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what's that weird hissing noise in 6m15a under the stairs is that supposed to be part of the music?
There is no hissing noise that I can hear.
I can hear it, too. Especially with headphones. It starts at the very beginning and can be heard throughout most of the piece. Try to add more treble and you may hear it, too.
It actually seems to be part of the recording itself. Boosting the volume without enhancing anything else, I can now hear what you mean, so I checked it against the DVD. And sure enough, same 'hissing' noise in the film's audio track too. TBH it sounds like feedback from the string harmonics.
this is mgbube and i have to say i am playing the violine and these noise do not sound like harmonics to me it sounds like shit ass recording flub or botched up special effect either way it is annoying is there some way to clean it up thanks mgbube
1. Circle of Life* (4:21) 2. This Land (3:01) 3. Uncle Scar (3:57) 4. Hyenas (4:47) 5. Under the Stars (2:15) 6. ...To Die For (5:57) 7. Scar Takes Over** (2:05) 8. Wax Philosophical (2:48) 9. Reunion (4:13) 10. Trouble in Paradise (4:45) 11. He Lives in You (3:05) 12. The King Has Returned (3:12) 13. King of Pride Rock (11:53)
* Contains composer Hans Zimmer's original openning for the film. Score not used in the final film, however simillar variations were used in the song with the same title.
** Contains music not used in the final film.
Note: Two versions of the academy promo do exist. I own the first one but the second one reportedly has one extra track, titled 'Shadowland' which runs about 2:09. Like 'Circle of Life' in this album, 'Shadowland' was not used in the final film.
Note: All music in this promo is in stereo and the quality of recordings is by far better than the ones in this bootleg. Be cautious that there are several fake copies of this promo floating around. These items have the same tracklisting however the contents are identical to the bootleg in this page.
This is something I feel needs to be dragged up in light of the full score becoming available.
I'm inclined to believe this doesn't exist. No evidence has ever surfaced for it. The so-called "Original opening" was supposed to have been included on earlier bootlegs but I can find no mention of it beyond here and the one mention on filmtracks.
So, IF the FYC exists AT ALL, it was likely to be the sessions, just without the songs (because the sessions that leaked... those songs are clearly from the albums - I am curious to know where he got the reel info for them from). I'd love to be proven wrong, but I don't think I ever will. If it does exist, the sessions themselves supplant the FYC by a mile, and IF it does exist, then those who hold the sessions proper (not the ones that leaked with the songs) also have a cue that has not seen the light of day: the Mufasa's Dead piece that is highlighted above.
I'd still love to see who did what with regards to the film, and I still think there are some interesting alternates. In the Special Edition, I seem to recall Zimmer stating he wrote four hours worth of music, and although I don't think that was all translated into actual cues, I'd be surprised if a great deal of the ideas went unused, or did get used but are still unreleased (like the film versions of Scar's Dinner and Sunrise at Pride Rock). Hell, there may even be material for M8 and M16 given that the film's script went through several pre-release revisions.
this is mgbube for ggctuk this is ancient message you have dug up there and this person medivh has never again shown up here so it is not stupid to assume his allegations were false i have very old interviews and will have a look at them sooner or later to clear up what hans said about amount of music composed for masterpiece the lion king thanks mgbube
I asked this, but it's likely to do better on its own topic. Does anybody have any idea what M8 and M16 should have contained? And, I hear the supposed FYC Promo had a different version of Circle of Life. Any truth to that one?
this is mgbube for ggctuk i am telling my idea of what missing music is one has to be the warthog rhapsody because there is no way it can not be the warthog rhapsody please see for yourself on youtube it is there thanks mgbube
1. LK 1M1 Circle Of Life (3:59) 2. LK 1M2 Scar's Dinner (2:13) 3. LK 1M3-2M3 What Am I Going to Do-Sunrise at Pride Rock (3:02) 4. LK 2M4 Hyenas in the Pridelands (4:00) 5. LK 3M5 I Just Can't Wait To Be King (2:50) 6. LK 3M6 Elephant Graveyard (4:46) 7. LK 3M7 Father's Footsteps (2:15) 8. LK 4M9A Be Prepared (3:40) 9. LK 4M9B The Signal (0:49) 10. LK 5M10 Stampede (3:25) 11. LK 5M11 Mufasa's Dead (3:28) 12. LK 5M12A As Good As Dead Pt. 1 (1:39) 13. LK 5M12B As Good As Dead Pt. 2 (0:32) 14. LK 6M13 Hakuna Matata (3:33) 15. LK 6M14 Scar - Zazu What (1:09) 16. LK 6M15A Under the Stars (1:13) 17. LK 6M15B Rafiki (1:40) 18. LK 7M17 Nala Attacks (4:16) 19. LK 7M18 Can You Feel The Love Tonight (2:57) 20. LK 8M19 Nala - Simba - Mufasa Ghost (7:52) 21. LK 9M20 Homeward Bound (2:28) 22. LK 9M22 Simba & Nala Move In - Finale (11:43)
Yep, posted on a certain site by the legendary s*********s and having listened to it all now, it's definitely the genuine article! It's also in great stereo quality throughout as well :-)
Wondering how long it will be before:
1.) Hybrid Soldier creates a page
2.) T-Mann036 gets credited for the artwork
3.) Hybrid adds a bunch of suites and alternates to it to make it look like it's more than it really is, so he can feel all high and mighty. That ALWAYS happens
I wish I could, //////... but I'm already too freakin' shocked to see the 100% legit complete score!!!!! *faint*
Why changing of page ?
That one is fine... ;)
Where does the alternate "Mufasa's Death" come from? It was not in the post.
How about a detailed list of who did what? Zimmer, Elton John, Tim Rice, Leo M, Mark Mancina and Nick Glennie-Smith?
Well Nick worked on Scar's Dinner & Our Little Secret, which are mostly... unused...
The Trap sounds like Speed so I'd say it was Mancina...
I have no doubt Nala Attacks is Mancina, you can hear him all over the cue...
And they are here & there, somewhere, everywhere ! :)
Tallying it all up, we miss only two minor pieces which are essentially film versions of 1M2 and 2M3. In the grand scheme of things, however, they don't really matter as all the as-written score is here anyway.
Thanks, Hybrid. And what about Lebo M? Also, did Elton John happen to write anything with Zimmer, or did he just write the songs?
ggctuk, is it at all possible to rip those from the DVD? They're not on your version, are they?
Well Lebo did the vocals performance & arrangement.
Elton just wrote the songs. HZ & Mark arranged them.
@ Mr. Charles. It's not possible to rip those from the DVD as they both have vocal echo. Plus I missed one which you CAN get clean off the DVD - 9M21 Hawaiian War Chant. Most other film edits are easy to duplicate, DVD material or not.
Timon: Are you achin'... Pumba: Yep, yep, yep. Timon: ...for some bacon? Pumba: Yep, yep, yep. Timon: He's a big pig. Pumba: Yep,yep. Timon: You can be a big pig too... OY!
Given the hype, it seems my post was overlooked, so I'll try again: I see an alternative "Mufasa's Death" up there. Where did this come from? Is it just the album edit, or a different cue?
@ggctuk : it's a different track. It's a real alternate version of the Mufasa's death music, though it contains nothing especially new (it's a standard "This Land-like" drama arrangement)
Really? It wasn't in the Sessions, so that means he must have gotten it from sombody else.
It was... But people on FFS do what they want. Blame them.
Come to think of it, I remember it being mentioned. The Guy Who Must Not Be Named Because His Name Gets Censored Every Time knew somebody with the TLK DAT tape a while ago so I'm assuming he didn't rip it thoroughly, or else it wasn't on his friend's DAT tape.
Any idea what M8 and M16 should have contained? And, I hear the supposed FYC Promo had a different version of Circle of Life. Any truth to that one?
Am I the only one who thinks Stampede is actually edited down considerably? I mean, it's clear here that's what was basically in the film, but giving it a listen: the trumpet note before the "Herd Is On The Move" lull is artificially reverbed. And the end, you can hear two notes of a theme that gets cut of as the main Stampede theme returns. I'm actually thinking that the musical version uses both these missing bits.
who wrote the finale cue when simba walks up to the rock in the rain and what score does it resemble at 9:45, sounds like Armageddon?
Zimmer did. It's all one big cue. His name's on the sheet music for that cue (you can see it in one of the documentaries on the Special Edition DVD)
A name on a sheet doesn't mean anything, trust me...
It's clear Zimmer composed most of the cues, otherwise an additional composer credit would be neccesary. However, ARRANGEMENT is where it gets murky. So technically, I was right. In any case, given the fact that it has the Circle of Life reprise at the end, and it's fairly similarly constructed to the opening, I'd stick with Zimmer.
Just as a note, the following cues have modifications to them in the film:
1M1 Circle Of Life: Different midsection. 1M2 Scar's Dinner: Alternative is used. 2M3 Sunrise at Pride Rock: One, possibly two inserts are used. 2M4 Hyenas in the Pridelands: Hyenas theme at the start replaced by Simba's theme from 8M19, entire middle section is dialled out. 3M5 I Just Can't Wait To Be King: A minor difference, but the line "No one saying See Here" is a duet in the film, not a solo by Laura Williams. 4M9A Be Prepared: Introducing poem omitted, different hyena chorus, ends with a timpani roll/cymbal clash. 5M10 Stampede: Omits some of the starting percussion, boosts the first twenty seconds of chorus. 5M12A As Good As Dead Pt. 1: The end has a snare drum. It is also looped once. 5M12B As Good As Dead Pt. 2: Omitted in favour of material from 2M3. 6M13 Hakuna Matata: The section where Simba asks about dinner is actually pulled from the instrumental at the end of the song: it's an artifical extension. 6M14 Scar - Zazu What: Opening percussion is omitted, as is entire last section. 6M15B Rafiki: A small microedit towards the end, plus the cue ends out on a choral note rather than a string note. 9M20 Homeward Bound: Extra percussive hit after Busa theme, no percussion in final thirty seconds. 9M22 Simba & Nala Move In - Finale: Mainly microedits, although the space between the Circle of Life reprise and the Busa theme is larger.
For the most part, these are actually very easily replicated if you're into film edits. The only ones that you can't do are 1M2, 2M3 and 6M14.
Someone is going around saying he/she has virtually the complete score to "The Lion King." It could be the bootleg or something else. He also says he's obtained the complete scores to Alan Menken's 90s work as well. This person is not going to share them, of course. Not sure if I believe this or not....
he isn't sharing it, so why believing him?
Did he told you the content? number of tracks? length? tracklisting?
No content information, but he's publicly shared various *authentic* instrumental tracks from Beauty and the Beast, Pocahontas, Hunchback & Lion King. These are the actual film mixes, not DVD/Blu-ray rips. i tend to believe s/he may actually have something...
I know who you mean. But given his treatment at the hands of certain individuals who believe they can take without ever giving something back, I don't see him publicly posting that.
They will all be leaked sooner or later. The chamber of secrets recording sessions were eventually publicly available after someone on YouTube teased about having them.
That's not through the same guy. Just because one person has something it doesn't mean it will leak out because that one person has something. Personally, I hope for the sessions. It'd answer a lot of questions, but don't hold your breath because only rumours have been conveyed with regards to that thus far.
I don't think the guy who teased about COS released them, though.
i'm not holding my breath, but I highly doubt he's only person who has those scores, if he actually does. Assuming he's telling the truth, he had to get them from someone or more than one someone.
Personally, I'd rather see an official complete release of this score rather through Intrada/Disney rather than the leaked sessions. Unfortunately, I don't think Intrada/Disney will release the score any time soon... if at all.
Sessions is more likely than an official release, and it would be preferable, because I think there's a lot of music that was recorded that wasn't used, there's the film alternates of some cues etc which probably wouldn't be on any official CD, but don't hold your breath: one set of sessions had to spawn these bootlegs already.
Well, The Black Hole release is complete with cues not used in the film and a bonus track. I'm not sure if there's anything else extra that could have been included. As far as I know, the release was as comprehensive as it could have been.
The animated films (including the soundtracks) are BIG properties for Disney. I highly doubt we'll see complete releases through Intrada/Disney, especially when the some of the OSTs are still in print and widely available.
Roger from Intrada did say in an interview that any release from Disney films is possible as long as the execs agree, and even hinted that they'll think of an expanded Lilo & Stitch in the future (which does have an in-print CD soundtrack if memory serves).
If Disney allowed them to release the soundtrack of something as huge as The Avengers (with an exclusive bonus track too), then I think The Lion King is certainly a possibility too. However, they seem to be first concentrating on older scores like the Black Hole and Condorman so this will probably take more time. I hope it isn't too far.
I wouldn't put my money on a record label that has hardly shown any interest in RCP's turf to make an expanded release happen for this. If HZ himself wishes to push this release forward then we could have it from Disney records within a few months, just like the Pirates soundtrack treasures collection. By the looks of it though he hasn't put much time thinking about this. Someone needs to push the man a little! Hybrid Soldier? =)
Pushing is not going to do a whole lot of good: Disney are renowned for mistreating the releases of CDs for their more recent stuff unless pushed for it: Disney can clearly see that this one's getting a lot of attention, but they still refuse to do it themselves. The reason perhaps Intrada's not shown much interest is because they're trying to get older titles out of the way first. If it's going to happen, I'd say 2013 sometime, though, or maybe 2014 to coincide with the 20th anniversary.
It's old news. It's sourced from this bootleg.
I feel compelled to say that I was responding to a comment that has since been removed, just in case anybody thinks I'm going nuts :P
Complete fabrication. I have never stated I have the complete score to 'The Lion King' nor of Alan Menken's 90's work either. Please don't make up stories and post them on public forums in some ridiculous attempt to will things that aren't necessarily out there into existence. Also, what I do have, I've posted and that's that.
Exactly. I can safely say that what he did have was most likely the old set anyways.
Here's my find from the ASCAP database concering cues from the Lion King. It lists several other cues than the ones used in the Lion King 1 1/2. Here goes:
The Lion King (Just a guess but given Circle of Life appears twice in the film, ending at the title card on both occasions, and there being two mentions, I'd wager this is actually the original title for Circle of Life, or at least Zimmer's version) Sunrise At Pride Rock (second part of "The Once and Future King") Stampede What Am I Going To Do? ("What Have You Done ? / Run Away") Mufasa's Dead ("A New Era / Bowling for Buzzards") Scar's Dinner ("Scar, We're Hungry") Under The Stars ("Under the Stars (not the album track) / Simba Alive") Nala Simba/Mufassa Ghost ("An Argument / You're Mufasa's Boy / Remember " - it lists Mufassa Ghost separately too, and yes, it's actually listed as Mufassa) Homeward Bound ("This Is My Home") Simba And Nala Move In King Of Pride Rock/The Lion King End Credits
Father's Footsteps, the only other cue I have confirmed due to the TLK2 credits, is not in there. There are other cue names there but they make no sense. I'm guessing they're the recordings for various versions of the songs.
Several others are there too but no titles are given.
Anotehr curious mention is that quite a few of these mention independant publishers, while a lot of the other unreleased stuff does not.
Fun fact: Stampede in the film is actually the exact same take as the one presented here. However, in the mixing, they turned down the introducing toms and gong hit, and boosted the underlying percussion. You can hear the film version percussion mixed in if you listen carefully.
Awesome tribute to this unforgettable masterpiece!
Excellent work, Zaigouken!
man how i hate disney... -.-
Zaigouken, you say you had been warned by Disney because of copyright notice. I remove your posts to these videos. Despite this, you continue to post here links to your video saying 'I did not get warning this time'. Please, stop now.
Sorry, Damien. I actually didn't know that you were removing my posts. I thought they just weren't being submitted. If you had left a note the first time with your reason, I would have stopped. Thanks for letting me know now.
I don't think the new video got a warning because I am using the copyrighted material under fair use. The old one included too many scenes and spoiled the plot, so for this new one, I've only included about 7 minutes worth of film with no major plot elements, and the rest is audio commentary of my analysis.
But to follow your rules, I won't provide the link; just wanted to clarify my actions.
Thanks for the clarification, there is no problem.
For your information about the new video, I am afraid that even 7 min is too long for Disney, but they just did not find your video.
This is great! I'm glad you did this, I wish this were done on other albums/bootlegs. It really makes me wish we had the complete recording sessions. I hope that if they ever get released they'll include EVERYTHING written for this movie.
Truth it, it's nowhere near finished. I'll need help to pin everything I can down exactly. I might even try to get hold of some of the people involved with the score to see if they'd be willing to share any further information.
What a wonderful analysis, ggctuk! Excellent work! :)
Once it's finished, I also suggest posting it (without the bootleg references) on the Intrada forum for consideration. Might get them interested to look into a complete release sooner.
Theme-wise I think I've pinned down everything I can. I just need help with bits I might have missed, or from anybody who has the FYC Promo, for instance (which is guesswork on my part).
Great job with the analysis, ggctuk. Just wanted to let you know that you missed identifying a substantial tragic theme. It's used when Simba finds Mufasa's dead body, when Simba first looks into the water and sees only his reflection, and when Simba returns home and sees Pride Rock in its ruined state.
Thanks, I revised it appropriately. I assume you sent me that e-mail too (I was away on holiday so I wouldn't have been here to see the comment).
With any luck, it'll help in some way to show that we are paying attention to the music, and are awaiting a proper release.
There's a lot of mistakes in this tracks list : - "Life Isn't Fair, Is It ?" is not a music from the beginning of the movie. It's the music when Scar makes the signal to hyenas in the canyon. There's no music when scar is introduced... - The track 9 named "To Die For" does not correspond to the scene where Simba is trapped in the canyon. In fact, it's the track 10 named here "What have you done...". And when Simba discovers his father dead, when Scar tells him "What have you done ?", it's the track 11 named here "Alternate 1"
There actually is music when Scar is introduced during the mouse scene (a slow, sly reprise of the character's theme which you can also hear in "King Of Pride Rock"). The "To Die For" track on this one is an unused alternate/demo, I think.
"To Die For" is actually "Scar, We're Hungry", a piece played in the movie where the hyenas are telling Scar they have "no stinkin' entrees", then Scar tells them to eat Zazu. It's mixed very subtle but it is there.
"Hyenas" appears to actually be an alternate for the first half of "Plotting".
Nix my last: "Hyenas" is actually the music for the "Life's Not Fair" Scene. You can hear the heroic statement used when Zazu announces Mufasa's on his way, and when the mouse scurries away. This version, however, is largely unused.
I NEEEEEED this CD!!! I've wanted the entire score w/o dialogue since the movie came out! It's absolutely gorgeous!!! I can't believe this extremely popular movie doesn't have a complete score release while movies such as Pocahontas does (which is excellent as well, my second favorite ST). Please, I would like info on where I can find this CD as well. My email is: .... Thanks!
The Pocahontas ST release is nowhere near complete.
Believe it or not, neither is this CD.
As far as 1980's and 1990's commercial releases go from Disney Records, none of them are anywhere near complete. Many of the Menken releases are missing 30+ minutes of score material and it seems like "The Lion King" is missing more if the sessions are truly 115 minutes.
Is this even Disney records, though? No official announcement as far as I can trace, and an alleged one-day shelf-life. Truth be told, it's like this CD never actually existed.
I'm also told the actual tracklisting was different, being 17 tracks, and not including anything the album included (all those 'alternates' are merely the album tracks).
Apparently, this was the ACTUAL tracklist:
All That the Light Touches (3'03) Plotting (4'02) The Elephant Graveyard (4'55) Kings of the Past (2'16) Hyenas (2'29) Wait for the Signal (0'59) ...To Die For (3'32) Run Away (3'34) A New Era (1'42) Timon and Pumbaa (0'32) Scar, We're Hungry (1'12) Under the Stars (2'59) Reunion (4'22) Remember (7'53) This is my Home (2'30) The Return (6'52) King of Pride Rock (4'58)
I was referring to Disney's OST release in 1994 and subsequent Special Edition (hardly) release in 2003. Those are obviously official releases.
According to SoundtrackCollector, Ponce Records from Japan has a 2 disc set containing about 85 minutes of music including songs and alternates. The tracklisting and times are slightly different than what you listed above. This probably isn't official, though. I think anyone with an account can add information to the SoundtrackCollector website.
Ponce Records Tracklisiting: Disc/Cassette 1
1. Circle of Life (04:03) 2. Wait for the Signal (01:02) 3. All The Light Touches (03:27) 4. Plotting (04:28) 5. The Elephant Graveyard (05:19) 6. Kings of the Past (02:36) 7. Hyenas (02:33) 8. Be Prepared (03:45) 9. Scar Were Hungry (01:22) 10. The Stampede (03:49) 11. Run Away (03:52) 12. A New Era (01:54)
1. Timon and Pumba (00:39) 2. Hakuna Matata (03:34) 3. Under the Stars (03:20) 4. Reunion (04:49) 5. Can You Feel The Love Tonight (03:02) 6. Remember (08:43) 7. This is My Home (02:49) 8. Return, King of Pride Rock (12:48) 9. Aternate 3 (03:00) 10. Alternate 4 (03:46)
The Pony Records one is almost certainly derived from this very bootleg.
I am not sure where we are aiming to go with posts like these. Wouldn't these have more visibility for "the right group of people" if they were discussed at Intrada's forum?
As far as Grace's request for the complete score is concerned, absolutely that belongs over at Intrada. However, I don't think Intrada would appreciate us talking about boots on their turf. This is a good place to discuss unofficial releases, unless if there is a better forum out there that allows such talk.
That Japanese version is probably this same boot, but it's wierd that they got the names right for the tracks, if not the order, and also that the track times are different.
The sessions allegedly have 71 tracks totalling 115 minutes, according to somebody I know, so this isn't NEARLY complete.
A complete score can be complete - i.e. "this is all the music you hear in the film". A sessions is "this is all the music you hear in the film , plus some extra takes or alternate unused versions". Both are complete, in that sense.
Yes, but this isn't what is heard in the film either, so it's not even complete in that sense. Examples:
The Once and Future King - in the film, there's a different theme as dawn approaches and Simba tries to awaken Mufasa. Hyenas - None of this score is heard in the film, and I suspect it doesn't actually score the hyenas scene at all. Stampede - Different take to the film On Our Side / Simba Awakens - not used at all in the film.
The film is about 90 minutes long, so that's 25-30+ minutes of extra material in the form of (probably) alternates and unused cues? Where do the songs fall in the session recordings? Are those the orchestral-only versions or do those contain vocals?
I don't know. They didn't tell me whether the songs in any form were included or not.
Is this a genuine article, as in all music is clean and in stereo? I'd love to get my hands on it to add to my collection (officially, of course)
No, scratch that, this is that bootleg going round.
I hear both the sessions and the Academy Promo are 'out there' (I have a miniscule amount of insider knowledge as a beginner collector myself) but I fear you'll be waiting a very long time. Of course, you could try and persuade anybody involved in the Lion King's production to release a few tracks, but I'm afraid I'm spent on that front on another score anyways.
I text chatted to Hans Zimmer himself last year. He said that a full release was in his plans. He didn't specify when though.
And my plans are to be a Hollywood star, doesn't't mean it will happen. I plan on mowing the lawn this afternoon, but it may not happen
I believe Intrada will eventually get to it since they're delving into the Disney vault. They've already done another Zimmer/Disney score from 1991 (White Fang) so they're not shy of Zimmer's work at all. I would be curious as to what he'd include and which mixes - as the film mixes are clearly different to the ones presented on both the album and this bootleg (as a matter of fact, I think the album mixes come directly from that Academy Promo that has never appeared anywhere and is completely unverifiable).
In any case, I think it's likely the sessions will appear first, given the recent spate of Zimmer sessions leaks, although, granted, the fall of a certain file sharing site might have put paid to that.
Yep, I'm pretty sure that we'll see this one come from Intrada eventually, in the (hopefully) not-so-far future. I just hope that Zimmer and Disney let them finish the job properly and release the entire score, instead of "overproducing" it again. I certainly don't want to see an edited stampede cue again, for example!
I concur, although having never really given Zimmer enough thought before, I can't say I've heard too much of his work to comment on his knack for overproducing.
Do you know, I respected the editing on the OST, except for the Stampede. That's some of the shoddiest and most obvious editing I've ever heard, it's inexcusable. Oh, and the start of King of Pride Rock too - using the true beginning for This Land to start it off instead of Scar takes Over/A New Era (which would have blended perfectly, given that the instrumentation at the start is identical). Then again, it's hard to top the editing of, say, the Star Wars prequels, but I'd say we have a contender.
Seconded. I also found the edit from "This Land" to "Remember" rather jarring. Here's hoping for proper, untouched tracks on the complete release when we finally get it. :-)
Not to mention the last thing I want to see on there is a "...To Die For Remix" by DJ Tiesto or something!
Another interesting tidbit is that this isn't actually complete: "The Once and Future King/This Land/Whatever you want to call it" is different in the film. There's a flute reprise of the Busa Simba theme in the film, but here there's some generic strings in its place. Seems the film uses a few alternatives not present here.
Oh, I hadn't noticed that! Thanks for the info! :D
Yep, the film versions have some interesting material not on this boot, also in terms of mixes. I like that brief section of heavy timpani in the opening of the stampede track much more than the gong-dominated mix heard here and on the OST.
I also found another couple of things out - there's a few actual names for the pieces out there:
Nants Ingonyama (The album version of Circle Of Life) Circle Of Life (this is, I'd assume, the Zimmer piece on the FYC Promo) Father's Footsteps (Here it's "Kings Of The Past") Homeward Bound ("This Is My Home") Hawaiian War Chant (Although not included here, this is Timon and Pumbaa's "Live Bait" distraction) Simba & Nala Move In/End (Obviously scores the end).
I might see if I can garner a bit more cue info.
Those titles come from TLK 1 1/2 "song list", are they not?
I am also inclined to believe "Stampede" and "Simba Confronts Scar" are two others.
So, is the climactic 11 minute "King Of Pride Rock" track (excluding the end credits) not a singular cue? I had always thought it was.
Nope, it's not, I believe, and a lot of the score won't be singular cues either. I'm not sure which cues start where, but this is the list I've come up with for myself (Titles mostly not official). Bear in mind this is very much a work in progress, but I hope to get some more info on this soon. I believe that the ending is made up of no less than 5 cues - the film and music corroborates some of this, as does the way some of it is edited (IE a switch on the violins from one note while playing another):
Nants Ingonyama * Circle Of Life (Zimmer Version, Unused)** This Land Plotting Simba And Nala I Just Can't Wait To Be King* The Elephant Graveyard Graveyard Chase Father's Footsteps* The Hyenas (Unused) More Plotting (Unused) Wait For the Signal Stampede Run Away Kill Him Scar Takes Over** Timon & Pumbaa (Unused) Hakuna Matata* Scar, We're Hungry Under The Stars Wax Philosophical Reunion Can You Feel The Love Tonight?* Trouble In Paradise** He Lives In You** Homeward Bound* Hawaiian War Chant* The Return Battle of Pride Rock Simba Confronts Scar Simba & Nala Move In/End* Busa Simba (End Title)* Can You Feel The Love Tonight? (End Title)*
* these are known to be the correct titles. The songs are named on the album, while the Zimmer cues are listed at the end of The Lion King 3 (or 1 1/2, whichever it is where you are).
** These names are taken from the FYC Promo
Wow, that's a really cool list! Amazing work. :-)
Yep, I heard Zimmer (and quite a few other composers) often tend to work with split cues and join them for the final mix because it's more convenient. Discovered that after checking out the Train Fight track in the Batman Begins sessions, which I used to think of as a single cue as well.
BTW, there's also a brief little cue featuring Scar's theme in the scene where he messes around with the mouse. Or is it tracked from somewhere else?
There should be a "Scar's Dinner" (ASCAP title) before "This Land", I think.
Isn't Scar's intro in the first half of the bootleg's mix of 'plotting' before it segues into Simba and Nala's scene?
Yes, that's why I excluded it from the list, because I believe it to be tracked. Tracking does occur in the film a little bit (although not as much as, say, in a John Williams film). For instance, there's a small statement tracked from "This Land" when Simba awakens (where "Timon & Pumbaa" would have played).
Disney is notorious for lousy albums with lousy editing. Almost all of Disney albums are edited in some way. Even parts of the "Snow White" album are edited.
It seems as though Intrada has very little say in releasing Disney albums. So, even if Intrada releases "The Lion King," I have little hope that it will be the full score we would expect.
Disney is notorious for prioritizing songs, not for editing score cues. Many albums in the market are edited, or worse, heavily butchered. Look at War Horse from previous year for example.
Indeed. Also, if you look at Disney albums like Atlantis or Up, the cues aren't really edited significantly. HZ, however, does heavily edit tracks in his album releases. The overall presentation and compilation also depends much on what the composer wants, not just the studio or producer.
That said, let's just pray for a complete release at all first - we can worry about the details after that. ;-) Intrada is well-known for treating their releases excellently (look at the newly rectified release of Predator, for example), so I have faith.
Zimmer has been reported as saying he wants the full score to this out, so I have faith in that. An album is different to a full score, at least from the composer's POV.
what zimmer says, is crap. he says since 10 years now the same crap. he wants the full score to be released and OOOOONE day it's going to happen blablabla.
the fact is, he want to release it how it deserves. he is a perfectionist, and with that, he needs time, a lot of time to put everything beautifully together. and he hasn't time, as he is involved with 100000 projects at the same time. damn, he don't even has the time to do a score to an actual movie alone, that's why he's doing his scores with a lot of guys. and you think, that he will find some time for a lion king full score release? i doubt it!
i have no doubt that we'll get the complete score to "The Lion King" and the rest of the animated classics from the 80s and 90s... it's just a matter of when and if it's done properly.
My last comment appears to have been erased, even though it was completely in jest. Allow me to rephrase what I was trying to get across.
My point was, if Zimmer is too busy to get the thing put together himself, he should pass on the task to somebody who has more time to do so. And it'd be practical to do that before somebody in a more priveliged position decided that it's time to leak either the FYC Promo or the recording sessions. Chances are, one of the two will leak someday, given how these things tend to work. My point was also that the fans of the music should be consulted - after all, it's us buying the product.
I think Intrada are the best hope for getting a complete score out there.
Agreed! Intrada treats the material with respect, and credits those where it's due.
So what if Hans is too busy to supervise, or coordinate. Give it to Nick to do. How busy can he be? He was also a major force on the original project.
Thirded. In fact, I'd be delighted if he lets Brian Tyler produce it. Now there's a man who knows how to make fans happy with lavish soundtrack releases. :)
Yeah, but it seems like Intrada doesn't have final say over what's released. Disney has control over the content including the artwork. I don't have much hope for a "definitive" edition from Intrada/Disney. No doubt Intrada knows how to release scores properly, but only if they're allowed complete freedom to do so. Based on previous Intrada/Disney releases, Intrada is under Disney's thumb, not the other way around.
Yes, but it's Randy Thornton who's in-charge of this new partnership over at Disney; and he's a film score enthusiast who knows what the fans want very well and has been working hard to produce archival releases of classic scores. If given creative liberty, I'm sure he'll give us the complete score to enjoy - look how well he produced Black Hole and Black Cauldron, for example. And since the Intrada guys are working with him too... fingers crossed.
You're right. The Black Hole and Black Cauldron were amazing releases, although I would have liked it if they included alternates on the Black Cauldron release as well.
My idea of the perfect Lion King release would include the complete score as recorded for the film, songs, orchestral only versions of the songs, alternates, demos and whatever else is considered "worthy" (I don't mean hip-hop renditions of select songs). I'm sure all this could easily fill 2 discs, which would be well worth the effort and price. This dream applies to potential releases ALL Disney scores from Snow White to The Little Mermaid to Mulan to Tangled.
I'm not going to get my hopes up, but it would be a dream come true when Intrada/Disney get around to those Oscar nominated and winning gems. I guess I'll cross my fingers, too. Couldn't hurt. :-)
I hope when the full score is released, that the orchestra-only versions of the songs are included as well. Those pieces are just as impressive as the songs themselves. Would love to hear the music from the songs isolated from the vocals.
this is mgbube for fans of masterpiece score that is the lion king my sources at corporate monster disney corporation have told me the release on itunes is now imminent it is a surprise for all fans who were patient enough i am not allowed to reveal the release date but it will occur by end of year 2011 petition had nothing to do with this disney doesnt care how few people have signed that if you have further questions feel free to ask oh and another thing hans zimmer himself has announced the release be patient it will be worth it thanks mgbube
Could it be? I sure hope this happens.
I said something about this months ago. Perhaps today, to coincide with the Blu-ray release? Either way, (if it is true) fascinating news to hear my favorite film score is getting a complete release (is it complete?)
who is mgbube? another mark g.? -.-
don't believe this for one second. believe it when it's on itunes. nothing to see here people, move along
Also, the guy who started this topic typed it without punctuation or capitalization. Sometimes, when I encounter run-on sentences, I like to read them out loud and see how many full breaths of air it takes to read it.
If this was an official announcement, I'd think it would look more official.
Lmao how many breaths did it take? IAt least it's not as bad as the spelling and grammar on that horrible Hans-Zimmer scores blog.
mgbube is legend.
mark g. also ;)
this is mgbube for areozz my dear friend previous statement of me is not official press release by corporate monster disney corporation nor hans zimmer tis word of mouth from highly reliable source my friend fred works in entertainment industry and has let on imminent release plans for this so called masterpiece score the lion king believe it or not but it shall occur in due time as was announced by me oh and another thing my friend i am from africa and not familiar in my language with punctuation in fact i consider offensive your trying to berate me about it if you want proper punctuation please eat grammar book thanks mgbube
Heh, cool story bro.
A lot of what you said doesn't mean much to me; about the only thing I got out was that you suggested I go eat a grammar book....? That's kind of weird. So there are languages that don't use punctuation? Because other than that, your grammar is better than some posts I've seen here and elsewhere.
Nit-picking aside, if you've been following some of the pages on this site, you'd know that we've already encountered two people this summer alone claiming to have music (much sought-after music like this score, mind you) and then the music never got shared. Everyone got angry, and each time it happens, we lose a bit of trust toward those who say something new is coming along. Some people refuse to believe in something's existence until we have proof, and sometimes the "I heard it from a friend of a friend" story isn't reliable. So you can understand my reluctance to believe your story, eh?
this is mgbube for areozz my friend i see where you are coming from and i accept your apology i have no ill feelings toward you please engage in friendly discussion thanks mgbube
soooo, mgbube, where is the supposed to be the released lion king score in the end of 2011? ;) if you haven't noticed, we have the year 2012 now. So, nice friends you have.
Yes, mgbube: whatever did happen to this plan? It seems this friend of a friend story has played out much like many before it...
I can't even recall what was in the posts they censored out.
this is mgbube score will be released on itunes soon
which score? the same as here in mono? or the real one?
What's the release date? Would be cool if this is true!!! :)
Really? Source of this information, please?
Source is the recent Hans Zimmer interview with Daniel Schweiger. Hans doesn't explicitly say that it is coming out, or that it is coming to iTunes or anything, but the way he talks about the subject clearly means that wheels are in motion for this one. At least it occurred to me that this time around he is talking about "finding tapes of ideas that no one else have ever heard" and "exchanging ideas with some Disney records executive", all of which seem to be pretty much in the same spirit as the way he hinted those Pirates 3 unreleased theme suites in a similar interview back in the days. We all remember how that then turned into the "Soundtrack Treasure Collection" set.
I think I read somewhere that a blu-ray treatment of Lion King is under way. If there is any release planned for the score, I think it is more sensible for it to coincide with blu-ray's street date. But we will see.
Yeh, I'm familiar with that interview (fingers crossed, though I hope it's the actual unedited complete score and not just a CD of alternates and demos like PoTC got). I was just curious about the iTunes idea which mgbube mentioned, because that isn't mentioned anywhere in the interview.
The street date for the Diamond Edition Blu-ray is October 4th. Blu-ray 3D + Blu-ray + DVD + Digital Copy. I had thought the same thing, that maybe there would be a complete score release around the time of the Blu-ray. We shall see.