Beyond Rangoon, Drop Zone), so you can hear which samples HE used for CT and The Rock.


HZLeaks2011-05-10 02:03:18
Everyone at MV shared samples, especially in the early days. Some of them even cropped up as late as 2003 in POTC lol

Anyway the 2CD here isnt complete, I have some extra clean cues Im going to put into it to make it more complete


Bondo2011-05-10 02:32:16
Thanks for sharing, that'd be awesome to hear! Perhaps I wasn't clear earlier... what I was trying to say is that since Hybrid was kind enough to break down THE ROCK several years back as to who-scored-which-cues (on the forum), several of the new Crimson Tide cues (Range and Speed, Zulu Time) sound more like NG-S and less like Zimmer. There were certain samples, especially in the 1990s, that NG-S used quite often. I may or may not be right about these 2 tracks, it's just an educated guess.

fabien reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-07 13:34:33
it's not. I could listen to some of these tracks on internet some time ago !

Gav reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-10 00:00:00
The complete score is out there and has been out there for a while. Just no one is sharing it :(

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2011-03-10 00:00:00
Whats the deal with the 2CD expanded version? Is it real?

Snake reply Replies: 0 || 2010-10-12 00:00:00
Damn it Zimmer!! Why aren't you a bad musician!?

We have Harry Gregson-Williamsin the choir direction, Nick Glennie-Smith, Bruce Fowler as the orchestrator and Alan Mayerson in the mixes. This soundtrack has all!

We have great musician such as Harry Gregson-Williams, Klaus Badelt, John Powell and others, thanks to Zimmer's teachings. He revolutioned and changed film scores and I think it was necessary. Who said John Williams is the best? No way!

Zimmer is the best!

Thank God fo him.

Hale reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-08 00:00:00
You can't find this music. It's unreleased. Some good parts of the score are still missing.
Like "Fire Incident"(beginning)- When Denzel Washington practices boxe after the "Fire Incident", some choral parts which ponctue the submarine scenes, "The First Torpedo Attack" and some action/thriller cues composed by Nick- Glennie Smith (on his promo "Showreel).

matthew reply Replies: 0 || 2010-07-07 00:00:00
I'm looking for the music during The FIRST torpedo attack. Where can I find it?

Jokeysmurf reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-29 00:00:00
Sorry i vorgot to say, i here the music vie "Auadials-Radiotracker" (Internet-radio-player) from CINEMIX-Channel etc., this sends ever so often wrong title information !

Jokeysmurf reply Replies: 0 || 2010-06-29 00:00:00
Please Help me !

Any "Crimson Tide" music titles remember me on "The Rock" movie, other web portals tell me too, this music comes from the "Rock" Movie. What's correct ??? I'am very confused (irritatet) !

Sorry me english is not the best, i'am german !

I love Hans music !!! I'am dreaming....

Sabrina reply Replies: 0 || 2010-04-14 00:00:00
This score made me a Hans Zimmer fan. I still get chills whenever I listen to it. It's pure magic. Thank you so much! The rhythm of the strings, the whole arrangement, it's simply perfect. :)

Brandy reply Replies: 0 || 2010-02-24 00:00:00
The music is amazing, crimson tide is one of my favorite movies, because of the music. I am drawn to it. Hans, your music satisfy's my soul

Ami, Finland reply Replies: 0 || 2009-01-13 00:00:00
Crimson Tide is the most ultimate track ever, it sounds so powerful and it penetrates to your brains! Excellent work of art. Hans, you must be a god=)

From North Africa reply Replies: 0 || 2008-10-19 00:00:00
I really can't stop hearing this beautiful score beautiful and incredible thank you Mr.Zimmer you are the king of kings you should know that

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