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I having an opinion that: Zimmer, Scott and Crimson Tide should be a combo for an epic movie. Because an epic score, dramatic song (Mutiny and Roll Tide (I add "Mutiny" because there's a "Roll Tide" section on 5'24, i think. Without hit)). I like you very much. You're my inspiration. I'm from Thailand. I signed into the school's band. I played an anthem every morning. I'm having fun with playing music very much! I'm sure you'll keep making an incredible music like this.
With regards to the "complete score" that is going round. I did a little write up on it:
This 2CD is a bit of a con. Yes it has clean, unreleased music, but it is not complete (some small cues missing). Furthermore, it has a lot of repeated music.
RUNNING TIME AS IS: 98 mins approx
1/1. RUSSIAN CIVIL WAR Unreleased - the main titles
1/2. MUTINY As per the OST; the last 1:47 should come later
1/3. ALABAMA (FILM VERSION) Partially unreleased - sounds like the first 2:28 of Alabama on the OST but this does not cut-off and is mixed slightly differently.
1/4. LITTLE DUCKS As per the OST
1/5. DEFCON Unreleased - Hunter's war speech
1/6. THE ENEMY IS WAR Unreleased - The fire
1/7. RANGE AND SPEED Unreleased commercially but available on a rare Nick Glennie Smith promo
1/8. ZULU TIME Unreleased - the second Akula attack
1/9. AUTHENTICATION Unreleased - Hunter getting the phone call to go to work
1/10. ALABAMA As per the OST, plus the first 2:28 is already heard on CD1/3 of the CD!
2/1. ZERO BUBBLE The last 9:49 of Alabama from the OST - another repeat of music heard in CD1/10!!!
2/2. 1SQ As per the OST
2/3. THE ARMORY Unreleased commercially but available on a rare Nick Glennie Smith promo. The title here is incorrect.
2/4. TORPEDOS Unreleased - the first Akula attack
2/5. PEARL HARBOR Unreleased - this is an alternate cue and not the actual courtoom music
2/6. ROLL TIDE From the OST.
The correct, approximate running order would be as follows:
RUNNING TIME WITHOUT REPEATED MUSIC: 86 mins approx
1/1 1/9 1/2 (minus the last 1:47 or so) 1/4 1/5 1/6 1/2 (the last 1:47 or so) 1/3 1/10 (8:22 to 14:03) 1/7 2/4 1/8 1/10 (2:28 to 8:22) 2/1 (or the last 9:49 of 1/10!) 2/2 2/3 2/6 2/5
In closing, there IS a complete score (with no repeated music and the missing small cues) that lasts around 89 mins. You may be able to get it if you look around.
I doubt there is a real, full, complete score available. Outside Zimmer etc.'s "vault", that is.
If there is any it's probably still just a combination of the OST (perhaps with edited/splitted tracks) and these unreleased cues. And of course the cue 13M21 from the Dirty Pictures submission disc, which was, strangely enough, not on this "expanded" version.
@Takehiro You're wrong about 2/5 "Pearl Harbor", it is part of the Court of Inquiry sequence, but only used in the director's cut version of the film. That cue is used during an extended part where Hunter is waiting and thinking in the corridor.
The right track order is : 2/5 (from 2011 expanded edition) 13M21 (from NGS's dirty pictures) 2/6 (from 2011 expanded edition)
@Per: with this expanded and NGS' cues, its pretty much complete
Maybe the 'Pearl Harbor' cue were meant to fit the extended scene where Hunter sits in the corridor waiting originally. But it's not that music that's played during that scene. I don't know if it's a new/unreleased cue, but it could might as well be just something that's been reused from somewhere else. (It's very similar to for instance 11'27 - 11'50 on track 2, Alabama on the CD.)
If you combine the OST with all the available unreleased cues, it is indeed very close to being complete. It's mainly missing a short piece where Hunter is doing some boxing or whatever, and of course the full non-cutted/edited cues of some of the stuff on the OST. Not that important, since unlike other Zimmer CDs, it actually doesn't seem to have cutted pieces in the middle of cues. Maybe. It's mostly just the very end etc. of some cues that's been cutted, and faded into other cues.
We have Harry Gregson-Williams in the choir direction, Nick Glennie-Smith, Bruce Fowler as the orchestrator and Alan Meyerson in the mixes. This soundtrack has all!
We have great musician such as Harry Gregson-Williams, Klaus Badelt, John Powell and young talents such as Steve Jablonsky and Ramin Djawadi, thanks to Zimmer's teachings. He revolutioned and changed the film score genre and I think it was necessary. Who said John Williams is the best? No way!
DISC ONE: 1. RUSSIAN CIVIL WAR 2. MUTINY 3. ALABAMA (Film Edit) 4. LITTLE DUCKS 5. DEFCON 6. THE ENEMY IS WAR 7. RANGE AND SPEED 8. ZULU TIME 9. AUTHENTICATION 10. ALABAMA
DISC TWO: 1. ZERO BUBBLE 2. 1SG 3. THE ARMORY 4. TORPEDOS 5. PEARL HARBOR 6. ROLL TIDE
It looks like a fake to me but you never know...
It's not a fake :D I can confirm it's expanded but without the DVD handy, I can't say if it's complete or not. It DOES however contain the much sought-after Torpedo Attack scene (08 - Zulu Time)
Its expanded. Even without the DVD I know from playing it.
FYI I can confirm that "Range and Speed" and "The Armory" are from Nick Glennie-Smith's Dirty Pictures promo, possibly the other 2 tracks as well; I'll have to check. And I'm in no way 100% certain, but "Zulu Time" sounds remarkably like "Rocket Away" from THE ROCK. Any thoughts?
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Its definitely not from The Rock lol. The Pearl Harbor cue is also from a NGS promo, I have so many I forget which one.
I know it's not FROM The Rock, but the samples and style are. I never realized just how similar the two scores were until I heard these extra CT tracks
Zimmer used those same samples for years!
Not the ones I'm talking about; remember this was 1995. We know which tracks Nick Glennie-Smith contributed to Zimmer scores prior (Point of No Return, Beyond Rangoon, Drop Zone), so you can hear which samples HE used for CT and The Rock.
Everyone at MV shared samples, especially in the early days. Some of them even cropped up as late as 2003 in POTC lol
Anyway the 2CD here isnt complete, I have some extra clean cues Im going to put into it to make it more complete
Thanks for sharing, that'd be awesome to hear! Perhaps I wasn't clear earlier... what I was trying to say is that since Hybrid was kind enough to break down THE ROCK several years back as to who-scored-which-cues (on the forum), several of the new Crimson Tide cues (Range and Speed, Zulu Time) sound more like NG-S and less like Zimmer. There were certain samples, especially in the 1990s, that NG-S used quite often. I may or may not be right about these 2 tracks, it's just an educated guess.
We have Harry Gregson-Williamsin the choir direction, Nick Glennie-Smith, Bruce Fowler as the orchestrator and Alan Mayerson in the mixes. This soundtrack has all!
We have great musician such as Harry Gregson-Williams, Klaus Badelt, John Powell and others, thanks to Zimmer's teachings. He revolutioned and changed film scores and I think it was necessary. Who said John Williams is the best? No way!
You can't find this music. It's unreleased. Some good parts of the score are still missing. Like "Fire Incident"(beginning)- When Denzel Washington practices boxe after the "Fire Incident", some choral parts which ponctue the submarine scenes, "The First Torpedo Attack" and some action/thriller cues composed by Nick- Glennie Smith (on his promo "Showreel).
In response to Will Scott, dated 2007/11/02--here is the first verse to Little Ducks from the soundtrack of Crimson Tide:
Eternal Father! strong to save, Whose arm doth bind the restless wave, Who bid’st the mighty ocean deep Its own appointed limits keep;
O Saviour, whose almighty word, The winds and waves submissive heard, Who walkedst on the foaming deep, And calm amid its rage didst sleep; Oh, hear us when we cry to Thee, For those in peril on the sea! Amen.
for me hans zimmer is the number one, i like very much crimson tide but the other soundtracks like the rock, driving miss daisy, brocken arrow o gladiator are also fabulous. mr zimmer please continued well.
This soundtrack is truly amazing. I heard "Roll Tide" on a YouTube video and loved it so much, I had to find where it came from. Now I have the album, and what can I say? It is perfect. Thank you Mr. Zimmer!