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Most of the album is comprised of suites, with one consistent tempo per track. <br><br>The material that was scored to picture was scored using the risset rhythm technique, which gave a lot of those tracks their "infinitely getting faster" feeling in the film, so the tempo is always climbing in the film versions. The suites have a stable tempo (except for a couple normal tempo changes, which are different)Not really any... "Nothing Out There" contains the sad piano theme from Begins and Dark Knight, but otherwise the themes that get reprised are pretty much Hans stuff. <br><br>Speaking of credits, any chance the complete score page could be updated with what's out there and official?Could somebody tell me in what cues JNH's themes appear on album?Thanks MIKE, Any ideas of how can I Google it?Yeah, that cue was either a last minute rewrite or one of the music editors did it.... As for where you can find it...Google is your friend. But it's not going to be available anywhere officially.
I think it will be in between NOT ORDINARY CITIZEN / THE SLOW KNIFE and IMAGINE THE FIRE, Does anybody know where can I find it?<br>I noticed that this score doesn't has the soundtrack of the part where Blake is taking the people to the bridge and he is discusing with the other police officer before he blows the bridgeThat's right, I forgot about that... And I totally agree about the score vs. the album. I had no use for this score on album at first, but now that I've watched the movie a few times, I can really hear the logic behind the score and I "get it." <br><br>I still don't get the music as heard on album, though. Are the longer pieces some early suites Hans wrote? Or did he specifically make these arrangements for the album? Do you know the answer to that one, Hybrid?I wanna say I heard the full Cat Suite somewhere... I can't remember if it was legit, but it was 15:39 and it was indeed quite repetitive. It was basically the Selina Kyle Suite from the Z+ app, along with demos of several of the Catwoman-related cues in the final score. If you've listened through the score, you've basically heard the unreleased stuff.@Mike<br>Zimmer has said in interviews that he “mapped out” the film with one long piece of music to establish the changing tempo of the story, and apparently the script was written to capture the rhythmic feel of the film. So from the very beginning the story was always split up between the three.<br><br>I think a big part of the initial disappointment with the score was the album presentation, which gives off the impression that the music is just some sound design that Zimmer threw together (this is how I personally felt when I first gave it a listen). In actuality it’s a technically impressive score, I really can’t think of any other film score that is so synchronized with a film’s tempo and flows as one long piece of music. Apparently it was a nightmare for Hans, especially when the smallest edits to the film would ruin the flow.<br><br>Doing the 59-minute album was a pretty big disservice to the whole purpose of the music. If you remove one piece the whole thing falls apart, which is part of the reason the album feels so disjointed.
Anyone here listened "The Predator" FYC score? <br>Any chance to compare tracklist and running time with official release?These versions suites haven't been officially released, but maybe you can find them somewhere around the Internet unofficially.<br><br>As for the Cat Suite, the most important parts of it can be found in "Selina Kyle" (it's a shortened version of it actually) and "Mind if I cut in?" from the OST. I remember that Hybrid once said that the 15mins Cat Suite was too repetitive, that's why a 5min only version was released, so maybe you are just fine with those two.<br>Where can I listen to the Cat Suite? Or is it literally: Selina Kyle Theme? <br>The Mole P1 (0-1:57)<br>Regimental Brothers P1 (0-1:19)<br>The Mole P2 (1:57-3:44)<br>Regimental Brothers P3 (2:44 onward)<br>We Need Our Army Back<br>Shivering Soldier<br>Supermarine P1 (0-2:47)<br>The Mole P3 (3:45 onward)<br>We Need Our Army Back (again) <br>Supermarine P2 (*5:33)<br>Impulse<br>The Tide<br>Home <br>The Oil <br>Variation 15<br>End Credits <br><br>As everyone said already, the album is made up of suites that combine several cues and several "sounds" used in various places. For example, the is a sound in The Mole (At 2:05) that sounds like a fuse being ignited. This sound is actually right after The Tide in the film.<br>The only tracks that are almost identical to the film are: The Tide, Variation 15 and End Credits, the rest is different. <br><br>So if you were to order the tracks as first heard in the film it would be: <br>The Mole <br>Regimental Brothers <br>We Need Our Army Back<br>Shivering Soldier <br>Supermarine <br>Impluse <br>The Tide <br>Home <br>The Oil<br>Variation 15<br>End credits<br><br>As much as I enjoyed listening to this release, I wish they didn't butcher the score the way they did. I like the suites but there are so many great cues in this film that weren't released. If only they released an isolated score track on Blu-ray. Listening to film extracts is just not enough.I noticed that as well — the ticking goes all through the movie, except for the boat scenes, and only stops when they get on the train. <br><br>I wonder...could the film have originally been shot so that the beach, sea, and air sequences were there own arcs, and the longer album tracks were written for that? And then Nolan went in and turned the movie into the frenetic, constantly cutting-back-and-forth final product? <br><br>While the album is fine, I personally don't understand why we couldn't have just gotten the film cues. They might have had to stitch several together for each track, but it could have worked.
Does anyone know where you can get a digital version of the Japanese versions 2 bonus tracks?Comparing it to YFM’s sfx edit this is what I’ve got;<br><br>“The Mole” seems to be an alternate of the opening sequence. The first minute or so is used, while the rest isn’t. “We Need Our Army Back/Regimental Brothers” are both made up of several cues from different points in the film. <br>“Home” is completely different in the film, which makes me think it may have been recorded specifically for the album. Similar situation with “Oil”. <br>“Supermarine” is definitely a suite. The rest is chronological.<br><br>Interesting thing to note, it seems like a lot of the tempo changes/ticking effects/bass overlays were removed from the album release, making almost every track sound different from the actual film versions. The music in context has a constant pulse going, especially in the way cues segue into each other and change tempo.It's not really possible to chronologically order the album because the album doesn't use the same tracks as the movie. Plus, the album is more or less chronological anyway, given the areas where they are the same.<br>With the complete cue sheet out now. Does anyone know what the chronological order of the album would be?Movie credits:<br><br>Music Composed and Mixed by:<br>TOM HOLKENBORG<br><br>Additional Music:<br>ANTONIO DI IORIO<br><br>Music Supervisor:<br>DAVE JORDAN<br><br>Music Editor:<br>PETER MYLES<br><br>Score Conducted by:<br>CONRAD POPE<br><br>Score Orchestrated by:<br>EDWARD TRYBEK, HENRI WILKINSON, JONATHAN BEARD, TOM HOLKENBORG<br>Score Copied by:<br>EDWARD TRYBEK, HENRI WILKINSON<br><br>Score Contracted by:<br>PETER ROTTER<br><br>Choir Contracted by:<br>JASPER RANDALL<br><br>Score Recorded by:<br>ALAN MEYERSON, BRAD HAEHNEL<br><br>Digital Recording by:<br>KEVIN GLOBERMAN<br><br>Technical Score Engineers:<br>ALEX RUGER, EMILY RICE,<br><br>Synth Programming by:<br>JACOPO TRIFONE, JONAS FRIEDMAN, MAX KARMAZYN<br><br>Score Recorded at:<br>NEWMAN RECORDING STAGE<br><br>Music Production Services by:<br>MICHIEL GROENEVELD<br><br>Score Mixed at:<br>COMPUTER HELL CABIN<br><br>Newman Stage Engineer:<br>MARC GEBAUER<br><br>Newman Recordist:<br>TIM LAUBER<br><br>Newman Stage Managers:<br>DAMON TEDESCO, PETER NELSON
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Hans ZimmerGeoff ZanelliTrevor MorrisLorne Balfe
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Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Man's Chest
Label: Walt Disney Records
Length: 58'32 (Score: 51'30)
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  1. Jack Sparrow (6:06)
    Hans Zimmer
  2. The Kraken (6:55)
    Hans Zimmer
  3. Davy Jones (3:15)
    Hans Zimmer
  4. I've Got My Eye On You (2:25) *
    Hans Zimmer, Trevor Morris
  5. Dinner Is Served (1:30)
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Mel Wesson, Nick Glennie-Smith, Bruce Fowler
  6. Tia Dalma (3:57) * +
    Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Lorne Balfe
  7. Two Hornpipes (Tortuga) (1:14)
    Skip Henderson, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  8. A Family Affair (3:34) *
    Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
  9. Wheel Of Fortune (6:45) *
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  10. You Look Good Jack (5:34) +
    Hans Zimmer
  11. Hello Beastie (10:15) +
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Tom Gire, John Sponsler
  12. He's A Pirate - Tiësto Remix (7:02)
* Contains themes from POTC 1 written by Klaus Badelt

+ Contains themes from POTC 1 written by Blake Neely
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Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2018-06-26 19:58:28
Davy jones track is awsome !

Agent reply Replies: 0 || 2017-08-01 04:35:24
So Hybrid, did Zimmer first used the church organ here? Or it was the organ from the film? The same goes for the 3rd film.

thejok3rrules reply Replies: 27 || 2014-09-11 04:31:17
Today, I was listening to my music on my phone. As I had put it on shuffle, I heard the track ''Do you think I'm a saxon'' from The King Arthur. The track lasts 8:44 minutes. After that, I heard ''Hello Beastie'', my favorite track from POTC Dead Man's Chest. How can I say?... Zimmer has never been that lazy. I believe "Hello Beastie'' is the worst ripoff track ever. Damn it.


Hybrid Soldier2014-09-11 08:45:22
You realized just now ??


Actually it's a brilliant piece. It was either temptracked (like many KA cues in POTC 2 & 3) or Hans just wanted to achieve his idea started in KA... :)

Love both versions...

If reused material is a problem, dude, do never ever listen a POTC score again... The genesis of this saga's music is based on that fact !! xD


bro2014-09-11 09:42:43
I find it more interesting when things are "reused".

It often offers insight on the evolution of the cue, the creative process, and sometimes a clearer listen at the stems. It's a new perspective, and to an aspiring composer and fan, I really appreciate both of those versions.

If you had a musical ear you could tell that many things changed between the two recordings but whatever


Edmund Meinerts2014-09-11 11:21:28
Reused material is generally not a big problem for me, but I have to admit that this case (over 3 minutes copied and pasted practically verbatim) strikes me as particularly egregious. Yeah, a few things are changed in the orchestration, but still - the architecture of the cue is practically identical. Not one of Zimmer's better moments.


Ds2014-09-11 11:56:53
Or maybe they first used it as temptrack, and then the team (HZ, Verbinski...) thought it fitted the scene so perfectly, and that it would be pointless to try and do something different just for the sake of it. Maybe they tried, and couldn't come up with a cue fitting the scene so well. Don't forget the primary goal of film scoring is to create music to accompany the movie as well as possible.


Cap'n Jack Sparrow2014-09-11 14:53:38
Or, if I may be so bold here to interject my personal wisdom acquired from 21+ years of piracy, Mr Zimmer may have created a piece to overwrite this one we're writing about, and the afforementioned Mr Verbinski got too attached to the afforementiond temptrack, which many believe to be a King Arthur temptrack, and refused the proper use of the designated music created specially for this purpose.

Savvy?


thejok3rrules2014-09-11 17:06:19
I usually don't mind about this kind of thing. Everyone went crazy about ''Safe Now'' from Captain Phillips and ''Hope'' from X-Men DOFP being ripoffs of ''Time'', while I didn't give a damn. It's alright to write something while being inspired by something else. However, copy-paste sucks.


Mike2014-09-11 17:07:48
LOL to the Captain. That was (actually) quite funny.


Zimson2014-09-11 17:18:36
Every composer does that from time to time. Howard Shore for example recycled some cues from Hugo for the hobbit.


thejok3rrules2014-09-11 18:19:30
@thejoke3rrules This might be because I listen to a lot of film music, but 'Safe Now' completely took me out of the film when I was watching it in the theatre. In fact my overwhelming feeling when I walked out was that it was good film with a very tired-sounding Zimmer-rip off action score. This was without knowing anything about the film or who scored it (I like seeing films blind these days - nice to be surprised!).

The evolution thing I can get, but I think it's legitimate to be distracted if what you hear is clearly just a copy of something else, especially if it's recent. 'Time' to me really sums up Inception, whereas 'Safe Now' just... there's no allusion to that theme beforehand. Henry Jackman is a talented fella. Imagine what he could've done with some more creative freedom.

"Mr Verbinski got too attached to the afforementiond temptrack, which many believe to be a King Arthur temptrack, and refused the proper use of the designated music created specially for this purpose."

I've written music for some (very!) small scale things, and I can tell you from experience it seems that directors, big and small have this problem in spades. There is often nothing worse than being handed a scene with music already applied to it, because immediately your creativity suffers, immediately now you're always subconsciously comparing what you write to the temp, immediately in a way you've been cut out from the discussion.


NM2014-09-11 18:20:44
Oh shit haha, I meant to mark my name as 'NM' in the post, I have no idea how I did that! I'll repost my post and someone can delete that hopefully! Sorry, the joke3.

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@thejoke3rrules This might be because I listen to a lot of film music, but 'Safe Now' completely took me out of the film when I was watching it in the theatre. In fact my overwhelming feeling when I walked out was that it was good film with a very tired-sounding Zimmer-rip off action score. This was without knowing anything about the film or who scored it (I like seeing films blind these days - nice to be surprised!).

The evolution thing I can get, but I think it's legitimate to be distracted if what you hear is clearly just a copy of something else, especially if it's recent. 'Time' to me really sums up Inception, whereas 'Safe Now' just... there's no allusion to that theme beforehand. Henry Jackman is a talented fella. Imagine what he could've done with some more creative freedom.

"Mr Verbinski got too attached to the afforementiond temptrack, which many believe to be a King Arthur temptrack, and refused the proper use of the designated music created specially for this purpose."

I've written music for some (very!) small scale things, and I can tell you from experience it seems that directors, big and small have this problem in spades. There is often nothing worse than being handed a scene with music already applied to it, because immediately your creativity suffers, immediately now you're always subconsciously comparing what you write to the temp, immediately in a way you've been cut out from the discussion


Hybrid Soldier2014-09-11 19:14:57
Well Safe Now is not really by Jackman... lol


Mike2014-09-12 00:29:17
Yeah, it's by....everyone who contributed to that score, right? :P


Hybrid Soldier2014-09-12 08:33:05
It was rewritten 30 times by everyone... The final one is HZ.


thejok3rrules2014-09-12 22:07:07
Hybrid, maybe you shouldn't have said that... Zimmer cannot be proud of that one.


Mike2014-09-12 22:08:30
lol, Joker, I agree...


Hybrid Soldier2014-09-12 22:28:38
You think he is proud ??? LOL


He doesn't want to hear about Cap Phillips ever again... :D


thejok3rrules2014-09-12 23:58:20
I'll give him a chance this time and pretend he did it for the sake of RCP ;)


bro2014-09-13 09:49:36
The only time i have ever actually felt like a theme was recycled and took me out of the movie was 12 years a slave. I was actually very disappointed with the main title theme.


NM2014-09-13 18:16:43
Yeah I was really disappointed with the score. Given how rich, layered and powerful the film itself is, hearing another version of 'Time' just didn't emotionally connect with me (and was distracting). The best music is the bit where they're on the ship, that was inventive and frightening.


Adam2014-09-13 21:58:43
@NM,

"Boat Trip to New Orleans". A lot of people said that one was the worst cue, but I loved it as well. It gives you a sense of dread - and therefore does it's job.


Hybrid Soldier2014-09-13 22:55:40
Yeah, it was written by Benjamin Wallfsich actually ! ;)


Adam2014-09-13 23:34:49
Cool, thanks Hybrid! Any other known credits?


Hybrid Soldier2014-09-14 00:00:18
Nope... :/


Edmund Meinerts2014-09-14 02:07:17
The only even halfway interesting cue from 12YAS and it's not even by Zimmer. I'm not all that surprised. :p

And Zimson, yeah, there's a bit of Hugo influence in The Hobbit, but Shore definitely did NOT just take an entire 3-minute chunk and reorchestrate it a little. There's a difference between a small influence and the wholesale reuse of an existing piece of music.


Adam2014-09-14 03:15:13
Darn. Would I be able to find anything on that BMI site? What was the other one?


NM2014-09-14 14:37:44
ASCAP.

And, well, hah, Benjamin Wallfsich! Very very talented composer.


Hybrid Soldier2014-09-14 14:56:42
It's not from ASCAP, I just know that... :)

LCB reply Replies: 2 || 2014-08-21 16:26:51
Wheel of Fortune is on Lorne's website, so why he's not listed on this track with Zimmer, Gire and Sponsler?


Hybrid Soldier2014-08-21 16:50:32
The names are totally random on Lorne's site... Doesn't mean anything. The cue is basically "Climbing Up"...


Zimson2014-08-21 21:11:32
Yeah, that track on the website isn't on the soundtrack release.

Zimson reply Replies: 4 || 2013-12-22 09:36:37
Is the waltz in "Dinner Is Served" by Zimmer?


Hybrid Soldier2013-12-22 09:37:25
It's by Nick Glennie-Smith & Bruce Fowler ! :)


Zimson2013-12-22 10:16:24
Thx ! :)


Marc2013-12-22 23:52:30
I see that Hybrid put the credit for this cue in proper order; the first part ''Hans Zimmer, Geoff Zanelli, Mel Wesson'' and the second part ''Nick Glennie-Smith, Bruce Fowler''... oh, not working everytime :) lol


Hybrid Soldier2013-12-23 00:00:46
Yes it's not always the case but somehow for this one I did it right... :P

Mike reply Replies: 1 || 2013-04-16 10:26:26
Does anyone else hear "Seeing is Believing" from the Polar Express (Alan Silvestri) when you hear the first part of Davy Jones? They're really similar.


Matthew2013-12-18 18:35:36
Definitely, I thought they were exactly the same at first.

MacArthur reply Replies: 0 || 2013-08-29 17:55:15
One of my favorite Zimmer Scores

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2013-03-22 19:45:04
4:15-5:18 in jack sparrow is so epic! :D

Nerd reply Replies: 0 || 2013-03-18 05:23:28
I just realized you can hear Beckett's theme in Hello Beastie.

Davey reply Replies: 7 || 2012-12-21 20:22:27
Where the source of the track Summon the kraken !! where i can find this track


Mike2012-12-21 22:47:33
You must have found it on an extended score or something, because it isn't on the album.


Davy2012-12-22 21:04:31
i found a track lenth 2:42 but i don't know it's a real trak or fan mixed track, can any one tell me the true lenth of this track ?


Mr. Fate2012-12-23 00:53:18
I, too, have often wondered where this cue originated from. The oldest version of it I can find is on the set they call the "Extended Experience". It's the first part of "Kraken Attack on the Edinburgh" (I think), with the second part being a little mix made out of The Kraken Suite.

Along with a few other cues heard on the EE, I cannot find the website these came from. The only thing I have to go on is that these tracks with unknown origins may have come from an earlier version of Magic Box Music's site, which has since been updated and redone. The tracks were already around and gone before I ever even got into the soundtrack.

This track should have a run time of around 0:48-0:55. Davy/Davey: the version you must have found also likely has the Kraken Suite mix included with it.


Hybrid Soldier2012-12-23 09:47:33
That cue came from the film's website, and in terrible quality !


Mike2012-12-24 04:53:39
Which cue, Hybrid, the 2:42 one mentioned by Davey or the 0:50ish one mentioned by Mr. Fate?


DavJones2012-12-24 18:47:45
Thank you, Hybrid,Mike & Mr.Fate. The track " Summon The Kraken " the first 48' second is ok, the middle cue is a fan mix edit and the last 20' seconds " when the kraken crashed the ship " it isn't from the orjinal Kraken end track album, so what about the last cue ?


Davy 2012-12-24 21:29:54
Alright, I found in the Expanded Experience;
4tracks Magic Box Music; Tom Gire & John Sponsler

-Wheel of Fortune
-Jar of Dirt
-Dutchman Arrival
-Beckett Compass-Drunk Jack

Geoff Zanelli;

-Cannibal Island
-Bone Cages
-Tia Dalma

Lorne Balfe
-Wheel of Fortune

Trevor Morris
-The Haunted Dress to Tortuga

Davy Jones Suite 3:47 + Davy's Organ
Iam not sure of the source !!


.All other tracks were sfx &Dvd rip music

like track; 'Searching for Jack 1:25'Geoff Zanelli, i don't know the source of this track, other tracks i am not sure of them..

Summon the kraken '' Wake the Kraken the first 48' seconds and the last cue 40' seconds were mixed with the kraken album suite.



Jacob reply Replies: 0 || 2012-12-12 21:10:33
Does anyone know where I can get the full concert band score to Wheel of Fortune?

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2012-11-30 23:00:09
Two Hornpipes is random but genius. XD

Preacher reply Replies: 5 || 2012-10-19 06:56:53
Are there any individual cues on here or does this disk contain some theme suites? If so, what cues are present and which are themes?


Hybrid Soldier2012-10-19 07:30:31
The first 3 tracks are theme suites. The rest are score cues. :)


Preacher2012-10-20 02:08:15
How are the individual cues mixed, like, is #11 made from more than one cue or are some tracks just one cue?


Areozz2012-10-20 02:46:47
You could just download it from literally anywhere and find out yourself, or you could have someone painstakingly pick apart the score for you. What? Are you afraid that you'll hear something you didn't ever want to hear?

Tracks 1-3 are all suites. Track 4 is two cues mixed to one track but they play consecutively anyway in the film. Track 5 is a combination of two cues (possibly out of order but still within the same part of the film). Track 6 is a mix of a couple cues that all play in the same scene anyway. Track 7 is one cue; track 8 is one cue; track 9 is one cue; track 10 is one cue. Track 11 is really long; it is at least two cues, but possibly more. They all play together as they are heard here anyway.

Does that help?


Hybrid Soldier2012-10-20 09:13:26
Yeah,

I've Got My Eyes On You is 2 cues.
Dinner Is Served is 2 cues.
Tia Dalma is 2 cues.
Twho Hornpipes, A Family Affair, Wheel Of Fortune & You Look Good Jack are 1 cue.
Hello Beastie is 3 cues.


Preacher2012-10-20 20:15:51
Thank you, Hybrid Soldier.

Michael reply Replies: 2 || 2012-10-12 00:48:29
Has the full score been released anywhere? Because I absolutely love the variant on the Davy Jones theme, the one when we first see him playing the organ.


-2012-10-12 08:18:38
complete tracklist anyone? :-D


Michael2012-10-12 21:20:16
Oh great...Sorry, Hybrid!

cheesy reply Replies: 6 || 2011-10-25 04:57:24
Does anyone know who specifically composed the unreleased cue in "Summon the Kraken"? (that 45-second bit that starts when Davy Jones has Bootstrap Bill in a choke-hold and says "you will watch this"?) I know it's from a website somewhere, but I'm just really starting to take a liking to it, and it's part of my listener's OCD to be curious as to who specifically composed it. Is it by Hans himself, or one of the Magic Box composers? Anyone have anymore insight?


Blu2011-11-17 07:28:37
It is called "Waking the Kraken", and it is written (arranged?) by the Magic Music Box guys. Source: ASCAP.


Areozz2011-11-17 14:54:42
Is there any chance that you or someone else could point where this cue originated from? The only existence I can find of it is on the Extended Experience which contains several other cues that have unknown origins to me. The Extended Experience had been out long before I got into this music, and it seems that some of this unknown material has since disappeared from where it originated.

"Summon the Kraken" or "Waking the Kraken" is one of these. Another one is the short cue that comes before Davy Jones plays his organ that is called "James Norrington". The other unreleased cues that were on the Extended Experience were also by Magic Box Music, and they are still available ("Beckett Compass" and "Flying Dutchman Arrival").


ynreob2011-11-17 15:41:36
as far as I know, "Waking the Kraken" came from the official PotC-Homepage and "James Norrington" is a DVD-RIP (possibly from a DVD Menu?)


Areozz2011-11-17 15:49:54
I have the fanciest version of the DVD release and I've not heard James Norrington anywhere on there. The DVD menu is where a 30 second sample of "Liar's Dice" came from though.

So that homepage is probably long gone by now, right? Oh, I remembered another cue with unknown origins. I don't know what it goes by but it plays when they dig up Davy Jones' chest. It follows the second usage, slightly different version, of "Waking the Kraken".


ynreob2011-11-17 21:17:39
yeah that homepage is gone since 2007 i suppose :-)

the other cue, when they're finding the chest is quite clean on the rear chanels of the dvd (as is "James norrington" as far as i remember) and i think the expanded experience reuses the website-"waking the kraken" cue here.


Areozz2011-11-17 23:48:18
Yes, it does, even though the orchestration is noticeably different and it has a different ending. You're right--"Waking the Kraken" does get used twice. I'm not up so much for using DVD audio if there is a better source out there. I was just curious to know if the original sources were still in existence and I could snag those cues myself.

I'm glad I was around for the times that Trevor Morris and Geoff Zanelli posted some unreleased stuff because their sites have since been revised and deleted, respectively.

Papapalpatine77 reply Replies: 2 || 2011-11-16 05:15:12
Areozz & Cheesy - I'll start the topic going, as I'm pretty interested in what you 2 have to say. I saw your disussion I've at Sherlock 2.


Papapalpatine772011-11-16 05:15:59
*over* at Sherlock 2


Areozz2011-11-17 00:12:41
Well, thank you. So, I don't know what cheesy was planning to complain about, but I just wanted to state a realization I had not so very long ago in terms of what we got in this OST. I've probably got way more to say than this; this is just what I am thinking at the moment.

The Jack Sparrow suite is still one of the greatest pieces I've heard since I've gotten into listening to this kind of music (slight exaggeration, but whatever). However, once upon a time, I was disappointed to see how little of it actually gets used. And I also remember when the score was new, how everyone was talking about that awesome new theme for DMC. It turns out a good part of this suite originates from one of Jack's themes from the first movie--sure it does get built on, but nonetheless there are the origins.

And now I can take it a step further: bits and pieces of that suite show up literally everywhere! Sure you have to take a look at all the unreleased music we've gotten as well as some that hasn't even surfaced, but it's all there. Originally, I'd only been listening for stuff that sounded exactly how it does in the suite, but now I see Zimmer and his crew somehow have a way to manipulate an arrangement, motif, theme, or what have you so it sounds almost unrecognizable compared to where it originated from.

Here's a brief list of key tracks that contain fragments of the Jack Sparrow suite: the second half of "Walk the Plank," and "One Last Shot," from PotC1; that Cannibal Island track with the action music from Geoff Zanelli and Wheel of Fortune from PotC2; and from the PotC4 demos: 1m02, 1m03, 1m07, and 2m14.

And there is way more--I started an in-depth analysis of one of the scores but as I've found it's a pretty huge undertaking and I'm not sure I'm ever going to have time to fully delve into the structure of this series' scores and completely understand them. Oh, and it also doesn't help much that I don't have the actual complete scores to work from--just what extra material we've gotten and then some guy's DVD rips.

HZ-Fan reply Replies: 2 || 2011-09-15 18:51:37
01-The Bell Tolls
02-Jack Sparrow
03-Why is the Run Always Gone
04-The Black Spot
05-The Search for Jack
06-Pelegostos' Island
07-Elizabeth's Escape
08-The Bone Cages
09-Escaping Cannibal Isle
10-Tia Dalma
11-The Flying Dutchman
12-Haunted Dress
13-Tortuga - 'Two Horn Pipes'
14-The Organ of Davy Jones
15-A family Affair
16-Liar's Dice
17-Summon The Kraken
18-Davy Jones
19-Isla Cruces
20-Wheel of Fortune
21-The Kraken
22-Abandom Ship
23-Hello Beastie
24-End Credits


Agnt007dman2011-09-15 23:23:26
Ok, again with this shit. This is an expanded score where the extra material came from the DVD. I don't understand why people do this. It's not a legit expanded score


Mr. Fate2011-09-15 23:48:07
^^^THIS^^^

Stingray reply Replies: 2 || 2011-06-22 01:28:48
The POTC scores were one of the few major Remote Control Productions scores I had yet to listen to until recently (and I now realize how much I've been missing out), and now let me just say in terms of this album I'm hopelessly addicted to "The Kraken"...7 minutes of raw, classic Hans Zimmer-style epicness.


zach2011-07-19 15:36:58
is he forreal?


Phil2011-09-12 07:28:20
@stingray

"The Kraken" is truely a masterpiece!!!
Also love it!

Phil reply Replies: 8 || 2011-08-29 18:56:15
01. Main Titles - Wedding Crashers
02. Wedding Crashers Part 2
03. For Whom the Bell Tolls - Jack & the Dead
04. Jack the Monkey
05. '...That Way, Direction..'
06. Jack In His Cabin
07. Drunk Jack - Bootstraps Tale - The Black Spot
08. Elizabeth Behind Bars - The Search for Jack
09. The Pearl on the Beach - Will Is Captured & Dinner Is Served
10. 'Save, Me'
11. Cannibal Ceremony - The Bone Cages - Escape from Cannibal Island
12. Up The River - Tia Dalma - An Undead Monkey for a Jar of Dirt
13. A Wrecked Ship
14. The Dutchman Appears - Jones and Sparrow Negotiate & Betrayal
15. Ghostly Appearence
16. Norrington Looking for Revenge - Brawl in the Pub (SFX)
17. Norrington Looking for Revenge - Brawl in the Pub (Alternate)
18. A Game of Liar's Dice - Stealing the Key and Escaping
19. The Turner's Reunite
20. The Kraken Hammer
21. The Kraken Attacks the Edinburgh Trader
22. No Survivors - Set Sail for Isla Cruces
23. Curiosity
24. The Search for Dead Man's Chest - Will Appears
25. Three-way Swordfight - Wheel of Fortune - Fight over the Chest
26. The Flying Dutchman Is Back
27. The Dutchman Chases the Pearl - The Sea Monster Returns (SFX)
28. Chained to the Pearl - 'Hello, Beastie' - 'So, Tell Me, What's Become of My Ship'
29. End Titles


Phil2011-08-29 18:57:12
total length: 95min.


Dakota2011-08-29 19:32:02
I among many other people have this Phil. It's loaded with SFX. The person who ripped it from the DVD did a real shitty job. This is not a legit expanded score


Phil2011-08-29 20:07:30
ohh, pity...

but thx for the information


Dakota2011-08-29 20:49:47
Sorry to disappoint. There is one available on a shrine in your deepest fantasies. Google is your friend. Use it.


Mr. Fate2011-08-29 23:11:15
Ah, yes the 29-track bootleg score that's been around for ages. Whoever made it used DVD audio from one single rear channel and over-amplified it so it sounds downright awful. This one really sucks, but I suppose its one of the ones that got me started. The Extended Experience, although less complete, is far superior.


Papapalpatine772011-08-30 00:22:01
Mr. Fate, I would have to agree with you. If you know where to look, another 2-Disc expanded has just surfaced


Phil2011-08-30 09:25:27
Would it also be possible if there would never release an expanded score?


Papapalpatine772011-08-30 09:59:28
Phil, here was one released yesterday. No that great, but legitimate enough to substitute it for the OST

Poisonheadcrab reply Replies: 4 || 2010-11-24 00:00:00
Here is an expanded score of Dead Man's Chest I made, using cues from various sources.

01. Jack's Theme Bare Bones Demo (4:05)
02. Wedding Crash (1:39)
03. I've Got My Eye On You (2:25)
04. This Way Direction (1:39)
05. Left Our Marks (2:32)
06. Times Up (5:34)
07. I Have Faith In You (1:58)
08. Elizabeth's Escape (0:35)
09. The Pelegostos (2:59)
10. Bone Cages (2:16)
11. Polvolt (1:10)
12. Tia Dalma (4:16)
13. The Flying Dutchman (3:20)
14. The Haunted Dress To Tortuga (1:17)
15. Two Hornpipes (1:14)
16. Davy Jones Suite (3:45)
17. Mr. Turner (3:34)
18. Game Of Deception (0:45)
19. Summoning The Kraken (0:48)
20. The Kraken Suite (6:55)
21. Very Much Alike (1:57)
22. Fight For The Key (3:44)
23. Wheel of Fortune (6:46)
24. A Jar Of Dirt (2:19)
25. Hello Beastie (10:16)
26. What's Become Of My Ship (6:29)
total time is about 84 minutes


Anonymous2011-05-02 01:36:24
How did you do this and using what sources?


uga2011-07-28 04:22:54
is this sfx free?


Poisonheadcrab2011-08-16 23:36:15
@-uga

the tracks Wedding Crash, Very Much Alike, & Fight For The Key contain sfx, but very little.


Anonymous2011-08-29 23:36:06
@-Anonymous

sources:
youtube
DVD
Geoff Zanelli's website
Magic Box Music website
Trevor Morrises website

Alyn reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-25 09:07:25
Hey hey hey, take a gdaenr at what' you've done

Nevaeh reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-25 05:53:14
A million thanks for poistng this information.

Krystallynn reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-25 05:36:00
Walking in the presence of giants here. Cool tihiknng all around!

Matei reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-25 03:56:17
This artcile went ahead and made my day.

Dora reply Replies: 0 || 2011-07-24 12:54:40
Furrealz? That's mravleously good to know.

Bondo reply Replies: 0 || 2011-05-20 23:09:04
At what point in "Hello Beastie" does the Balfe cue end and the Sponsler/Gire cue begin?

Iceboy reply Replies: 0 || 2011-03-13 00:00:00
Anyone got any info on the 2CD expanded score of this, without SFX? Its out there.

Ds reply Replies: 0 || 2011-03-03 00:00:00
Here's an AMAZING cover of "The kraken", by Guitarist Marco Tafelli & drummer Gavin Harrison (Porcupine Tree)

h t t p ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_D5yEcD7aQ

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2011-01-10 00:00:00
That one is tough, cause it borrows a lot from POTC 1.

It does a bit to Blake Neely as only one of his themes from the first film made it to the soundtrack (in One Last Shot).

For Klaus's themes :

"I've Got My Eyes On You" => The opening, from 0:06 to 0:18.

"Tia Dalma" => From 0:00 to 0:24 is another KB theme.

"A Family Affair" => From 1:23 to 1:48.

"Wheel Of Fortune" => One theme between 2:15 & 2:36, another one from 2:44 to 2:55.

For Blake Neely :

"Tia Dalma" => his theme is between 1:33 & 1:48, but all what's after is a rearrangement of a Blake cue from POTC 1.

"You Look Good Jack" => His themes pop up everywhere, from 0:12 to 0:40, from 1:51 to 2:12 & from 2:53 to 3:00... :D

"Hello Beastie" => His "Dead Barbossa" theme from POTC 1 comes back here from 8:07 to 8:40 !

Voilà !

Hope this helps to get it in this big mess !! :D

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