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Seville, The Bait, Ambrose Welcomes Nyah, Chimera Myth, Beach Fight, Ambrose Dies.Can we stop? I agree with the other guy more in his points, but it's clear that this is gonna keep going nowhere if you're gonna be so overly defensive about something that you claim is merely subjective.But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br>======================<br><br><br>Why do Bay naysayers pretend that Bay only directs TF movies? It's very interesting...... Pretty much all complaints against Bay are connected to the TF movies.<br><br>Newsflash: Bay was a proven and very successful action filmmaker wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before TF1. <br><br>So no, "challenging the viewer" is not about Transformers. You chose to focus on these movies. Not me. I was actually reffering to Bay movies like The Island and especially Pain and Gain. <br><br>But I guess you like to talk only about Transformers.....Good for you. But that's not how a discussion works. <br><br><br>===================<br>Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact. I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here. It's psychotic.<br>===================<br><br><br>So let me get this straight: trying to be as objective as possible, in a non-threating way, quoting people who actually know what they're talking about and certainly not treating my opinion as fact, makes me......psychotic? <br><br>Wow! Just wow!<br><br>Next time, I'll just act like a complete jerk, insulting everyone and everything. For you, that is apparently the normal behavior.<br><br><br>======<br>Bad movies make money. Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.<br>=======<br><br>Reviews, RT scores, and crappy film blog "think pieces" are also not proof of quality. Also, a "bad" movie to you is the greatest movie for the guy walking next to you on the street. As Kevin Smith said: "Every movie is someone's favorite movie". <br><br>Let's try to keep that in mind.<br><br><br>============<br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br>============<br><br>Really?<br><br>Then what do you have to say about Pacific Rim 1. I present to you.......the pure numbers:<br><br>Budget: $200 million. And that doesn't include the marketing cost.<br>Worldwide gross: $411,002,906<br><br>So that flick, according to you, turned a profit.......but TLK - budget of also $200 million and with a worldwide gross of $605 million..........is a bomb?<br><br>Wow! Just.....wow!Yeah lol back then only Harold was confirmed.Can you tell me a names of cues, that was been on Klaus website?
Formality indeed. Complicated ! lol<br><br>You can bet Blake Neely didn't need anyone to "write" those 10 seconds !! lolI always found these credits to be a bit confusing. Klaus Badelt is credited on almost every cue, even when his themes don't appear and another additional composer is credited as well. I thought maybe it was just a formality that Zimmer and Badelt were credited everywhere (I mean, how much could they be involved on a cue like "Welcome to the Caribbean"?), but then "No real ship" and "Sword Fight Pt. 2" have no Badelt for some reason. Does someone know a bit more about this?well the composer confirmed he is working on it to be released very soon<br>"It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain."<br><br>I didn't think it was possible for a Bay fan of all people to be this insufferably pretentious.<br><br>I thought that was more Snyder fanboy territory.<br><br>But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br><br>Kudos, man.  Kudos.<br><br>You can hide behind however many fallacies you want.  If "Not to me" and "You do you" didn't give it away early on in this thread, I DIDN'T try to treat my opinions as fact.<br><br>But that doesn't mean I'm going to add a little "IMO" at the end of every goddamn sentence just to coddle you. <br><br>On the flip-side, consistently making appeals to authority and popularity, "B-b-but Spielberg said!", "B-b-but the Forbes poll said!" don't make you objective.<br><br>Y'know, it's funny.  When I listed off better blockbuster examples, you could've very easily just argued against them on the level of the films themselves, and everything would've been fine.<br><br>Sure, you would've just claimed you can't see the action at night sooner, which is rich when you praise the film series that puts the subjects of its action scenes OUT OF FOCUS every other shot, but hey, that's just honest opinions versus honest opinions.<br><br>But using two belated half-assed sequels from different, less talented directors that lost most of the appeal of the first movies, as some sorta litmus test for how well-liked the first movies were, is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard.  That's not objectivity, that's not even confusing correlation with causation, that's saying 1+2=4.<br><br>That's the real joke here.  Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact.  I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here.  It's psychotic.<br><br>Bad movies make money.  Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.  But if that's the kinda road you wanna go down, I guess movies like Avatar, The Force Awakens, or all the Avengers movies, are "objectively" better movies in every conceivable way than anything Bay has made in his entire career.  I mean, CLEARLY those films must have a bolder style and push more boundaries.<br><br>Why else would more people watch and rewatch them, right?<br><br>Reasonable causation is for those goshdarn geek journos.<br><br>And by the way, The Last Knight lost money.  Period.  Almost 100M according to Paramount themselves.<br><br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br><br>Have a nice day.Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br>==================<br><br>Kinda ironic, coming from you....but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you! <br><br>And yes, he sides with me because what I say is common sense. For whatever reason, you have these strong negative feelings toward Bay films and those feelings blind you to some pretty obvious truths. <br><br>Have to say tho - for a 'hater' you sure know A LOT about him, his style and his movies. <br><br>Just admit it - you are a huge Bay fan but you just want to score some points with the snobbish internet crowd. <br><br><br><br>============<br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br>============<br><br>Oh, you're one of THOSE people......"Fury Roaaaaaaaaad is DA BEST FILM EVAAAAAAAA".<br><br>Let me guess: you also think that Nolan is the greatest director/person of all time. On par with Jesus himself. <br><br><br><br>==========<br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br>==========<br><br>Which is what Transformers 1 is. <br><br>Which is why the movie connected with audiences. It was - at its heart - a story about a boy and his car. Even the most jaded critics enjoyed that aspect.<br><br><br>=============<br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br>=============<br><br>Excuse? For what?<br><br>My friend, you do realize that Bay in particular is one of the most powerful and successful filmmakers of all time, right? He is the second highest-grossing director of all time (domestically), only behind Spielberg. You can dismiss box office success all you want but you don't get to where Bay is if you're not good at your job. <br><br>Snyder is nowhere near Bay, in terms of success and influence. Personally, I don't care much about him. <br><br><br>P.S. Guy Ritchie (and Edgar Wright) are huge Bay fans. Ask yourself why. <br><br><br>===============<br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole<br>===============<br><br>Your opinion.<br><br>I disagree.
Bay walks the lines between being self-serious and comical, but his films aren't well=written enough to serve the former, or witty enough to serve the latter, and the end-result is droll and annoying.<br>====================<br><br>You sure you're not a "writer" for one of those ridiculous geek sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Slash Film? Because you sound a lot like one of those "beloved" writers. <br><br>Anyway......Yes, Bay's movies always walk that line but whether that works or not is........Yes! a matter of opinion. For me, Pain and Gain is one of the best modern satires while for you it is - I'm guessing - "droll and annoying".<br><br>It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain. <br><br>Some of you folks are indeed very hard to please. <br><br><br>===============<br>The first POTC earns it. The Bad Boys 2 doesn't. Infinity War earns it. TF 1/2/3/4/5 doesn't.<br>==============<br><br>Okay, now that statement is the best joke of the year! Thank you for the good laugh! Really! Oh, and I've definitely argued with you before, my friend. You are clearly one of those ten Bay haters from the IMDb forums who claim to hate everything the man does, yet they have seen EVERYTHING he had done. Why is that, I wonder?<br><br><br>===========<br>Fitting, as Synder and Bay are cut from a very similar cloth. Difference is, unless we're talking Man of Steel, I'd sooner rely on Snyder for consistently good action sequences<br>===========<br><br>Well, I would trust Spielberg on this. Because it was Spielberg who said, and I quote: "Michael (Bay) is one of the greatest action directors. He has the best eye in Hollywood." Spielberg works with a lot of directors. But he never said anything like that about any other director. So clearly he means what he says about Bay. And....you know......unlike most people, Speilberg actually knows a thing or two about filmmaking. <br><br><br>================<br>300 didn't try to start a franchise. It was a one-off adaptation of a graphic novel in the same vein as Sin City, and was successful. They tried to make a cash-grab sequel almost a decade later, without Snyder, and it failed. That's hardly the first film's fault.<br>================<br><br>It is a clear proof that people weren't that excited to visit this world again. And mind you, that happened with the first sequel! Talk about a one-time thing, huh?<br><br>At the same time, Bay made FOUR Transformers movies - with different casts - before there were any signs of audience fatigue. <br><br>That speaks for itself.<br><br>===========<br>Pacific Rim suffered from lackluster marketing, and yet still managed to turn a profit and attract a strong following.<br>==========<br><br>Excuses, excuses, excuses.....So you can display all the excuses in the world for Pac Rim but when it comes to Transformers, you don't accept anything. <br><br>Double standard much?<br><br>P.S. That "strong following" is on the internet. The same following that was supposed to make Scott Pillgrim a huge hit. Everyone knows that internet hype is not real-world hype. I know very well the type of people who act as if Pac Rim is the best thing since sliced bread. Total geeks who are angry that Transformers is much more popular and much more successful than Del Toro's "let's shoot all the robot fights in pitch black so audiences can't see shit" movie.  <br><br>Also, let's not pretend that Pac Rim is a universally beloved film. You know very well that there are A LOT of detractors as well. That's what you get when people can't tell what's going on during the movie because you shot it all at night. Just like that Godzilla movie. <br><br><br>============<br>Versus something like Transformers, which has piggybacked on an established IP, relentless marketing campaigns and tie-ins, and a fairly consistent release schedule. And even then, recycling the same bullshit eventually took its toll.<br>============<br><br><br>Wrong.<br><br>Do you read Forbes? You should. Because it's a place where objective people write. It ain't a stupid militant film geek site like Ain't it Cool News or Screen Rant.<br><br>Forbes published multiple articles explaining in great detail why the Transformers movies were successful EXACTLY because they were directed by Bay. Whether you like it or not, my friend, Bay is a brand. He is an auteur. There were multiple polls before the first two Transformers movies and Bay being the director was one of the main reasons for people to watch the movies. <br><br>But I guess you missed all of that, huh?<br><br>How convenient.<br><br><br>==============<br>Friendly reminder that AoE also relied on China (more pathetically then even Pacific Rim did) to compensate for diminishing domestic returns. To say nothing of TLK outright bombing.<br>==============<br><br>First: according to ACTUAL real data, the only TF movie that was saved by China is.......Bumblebee! Yeah, you better believe it. Go to Deadline and Forbes and read it for yourself.<br><br>Second: TLK bombed domestically, yes. <br>But not internationally. No one with actual knowledge of the situation refers to that movie as an international "bomb". Besides, there were 4 super successful TF movies before TLK. So Bay got nothing to prove. He already created one of the biggfest film franchises in history. <br><br>How many directors can say that?<br><br><br><br>==================<br>I know you like debunking Bay naysayers with "facts and logic," but it helps to not be grossly disingenuous while doing it<br>==================<br><br><br>Goes both ways, my friend. But unlike most naysayers, I don't treat my own personal opinions as facts. And if I'm being "disingenuous" then I don't even know what to say about some Bay haters who refuse to accept even the most obvious facts and truths.nopeYou realize there is a very easy and free method to get the music from that site, dont you?Random thought but this got me thinking about Zanelli's history with fantasy.<br><br>Whatever happened to his score for Delgo?  I know it's been accused of being super derivative of his other works anyways but still, it's weird to see a RCP score just drop off the face of the Earth like that.There's just something really charming about seeing a prototype for a famous future theme showing up in an old score.<br><br>Or in PotC's case, SCORES.
The only ones I've seen properly confirmed are the cues Badelt had listed on his website. The issue with everything else is that there's certain themes that's been associated with certain people, but aren't credited for every appearance. Not to mention that I've never really seen much official credits elsewhere, so I take any that I've seen with a grain of salt.This comment was made before that was properly confirmed, so he was likely going to do it solo at the time.I thought Hans was collaborating with Faltermayer For Top Gun 2From both ASCAP and GEMACan these be accessed anywhere?
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Toys single - The Closing Of The Year
Label: Geffen Records
Length: 11'53
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Julie Bliss-Tyau reply Replies: 1 || 2007-07-18 00:00:00
I love this song and wish it was available in Sheet Music for Choir with instruments and/or piano. Any plans on publishing this in sheet music form? I've looked and haven't been able to find it.


Patrick2018-12-07 08:36:10
Iím still looking for piano sheet music for this. Anybody have a suggestion?

Treguard reply Replies: 1 || 2009-04-11 00:00:00
Just posted on the Hans Zimmer forum, where you've put the choir part as:-

"Up on the knees of a soldier
made of parts of wood, with wind in your hair"

It's definitely

"Up on the knees of a sergeant-major
Ride through the woods with the wind in your hair"

the lipsyncing wasn't matched very well on the youtube video but if you slow down the song/listen a few times to that specific part then the above is correct :)


Parradoxx2015-05-09 09:45:50
Late comer to the chat, but I believe it's actually
"Hop on the knees of the sergeant, make him
Ride to the wood with the wind in your hair"

I may be wrong. Hear what makes you happy, for it is undeniably brilliant!

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2013-10-03 14:25:49
Anyone hear the Davy Jones theme in parts of this score?

takehiro reply Replies: 2 || 2011-01-16 00:00:00
Anyone interested in a longer expanded score? One may exist that I know of.


bgcat572013-06-18 21:37:08
I would love this. I would like to set up a performance for choir and synths (hopefully adding handbells, harp and percussion.)


Warren G2013-10-03 02:26:58
Yes! Yes! Yes! Did I mention YES?

Garry Sclater reply Replies: 1 || 2009-02-08 00:00:00
I cannot get the Robin williams Toys Sountrack any where. It has been deleted in almost every chain of stores I know of and I do not want to by a used of cheap copy online. do you have any suggestions


Tony Bihn2012-11-18 16:14:34
I purchased mine through amazon.com and it was a brand new one if I clicked under used copies but again mine was shipped from the warehouse still sealed!! :)

rocky reply Replies: 0 || 2011-03-29 00:00:00
it sounds like Seal singing on part of the tune. is it?

Treguard reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-25 00:00:00
Weird. Had another listen to thisand it sounds more like "Ride through the woods....." and not "Riding" if you pitch it down in some audio software.

Pridelander@HZforum/Miya reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-12 00:00:00
Thanks Jerusha & Treguard for your feedbacks on lyrics! I'll listen again to this amazing song later :)

Treguard reply Replies: 0 || 2009-04-11 00:00:00
btw forgot to add, the one with parts of wood only has 18 notes whereas there are 20 in the song. Sorry re below, that's with regards to the version in the end credits. The next line is correct and number of notes/syllables matches up. :)

xactitude reply Replies: 0 || 2009-01-02 00:00:00
brilliant music for a brilliant film. soundtracks like this don't have an expiration date. They're in my mp3 player year round. the music evokes great sentimentality, as well as the voices. I'm really curious who wrote the lyrics. was it inspired by levinson?

Joe Strike reply Replies: 0 || 2008-12-31 00:00:00
'Toys' is one of my all-time favorite soundtracks, and for obvious reasons it spends a lot of time in my CD player around this time of year.

I have no idea why, but the version of 'Closing of the Year' at the end of the album always brings tears to my eyes, especially Seal's solo - the way his voice soars and the arrangement backs him up. For the longest time though I've wondered about his lyrics - I'm only able to make out a few words here & there - and none of the other lyrics sites includes his verse.

Thank you for including them (or at least your best guess) here; they're every bit as beautiful as the rest of the song... and best wishes and love to all of us at the closing of this year.

Jerusha reply Replies: 0 || 2008-12-08 00:00:00
An update on lyrics...
So I rented the movie "Toys" and watched it with subtitles. This is what the subtitles say. The only part not subtitled, of course, was the kids' chorus; also I starred the couple parts where the subtitles didn't seem to match what I was hearing - no "s" on misfortune, and no use of the word "so" at all in the second verse. Here's a direct copy of the subtitles:

If I cannot bring you comfort,
then at least I bring you hope
For nothing is more precious than the time we have, and so
We all must learn from small misfortunes*
Count the blessings that are real
Let the bells ring out for Christmas
At the closing of the year

Now all the winter bells are ringing
Hear them echo through the snow
And the children's voices singing
On the streets so far below
So* this is a time to be together
And the truth is somewhere here
We give our love for people
At the closing of the year

We'll walk in a sun
With all of the faith
And all of the patience
All of the way
With all of us right, and all of us saying
No one an island
We'll fly in the arms of time
Walk in the waves, never fall, don't fall
At the closing of the year

Although the subtitles skipped this, between the soundtrack and video for the movie, it seems like the kids are singing this:
Up on the knees of a soldier made of parts of wood with the wind in your hair,
Silver bells on a stolen reindeer as we race to the castle over there

Next, I checked out Youtube's posted videos of Sarah Brightman/Placido Domingo singing this, as well as someone's street recording of the Disneyland Carolers, both live.
Most of the lyrics match up, except for these:

In both cases, it sounds as though the kids' chorus part is singing this:
Up on the knees of a sergeant major, ride through the woods with the wind in your hair,
Sleigh bells ring on a stolen reindeer as we race to the castle over there

The carolers don't do Seal's solo, but Placido Domingo does and it sounds like this:
We will walk in the sand
With all of the pain
And all of the patience
All of the way
With all of us right
And all of us saying
No one an island (poor guy mispronounces it iss-land)
We'll fly in the arms of time
Walking the way's never far, not far (at least, I hear a clear "r" pronounced in there.)

Best of luck picking which to sing along with! :)

Jerusha reply Replies: 0 || 2008-12-02 00:00:00
It's great to finally know what the kids are singing right after the intro! Thanks so much for the lyrics. It helped clarify a few points on Seal's solo, too; although I think he says something slightly different (and it makes more sense to me this way) right at the end:
instead of "Walk in the waves, never fall, don't fall"
it sounds to me like he's singing "Walking, the way's never far, not far"
Anyway, thanks for all the good lyrics.

Pridelander reply Replies: 0 || 2008-02-16 00:00:00
Currently it's difficult to buy this single, but ZTT Records' MySpace has full song of "Closing Of The Year."
http://www.myspace.com/zttrecords

And here's the lyrics. It was mostly completed thanks to the forum members :)
http://www.hans-zimmer.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=5296

----
THE CLOSING OF THE YEAR
(Written by Trevor Horn and Hans Zimmer)

If I cannot bring you comfort
then at least I bring you hope
For nothing is more precious
than the time we have and so

We all must learn from small misfortunes
count the blessings that are real
Let the bells ring out for Christmas
at the closing of the year
Let the bells ring out for Christmas
at the closing of the year

(Children chorus)
Up on the knees of a soldier
made of parts of wood, with wind in your hair
Silver bells on a stolen reindeer
as we race to the castle over there

If I cannot bring you comfort
then at least I bring you hope

Now all the winter bells are ringing
hear them echo through the snow
And the children's voices singing
on the streets so far below

This is a time to be together
and the truth is somewhere here
Within our love for people
at the closing of the year

(Seal's solo)
We'll walk innocent
with all of the pain
and all of the patience
and all of the way
and all of us right
and all of us say
Love one another
We'll fly in the arms of time
walk in the waves, never fall
Don't fall
(at the closing of the year)
at the closing of the year

If I cannot bring you comfort
then at least I bring you hope

Then at least I bring you hope

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2008-01-04 00:00:00
Why is it so difficult to find a site where I cn simply hear an excerpt from "The Closing of the Year" from Toys and then BUY IT! Geesh!

I'll never be back to THIS site again!

Locklin S.R. reply Replies: 0 || 2007-10-08 00:00:00
After i heard you fromthe soundack 'Waking Ned Devine' i had to find out more about Zimmer. when I listened to 'The Closing Of The Year' I couldnt stop listening to it. It became my girlfriends favorite pieces of music. If at all possible, the next time you get to do a serious movie with a god moral lesson to learnm from maybe you can do something theat closely relates to that song, or redo the song. What ever you do ,don't stop making music. It is what moves the world.

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