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Thanks for the responses everyone! I'm still confused though, is there anyone who could post an updated track list including track times? - Also, are all tracks off speed, or only a couple of them? - Is Hyenas an "Alternate" for the mouse scene, or, an "Unused" cue for the scene before "Be Prepared"? (It's possible that the same melody is reprised of course) - Does To Die For belong before the Stampede then? Or where would you put it in your list?
I'm sure "Hyenas" was supposed to be used before the song "Be prepared", as Scar and the hyenas are talking. But director probably said "finally, I don't want any music here". Sometimes, directors decide to change things... Sometimes there already is too much music in the movie, and people decide to move / delete some cues. The movie doesn't necessarily use every bit of music written. What's on that CD is the original music as composed by Zimmer, nothing else. This is Zimmer's vision, not the director's one. I don't care if it is in the movie or not, that cue is really great and mimicks hyenas's laugh with saxophone, what a great idead !
A modified version of the "Hyenas" track is used in the beginning of the movie when Scar plays with the mouse. There's no saxophone, but the melody (though bearly hearable) is exactly the same.
Hi Soundguy, You're right, but, as Brian said : DVD versions are, most times, faster than film versions. I mean, what you're listening IN the movie, isn't the right speed of the music. Try to compare film version & official CD. Music in film is always a bit quicker. The way the music was composed is, nevertheless, the version you can listen on CD. If you prefer to listen exactly what's in movie, I understand. But I personnaly prefer to listen what was originally intented by the composer, and not what DVD's limitations had brought us.
About the mono tracks, I've heard that the complete score original CD was produced in 1994 (to promote the movie in theaters) and had important scratches on it (11 years after... I can understand). There was some kind of remastering to limit the noises in the music of the bootleg CD. The mono tracks could have an explanation there : to limit noises and scratches. That sounds ok to me, since only the middle tracks are in mono : maybe only the middle of the CD's surface was full of scratches, not the other sections.
I hope that they will edit another version of the score, with full stereo all along ! ;)
"Hyenas" is an unused track, I am positive. It's not heard ANYWHERE in the movie, I am sure, I checked at least 6 times. It is from the recording sessions of the movie, a part of the unused (maybe composed early) by hans Zimmer. I think "...To Die For" is from the Zazu Sings scene. If not, I'd say it is from the recording sessions too. Cheers! :-)
Thanks Mr Tweedy for your comment. I read earlier on in the messageboard that you would have to ramp them back up to 48 KHz. I did that but there were still a couple of tracks that sounded off (Alternate 4 was the one that got be started). I had a copy of the Lion King DVD to hand so I checked it out on there. The 48 Khz track was still considerably lower in pitch than the one on the DVD. I played around with it for a while and found that if you take it that little bit further up to 49 Khz it sounds as it does on the DVD.
Just to be sure I did this with the other tracks on the DVD and it seemed to be the case for nearly all of them. I know that 49 KHz doesn't seem right but it does sound more like the DVD than the 48 KHz version.
Soundguy, did you use a PAL DVD for comparison by any chance? PAL material (including sound) runs about 4% faster than film, so this could be the reason for the pitches not matching.
I've got a question. Somebody posted this corrected track list: 1. Circle of Life 3. The Once and Future King 4. Plotting 5. The Elephant Graveyard 6. Kings of the Past (Correction - Simba's Lesson) 8. Stampede (Correction - Be Prepared) 2. Life Isn't Fair Is It (Correction - To Die For) 10. What have you done? (Correction - Stampede) 11. Alternate 1 (Correction - Run Away) 12. A New Era / Bowling For Buzzards 13. On Our Side 7. Hyenas (Correction - We've got a bone to pick with you) (etc.)
Now, two cues are unclear to me. One is the track "Hyenas" (7). Does this belong after On our side, or as the 2nd track, as somebody else suggested? Plus, where does track 9 fit in? (To Die for 1:19)?
In response to the posting by zac - I apologise to the people who may have taken offence to my previous comment, I am very sorry. You're absolutely right, the circumstances surroundiig such a bootleg release give me no right to suggest that you are 'unfair'. I just really wanted to get a hold of this thing....
You're almost right Soundguy. In fact, you have to resample to 48Khz. 48Khz is the usual sample rate for making music, but you have to resample your songs to 44,1Khz to put them on CD. The guy who copied the master made a mistake while immediately copying 48Khz (master) to 44,1Khz (CD). Just do the reverse tip (paste the actual 44,1Khz tracks to 48Khz, and THEN use the resample tool to put the music to 44,1Khz before burning the CD).
Now you listen to the tracks as they were recorded, and not their "slow motion" version ! (slo-mo for "This Is My Home was particularly horrible !) :P
Whoever posted the sample rate change was right. They have been incorrectly resampled for CD.
Just for everyone's information though, to get the tracks back up to what the masters should sound like (as they are mixed in the film), you will need to resample them up to 49 Khz. They were dropped in the original mix and then dropped again by whoever did the bootleg for some reason....
This bootleg was probably made by someone who had access to it during the production of the Lion King DVD back in 2003 because parts of it can be heard in various submenus on the DVD, so I think it's unlikely that a stereo version will appear in the near future.
Have you guys thought about signing a petition and sending it to Disney and Hans Zimmer to have them master this and put it out on Vinyl in full beautiful analog sound?
I know I would sign on for that...with a few different names.
I've been trying to pickup just the regular TLK on Vinyl and it's next to impossible, not to mention the Special Edition one, but this, this is the stuff of dreams.
I still don't understand. Why would someone encode some tracks in mono and the rest in stereo? I bet the very person who made this bootleg in the first place is aware of the situation so why we don't have a fixed version by now is beyond me. It's a pitty that no matter what I do, I can't make the mono tracks sound any better.
Shame on you Walt Disney Records for not releasing a higly acclaimed score. Shame, shame, shame!
Ahh! Finally. All the music from my all time favorite movie! Sure, I may be 16. But I'll always have a soft spot for the lion king. I went almost batty trying to find Kings of the Past...but I have it now and it's awesome!
I first heard about this while I was browsing the Lion King newsgroup on Google Groups...it's not as active as it used to be, but it has still proven helpful! ;)
I don't know if it was ever mentioned or not but can someone PLEASE tell me why some of the tracks are mono? It doesn't make sense for half of album to be in stereo and the other be in such crude cindition.
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