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Ha! As I always suspected, EDI's Sacrifice was co-written by an MV/RC guy. It was just too obvious...<br><br>It's weird to see BT's electronic/transe sound mixed up with a classic MV/RC sound, but I kinda like it. I admit, when I first heard the score I wasn't terribly impressed (aside from Thailand and EDI's Sacrifice), but now I'm warming up to it. The Rabin/Zimmer influence is quite obvious, so that's a good reason to give it a listen. <br><br>Come to think of it, BT needs to do a score with Junkie XL. Now THAT would be a great combo. They should team up for the next Mad Max movie. It will be a madhouse of a score. lol.Hybrid doesn't like the FYC because of how much it butchers Steve's original themes and doesn't include additional composer credits. I believe that was the reason.The FYC score was complete. And it's out since november last yearIs there a complete score out there? If not, don't be surprised there's nothing here yet. Sometimes it takes years before a complete score listing pops on this site.Why no listing here for the complete score?
Because they didn't work direcly in this score, but their material from the previous one was reused.Does anyone know why some of the composer names are in brackets? Thanks!thanks4:05 of "STEALTH" some of the best soulful action music I've heard from a Zimmer score. I wonder who wrote that particular section. This the type of stuff I would play trying to rush a pregnant woman to the hospitalIn case he's visiting this site, I wanna say 'Thank You' to Ashton Gleckman who does the 'Behind the Score' episodes on YouTube. I loved the 1-hour episode for the Transformers scores and I actually learned a lot. Very educational. I found the video by accident and now I plan on watching his other videos as well.<br><br>Job well done, my friend.
@Hybrid <br>You don't add anymore Trevor Morris things ?Probably for chronological purposes<br>even though the movie uses a shortened version of Romanian Wind at that timei saw the movie a couple of weeks ago again and the showdown in the school is very well shot and intense and trevors music is effective there. you can hear track 8 and 19 in that scene. a really good action scene.<br>===============================<br><br><br>I agree. <br><br>And I think at the end of the day the movie itself is not the type of movie that could win people over with its score. No matter how successful and popular it is and no matter how good the score is. I Am Number 4 was part of the YA craze that took over Hollywood a few years back (we all know how people feel about those movies), and even the most successful YA movies (like Twilight) are not exactly known for their scores.<br><br>People - even film critics who are supposed to talk about all aspects of the movie - were too busy talking about half-naked characters and Kristen Stewart's acting..... and completely ignoring the good work done by Alexandre Desplat.<br><br>It was pretty much the same with I Am Number Four...<br><br>It's not that Trevor created a "bad" score, it's simply a case of a nice, little score that went under the radar. No one bothered to talk about it..... Just like his score for Torque, which as far as I'm concerned is one of his best scores.I just find it odd how people gravitate to the triumphant or inspirational music first, rather than the more subtle, unique pieces.<br>===========================<br><br><br>I totally get what you're saying. I also get kinda frustrated when a "big" track overshadows an entire score. The best recent examples are IMO the Transformers scores. I don't blame folks for gravitating towards the epic sound and the power anthems, but A LOT of subtle, equally great tracks end up getting completely ignored. And just like you, they're usually my favorite tracks. <br><br>But why most people don't think like us?<br><br>The reason I think is because those "big tracks" are presented - most of the time - during the most memorable moments in those movies. They immediately get people's attention. They're stuck in their mind along with those iconic images. And I think by nature, people are more attracted to the big and "in your face". For most casual listeners the more subtle tracks work in the context of the movie and they absolutely do notice them while watching the actual film. But unlike you and I they don't feel the need to listen to them separately. They're too busy paying attention to the "big track". That goes even for some score fans.<br><br>While tracks like the Star War theme, the Indy theme, the Transformers theme, the Gladiator theme, the Godfather theme, the Armageddon theme, the Pirates theme, the Lord of the Rings theme are so big, melodic abd easily digestable that folks simply can't resist them. And when there are vocals involved as well (like Gladiator) it's even better, because people treat it as a full-blown song. An emotional song that they can listen to over and over again.<br><br>The subtle tracks simply can't win against that. Sadly....<br><br>By the way, speaking of The Island, My Name is Lincoln (as much as I like it) is not my favorite track of the score. The more subtle opening track (The Island Awaits You) and especially the Lima One Alpha theme are my personal favorite tracks. Of course, they're nowhere near My Name is Lincoln, in terms of popularity.<br>Why is Romanian Wind not sequenced after Case Re-Opened? Is not the former 7M48 and the latter 7M47?
Yeah that is true, canít argue there lol<br><br>And is it me or does ďCalypso Must Be ReleasedĒ sound like Black Hawk Down?To be fair there is a lot of King Arthur in At World's End too. Just the general feeling you get from the action tracks in both scores is virtually identical. Hell, one of the main themes from King Arthur even appears when Bootstrap Bill remembers that Will is his son.@MrTweedy<br>Thatís totally fine, everyone has their own favorite HZ scores, which is awesome!<br><br>Itís funny though, I feel like DMC is far more schizophrenic than AWE. Now donít get me wrong, I absolutely love DMC. Itís the score that got me into Hans Zimmer. But still, I feel like a major part of that score is note-for-note reprises of cues/themes from COTBP. Not to mention the temp tracking of King Arthur.<br><br>AWE always felt far more original to me, especially considering that the entire tone of the music shifts from the ďrockínírollĒ sound of the first two to a more traditional score (at least by Hans Zimmer standards lol)@MrTweedy<br><br>Just curious, what scores do you considered to be Zimmer's best?The Pinnacle of Hans' career?<br>Although I really like this score, I don't agree. But hey, I know it's just a matter of opinion, okay? ;)<br><br>Of course it shows Hans strengths in almost every area (action, drama, romance, comedy...) but for me it's too much of a medley of previous works, without much personality.<br>It feels a bit like a palette with too many colors. From the action sequences borrowed from Drop Zone, to the Morricone inspirations for Jack's Sequences, to Gladiator's duduk that ended up there with no real reason, to a beautiful Love Theme that brings another new shape to the sonic identity... it's like the score sometimes goes schizophrenic.<br><br>Though each individual idea is really enjoyable to listen to, I think Hans has made scores that are much more cohesive and enjoyable as a whole!
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Conductor - Orchestrator
Mark MancinaTrevor RabinPaul LinfordNick Glennie-Smith
ComposerComposerScore ProducerConductor
Con Air
Label: Hollywood Records
Length: 44'57
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  1. Con Air Theme (1:31)
    Mark Mancina, Trevor Rabin
  2. Trisha (1:04)
    Mark Mancina, Trevor Rabin
  3. Carson City (3:04)
    Mark Mancina, Trevor Rabin
  4. Lear Crash (4:44)
    Mark Mancina, Trevor Rabin
  5. Lerner Landing (3:28)
    Mark Mancina, Trevor Rabin
  6. Romantic Chaos (1:22)
    Mark Mancina, Trevor Rabin
  7. The Takeover (3:52)
    Mark Mancina, Trevor Rabin
  8. The Discharge (1:09)
    Mark Mancina, Trevor Rabin
  9. Jailbirds (0:59)
    Trevor Rabin
  10. Cons Check Out Lerner (1:55)
    Mark Mancina, Trevor Rabin
  11. Poe Saves Cops (2:25)
    Mark Mancina, Trevor Rabin
  12. The Fight (0:22)
    Trevor Rabin
  13. Battle In The Boneyard (7:41)
    Mark Mancina, Trevor Rabin
  14. Poe Meets Larkin (1:14)
    Mark Mancina, Trevor Rabin
  15. Bedlam Larkin (0:49)
    Trevor Rabin
  16. Fire Truck Chase (4:22)
    Mark Mancina, Trevor Rabin
  17. Overture (4:18)
    Mark Mancina, Trevor Rabin
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Bayhem reply Replies: 3 || 2018-04-02 21:55:15
I think it's safe to say that this is the MV/RC score that our "favorite" Filmtracks guy hates the most. I don't care about critics in general (I read some stuff simply for entertainment), I just find it amusing how much he hates this one.

Yes, it's very loud and harsh and frenetic. But calling it a "wretched piece of work" is a bit over-the-top. At least in my opinion. What's your opinion on this one, folks?


Edmund Meinerts2018-04-02 22:10:28
I used to not like it all that much and it's still a bit of a cheap-sounding mess, but like most of the late-90s MV scores, it has aged well, with memorable themes and a sense of fun that elevates it above many a joyless, droning RC score of today.


mpolonest123 2018-04-02 22:24:08
I used to hate this score (in context) just based on the villainís theme, which is about as cliched an evil motif as you can get. That being said, this score really has aged well and may be the dumbest, if not one of the most fun MV scores out there. It also helps that both Mark Mancina and Trevor Rabin are extremely talented.


Bayhem2018-04-02 23:54:59
Agreed. Compared to a lot of more recent MV/RC scores, this one holds up extremely well. It works better. Having said that, I think this would've been a way better score if Rabin was by himself. Think about it, his style, his rock n roll approach is just perfect for a movie like Con Air. Mancina - even though I like him a lot - seems to be out of place, as far as this project is concerned. The only reason Rabin wasn't by himself is that he was at the start of his career and Mancina at that point was everywhere (Bad Boys, Speed, Twister, Fair Game...).

The two have very different styles actually, and maybe that's why this score doesn't sit well with some people. I'm sure it would've been received way better if it was composed by Rabin and HGW. I mean, just look at Armageddon!

Ds reply Replies: 0 || 2014-06-09 23:45:11
What a fun score... Just watched the movie again, reminded me of the good old times. Huge and fun action flicks with this old, classic RC sound... I need more movies like Face/Off, The Rock and this one.

Ele reply Replies: 2 || 2009-10-13 00:00:00
Who made which cue? Anyone knows?


El Baradei2012-12-28 17:14:05
Michel Legrand co-composed Track 12, The Fight. It seemed to be really necessary because it lasts 22 seconds.


Mike2012-12-29 09:21:02
^ lol ^

asdf reply Replies: 0 || 2009-07-30 00:00:00
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nick reply Replies: 0 || 2008-03-16 00:00:00
very good

aRRR reply Replies: 0 || 2008-01-05 00:00:00
Probably a very underrated score, i like it!

airmax reply Replies: 0 || 2008-01-01 00:00:00
very good score

Alonso reply Replies: 0 || 2007-10-09 00:00:00
very good!

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