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I watched the movie and tried to put the cuesheet that Hybrid posted into chronological order... This is what I was able to gather from watching the movie:<br><br>1. Opening Pt. 1 - HZ<br>2. Opening Pt. 2 - HZ, SM<br>3. The Beach Pt. 1 - HZ<br>4. The Beach Pt. 2 - HZ, AK<br>5. The Air - HZ<br>6. Stretcher Carry - HZ, AK<br>7. Approaching Trawler - HZ<br> 8. Bandit 11 O’Clock / Off You Go - HZ<br>9. One Bandit Down - HZ<br>10. Meeting Rear Admiral - HZ<br> 11. Shivering Soldier - HZ<br> 12. Fortis Leader Down - HZ<br> 13. Stuka Bombing Medical Ship - HZ, Andy Page<br> 14. U-Boat - HZ<br> 15. Boarding Destroyer/Below Deck - HZ, Andy Page<br> 16. I’m Not Going Back to Dunkirk - HZ<br> 17. Heinkel 11 O’Clock - HZ, Satnam Ramgotra <br> 18. Torpedo - HZ, Satnam Ramgotra <br> 19. Soldier Locked Below Deck - HZ<br> 20. Collins Water Landing - HZ<br> 21. Torpedo Aftermath - HZ<br> 22. Wait for Another Lifeboat - HZ<br> 23. Turn it Around! - HZ<br> 24. George Falls - HZ<br> 25. Farrier Attacks Heinkel - HZ, LB<br> 26. The Bodies Come Back - HZ<br> 27. I Can’t See - HZ, Alex Gibson <br> 28. Farrier Turns Back - HZ<br> 29. Activate Small Vessels Pool - HZ<br> 30. Waiting for the Tide - HZ<br> 31. Should We Turn Back - HZ<br> 32. Smoke From the Spitfire - HZ<br> 33. Dutch Sailor Comes Back - HZ<br> 34. Collins Crash Landing - HZ<br> 35. There Was No Chute - HZ<br> 36. Target Practice - HZ<br> 37. Collins Struggles / Ditch Ballast - HZ<br> 38. Sauerkraut Sauce - HZ<br> 39. Collins Underwater HZ<br> 40. Minesweeper Bombed / Trawler Floats - HZ, AK<br> 41. Plug the Hole - HZ<br> 42. Nimrod - HZ, BW<br> 43. Covered in Oil / Abandon Ship - HZ, AK<br> 44. Where Are You From - HZ<br> 45. 109 Approaching - HZ<br> 46. Engineless Flight - HZ, BW<br> 47. Rail Yard - HZ<br> 48. Variation 15 - HZ, BW<br> 49. End Credits / 5MEC1 - HZ, BW, LB<br> 50. End Credits Long Note Harmonics v.12.7 - HZ<br> 51. End Credits Air - HZ v.31.07<br> 52. End Credits Tommy v8.00<br><br>I'm missing the following in this list: Attack Aftermath / Navy Requisition, Decent Altitude, Destroyer By, Farrier Chasing 109, Farrier Chased by 109, and Little Boats. Anyone know where those go?<br>@Knight<br>Yeah I really can’t argue there. As much as I love Mortal Engines even I have to admit that recording was kind of awful, particularly with the studio noise filtering through.Ditto on the recordings, Mortal Engines was awful in this regard with the harsh mix and on top of that, an unforgiveable amount of session noise/chatter.I’ve been giving this score a few more shakes lately, if only to see if my initial opinion had changed. The biggest issue for me is the lack of a strong set of themes. Alita’s Theme, for example, works well enough in context but hasn’t really left any impression on me. Mortal Engines has about 7 primary themes, all of which are really strong. <br><br>Where I will praise Tom the most is the recording. Everything sounds crisp and clear, as opposed to his usual overmixed style. Here’s hoping that he sticks with this type of recording from now on. <br>And one other plus, the woodwinds! It’s so refreshing to hear the woodwinds play a prominent role here, especially in the almost classical way they are utilized.It seems the Japanese exclusive tracks are available on deezer, but not on any other platform. And weirdly enough, I couldn't find any download link anywhere.
Lieber Herr Zimmer,<br><br>würde über Ihre kurze Meldung über mein Stück freuen.<br><br>Liebe Grüße<br>Irakli Shermazanashvili<br><br>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-FWQaMm4p8"BBC Studios has announced that Hans Zimmer, Jacob Shea and Jasha Klebe will compose the theme and score for the upcoming BBC Earth natural history series One Planet, Seven Worlds. The show is presented and executive produced by Sir David Attenborough and will reveal how each distinct continent has shaped the unique animal life found there. Each of the series’ seven episodes will transport viewers to a single continent and tell the story of its spectacular wildlife and iconic landscapes. Zimmer, Shea and Klebe have previously composed music for BBC’s Planet Earth II and Blue Planet II (for Bleeding Fingers Music). One Planet, Seven Worlds will premiere later this year on BBC One in the UK and on BBC America in the U.S."<br><br>From filmmusicreporter.com<br><br>I wonder if its like no way its ever going to be released or there is a small chance we will see it one day.<br><br>Can anyone recall any scores for directors cut being released?Hello!<br>Have you any Informations for a Relaease to "PAGAN PEAK"? German TV Series "Der Pass" from Jacob Shea, Produced by Hans Zimmer?also was really good fantastic score IMHO his best since Mad Max.
Just saw the film Music was hitting on point in all the right spots.Don't know where else to put this... How much music did Hans + co. write for The Last Face? I know the movie flopped so it will probably never get released, but the 15 or so minutes that I've heard between YouTube and Andrew K's soundcloud is really pretty good. It's like Interstellar + The Lion King + Woman in Gold.Dear Hans Zimmer.<br><br>I have no idea if you ever read this, but i just want to thank you for all the amazing music you have create through the years.<br>You are truly a gifted man.<br>I hope you along your life had time to teach young talents so they will be able to create such amazing music as you in the future.<br>I dont know you, but i think you have a love for music and to experiment with music and be the best you can be.<br>I enjoy your music for movies and impressed how you created the music for "interstellar" with old fashion church ovel/pipes. I think this show you are great and special when you think out of the box and play and experiement with music due to creative talent.<br>( ps.. i cant even play an instrument my self, but i love your music ).<br><br>I wish you the very best, and peace and quiet during old age and hope you will continue to create music as long as you live. Please teach other talented young people to step in your place.<br><br>Thank you for everyting amazing work.<br><br>A fan  ;-)7m4!!! The BEST cue from Hans since years!!!Whoa, that's right, I forgot a Gladiator sequel was being made. But I feel like something would have to shake Heaven and Earth before Hans worked on a Ridley Scott movie again. But then, Powell reunited with Greengrass for Jason Bourne (however uninspired that score was). So I guess anything's possible.
I got them from a japanse store after an hour going through hoops VPN paypal and google translate.<br><br>Very strange cause this are one of the best tracks of the entire score<br><br>Very weird the score or the movie havent attracted much attention at all.Hope Zimmer comes back to do Gladiator 2.Currently the only way I know to get it from is Japanese iTunes.well aren’t u special. it’s gonna leak so on account of so many ppl having it. myself included.Where can I listen to I see church?<br><br>I cannot find it anywhere and even YouTube doesn't have it.<br>
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Hans ZimmerJames Newton HowardRamin DjawadiMel Wesson
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Batman Begins
Label: Warner Bros. Records
Length: 60'26
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  1. Vespertillio (2:52)
  2. Eptesicus (4:20)
  3. Myotis (5:46)
  4. Barbastella (4:45)
  5. Artibeus (4:19)
  6. Tadarida (5:05)
  7. Marcrotus (7:35)
  8. Antrozous (3:59)
  9. Nycteris (4:25)
  10. Molossus (4:49)
  11. Corynorhinus (5:04)
  12. Lasiurus (7:27)
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Mike reply Replies: 3 || 2019-02-08 19:55:48
Some of you guys made find this interesting.... It's a comment Hans made on the VI Control Forum (hope he doesn't mind me posting it) and he goes into the much-talked about situation where he wrote the big theme for Begins that ended up unused. Talking about the last two minutes of the Batman Begins end credits, he says this:

"Yes, that's sort of half of that tune. It prattels on for a while longer in the original, which we recorded, but I never mixed...But tell me honestly - all those diminished chords just aren't in this character of 'Batman', in Christian's take on it. Too gothic, when we ended up with something much more honest, intelligent and less of all that false 19th century Sturm und Drang. Chris was fighting for the tune for a while, but I think our conversations about how inappropriate it was helped define the arch of the character through the three movies.

It's a simple story: Child sees his parents murdered, takes on the burden of blame which feezes his development into a man (hence the not-so-subtle "frozen' choirboy note...) and thinks he needs to use violence to fight violence. I think that is the flaw of the tune. It is a grandious childishly empty gesture. Without it, we managed to have a story in the third movie which really says "grow up (well, Alfred says it. He is the true hero for me...), use your intelligence, creativity and wealth to solve the worlds problems, not your childish rage." But I still use the quater-note chords, of course. Good action stuff :)

But there is a 'long' tune for the character through all three movies. It makes its first appearance in the 'Icefight' with Liam Neeson, and ends at Bruce' funeral."

So there you go. In Zimmer's mind, the Batman Theme suite from Begins doesn't hit the right note for the character, and the "Training" theme ended up becoming the "long" theme for the trilogy. I guess this puts to bed once and for all the rumors about some big theme we haven't heard yet from Begins.


SD2019-02-08 20:22:57
That's cool.


Mephariel2019-02-08 23:10:20
Zimmer talked about the "long" theme in his MasterClass. He actually composed it because there was the risk that the studio wouldn't accept a 2 note theme. Nolan really liked it and asked if he could used it in some scenes but it was never used. He also said he prefers the theme to be truncated because Batman can never be a full hero.


Mike2019-02-08 23:51:50
I think he mentioned that in another interview as well. Actually, technically the theme does get used in each movie on piano (Barbastella, A Watchful Guardian, & Nothing Out There if we're going by album tracks). The tune is there. But it's not given the "gothic" or "grandiose" treatment of the initial suite. They did hold on to the idea, though.

Bad Boy Hans reply Replies: 0 || 2018-02-27 14:38:52
I am the biggest fan of Hans. I have all of his releases up to 2010 and some of the stuff since then. Back in 1990 I watched Bird on a Wire and got him mixed up with Jack Nietzche. Soon after that, Backdraft told me what a talent this guy is.

To me, Hans embodied the power of spring. The awesome minor key melodies from Rain Man to Crimson Tide, from Gladiator to Inception. Now, he is a sound designer. Let's all urge our favourite German not to be so silly and go back to composing music.

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 1 || 2017-04-09 00:14:23
The last two minutes of Molossus/Batmobile Chase sound really quite awesome when slowed to 75%.


Mike (OTM)2017-04-09 00:31:09
While I'm here, "Brothers in Arms" (Mad Max) and "Fight Night" (Batman v. Superman) sound cool sped up by 25%. :)

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 27 || 2014-01-15 21:52:24
Batman Begins was a very collaborative work, that's why it's very hard to say who did what... They were 5, Hans, James, Ramin, Mel & Lorne working together in London for almost 3 months, discussing, sharing ideas & everything and co-writing/arranging the whole score. Apart from Backup being arranged by Lorne, I know that the Batmobile Chase was also a Lorne one. Everyone is wondering if Hans or James actually did Training, but it was Ramin... I was also told Ramin had a big role in "Lasiurus"... And JNH had much more influence on the thing than people usually think of it...

On TDK, it was not the same. The score was done in LA, and James worked from his studio, and Hans from his own. So more a split work with a few meetings, and a very big team, while Begins was a very short team for all the aspects of the score production.

Anyway, if the suites written by Hans for TDK & TDKR are fantastic, the "scores in film" in those are nowhere near the amazing Batman Begins...


Edmund Meinerts2014-01-15 23:00:54
I'm wondering why you posted it here, and not on the complete score. :p

But some interesting stuff. I'd never have guessed that Ramin helped out on the "Training" cue, that's one of my favorites (the way it previews the theme from "Like a Dog Chasing Cars" is amazing). Lorne working on the "Batmobile Chase" is I guess a little less surprising, but that's another favorite of mine. It always makes me a little sad to think that Hans wasn't personally responsible for those highlights, but given how he operates I'm not surprised anymore. :p

As for telling Hans and JNH apart, I've gone through and tried to do it by ear, but as you say, they're pretty seamlessly mixed. There are some parts that are obviously Hans('n'co) and some parts that are obviously James, but many bits really seem like a cross between the two, which is something unique to this score that I appreciate.

Were there ever suites for Batman Begins, by the way? The only two I can think of are Lasiurus (also cowritten by Ramin, you say?), and that Batman Theme cue. Since TDK and TDKR were so suite-based, it would be interesting if this one wasn't.


Hybrid Soldier2014-01-15 23:19:19
Well never sure but I don't think there's more... :)


Mike2014-01-16 02:03:32
I thought Zimmer said in an interview that he was responsible for the "car chase"...


Mike2014-01-16 02:06:40
And since "Training" basically contains Hans' New Batman Theme from TDK, does that mean Ramin is partially responsible for that theme? Or did he just arrange it from pre-existing material?


Anonymous2014-01-16 02:27:48
Are you saying Lorne was INVOLVED with Batmobile Chase (i.e., he and Hans actively co-wrote the cue, so Hans was indeed involved with the actual writing to that scene) or that Lorne arranged it on his own, using Hans' material/directions? Because it just has that pure Zimmer sound, a sound which only Hans himself can deliver if you know what I mean. Often it seems like the stuff not done directly by Hans lacks a certain "umph", but Batmobile Chase has it. Huh. Very interesting. I agree, both Hybrid and Edmund, that a) however much the suites from the next two movies might be good, the score within the picture is most impressive here and b) that it's a little saddening to know Hans wasn't entirely responsible for these standout cues.


Mike2014-01-16 02:56:20
It is kind of ironic that two of my favorite cues from Begins, Training and Batmobile Chase, were to some unknown degree "ghost-written". I'm not disappointed, per se, because the music is still as awesome as it's ever been, but knowing that those cues aren't just the creative genius of Hans Zimmer is a little bit of a letdown. But yeah, as Edmund said, I'm not surprised, knowing how Zimmer works.

This may be a dumb question, but if there were no suites (for things like Backup), where did the material come from for Lorne to arrange it? Did Hans write a demo version for the scene which Lorne amended as necessary? I know Zimmer reused/revamped Backup in one of the TDKR suites, so I guess it was originally written by him somewhere. But you can never tell, can you? :P


MacArthur2014-01-16 05:42:22
The Whole Batmoblie chase is a Lorne Alone cue. (or did he just Arrange it.)

In other words Molossus. Is that A lorne cue?


MacArthur2014-01-16 05:50:01
It might be safe to say Zimmer Did most of it. as the unknown guy said that umph that only Zimmer brings. now not saying Lorne didn't have a hand but it's probably safe to say Zimmer did most.


Edmund Meinerts2014-01-16 11:16:05
I think it's safe to say that MacArthur has absolutely no clue what he's talking about and everything that comes out of his mouth is pure and wild speculation.


Lol2014-01-16 14:38:50
In the complete score there's a track named "Batman Theme" which is the basic mock up of what Molossus would become. I'm confident that piece was originally by Zimmer. What they did with it by turning it into a batmobile chase and then using the sounds they made for that later to finish the molossus track seems to be what happened. So yeah, Lorn didn't compose the music, but he re imagined it and scored it to picture


Mike2014-01-16 14:45:42
We really have no idea how much Lorne did on that cue, MacArthur. Some of it came from the so-called "Batman Theme" by Zimmer and JNH, some of it is original material, and some of it borrows material from earlier action cues in the film, like Temple Fight (Myotis on the album). So it's definitely just "arrangements" at some points but may very well be originally Lorne Balfe in others.

If I had to guess, judging from 1) Hybrid's first comment and 2) the words of Hans in an interview from 2006 (and keep in mind this is pure speculation), I would guess that, unlike most of the cues from Zimmer that involve a ghostwriter, this one (Batmobile Chase/Molossus) was indeed actively co-written by Hans and Lorne together, hence that "Pure Zimmer Umph" that one comment mentioned. I feel like this is the case from Hybrid's comment: "They were 5, Hans, James, Ramin, Mel, & Lorne...discussing, sharing ideas and everything *and co-writing the whole score*". That really makes it sound like even in the "ghostwritten" cues, Zimmer had an active role in writing them, more than he usually does.

Reason 2 I would guess it was actively co-written by Hans and Lorne (not just arranged by Lorne with Hans giving the basic idea) is that Hans said in a 2006 interview, "On Batman Begins...I knew we were going to have a car chase, but I knew it wasn't going to be the stereotypical car chase, absolutely no way. But Chris [Nolan] hadn't really attacked that scene yet, and hadn't really figured it out. So *I wrote the car chase music* as a kind of Lego set, since I knew he was going to move the picture around like crazy...So it just became this Lego set, and as Chris was moving chunks of car chase around, it was very easy to adjust".

My thinking is that maybe Hans wrote the initial cue and is indeed responsible for the basic cue, then Lorne did the "adjusting" Hans mentioned. But I'd be happy if Hybrid wanted to share greater knowledge about this.


Edmund Meinerts2014-01-16 15:14:07
See, at least when Mike speculates, he does it by backing it up with reasoning and good arguments, and he admits that's he's speculating. Which is why I'm inclined to believe what he says, and inclined to ridicule what MacArthur says.


MacArthur2014-01-16 16:13:44
Thank you mike for answering my question.


Mike2014-01-16 17:02:33
No problem.


Hybrid Soldier2014-01-16 17:21:11
What to say, I don't know. Lorne was more of an arranger back in those days...


But I know he spent weeks on that particular cue... So yeah I guess it's the Batman Theme suite tracked in, arranged, with HZ at the end, and lots of programming & arranging and some writing by Lorne (& Mel for the ambient / samples). As I say it was very collaborative... Remember the Batmobile Chase has themes by JNH too lol...


Anonymous2014-01-16 22:10:06
"...with HZ at the end."

you mean "with hans doing the final part of the cue"?


Hybrid Soldier2014-01-16 22:32:54
Yeah I meant the Black Rain rip off...


Mike2014-01-16 22:54:58
Actually now that I think of it, that was another reason I figured Hans was actively involved with it, because of the carbon copy of the Black Rain cue. lol.


Anonymous2014-02-07 03:28:54
if lorne did the batmobile chase cue do you know if he also did the action cues heard in antrozus? cause it reprises a lot of the chase cues. and if the part beginning at 1:59 in antrozus (also in the chase cue) is originally by lorne and not hans, that would explain why lorne is credited with additional MUSIC and not just arrangements in the next two movies. :) but if the cues in antrozus (also in molossus :P) are orginally by hans, then the chase cue was just an arrangement of pre-existing material.


Jor_El_Hans_is_the_fucking_master2014-02-11 11:12:37
Lorne just told me that he didn't compose "molossus".


Hybrid Soldier2014-02-11 11:44:17
I've known Lorne for 5 years, if there's one guy you must NOT listen to get any info on HZ, it's him. He'll never say a WORD...


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-15 23:35:50
BTW to get back on that old subject, I should share Lorne's story he told about Hans for the HZ Live on Tour booklet :

Lorne Balfe : "Batman Begins was the first film I worked on with Hans. I had managed to get the man flu half way through the project and James (Newton Howard) and Hans did not want me anywhere near them! I got back to my hotel to find a doctor waiting in my room. Hans had kindly organized his visit. An hour later I was told I had a temperature of 103 Fahrenheit and I must stay in bed. The phone immediately went. It was Hans's assistant Abhay. "Hans wants to know how you are?" I was very touched by his concern and repeated what the doctor had advised. Then I heard a deep German voice screaming in the background, "Ask how long does he intend to be ill for, the bat mobile chase STILL isn't finished." I left my hotel room 50 seconds later..."

:P


Anon-e-moose2016-07-16 00:19:02
so i guess the thing i need to get straight is this... how much does a guy like hans zimmer *need* help and how much does he just like it for the sake of a collaborative experience on the project? you say he doesn't right as fast as lorne balfe does, okay, but the man has been working on movies for 30 years and has gotten stuff done before lorne and others came around. and not only that, in batman begins' case he had james newton howard and ramin djawadi to work with, and it seems like between the three of them, the cue could get done with or without lorne.

i'm not saying this to criticize balfe or zimmer, but i'd be surprised if zimmer really *needed* balfe's contributions in order to finish his projects. does that make sense?


vced2016-07-16 18:28:53
The answer is both. Why would you collaborate with someone unless you enjoy it? Why would you work with them if you didn't feel they could add something. It's a stupid question.

Open up other composers pages on here and the additionals do a few cues. Open up some of Hans, and Lorne has written 80% of the music for him. No wonder he doesn't answer questions on it! LOL

He's never going to say in an interview "yes Hans wrote 2 minutes of basic sketches and I wrote most of the score". Hybrid has explained the process in detail plenty of times. But the music speaks for itself.

All that matters is the result. Would the scores be better without Lorne, Dooley and Zanelli etc. is the real question. I think the answer is no.


Mike2016-07-16 19:28:22
We all just need to accept that Hans has his own work style, and that, for better or worse, this involves collaborating with / getting help from other people. Hans may or may not "need" the help. Hans may or may not do better work with the help. But regardless of how or why he works, and regardless of how his scores get credited, we all know this **is** how he works.

I'm not trying to be harsh, and heck, I've been guilty of this in the past, but you'd think we'd stop *expecting* the highlights of Hans' scores to be done by Hans, or most of Hans' scores to be done by Hans. Sometimes it goes that way, sometimes in doesn't, but as Zimmer himself said, "He doesn't give a flying ****" about who ends up doing what. Batman Begins is no different. Future scores will be no different.


Mr Tweedy2016-07-19 23:22:16
Interstellar was written mostly (if not only) by Hans himself, and the score is one of his finest, in my opinion.

Some scores were very long to produce (without much time), I'm thinking about POTCs for exemple, and one man alone couldn't achieve that.

Or Rango for exemple, where Hans was asked pretty late in the process to start again the composing process because the first score didn't satisfy the production... Sometimes without Lorne, Geoff etc... there would be no music at all !


Mike2016-07-20 01:44:27
I agree about Interstellar, but I think its quality was mostly due to its genuine innovation, instrumentally / style-wise. I appreciate that Hans went at it alone (basically), but I don't think others' input would have made a drastic influence.

JamesGordon reply Replies: 0 || 2016-07-20 01:04:07
The best soundtracks i ever heared fron "The Dark Knight" trilogy!!!Good job to the creators!!

Mike reply Replies: 2 || 2016-06-11 03:19:17
So... can we expect any Nolan-Batman Easter eggs in Lorne Balfe's Lego Batman score?


Anonymous2016-06-11 03:25:35
idk why there would be... sure he worked on all three films to an extent but none of his contributions were massive as far as the overall imprint of the scores... and at that point he'd just as sensibly reference hans zimmer as danny elfman or any other batman composer... but we'll see!


Mike2016-06-11 03:29:38
Yeah, true. But I feel like he might throw in some little reference, considering he had a hand in three different movies for the character before the Lego one.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2014-07-30 15:58:31
hey Hybridius can you eventually add more JNH stuff to his page? :)

Anonymous reply Replies: 7 || 2014-05-14 02:54:00
funny how many fewer thanks jnh had to give.....there are a few names in his, in hans' there's like a paragraph of people


Zimson2014-05-14 08:19:42
Hans is a people person. :)


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-14 08:39:45
It's also the last time ever you can see Klaus Badelt thanked by HZ... lol


Poe2014-05-14 09:30:32
Why is that Hybrid? Are there no longer friends?


Zimson2014-05-14 10:02:11
I see Curse has left some complications. ;)


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-14 11:38:58
Well complicated story (which I don't know really anyway), but yeah, they avoid each other big time... lol


0-cool2014-05-14 12:15:49
didn't HZ suggest Badelt to Werner Herzog for Rescue Dawn?


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-14 12:18:31
Herzog is a close friend to Klaus, even in private life... And Klaus scored Invincible long before Rescue Dawn...

Anonymous reply Replies: 9 || 2013-07-27 03:09:27
Lemme see if I have this right, because the album has the cues way out of order:

1. Vespertilio = opening logos/the walk up the mountain
2. Eptesicus = the flashback after the campfire and the training scenes
3. Myotis = the temple fight, saving Ducard, and Bruce going back to Gotham
4. Barbastella = Death of the Waynes and the Batcave
5. Artibeus = Dock scenes and Ducard's first appearance
6. Tadarida = Rachel in the Batcave after the Tumbler chase, followed by "He's here" "Who?" "The Bat-Man!", followed by Batman on fire, followed by the scene where the microwave is stolen
7. Macrotus = the happy scenes with Bruce's parents, followed by the facing fear sequence in the monastery, followed by the music when Joe Chill is shot
8. Antrozus = Batman revealing his identity to Rachel and fighting the LoS
9. Nycteris = Bruce being shown Lucius' equipment and the "Why bats?" scene
10. Molossus = Tumbler chase
11. Corynorhinus = the final scenes
12. Lasiurus = a theme suite


Mike2013-07-27 03:15:34
Antrozus also includes Batman talking to Gordon at Gordon's house. ;) Otherwise, it looks right. I kinda wish the album had the end credits rather than Lasiurus. Lasiurus is a lovely piece, but having the end credits would have really rounded out the album more for me. If we had the end credits, we'd have Back Up (slightly edited, sure), part of Bruce Left for Dead, and the "Batman theme" all in one, and the album length would have been about the same.


0-cool2013-09-30 20:04:43
I don't get it why Zimmer never used the Batman theme again in any of the sequels!


Macejko2013-09-30 20:47:18
I don't want to sound like a moron (or like MacArthur), but where can I find this mysterious, never-again used Batman theme everyone is talking about? It bothers me that I think of something as a "Batman theme", and everybody seems to know about some other, "more true" theme.


Mike2013-09-30 21:02:55
Look up "Batman Begins Expanded Score - Batman theme", or if you're willing to skip about the first minute of it, skip to about 6:57 in the end credits (which can be easily found on YouTube) and listen from there. Pieces of the theme are used in "Molossus", and it has the typical Zimmer-Batman-staccato sound.

If you're familiar with the score, said theme is nothing groundbreaking or different. And besides, even if it was written to be a fully-fledged theme, the two notes took it over in the end and became the theme instead.


0-cool2013-09-30 21:35:54
it's from 0:40 on in Molossus. The leitmotiv is also heart in the "I'm Batman" scene and at the end when he jumps of the rooftop after talking to Gordon.
It's also heard in the TDK trailer


0-cool2013-09-30 21:39:57
it's also differently arranged in the boy soprano


Mike2013-10-02 00:30:17
0-cool, I see you were thinking of a different "theme" than I was. I was referring to the officially titled "Batman Theme" from the expanded score.


billy2013-10-03 17:42:50
I think that the theme 0-cool is talking about was changed a bit and used from JNH as the Harvey Dent theme, because the music underneath is approximately the same. The "Dent theme" version was also used in Myotis (3:16).


RealFfingMusic2014-02-11 14:38:25
You know An, this way it's scientific.

But I do like that BATMAN easter-egg :)

Mike reply Replies: 7 || 2014-01-17 15:21:38
So, Hybrid, if Mel Wesson did the more ambient cues, does that mean he did Dockyard Ambush Part 1, Why Bats, and Crane Interrogated?


Hybrid Soldier2014-01-17 18:59:34
He didn't do "the most ambient" cues, he did all the ambient stuff in the whole score... He's like everywhere... And yes of course he has some "solo" cues as well, which are pretty obvious : B Titles, Bruce Discomfort, Mugging Pt 1, Crane Warns Rachel Pt 2, Crane's Mask & Crane Interrogated... And for the rest I think there's just a dozen cues he didn't have a hand (directly or indirectly) on...


Mike2014-01-17 19:14:42
Hmm, interesting. Thanks!


Edmund Meinerts2014-01-17 21:42:07
Wesson gets credited a lot on the cues that have the "bat flaps" in them, I've noticed. I'm guessing they were Zimmer's idea, but Wesson was the one who actually designed and implemented them?


Mike2014-01-17 21:59:23
That seems to be the case if the following interview statement from Zimmer is correct (but, you know, a lot of what's said in interviews needs to be taken with a grain of salt):

"I was in Los Angeles and Chris was in London. Mel Wesson was in London too, so I suggested Mel go to over to the cutting room, to see what sort of thing we needed to start off with. My feeling was that it didn’t even really have to be a piece of music. It just had to be something really iconic, like the flapping of ginormous wings or something. So Mel created that, and that was a good start."


Anonymous2014-01-18 03:50:37
I'm rather surprised no one has really mentioned (that I've read -- apologies if someone has) what I consider to be a stark resemblance of the superb theme at the end of the TDKR "Moody New Bruce Hero Suite" (which, on that track, really begins at 19:10) to the MOS theme "What Are You Going To Do....".

Obviously, the TDKR theme in that track is MUCH slower, but the overall cue has a very similar emotion, epicness, chord progression, etc. I always wondered why it was not used in the film. A superb cue to me. (For those wondering, it's also available in the Z+ App).

Am I alone on this one?


Anonymous2014-01-18 03:52:02
Sorry everyone. Thought I was on a MOS post!


Mike2014-01-19 00:14:20
I quite agree about wondering why it wasn't in the film. Darned Chris Nolan always insists on reusing old music, but there was a lot of good material in that suite besides the part you mention which would have been awesome onscreen.

vikrant yadav reply Replies: 0 || 2014-01-16 01:45:25
Mr. H zimmer .. truthfully m nt a huge fan of urs bt i hve olways been an admirer ov ur work.....besides the cossack's chase ...d soundtrack of davy jones in pirates of Caribbean was owsm.....thanx fr such gr8 tracks

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Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2014-01-12 22:52:38
Has anybody else noticed that in TDKR's "Wayne Manor" suite, there are new, more staccato versions of two Batman Begins cues (the one in "Tadarida", played when the Scarecrow lights Batman on fire, and then the "Backup" cue)?

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2013-10-11 17:21:03
Go listen to Bernini's Angels by Kerry Muzzey, you'd swear it's Batman. Ostinato, two notes, the whole shebang.


Mike2014-01-09 22:04:46
I've noticed this before. Assuming Muzzey's was written later, how is he not guilty of plagiarism?

Prometheus reply Replies: 1 || 2013-05-03 19:43:30
Hybrid, can you tell us, which tracks by Zimmer, and which by Howard?


Anonymous2013-05-04 21:49:36
He's said many times that doing that is impossible, since the whole score is truly the work of both composers (with Hans sometimes using James' themes and James sometimes using Hans' themes). Apparently TDK was more clear-cut.

Mike reply Replies: 2 || 2012-12-31 09:11:00
Hybrid or anyone, there's an interview out there where Hans says, "We started off with two massive themes – one James wrote and one I wrote – which we ultimately combined..."

Does anyone know what the two themes are, or what the combination of them is?


Hybrid Soldier2012-12-31 10:48:45
I don't know exactly.

But if you check the Batman Theme track, the big part starting at 2:21 is basically a big brass theme (by HZ), and the background strings are playing a JNH theme (sharing notes with Dent's Theme).

Maybe that's the combinition mentioned. :)


Mike2013-01-01 01:47:07
That would make a lot of sense, actually.

Rene reply Replies: 0 || 2012-10-17 20:28:55
@Hybrid Soldier; can you give us a complete track list with the full credits for BB Original Score.

Mike reply Replies: 4 || 2012-10-15 23:33:19
Was the training music in Eptesicus the template for A Dark Knight? They sound similar.


MGDrone2012-10-16 05:26:20
Yup, it's the same theme from Like A Dog Chasing Cars too. That's why in the complete score to The Dark Knight that suite is called "Action Ice Theme". "Ice" refering to that scene in BB.


Mike2012-10-16 05:40:20
That makes sense. I was wondering for a while what the heck "action ice" was talking about.


Mike2012-10-16 05:44:43
(and thanks, by the way)


MGDrone2012-10-16 17:16:01
No prob. :)

Michael reply Replies: 2 || 2012-10-07 01:49:11
Did anyone notice that the music that plays right before Batman says, "...and you'll never have to" is essentially the same music sung by the boy in Rise from TDKR?


tree2012-10-07 05:28:39
Once you mention it, it becomes quite obvious to the point where I must have noticed it subconsciously.


cheesy2012-10-07 06:50:55
Well that theme was from Begins initially anyway. Listen to Barbastella/Mugging (Part 2).

MGDrone reply Replies: 0 || 2012-09-16 01:07:16
I'm pretty baffled by the credits here. The are moments that, to me, clearly sound like Zimmer's contributions. I'm thinking of Eptesicus, Myotis, and Lasirius. There are parts in those tracks that sound so much like HZ that I wonder if the credits are wrong or JNH was really trying to copy HZ's sound.

Lona reply Replies: 1 || 2012-06-12 21:12:04
Vespertillio (2:52)
Eptesicus (4:20)
Myotis (5:46)
Barbastella (4:45)
Artibeus (4:19)
Tadarida (5:05)
Marcrotus (7:35)
Antrozous (3:59)
Nycteris (4:25)
Molossus (4:49)
Corynorhinus (5:04)
Lasiurus (7:27)


i cannot understand the tracklist meaning


Poe2012-06-12 21:23:54
They are all species of Bat. Also notice how the first letter of each track from Barbastella onwards spells BATMAN :)

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2011-06-04 08:52:47
Complete score showed up:

1. Opening Titles - Young Bruce Falls (2:04)
2. Prison Nightmare (1:04)
3. Meeting Ducard (2:00)
4. The Long Walk (2:24)
5. Monastery (2:47)
6. Father to the Rescue (2:13)
7. Bruce's Discomfort (0:37)
8. Mugging (Part 1) (1:18)
9. Mugging (Part 2) - Gordon Comforts Bruce (2:50)
10. Training (2:51)
11. Campfire - Bruce Goes Home (3:28)
12. Courthouse (Part 1) (2:40)
13. Your System is Broken (0:57)
14. Meeting Falcone (3:10)
15. Decision (2:31)
16. Hide in the Dark (3:01)
17. Initiation Into the League - Temple Fight - Saving Ducard (6:29)
18. Return to Gotham (0:53)
19. Crane Warns Rachel A (1:00)
20. Crane Warns Rachel B (1:21)
21. The Bat Cave (3:01)
22. Wayne Enterprises (1:26)
23. Prototypes (1:40)
24. Preparing Equipment (1:48)
25. Batman Visits Gordon (1:12)
26. I Need You at the Docks - Why Bats (2:35)
27. Dockyard Ambush (3:09)
28. Rachel Attacked (2:24)
29. Microwave Stolen (1:26)
30. Meeting Rachel (1:38)
31. Crane's Mask (0:43)
32. Gordon At Home (1:27)
33. Batman On Fire (2:33)
34. Finder's Keepers (1:41)
35. Fox is Fired (1:13)
36. Making Medicine (4:10)
37. Fight in Crane's Lab (5:01)
38. Back Up (1:34)
39. Batmobile Chase (5:01)
40. Rachel in Bat Cave (1:26)
41. Your Father's Name (0:57)
42. Crane Interrogated (0:34)
43. Ducard Appears (1:10)
44. Ducard and Gotham's Fate - Bruce Left For Dead (6:39)
45. Rachel Gives Gordon the Antidote (3:32)
46. Batman Arrives (2:29)
47. Batman Rescues Rachel - Fight With League (2:55)
48. Final Confrontation (1:20)
49. Train Fight (3:18)
50. Danger Over (0:54)
51. Surveying the Ruins (3:21)
52. Gordon Says Thanks (1:50)
53. End Credits (9:03)
54. Batman Theme (3:16)
55. Prison Nightmare (Alt.) (1:04)
56. Monastery (Alt.) (2:46)
57. Father to the Rescue (Alt.) (2:13)
58. Mugging (Part 1) (Alt.) (1:07)
59. Mugging (Part 2) - Gordon Comforts Bruce (Alt.) (2:51)
60. Training (Alt. 1) (3:00)
61. Training (Alt. 3) (2:52)
62. Campfire - Bruce Goes Home (Alt. 1) (3:29)
63. Campfire - Bruce Goes Home (Alt. 2) (3:29)
64. Your System is Broken (Alt.) (0:56)
65. Meeting Falcone (Alt.) (3:10)
66. Decision (Alt.) (2:32)
67. Crane Warns Rachel A (Alt.) (1:00)
68. Crane Warns Rachel B (Alt.) (1:21)
69. Preparing Equipment (Alt.) (1:54)
70. I Need You at the Docks - Why Bats (Alt.) (2:35)
71. Batman On Fire (Alt.) (2:28)
72. Batmobile Chase (Alt.) (4:52)
73. Gordon Says Thanks (Alt.) (1:51)
74. Original End Credits (7:15)


real, sfx free


Dakota2011-06-04 22:57:39
Dude, the Complete Score has been out for several weeks, if not a month now. Where have you been?

Iceboy reply Replies: 1 || 2011-04-22 06:20:19
Thanks, Uga. What about the last 1m40s or so of Antrozous? Its certainly not the train fight score


Uga2011-04-22 06:30:54
It starts right after Crane poisons Falcone and cuts to Batman and Gordon talking outside Gordon's home.

Uga reply Replies: 1 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
It's the moment right after Bruce asks "Does it come in black?"


Iceboy2011-04-22 05:39:27
Thanks, Uga. What about the last 1m40s or so of Antrozous? Its certainly not the train fight score

Iceboy reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
It is? Whereabouts in the film is that, I forget?

Uga reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
If you're referring to the part that starts at 1:34; it starts at the scene when Falcone and Flass are talking in the restaurant about rachel

Iceboy reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-20 00:00:00
Does anyone kno where the 2nd part of Nycteris is from in the movie? I cant seem to find it anywhere in the actual mix??

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-13 00:00:00
Not at this thread... BTW, is Michael Kamen a member of R.C. Productions?

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-12 00:00:00
Are there any Michael Kamen scores in complete form out there?

Takehiro reply Replies: 0 || 2011-04-11 00:00:00
Thanks! Are they without SFX?

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