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Budapest, please :(Same question here, is concert in Poland even concidered to occur?if the link doesn't work for some reason, the song is called Cliffhanger Sky High on youtubeHi All, sorry it took so long to upload, My friend helped me set up a youtube channel to upload tracks to. I am very inspired by the classic Zimmer Scores of the 90's. I envisioned A climactic rescue aboard A speeding train for this particular cue.<br>https://youtu.be/4WyMIcpqMRk <br>I avoided bringing up the TF films in this thread until AFTER you dragged them into it.<br>===============<br><br>No one dragged anything. <br><br>I briefly mentioned that franchise, among many other things you conveniently ignored (you do that a lot), to prove a simple point: that a director doesn't get to make 5 movies from the same franchise if people aren't enjoying his work. Simple as that. I never talked about the "quality" of each of those movies. Go see the comment again.<br><br>YOU picked up on this and started talking obsessively about the TF. <br><br><br>==============<br>Going after every person that doesn't like Bay and trying to obsessively "debunk" them is psychotic, yes. <br>==============<br><br>Look at your first comment here, pal. Look at it good! Snarky, dismissive, almost trollish, and with a clear intention to provoke people. Let me quote it: "Another day, another Bay film that doesn't know what fun is." <br><br>I only "go after" people who can't share their opinions in a respectful, mature way. There are a lot of comments here I disagreed with. But I never confronted those people. Why? Because they know how to properly share an opinion. <br><br>I only go after people who provoke, make fun of someone/something and troll. I've never "attacked" a person who didn't deserve that kind of response. My post history here speaks for itself. <br><br><br>===================<br>And constantly referring to other people's opinions and whinging about the box office doesn't make you objective, especially with how self-contradictory the latter has been.<br>===================<br><br>Nope. Not even close. <br><br>You're just bitter that I'm using quotes from proven, talented people like Spielberg who support Bay. What quotes can your side use? Just quotes from knucklehead film bloggers and critics who hate half of what Hollywood makes. <br><br>No one with an actual integrity and knowledge of the film business can dismiss what Bay has accomplished. You may not like his stuff, but to completely dismiss him as a filmmaker is.......moronic. Truth is, it's only small fries on the internet who are angry that their favorite mid-level directors aren't as big and successful as Bay.<br><br>That's really the bottom line. <br><br>Speaking of that, who is YOUR favorite filmmaker? Go ahead, share it with us. Let's see who is that PERFECT filmmaker you drool over.<br><br>I'm really curious.<br><br>==============<br>By your own "objective" reasoning, this would make them his worst films. But you don't acknowledge that, because you don't actually care about objectivity.<br>==============<br><br>Huh??<br><br>When did I said that box office success or box office failure means that a movie is good or bad?? I never that. So if you don't mind, stop putting words in my mouth.<br><br>Thank you. <br><br><br>==================<br>You care about faking it when it suits you, and chucking it when it doesn't<br>==================<br><br><br>Kinda ironic coming from the person who ignored the majority of the stuff I said here. Careful cherry-picking, convenient ignoring of stuff, and putting words in my mouth is apparently what you like to do. <br><br><br>================<br>What do you mean "next time?" Your first reply here was calling my opinion a joke.<br>================<br><br>Uhhhh, that's because it IS a joke. Because it is not true and because it was posted with the clear intention to provoke. You are the Negative Nancy here, my friend. Not me. Jesus Christ, even your nickname tells people exactly what they can expect from you......"Cynical Makooti". <br><br><br>====================<br>I didn't insult you for anything other than lying to win an argument<br>====================<br><br>Oh, that's true....................you're certainly not winning this argument. I mean, that's obvious. <br><br>And..... I never posted a lie. Just because "your sources" claim something different doesn't mean it's the truth. Pacific Rim wasn't a success - considering the huge expactations and the fact that the movie's budget is $200 freakin' million - and they DID try to start a franchise with 300. They failed. <br><br><br>================<br>Your lack of self-awareness is astounding.<br>================<br><br>That's rich. Coming from the guy who calls himself "Cynical Makooti". The guy who now plays the victim, even though he was the one who started this with a childish, trollish comment. <br><br>Look at my first reply to you. I was jokingly mimicking your style. Intentionally. Then you tried to be a smartass with your next reply. But EVEN THEN, I responded in a normal way with my second post. After that........you unleashed your true self. <br><br>And now, you're acting like the victim: "Poor me, being attacked by a crazy Bay fan!" <br><br>So please, don't talk about self-awareness. It ain't working.<br><br><br><br>================<br>Pacific Rim was a domestic bomb that turned things around with its international box office.<br>================<br><br>Haha, maybe you should read more Forbes. Take a look at what they said about the entire (already failed) Pac Rim universe. Read a bit more on how much money the studio lost from the first flick and why they actually went with a sequel. It ain't because the first one was a beloved hit. <br><br><br>=======<br>The Last Knight lost about $100M according to Paramount themselves. That doesn't sound like an international success to me.<br>=======<br><br>Okay, I believe you. Now, would you please share the link to that statement from Paramount. <br><br>Thank you. <br><br><br>=============<br>Maybe it does to you, but I can't speak for that little fantasy world you seem to be living in right now.<br>=============<br><br>Hey, it's certainly a better and more reasonable place than your world. A world where you completely dismiss and ignore the accomplishments of one of the biggest filmmakers out there.<br><br>What's your next claim? <br><br>That Donnie Trump is the best President in history?<br><br><br>Have a nice day!
Do any of you think that Junkie's Justice League score will ever get released or leaked? I was really excited to hear how Junkie planned on developing the themes used in the prior DCEU movies. Especially the Batman themes from BVS. It's a damn shame how WB handled that film."Why do Bay naysayers pretend that Bay only directs TF movies? It's very interesting...... Pretty much all complaints against Bay are connected to the TF movies.<br><br>Newsflash: Bay was a proven and very successful action filmmaker wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before TF1."<br><br>Newsflash: I avoided bringing up the TF films in this thread until AFTER you dragged them into it.  Only then did I treat them as fair game.  Considering they make up a third of his filmography, I don't see why I SHOULDN'T address them.  How convenient is it that bringing them up is only ever valid when YOU do it?<br><br>More to the point, I already said I thought his decline kicked in from Pearl Harbor onwards.  The TF films are just his rock bottom.<br><br>"So let me get this straight: trying to be as objective as possible, in a non-threating way, quoting people who actually know what they're talking about and certainly not treating my opinion as fact, makes me......psychotic."<br><br>Going after every person that doesn't like Bay and trying to obsessively "debunk" them is psychotic, yes.  And constantly referring to other people's opinions and whinging about the box office doesn't make you objective, especially with how self-contradictory the latter has been.<br><br>Pain & Gain and 13 Hours, his supposedly best films, also have his lowest box office turnouts.  13 Hours was a flat-out bomb.  By your own "objective" reasoning, this would make them his worst films.  But you don't acknowledge that, because you don't actually care about objectivity.<br><br>You care about faking it when it suits you, and chucking it when it doesn't.<br><br>"Next time, I'll just act like a complete jerk, insulting everyone and everything."<br><br>What do you mean "next time?"  Your first reply here was calling my opinion a joke.  You already have this method down.  You're just too dishonest to admit it.<br><br>Notice how I avoided accusing you of anything until AFTER you started outright lying about movies and flaunting it as objective fact.<br><br>You insulted ME first, pal.  I didn't insult you for anything other than lying to win an argument.  Not for your opinions, not for your celebrity crush, for being a disingenuous twat. <br><br>Your lack of self-awareness is astounding.<br><br>"Reviews, RT scores, and crappy film blog "think pieces" are also not proof of quality."<br><br>Then it's a good thing I never quoted a single one of those, let alone as objective proof, isn't it?<br><br>Man, appeal to authority, appeal to popularity, mistaking correlation for causation, slothful induction, strawmanning, I could make a bingo game outta this.<br><br>"So that flick, according to you, turned a profit.......but TLK - budget of also $200 million and with a worldwide gross of $605 million..........is a bomb?"<br><br>Not "according to me."  According to the studios that make the actual films.  And Forbes.  Remember Forbes?  You considered their word inarguable fact a couple posts ago.<br><br>https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2013/09/02/pacif ic-rim-and-more-domestic-flops-that-became-global-hits/#3f3e 914d7c18<br><br>Well whaddaya know?<br><br>Pacific Rim was a domestic bomb that turned things around with its international box office.<br><br>That thing you said TF5 was but actually wasn't.<br><br>The Last Knight lost about $100M according to Paramount themselves.  That doesn't sound like an international success to me.<br><br>Maybe it does to you, but I can't speak for that little fantasy world you seem to be living in right now.<br><br>Wow!  Just wow!ThxSeville, The Bait, Ambrose Welcomes Nyah, Chimera Myth, Beach Fight, Ambrose Dies.Can we stop? I agree with the other guy more in his points, but it's clear that this is gonna keep going nowhere if you're gonna be so overly defensive about something that you claim is merely subjective.
But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br>======================<br><br><br>Why do Bay naysayers pretend that Bay only directs TF movies? It's very interesting...... Pretty much all complaints against Bay are connected to the TF movies.<br><br>Newsflash: Bay was a proven and very successful action filmmaker wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before TF1. <br><br>So no, "challenging the viewer" is not about Transformers. You chose to focus on these movies. Not me. I was actually reffering to Bay movies like The Island and especially Pain and Gain. <br><br>But I guess you like to talk only about Transformers.....Good for you. But that's not how a discussion works. <br><br><br>===================<br>Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact. I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here. It's psychotic.<br>===================<br><br><br>So let me get this straight: trying to be as objective as possible, in a non-threating way, quoting people who actually know what they're talking about and certainly not treating my opinion as fact, makes me......psychotic? <br><br>Wow! Just wow!<br><br>Next time, I'll just act like a complete jerk, insulting everyone and everything. For you, that is apparently the normal behavior.<br><br><br>======<br>Bad movies make money. Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.<br>=======<br><br>Reviews, RT scores, and crappy film blog "think pieces" are also not proof of quality. Also, a "bad" movie to you is the greatest movie for the guy walking next to you on the street. As Kevin Smith said: "Every movie is someone's favorite movie". <br><br>Let's try to keep that in mind.<br><br><br>============<br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br>============<br><br>Really?<br><br>Then what do you have to say about Pacific Rim 1. I present to you.......the pure numbers:<br><br>Budget: $200 million. And that doesn't include the marketing cost.<br>Worldwide gross: $411,002,906<br><br>So that flick, according to you, turned a profit.......but TLK - budget of also $200 million and with a worldwide gross of $605 million..........is a bomb?<br><br>Wow! Just.....wow!Yeah lol back then only Harold was confirmed.Can you tell me a names of cues, that was been on Klaus website?Formality indeed. Complicated ! lol<br><br>You can bet Blake Neely didn't need anyone to "write" those 10 seconds !! lolI always found these credits to be a bit confusing. Klaus Badelt is credited on almost every cue, even when his themes don't appear and another additional composer is credited as well. I thought maybe it was just a formality that Zimmer and Badelt were credited everywhere (I mean, how much could they be involved on a cue like "Welcome to the Caribbean"?), but then "No real ship" and "Sword Fight Pt. 2" have no Badelt for some reason. Does someone know a bit more about this?
well the composer confirmed he is working on it to be released very soon<br>"It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain."<br><br>I didn't think it was possible for a Bay fan of all people to be this insufferably pretentious.<br><br>I thought that was more Snyder fanboy territory.<br><br>But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br><br>Kudos, man.  Kudos.<br><br>You can hide behind however many fallacies you want.  If "Not to me" and "You do you" didn't give it away early on in this thread, I DIDN'T try to treat my opinions as fact.<br><br>But that doesn't mean I'm going to add a little "IMO" at the end of every goddamn sentence just to coddle you. <br><br>On the flip-side, consistently making appeals to authority and popularity, "B-b-but Spielberg said!", "B-b-but the Forbes poll said!" don't make you objective.<br><br>Y'know, it's funny.  When I listed off better blockbuster examples, you could've very easily just argued against them on the level of the films themselves, and everything would've been fine.<br><br>Sure, you would've just claimed you can't see the action at night sooner, which is rich when you praise the film series that puts the subjects of its action scenes OUT OF FOCUS every other shot, but hey, that's just honest opinions versus honest opinions.<br><br>But using two belated half-assed sequels from different, less talented directors that lost most of the appeal of the first movies, as some sorta litmus test for how well-liked the first movies were, is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard.  That's not objectivity, that's not even confusing correlation with causation, that's saying 1+2=4.<br><br>That's the real joke here.  Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact.  I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here.  It's psychotic.<br><br>Bad movies make money.  Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.  But if that's the kinda road you wanna go down, I guess movies like Avatar, The Force Awakens, or all the Avengers movies, are "objectively" better movies in every conceivable way than anything Bay has made in his entire career.  I mean, CLEARLY those films must have a bolder style and push more boundaries.<br><br>Why else would more people watch and rewatch them, right?<br><br>Reasonable causation is for those goshdarn geek journos.<br><br>And by the way, The Last Knight lost money.  Period.  Almost 100M according to Paramount themselves.<br><br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br><br>Have a nice day.Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br>==================<br><br>Kinda ironic, coming from you....but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you! <br><br>And yes, he sides with me because what I say is common sense. For whatever reason, you have these strong negative feelings toward Bay films and those feelings blind you to some pretty obvious truths. <br><br>Have to say tho - for a 'hater' you sure know A LOT about him, his style and his movies. <br><br>Just admit it - you are a huge Bay fan but you just want to score some points with the snobbish internet crowd. <br><br><br><br>============<br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br>============<br><br>Oh, you're one of THOSE people......"Fury Roaaaaaaaaad is DA BEST FILM EVAAAAAAAA".<br><br>Let me guess: you also think that Nolan is the greatest director/person of all time. On par with Jesus himself. <br><br><br><br>==========<br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br>==========<br><br>Which is what Transformers 1 is. <br><br>Which is why the movie connected with audiences. It was - at its heart - a story about a boy and his car. Even the most jaded critics enjoyed that aspect.<br><br><br>=============<br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br>=============<br><br>Excuse? For what?<br><br>My friend, you do realize that Bay in particular is one of the most powerful and successful filmmakers of all time, right? He is the second highest-grossing director of all time (domestically), only behind Spielberg. You can dismiss box office success all you want but you don't get to where Bay is if you're not good at your job. <br><br>Snyder is nowhere near Bay, in terms of success and influence. Personally, I don't care much about him. <br><br><br>P.S. Guy Ritchie (and Edgar Wright) are huge Bay fans. Ask yourself why. <br><br><br>===============<br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole<br>===============<br><br>Your opinion.<br><br>I disagree.Bay walks the lines between being self-serious and comical, but his films aren't well=written enough to serve the former, or witty enough to serve the latter, and the end-result is droll and annoying.<br>====================<br><br>You sure you're not a "writer" for one of those ridiculous geek sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Slash Film? Because you sound a lot like one of those "beloved" writers. <br><br>Anyway......Yes, Bay's movies always walk that line but whether that works or not is........Yes! a matter of opinion. For me, Pain and Gain is one of the best modern satires while for you it is - I'm guessing - "droll and annoying".<br><br>It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain. <br><br>Some of you folks are indeed very hard to please. <br><br><br>===============<br>The first POTC earns it. The Bad Boys 2 doesn't. Infinity War earns it. TF 1/2/3/4/5 doesn't.<br>==============<br><br>Okay, now that statement is the best joke of the year! Thank you for the good laugh! Really! Oh, and I've definitely argued with you before, my friend. You are clearly one of those ten Bay haters from the IMDb forums who claim to hate everything the man does, yet they have seen EVERYTHING he had done. Why is that, I wonder?<br><br><br>===========<br>Fitting, as Synder and Bay are cut from a very similar cloth. Difference is, unless we're talking Man of Steel, I'd sooner rely on Snyder for consistently good action sequences<br>===========<br><br>Well, I would trust Spielberg on this. Because it was Spielberg who said, and I quote: "Michael (Bay) is one of the greatest action directors. He has the best eye in Hollywood." Spielberg works with a lot of directors. But he never said anything like that about any other director. So clearly he means what he says about Bay. And....you know......unlike most people, Speilberg actually knows a thing or two about filmmaking. <br><br><br>================<br>300 didn't try to start a franchise. It was a one-off adaptation of a graphic novel in the same vein as Sin City, and was successful. They tried to make a cash-grab sequel almost a decade later, without Snyder, and it failed. That's hardly the first film's fault.<br>================<br><br>It is a clear proof that people weren't that excited to visit this world again. And mind you, that happened with the first sequel! Talk about a one-time thing, huh?<br><br>At the same time, Bay made FOUR Transformers movies - with different casts - before there were any signs of audience fatigue. <br><br>That speaks for itself.<br><br>===========<br>Pacific Rim suffered from lackluster marketing, and yet still managed to turn a profit and attract a strong following.<br>==========<br><br>Excuses, excuses, excuses.....So you can display all the excuses in the world for Pac Rim but when it comes to Transformers, you don't accept anything. <br><br>Double standard much?<br><br>P.S. That "strong following" is on the internet. The same following that was supposed to make Scott Pillgrim a huge hit. Everyone knows that internet hype is not real-world hype. I know very well the type of people who act as if Pac Rim is the best thing since sliced bread. Total geeks who are angry that Transformers is much more popular and much more successful than Del Toro's "let's shoot all the robot fights in pitch black so audiences can't see shit" movie.  <br><br>Also, let's not pretend that Pac Rim is a universally beloved film. You know very well that there are A LOT of detractors as well. That's what you get when people can't tell what's going on during the movie because you shot it all at night. Just like that Godzilla movie. <br><br><br>============<br>Versus something like Transformers, which has piggybacked on an established IP, relentless marketing campaigns and tie-ins, and a fairly consistent release schedule. And even then, recycling the same bullshit eventually took its toll.<br>============<br><br><br>Wrong.<br><br>Do you read Forbes? You should. Because it's a place where objective people write. It ain't a stupid militant film geek site like Ain't it Cool News or Screen Rant.<br><br>Forbes published multiple articles explaining in great detail why the Transformers movies were successful EXACTLY because they were directed by Bay. Whether you like it or not, my friend, Bay is a brand. He is an auteur. There were multiple polls before the first two Transformers movies and Bay being the director was one of the main reasons for people to watch the movies. <br><br>But I guess you missed all of that, huh?<br><br>How convenient.<br><br><br>==============<br>Friendly reminder that AoE also relied on China (more pathetically then even Pacific Rim did) to compensate for diminishing domestic returns. To say nothing of TLK outright bombing.<br>==============<br><br>First: according to ACTUAL real data, the only TF movie that was saved by China is.......Bumblebee! Yeah, you better believe it. Go to Deadline and Forbes and read it for yourself.<br><br>Second: TLK bombed domestically, yes. <br>But not internationally. No one with actual knowledge of the situation refers to that movie as an international "bomb". Besides, there were 4 super successful TF movies before TLK. So Bay got nothing to prove. He already created one of the biggfest film franchises in history. <br><br>How many directors can say that?<br><br><br><br>==================<br>I know you like debunking Bay naysayers with "facts and logic," but it helps to not be grossly disingenuous while doing it<br>==================<br><br><br>Goes both ways, my friend. But unlike most naysayers, I don't treat my own personal opinions as facts. And if I'm being "disingenuous" then I don't even know what to say about some Bay haters who refuse to accept even the most obvious facts and truths.nope
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    Hans Zimmer
  2. The Kraken (6:55)
    Hans Zimmer
  3. Davy Jones (3:15)
    Hans Zimmer
  4. I've Got My Eye On You (2:25) *
    Hans Zimmer, Trevor Morris
  5. Dinner Is Served (1:30)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Mel Wesson, Nick Glennie-Smith, Bruce Fowler
  6. Tia Dalma (3:57) * +
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Lorne Balfe
  7. Two Hornpipes (Tortuga) (1:14)
    Skip Henderson, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  8. A Family Affair (3:34) *
    Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
  9. Wheel Of Fortune (6:45) *
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  10. You Look Good Jack (5:34) +
    Hans Zimmer
  11. Hello Beastie (10:15) +
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
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Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2018-06-26 19:58:28
Davy jones track is awsome !

Agent reply Replies: 0 || 2017-08-01 04:35:24
So Hybrid, did Zimmer first used the church organ here? Or it was the organ from the film? The same goes for the 3rd film.

thejok3rrules reply Replies: 27 || 2014-09-11 04:31:17
Today, I was listening to my music on my phone. As I had put it on shuffle, I heard the track ''Do you think I'm a saxon'' from The King Arthur. The track lasts 8:44 minutes. After that, I heard ''Hello Beastie'', my favorite track from POTC Dead Man's Chest. How can I say?... Zimmer has never been that lazy. I believe "Hello Beastie'' is the worst ripoff track ever. Damn it.


Hybrid Soldier2014-09-11 08:45:22
You realized just now ??


Actually it's a brilliant piece. It was either temptracked (like many KA cues in POTC 2 & 3) or Hans just wanted to achieve his idea started in KA... :)

Love both versions...

If reused material is a problem, dude, do never ever listen a POTC score again... The genesis of this saga's music is based on that fact !! xD


bro2014-09-11 09:42:43
I find it more interesting when things are "reused".

It often offers insight on the evolution of the cue, the creative process, and sometimes a clearer listen at the stems. It's a new perspective, and to an aspiring composer and fan, I really appreciate both of those versions.

If you had a musical ear you could tell that many things changed between the two recordings but whatever


Edmund Meinerts2014-09-11 11:21:28
Reused material is generally not a big problem for me, but I have to admit that this case (over 3 minutes copied and pasted practically verbatim) strikes me as particularly egregious. Yeah, a few things are changed in the orchestration, but still - the architecture of the cue is practically identical. Not one of Zimmer's better moments.


Ds2014-09-11 11:56:53
Or maybe they first used it as temptrack, and then the team (HZ, Verbinski...) thought it fitted the scene so perfectly, and that it would be pointless to try and do something different just for the sake of it. Maybe they tried, and couldn't come up with a cue fitting the scene so well. Don't forget the primary goal of film scoring is to create music to accompany the movie as well as possible.


Cap'n Jack Sparrow2014-09-11 14:53:38
Or, if I may be so bold here to interject my personal wisdom acquired from 21+ years of piracy, Mr Zimmer may have created a piece to overwrite this one we're writing about, and the afforementioned Mr Verbinski got too attached to the afforementiond temptrack, which many believe to be a King Arthur temptrack, and refused the proper use of the designated music created specially for this purpose.

Savvy?


thejok3rrules2014-09-11 17:06:19
I usually don't mind about this kind of thing. Everyone went crazy about ''Safe Now'' from Captain Phillips and ''Hope'' from X-Men DOFP being ripoffs of ''Time'', while I didn't give a damn. It's alright to write something while being inspired by something else. However, copy-paste sucks.


Mike2014-09-11 17:07:48
LOL to the Captain. That was (actually) quite funny.


Zimson2014-09-11 17:18:36
Every composer does that from time to time. Howard Shore for example recycled some cues from Hugo for the hobbit.


thejok3rrules2014-09-11 18:19:30
@thejoke3rrules This might be because I listen to a lot of film music, but 'Safe Now' completely took me out of the film when I was watching it in the theatre. In fact my overwhelming feeling when I walked out was that it was good film with a very tired-sounding Zimmer-rip off action score. This was without knowing anything about the film or who scored it (I like seeing films blind these days - nice to be surprised!).

The evolution thing I can get, but I think it's legitimate to be distracted if what you hear is clearly just a copy of something else, especially if it's recent. 'Time' to me really sums up Inception, whereas 'Safe Now' just... there's no allusion to that theme beforehand. Henry Jackman is a talented fella. Imagine what he could've done with some more creative freedom.

"Mr Verbinski got too attached to the afforementiond temptrack, which many believe to be a King Arthur temptrack, and refused the proper use of the designated music created specially for this purpose."

I've written music for some (very!) small scale things, and I can tell you from experience it seems that directors, big and small have this problem in spades. There is often nothing worse than being handed a scene with music already applied to it, because immediately your creativity suffers, immediately now you're always subconsciously comparing what you write to the temp, immediately in a way you've been cut out from the discussion.


NM2014-09-11 18:20:44
Oh shit haha, I meant to mark my name as 'NM' in the post, I have no idea how I did that! I'll repost my post and someone can delete that hopefully! Sorry, the joke3.

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@thejoke3rrules This might be because I listen to a lot of film music, but 'Safe Now' completely took me out of the film when I was watching it in the theatre. In fact my overwhelming feeling when I walked out was that it was good film with a very tired-sounding Zimmer-rip off action score. This was without knowing anything about the film or who scored it (I like seeing films blind these days - nice to be surprised!).

The evolution thing I can get, but I think it's legitimate to be distracted if what you hear is clearly just a copy of something else, especially if it's recent. 'Time' to me really sums up Inception, whereas 'Safe Now' just... there's no allusion to that theme beforehand. Henry Jackman is a talented fella. Imagine what he could've done with some more creative freedom.

"Mr Verbinski got too attached to the afforementiond temptrack, which many believe to be a King Arthur temptrack, and refused the proper use of the designated music created specially for this purpose."

I've written music for some (very!) small scale things, and I can tell you from experience it seems that directors, big and small have this problem in spades. There is often nothing worse than being handed a scene with music already applied to it, because immediately your creativity suffers, immediately now you're always subconsciously comparing what you write to the temp, immediately in a way you've been cut out from the discussion


Hybrid Soldier2014-09-11 19:14:57
Well Safe Now is not really by Jackman... lol


Mike2014-09-12 00:29:17
Yeah, it's by....everyone who contributed to that score, right? :P


Hybrid Soldier2014-09-12 08:33:05
It was rewritten 30 times by everyone... The final one is HZ.


thejok3rrules2014-09-12 22:07:07
Hybrid, maybe you shouldn't have said that... Zimmer cannot be proud of that one.


Mike2014-09-12 22:08:30
lol, Joker, I agree...


Hybrid Soldier2014-09-12 22:28:38
You think he is proud ??? LOL


He doesn't want to hear about Cap Phillips ever again... :D


thejok3rrules2014-09-12 23:58:20
I'll give him a chance this time and pretend he did it for the sake of RCP ;)


bro2014-09-13 09:49:36
The only time i have ever actually felt like a theme was recycled and took me out of the movie was 12 years a slave. I was actually very disappointed with the main title theme.


NM2014-09-13 18:16:43
Yeah I was really disappointed with the score. Given how rich, layered and powerful the film itself is, hearing another version of 'Time' just didn't emotionally connect with me (and was distracting). The best music is the bit where they're on the ship, that was inventive and frightening.


Adam2014-09-13 21:58:43
@NM,

"Boat Trip to New Orleans". A lot of people said that one was the worst cue, but I loved it as well. It gives you a sense of dread - and therefore does it's job.


Hybrid Soldier2014-09-13 22:55:40
Yeah, it was written by Benjamin Wallfsich actually ! ;)


Adam2014-09-13 23:34:49
Cool, thanks Hybrid! Any other known credits?


Hybrid Soldier2014-09-14 00:00:18
Nope... :/


Edmund Meinerts2014-09-14 02:07:17
The only even halfway interesting cue from 12YAS and it's not even by Zimmer. I'm not all that surprised. :p

And Zimson, yeah, there's a bit of Hugo influence in The Hobbit, but Shore definitely did NOT just take an entire 3-minute chunk and reorchestrate it a little. There's a difference between a small influence and the wholesale reuse of an existing piece of music.


Adam2014-09-14 03:15:13
Darn. Would I be able to find anything on that BMI site? What was the other one?


NM2014-09-14 14:37:44
ASCAP.

And, well, hah, Benjamin Wallfsich! Very very talented composer.


Hybrid Soldier2014-09-14 14:56:42
It's not from ASCAP, I just know that... :)

LCB reply Replies: 2 || 2014-08-21 16:26:51
Wheel of Fortune is on Lorne's website, so why he's not listed on this track with Zimmer, Gire and Sponsler?


Hybrid Soldier2014-08-21 16:50:32
The names are totally random on Lorne's site... Doesn't mean anything. The cue is basically "Climbing Up"...


Zimson2014-08-21 21:11:32
Yeah, that track on the website isn't on the soundtrack release.

Zimson reply Replies: 4 || 2013-12-22 09:36:37
Is the waltz in "Dinner Is Served" by Zimmer?


Hybrid Soldier2013-12-22 09:37:25
It's by Nick Glennie-Smith & Bruce Fowler ! :)


Zimson2013-12-22 10:16:24
Thx ! :)


Marc2013-12-22 23:52:30
I see that Hybrid put the credit for this cue in proper order; the first part ''Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Mel Wesson'' and the second part ''Nick Glennie-Smith, Bruce Fowler''... oh, not working everytime :) lol


Hybrid Soldier2013-12-23 00:00:46
Yes it's not always the case but somehow for this one I did it right... :P

Mike reply Replies: 1 || 2013-04-16 10:26:26
Does anyone else hear "Seeing is Believing" from the Polar Express (Alan Silvestri) when you hear the first part of Davy Jones? They're really similar.


Matthew2013-12-18 18:35:36
Definitely, I thought they were exactly the same at first.

MacArthur reply Replies: 0 || 2013-08-29 17:55:15
One of my favorite Zimmer Scores

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2013-03-22 19:45:04
4:15-5:18 in jack sparrow is so epic! :D

Nerd reply Replies: 0 || 2013-03-18 05:23:28
I just realized you can hear Beckett's theme in Hello Beastie.

Davey reply Replies: 7 || 2012-12-21 20:22:27
Where the source of the track Summon the kraken !! where i can find this track


Mike2012-12-21 22:47:33
You must have found it on an extended score or something, because it isn't on the album.


Davy2012-12-22 21:04:31
i found a track lenth 2:42 but i don't know it's a real trak or fan mixed track, can any one tell me the true lenth of this track ?


Mr. Fate2012-12-23 00:53:18
I, too, have often wondered where this cue originated from. The oldest version of it I can find is on the set they call the "Extended Experience". It's the first part of "Kraken Attack on the Edinburgh" (I think), with the second part being a little mix made out of The Kraken Suite.

Along with a few other cues heard on the EE, I cannot find the website these came from. The only thing I have to go on is that these tracks with unknown origins may have come from an earlier version of Magic Box Music's site, which has since been updated and redone. The tracks were already around and gone before I ever even got into the soundtrack.

This track should have a run time of around 0:48-0:55. Davy/Davey: the version you must have found also likely has the Kraken Suite mix included with it.


Hybrid Soldier2012-12-23 09:47:33
That cue came from the film's website, and in terrible quality !


Mike2012-12-24 04:53:39
Which cue, Hybrid, the 2:42 one mentioned by Davey or the 0:50ish one mentioned by Mr. Fate?


DavJones2012-12-24 18:47:45
Thank you, Hybrid,Mike & Mr.Fate. The track " Summon The Kraken " the first 48' second is ok, the middle cue is a fan mix edit and the last 20' seconds " when the kraken crashed the ship " it isn't from the orjinal Kraken end track album, so what about the last cue ?


Davy 2012-12-24 21:29:54
Alright, I found in the Expanded Experience;
4tracks Magic Box Music; Tom Gire & John Sponsler

-Wheel of Fortune
-Jar of Dirt
-Dutchman Arrival
-Beckett Compass-Drunk Jack

Geoff Zanelli;

-Cannibal Island
-Bone Cages
-Tia Dalma

Lorne Balfe
-Wheel of Fortune

Trevor Morris
-The Haunted Dress to Tortuga

Davy Jones Suite 3:47 + Davy's Organ
Iam not sure of the source !!


.All other tracks were sfx &Dvd rip music

like track; 'Searching for Jack 1:25'Geoff Zanelli, i don't know the source of this track, other tracks i am not sure of them..

Summon the kraken '' Wake the Kraken the first 48' seconds and the last cue 40' seconds were mixed with the kraken album suite.



Jacob reply Replies: 0 || 2012-12-12 21:10:33
Does anyone know where I can get the full concert band score to Wheel of Fortune?

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2012-11-30 23:00:09
Two Hornpipes is random but genius. XD

Preacher reply Replies: 5 || 2012-10-19 06:56:53
Are there any individual cues on here or does this disk contain some theme suites? If so, what cues are present and which are themes?


Hybrid Soldier2012-10-19 07:30:31
The first 3 tracks are theme suites. The rest are score cues. :)


Preacher2012-10-20 02:08:15
How are the individual cues mixed, like, is #11 made from more than one cue or are some tracks just one cue?


Areozz2012-10-20 02:46:47
You could just download it from literally anywhere and find out yourself, or you could have someone painstakingly pick apart the score for you. What? Are you afraid that you'll hear something you didn't ever want to hear?

Tracks 1-3 are all suites. Track 4 is two cues mixed to one track but they play consecutively anyway in the film. Track 5 is a combination of two cues (possibly out of order but still within the same part of the film). Track 6 is a mix of a couple cues that all play in the same scene anyway. Track 7 is one cue; track 8 is one cue; track 9 is one cue; track 10 is one cue. Track 11 is really long; it is at least two cues, but possibly more. They all play together as they are heard here anyway.

Does that help?


Hybrid Soldier2012-10-20 09:13:26
Yeah,

I've Got My Eyes On You is 2 cues.
Dinner Is Served is 2 cues.
Tia Dalma is 2 cues.
Twho Hornpipes, A Family Affair, Wheel Of Fortune & You Look Good Jack are 1 cue.
Hello Beastie is 3 cues.


Preacher2012-10-20 20:15:51
Thank you, Hybrid Soldier.

Michael reply Replies: 2 || 2012-10-12 00:48:29
Has the full score been released anywhere? Because I absolutely love the variant on the Davy Jones theme, the one when we first see him playing the organ.


-2012-10-12 08:18:38
complete tracklist anyone? :-D


Michael2012-10-12 21:20:16
Oh great...Sorry, Hybrid!

cheesy reply Replies: 6 || 2011-10-25 04:57:24
Does anyone know who specifically composed the unreleased cue in "Summon the Kraken"? (that 45-second bit that starts when Davy Jones has Bootstrap Bill in a choke-hold and says "you will watch this"?) I know it's from a website somewhere, but I'm just really starting to take a liking to it, and it's part of my listener's OCD to be curious as to who specifically composed it. Is it by Hans himself, or one of the Magic Box composers? Anyone have anymore insight?


Blu2011-11-17 07:28:37
It is called "Waking the Kraken", and it is written (arranged?) by the Magic Music Box guys. Source: ASCAP.


Areozz2011-11-17 14:54:42
Is there any chance that you or someone else could point where this cue originated from? The only existence I can find of it is on the Extended Experience which contains several other cues that have unknown origins to me. The Extended Experience had been out long before I got into this music, and it seems that some of this unknown material has since disappeared from where it originated.

"Summon the Kraken" or "Waking the Kraken" is one of these. Another one is the short cue that comes before Davy Jones plays his organ that is called "James Norrington". The other unreleased cues that were on the Extended Experience were also by Magic Box Music, and they are still available ("Beckett Compass" and "Flying Dutchman Arrival").


ynreob2011-11-17 15:41:36
as far as I know, "Waking the Kraken" came from the official PotC-Homepage and "James Norrington" is a DVD-RIP (possibly from a DVD Menu?)


Areozz2011-11-17 15:49:54
I have the fanciest version of the DVD release and I've not heard James Norrington anywhere on there. The DVD menu is where a 30 second sample of "Liar's Dice" came from though.

So that homepage is probably long gone by now, right? Oh, I remembered another cue with unknown origins. I don't know what it goes by but it plays when they dig up Davy Jones' chest. It follows the second usage, slightly different version, of "Waking the Kraken".


ynreob2011-11-17 21:17:39
yeah that homepage is gone since 2007 i suppose :-)

the other cue, when they're finding the chest is quite clean on the rear chanels of the dvd (as is "James norrington" as far as i remember) and i think the expanded experience reuses the website-"waking the kraken" cue here.


Areozz2011-11-17 23:48:18
Yes, it does, even though the orchestration is noticeably different and it has a different ending. You're right--"Waking the Kraken" does get used twice. I'm not up so much for using DVD audio if there is a better source out there. I was just curious to know if the original sources were still in existence and I could snag those cues myself.

I'm glad I was around for the times that Trevor Morris and Geoff Zanelli posted some unreleased stuff because their sites have since been revised and deleted, respectively.

Papapalpatine77 reply Replies: 2 || 2011-11-16 05:15:12
Areozz & Cheesy - I'll start the topic going, as I'm pretty interested in what you 2 have to say. I saw your disussion I've at Sherlock 2.


Papapalpatine772011-11-16 05:15:59
*over* at Sherlock 2


Areozz2011-11-17 00:12:41
Well, thank you. So, I don't know what cheesy was planning to complain about, but I just wanted to state a realization I had not so very long ago in terms of what we got in this OST. I've probably got way more to say than this; this is just what I am thinking at the moment.

The Jack Sparrow suite is still one of the greatest pieces I've heard since I've gotten into listening to this kind of music (slight exaggeration, but whatever). However, once upon a time, I was disappointed to see how little of it actually gets used. And I also remember when the score was new, how everyone was talking about that awesome new theme for DMC. It turns out a good part of this suite originates from one of Jack's themes from the first movie--sure it does get built on, but nonetheless there are the origins.

And now I can take it a step further: bits and pieces of that suite show up literally everywhere! Sure you have to take a look at all the unreleased music we've gotten as well as some that hasn't even surfaced, but it's all there. Originally, I'd only been listening for stuff that sounded exactly how it does in the suite, but now I see Zimmer and his crew somehow have a way to manipulate an arrangement, motif, theme, or what have you so it sounds almost unrecognizable compared to where it originated from.

Here's a brief list of key tracks that contain fragments of the Jack Sparrow suite: the second half of "Walk the Plank," and "One Last Shot," from PotC1; that Cannibal Island track with the action music from Geoff Zanelli and Wheel of Fortune from PotC2; and from the PotC4 demos: 1m02, 1m03, 1m07, and 2m14.

And there is way more--I started an in-depth analysis of one of the scores but as I've found it's a pretty huge undertaking and I'm not sure I'm ever going to have time to fully delve into the structure of this series' scores and completely understand them. Oh, and it also doesn't help much that I don't have the actual complete scores to work from--just what extra material we've gotten and then some guy's DVD rips.

HZ-Fan reply Replies: 2 || 2011-09-15 18:51:37
01-The Bell Tolls
02-Jack Sparrow
03-Why is the Run Always Gone
04-The Black Spot
05-The Search for Jack
06-Pelegostos' Island
07-Elizabeth's Escape
08-The Bone Cages
09-Escaping Cannibal Isle
10-Tia Dalma
11-The Flying Dutchman
12-Haunted Dress
13-Tortuga - 'Two Horn Pipes'
14-The Organ of Davy Jones
15-A family Affair
16-Liar's Dice
17-Summon The Kraken
18-Davy Jones
19-Isla Cruces
20-Wheel of Fortune
21-The Kraken
22-Abandom Ship
23-Hello Beastie
24-End Credits


Agnt007dman2011-09-15 23:23:26
Ok, again with this shit. This is an expanded score where the extra material came from the DVD. I don't understand why people do this. It's not a legit expanded score


Mr. Fate2011-09-15 23:48:07
^^^THIS^^^

Stingray reply Replies: 2 || 2011-06-22 01:28:48
The POTC scores were one of the few major Remote Control Productions scores I had yet to listen to until recently (and I now realize how much I've been missing out), and now let me just say in terms of this album I'm hopelessly addicted to "The Kraken"...7 minutes of raw, classic Hans Zimmer-style epicness.


zach2011-07-19 15:36:58
is he forreal?


Phil2011-09-12 07:28:20
@stingray

"The Kraken" is truely a masterpiece!!!
Also love it!

Phil reply Replies: 8 || 2011-08-29 18:56:15
01. Main Titles - Wedding Crashers
02. Wedding Crashers Part 2
03. For Whom the Bell Tolls - Jack & the Dead
04. Jack the Monkey
05. '...That Way, Direction..'
06. Jack In His Cabin
07. Drunk Jack - Bootstraps Tale - The Black Spot
08. Elizabeth Behind Bars - The Search for Jack
09. The Pearl on the Beach - Will Is Captured & Dinner Is Served
10. 'Save, Me'
11. Cannibal Ceremony - The Bone Cages - Escape from Cannibal Island
12. Up The River - Tia Dalma - An Undead Monkey for a Jar of Dirt
13. A Wrecked Ship
14. The Dutchman Appears - Jones and Sparrow Negotiate & Betrayal
15. Ghostly Appearence
16. Norrington Looking for Revenge - Brawl in the Pub (SFX)
17. Norrington Looking for Revenge - Brawl in the Pub (Alternate)
18. A Game of Liar's Dice - Stealing the Key and Escaping
19. The Turner's Reunite
20. The Kraken Hammer
21. The Kraken Attacks the Edinburgh Trader
22. No Survivors - Set Sail for Isla Cruces
23. Curiosity
24. The Search for Dead Man's Chest - Will Appears
25. Three-way Swordfight - Wheel of Fortune - Fight over the Chest
26. The Flying Dutchman Is Back
27. The Dutchman Chases the Pearl - The Sea Monster Returns (SFX)
28. Chained to the Pearl - 'Hello, Beastie' - 'So, Tell Me, What's Become of My Ship'
29. End Titles


Phil2011-08-29 18:57:12
total length: 95min.


Dakota2011-08-29 19:32:02
I among many other people have this Phil. It's loaded with SFX. The person who ripped it from the DVD did a real shitty job. This is not a legit expanded score


Phil2011-08-29 20:07:30
ohh, pity...

but thx for the information


Dakota2011-08-29 20:49:47
Sorry to disappoint. There is one available on a shrine in your deepest fantasies. Google is your friend. Use it.


Mr. Fate2011-08-29 23:11:15
Ah, yes the 29-track bootleg score that's been around for ages. Whoever made it used DVD audio from one single rear channel and over-amplified it so it sounds downright awful. This one really sucks, but I suppose its one of the ones that got me started. The Extended Experience, although less complete, is far superior.


Papapalpatine772011-08-30 00:22:01
Mr. Fate, I would have to agree with you. If you know where to look, another 2-Disc expanded has just surfaced


Phil2011-08-30 09:25:27
Would it also be possible if there would never release an expanded score?


Papapalpatine772011-08-30 09:59:28
Phil, here was one released yesterday. No that great, but legitimate enough to substitute it for the OST

Poisonheadcrab reply Replies: 4 || 2010-11-24 00:00:00
Here is an expanded score of Dead Man's Chest I made, using cues from various sources.

01. Jack's Theme Bare Bones Demo (4:05)
02. Wedding Crash (1:39)
03. I've Got My Eye On You (2:25)
04. This Way Direction (1:39)
05. Left Our Marks (2:32)
06. Times Up (5:34)
07. I Have Faith In You (1:58)
08. Elizabeth's Escape (0:35)
09. The Pelegostos (2:59)
10. Bone Cages (2:16)
11. Polvolt (1:10)
12. Tia Dalma (4:16)
13. The Flying Dutchman (3:20)
14. The Haunted Dress To Tortuga (1:17)
15. Two Hornpipes (1:14)
16. Davy Jones Suite (3:45)
17. Mr. Turner (3:34)
18. Game Of Deception (0:45)
19. Summoning The Kraken (0:48)
20. The Kraken Suite (6:55)
21. Very Much Alike (1:57)
22. Fight For The Key (3:44)
23. Wheel of Fortune (6:46)
24. A Jar Of Dirt (2:19)
25. Hello Beastie (10:16)
26. What's Become Of My Ship (6:29)
total time is about 84 minutes


Anonymous2011-05-02 01:36:24
How did you do this and using what sources?


uga2011-07-28 04:22:54
is this sfx free?


Poisonheadcrab2011-08-16 23:36:15
@-uga

the tracks Wedding Crash, Very Much Alike, & Fight For The Key contain sfx, but very little.


Anonymous2011-08-29 23:36:06
@-Anonymous

sources:
youtube
DVD
Geoff Zanelli's website
Magic Box Music website
Trevor Morrises website

Alyn reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-25 09:07:25
Hey hey hey, take a gdaenr at what' you've done

Nevaeh reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-25 05:53:14
A million thanks for poistng this information.

Krystallynn reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-25 05:36:00
Walking in the presence of giants here. Cool tihiknng all around!

Matei reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-25 03:56:17
This artcile went ahead and made my day.

Dora reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-24 12:54:40
Furrealz? That's mravleously good to know.

Bondo reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-20 23:09:04
At what point in "Hello Beastie" does the Balfe cue end and the Sponsler/Gire cue begin?

Iceboy reply Replies: 0 || 2011-03-13 00:00:00
Anyone got any info on the 2CD expanded score of this, without SFX? Its out there.

Ds reply Replies: 0 || 2011-03-03 00:00:00
Here's an AMAZING cover of "The kraken", by Guitarist Marco Tafelli & drummer Gavin Harrison (Porcupine Tree)

h t t p ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_D5yEcD7aQ

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2011-01-10 00:00:00
That one is tough, cause it borrows a lot from POTC 1.

It does a bit to Blake Neely as only one of his themes from the first film made it to the soundtrack (in One Last Shot).

For Klaus's themes :

"I've Got My Eyes On You" => The opening, from 0:06 to 0:18.

"Tia Dalma" => From 0:00 to 0:24 is another KB theme.

"A Family Affair" => From 1:23 to 1:48.

"Wheel Of Fortune" => One theme between 2:15 & 2:36, another one from 2:44 to 2:55.

For Blake Neely :

"Tia Dalma" => his theme is between 1:33 & 1:48, but all what's after is a rearrangement of a Blake cue from POTC 1.

"You Look Good Jack" => His themes pop up everywhere, from 0:12 to 0:40, from 1:51 to 2:12 & from 2:53 to 3:00... :D

"Hello Beastie" => His "Dead Barbossa" theme from POTC 1 comes back here from 8:07 to 8:40 !

Voilà !

Hope this helps to get it in this big mess !! :D

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