Orchestrations by Walt Fowler, Rick Giovinazzo, Ken Kugler
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Does anyone else hear "Seeing is Believing" from the Polar Express (Alan Silvestri) when you hear the first part of Davy Jones? They're really similar.
Where the source of the track Summon the kraken !! where i can find this track
Mike
2012-12-21 22:47:33
You must have found it on an extended score or something, because it isn't on the album.
Davy
2012-12-22 21:04:31
i found a track lenth 2:42 but i don't know it's a real trak or fan mixed track, can any one tell me the true lenth of this track ?
Mr. Fate
2012-12-23 00:53:18
I, too, have often wondered where this cue originated from. The oldest version of it I can find is on the set they call the "Extended Experience". It's the first part of "Kraken Attack on the Edinburgh" (I think), with the second part being a little mix made out of The Kraken Suite.
Along with a few other cues heard on the EE, I cannot find the website these came from. The only thing I have to go on is that these tracks with unknown origins may have come from an earlier version of Magic Box Music's site, which has since been updated and redone. The tracks were already around and gone before I ever even got into the soundtrack.
This track should have a run time of around 0:48-0:55. Davy/Davey: the version you must have found also likely has the Kraken Suite mix included with it.
Hybrid Soldier
2012-12-23 09:47:33
That cue came from the film's website, and in terrible quality !
Mike
2012-12-24 04:53:39
Which cue, Hybrid, the 2:42 one mentioned by Davey or the 0:50ish one mentioned by Mr. Fate?
DavJones
2012-12-24 18:47:45
Thank you, Hybrid,Mike & Mr.Fate. The track " Summon The Kraken " the first 48' second is ok, the middle cue is a fan mix edit and the last 20' seconds " when the kraken crashed the ship " it isn't from the orjinal Kraken end track album, so what about the last cue ?
Davy
2012-12-24 21:29:54
Alright, I found in the Expanded Experience; 4tracks Magic Box Music; Tom Gire & John Sponsler
-Wheel of Fortune -Jar of Dirt -Dutchman Arrival -Beckett Compass-Drunk Jack
Geoff Zanelli;
-Cannibal Island -Bone Cages -Tia Dalma
Lorne Balfe -Wheel of Fortune
Trevor Morris -The Haunted Dress to Tortuga
Davy Jones Suite 3:47 + Davy's Organ Iam not sure of the source !!
.All other tracks were sfx &Dvd rip music
like track; 'Searching for Jack 1:25'Geoff Zanelli, i don't know the source of this track, other tracks i am not sure of them..
Summon the kraken '' Wake the Kraken the first 48' seconds and the last cue 40' seconds were mixed with the kraken album suite.
Are there any individual cues on here or does this disk contain some theme suites? If so, what cues are present and which are themes?
Hybrid Soldier
2012-10-19 07:30:31
The first 3 tracks are theme suites. The rest are score cues. :)
Preacher
2012-10-20 02:08:15
How are the individual cues mixed, like, is #11 made from more than one cue or are some tracks just one cue?
Areozz
2012-10-20 02:46:47
You could just download it from literally anywhere and find out yourself, or you could have someone painstakingly pick apart the score for you. What? Are you afraid that you'll hear something you didn't ever want to hear?
Tracks 1-3 are all suites. Track 4 is two cues mixed to one track but they play consecutively anyway in the film. Track 5 is a combination of two cues (possibly out of order but still within the same part of the film). Track 6 is a mix of a couple cues that all play in the same scene anyway. Track 7 is one cue; track 8 is one cue; track 9 is one cue; track 10 is one cue. Track 11 is really long; it is at least two cues, but possibly more. They all play together as they are heard here anyway.
Does that help?
Hybrid Soldier
2012-10-20 09:13:26
Yeah,
I've Got My Eyes On You is 2 cues. Dinner Is Served is 2 cues. Tia Dalma is 2 cues. Twho Hornpipes, A Family Affair, Wheel Of Fortune & You Look Good Jack are 1 cue. Hello Beastie is 3 cues.
Has the full score been released anywhere? Because I absolutely love the variant on the Davy Jones theme, the one when we first see him playing the organ.
Does anyone know who specifically composed the unreleased cue in "Summon the Kraken"? (that 45-second bit that starts when Davy Jones has Bootstrap Bill in a choke-hold and says "you will watch this"?) I know it's from a website somewhere, but I'm just really starting to take a liking to it, and it's part of my listener's OCD to be curious as to who specifically composed it. Is it by Hans himself, or one of the Magic Box composers? Anyone have anymore insight?
Blu
2011-11-17 07:28:37
It is called "Waking the Kraken", and it is written (arranged?) by the Magic Music Box guys. Source: ASCAP.
Areozz
2011-11-17 14:54:42
Is there any chance that you or someone else could point where this cue originated from? The only existence I can find of it is on the Extended Experience which contains several other cues that have unknown origins to me. The Extended Experience had been out long before I got into this music, and it seems that some of this unknown material has since disappeared from where it originated.
"Summon the Kraken" or "Waking the Kraken" is one of these. Another one is the short cue that comes before Davy Jones plays his organ that is called "James Norrington". The other unreleased cues that were on the Extended Experience were also by Magic Box Music, and they are still available ("Beckett Compass" and "Flying Dutchman Arrival").
ynreob
2011-11-17 15:41:36
as far as I know, "Waking the Kraken" came from the official PotC-Homepage and "James Norrington" is a DVD-RIP (possibly from a DVD Menu?)
Areozz
2011-11-17 15:49:54
I have the fanciest version of the DVD release and I've not heard James Norrington anywhere on there. The DVD menu is where a 30 second sample of "Liar's Dice" came from though.
So that homepage is probably long gone by now, right? Oh, I remembered another cue with unknown origins. I don't know what it goes by but it plays when they dig up Davy Jones' chest. It follows the second usage, slightly different version, of "Waking the Kraken".
ynreob
2011-11-17 21:17:39
yeah that homepage is gone since 2007 i suppose :-)
the other cue, when they're finding the chest is quite clean on the rear chanels of the dvd (as is "James norrington" as far as i remember) and i think the expanded experience reuses the website-"waking the kraken" cue here.
Areozz
2011-11-17 23:48:18
Yes, it does, even though the orchestration is noticeably different and it has a different ending. You're right--"Waking the Kraken" does get used twice. I'm not up so much for using DVD audio if there is a better source out there. I was just curious to know if the original sources were still in existence and I could snag those cues myself.
I'm glad I was around for the times that Trevor Morris and Geoff Zanelli posted some unreleased stuff because their sites have since been revised and deleted, respectively.
Areozz & Cheesy - I'll start the topic going, as I'm pretty interested in what you 2 have to say. I saw your disussion I've at Sherlock 2.
Papapalpatine77
2011-11-16 05:15:59
*over* at Sherlock 2
Areozz
2011-11-17 00:12:41
Well, thank you. So, I don't know what cheesy was planning to complain about, but I just wanted to state a realization I had not so very long ago in terms of what we got in this OST. I've probably got way more to say than this; this is just what I am thinking at the moment.
The Jack Sparrow suite is still one of the greatest pieces I've heard since I've gotten into listening to this kind of music (slight exaggeration, but whatever). However, once upon a time, I was disappointed to see how little of it actually gets used. And I also remember when the score was new, how everyone was talking about that awesome new theme for DMC. It turns out a good part of this suite originates from one of Jack's themes from the first movie--sure it does get built on, but nonetheless there are the origins.
And now I can take it a step further: bits and pieces of that suite show up literally everywhere! Sure you have to take a look at all the unreleased music we've gotten as well as some that hasn't even surfaced, but it's all there. Originally, I'd only been listening for stuff that sounded exactly how it does in the suite, but now I see Zimmer and his crew somehow have a way to manipulate an arrangement, motif, theme, or what have you so it sounds almost unrecognizable compared to where it originated from.
Here's a brief list of key tracks that contain fragments of the Jack Sparrow suite: the second half of "Walk the Plank," and "One Last Shot," from PotC1; that Cannibal Island track with the action music from Geoff Zanelli and Wheel of Fortune from PotC2; and from the PotC4 demos: 1m02, 1m03, 1m07, and 2m14.
And there is way more--I started an in-depth analysis of one of the scores but as I've found it's a pretty huge undertaking and I'm not sure I'm ever going to have time to fully delve into the structure of this series' scores and completely understand them. Oh, and it also doesn't help much that I don't have the actual complete scores to work from--just what extra material we've gotten and then some guy's DVD rips.
01-The Bell Tolls 02-Jack Sparrow 03-Why is the Run Always Gone 04-The Black Spot 05-The Search for Jack 06-Pelegostos' Island 07-Elizabeth's Escape 08-The Bone Cages 09-Escaping Cannibal Isle 10-Tia Dalma 11-The Flying Dutchman 12-Haunted Dress 13-Tortuga - 'Two Horn Pipes' 14-The Organ of Davy Jones 15-A family Affair 16-Liar's Dice 17-Summon The Kraken 18-Davy Jones 19-Isla Cruces 20-Wheel of Fortune 21-The Kraken 22-Abandom Ship 23-Hello Beastie 24-End Credits
Agnt007dman
2011-09-15 23:23:26
Ok, again with this shit. This is an expanded score where the extra material came from the DVD. I don't understand why people do this. It's not a legit expanded score
The POTC scores were one of the few major Remote Control Productions scores I had yet to listen to until recently (and I now realize how much I've been missing out), and now let me just say in terms of this album I'm hopelessly addicted to "The Kraken"...7 minutes of raw, classic Hans Zimmer-style epicness.
zach
2011-07-19 15:36:58
is he forreal?
Phil
2011-09-12 07:28:20
@stingray
"The Kraken" is truely a masterpiece!!! Also love it!
01. Main Titles - Wedding Crashers 02. Wedding Crashers Part 2 03. For Whom the Bell Tolls - Jack & the Dead 04. Jack the Monkey 05. '...That Way, Direction..' 06. Jack In His Cabin 07. Drunk Jack - Bootstraps Tale - The Black Spot 08. Elizabeth Behind Bars - The Search for Jack 09. The Pearl on the Beach - Will Is Captured & Dinner Is Served 10. 'Save, Me' 11. Cannibal Ceremony - The Bone Cages - Escape from Cannibal Island 12. Up The River - Tia Dalma - An Undead Monkey for a Jar of Dirt 13. A Wrecked Ship 14. The Dutchman Appears - Jones and Sparrow Negotiate & Betrayal 15. Ghostly Appearence 16. Norrington Looking for Revenge - Brawl in the Pub (SFX) 17. Norrington Looking for Revenge - Brawl in the Pub (Alternate) 18. A Game of Liar's Dice - Stealing the Key and Escaping 19. The Turner's Reunite 20. The Kraken Hammer 21. The Kraken Attacks the Edinburgh Trader 22. No Survivors - Set Sail for Isla Cruces 23. Curiosity 24. The Search for Dead Man's Chest - Will Appears 25. Three-way Swordfight - Wheel of Fortune - Fight over the Chest 26. The Flying Dutchman Is Back 27. The Dutchman Chases the Pearl - The Sea Monster Returns (SFX) 28. Chained to the Pearl - 'Hello, Beastie' - 'So, Tell Me, What's Become of My Ship' 29. End Titles
Phil
2011-08-29 18:57:12
total length: 95min.
Dakota
2011-08-29 19:32:02
I among many other people have this Phil. It's loaded with SFX. The person who ripped it from the DVD did a real shitty job. This is not a legit expanded score
Phil
2011-08-29 20:07:30
ohh, pity...
but thx for the information
Dakota
2011-08-29 20:49:47
Sorry to disappoint. There is one available on a shrine in your deepest fantasies. Google is your friend. Use it.
Mr. Fate
2011-08-29 23:11:15
Ah, yes the 29-track bootleg score that's been around for ages. Whoever made it used DVD audio from one single rear channel and over-amplified it so it sounds downright awful. This one really sucks, but I suppose its one of the ones that got me started. The Extended Experience, although less complete, is far superior.
Papapalpatine77
2011-08-30 00:22:01
Mr. Fate, I would have to agree with you. If you know where to look, another 2-Disc expanded has just surfaced
Phil
2011-08-30 09:25:27
Would it also be possible if there would never release an expanded score?
Papapalpatine77
2011-08-30 09:59:28
Phil, here was one released yesterday. No that great, but legitimate enough to substitute it for the OST
Here is an expanded score of Dead Man's Chest I made, using cues from various sources.
01. Jack's Theme Bare Bones Demo (4:05) 02. Wedding Crash (1:39) 03. I've Got My Eye On You (2:25) 04. This Way Direction (1:39) 05. Left Our Marks (2:32) 06. Times Up (5:34) 07. I Have Faith In You (1:58) 08. Elizabeth's Escape (0:35) 09. The Pelegostos (2:59) 10. Bone Cages (2:16) 11. Polvolt (1:10) 12. Tia Dalma (4:16) 13. The Flying Dutchman (3:20) 14. The Haunted Dress To Tortuga (1:17) 15. Two Hornpipes (1:14) 16. Davy Jones Suite (3:45) 17. Mr. Turner (3:34) 18. Game Of Deception (0:45) 19. Summoning The Kraken (0:48) 20. The Kraken Suite (6:55) 21. Very Much Alike (1:57) 22. Fight For The Key (3:44) 23. Wheel of Fortune (6:46) 24. A Jar Of Dirt (2:19) 25. Hello Beastie (10:16) 26. What's Become Of My Ship (6:29) total time is about 84 minutes
Anonymous
2011-05-02 01:36:24
How did you do this and using what sources?
uga
2011-07-28 04:22:54
is this sfx free?
Poisonheadcrab
2011-08-16 23:36:15
@-uga
the tracks Wedding Crash, Very Much Alike, & Fight For The Key contain sfx, but very little.
Anonymous
2011-08-29 23:36:06
@-Anonymous
sources: youtube DVD Geoff Zanelli's website Magic Box Music website Trevor Morrises website
@Sylvos How can that track list be made up if it can also be found on another site. Are you the guy who made the list on that site too? Or do you have something that nobody else has?
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