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Bayhem reply Replies: 0 || 2020-02-21 07:59:19
I really hope that for the inevitable sequel they dump the songs and focus a bit more on the actual score. I listened to the album again and there's definitely a lot that they can expand upon.

Mike Bay (through his movies) is one of the "founders" of the MV/RC sound so it sucks to see him relying on so much freakin' songs nowadays. And it's not only him.....

That's why themes have disappeared. Composers just don't have the chance to create more. And I'm sure it's frustrating for them to deal with all of this. So don't blame ONLY the composer when a score doesn't feel satisfying enough. God knows how many other people have a say in all of this...

Cynical Makooti reply Replies: 23 || 2020-02-10 22:40:11
Another day, another Bay film that doesn't know what fun is.

At least the score's alright.


Bayhem2020-02-11 07:42:03
Good one!

I love jokes.


Cynical Makooti2020-02-11 16:13:41
Is that why you love Bay?


MrZimmerFan2020-02-11 16:55:29
Because people likes movies and music from different people.

That call taste


Bayhem2020-02-12 07:48:35
Is that why you love Bay?
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Yes.

I love his style, his taste in film music and of course - his movies. Been a fan of his for more than 25 years. As to why I love his movies? Simple: they deliver exactly on what they promise. Clean and clear.


Bayhem2020-02-12 07:52:24
Because people likes movies and music from different people.

That call taste
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Exactly.

Sadly, there will always be certain people on the internet who live under the impression that their own views and opinions are the absolute, objective truth. Which is quite ironic, considering the fact that appreciating movies and music is one of the most subjective things in the world.


Cynical Makooti2020-02-12 10:50:40
MrZimmerFan: And yet, I'm not the one swooping in to tell someone else their opinion's wrong, at a post that wasn't even directed at him in the first place. Funny how that works.


Cynical Makooti2020-02-12 11:00:02
Bayhem: His films from Pearl Harbor onwards have been bloated tonally-muddled blobs that take every step they can to be antithetical to what makes a good action movie, and as such definitely AREN'T what they promise. Not to me.

What talent he DOES have rears its head in the odd sequence, but "sequence" is the key word. His films are significantly less than the sum of their parts.

The way people talk about Bay sometimes, you'd think he'd be making films like Pacific Rim or 300, action spectacles that're far more razor-focused, honest, and FUN than anything he's made in the last 20 years.

But hey, you do you.


MrZimmerFan2020-02-12 12:43:59
You saying movies like 13 Hours or Pain & Gain are bad?, there the best of Bay in years!

Now you're swooping around of people's opinion.


Bayhem2020-02-13 11:38:26
bloated tonally-muddled blobs that take every step they can to be antithetical to what makes a good action movie,
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Marvel movies are also bloated. Not to mention the recent Batman/Superman movies. 'Bloated' is what summer blockbusters are.

Besides, Bay recently made two movies that are anything but 'bloated' - Pain and Gain and 13 Hours. Pain and Gain is not even an action movie. 13 Hours is a war drama. One of the best ones, according to actual servicemen and servicewomen.


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Pacific Rim or 300, action spectacles that're far more razor-focused, honest, and FUN than anything he's made in the last 20 years.
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Funny thing.........both of those movies you mentioned tried to start a franchise and they FAILED. Big time. Pacific Rim 1 barely survived, thanks to China, and the proof that people really didn't care about that movie is the fact that the sequel was a complete and utter disaster. One of the biggest box office bombs.

So using those movies as an anti-Bay examples doesn't really work.

And while those movies failed to start franchises, Bay created one of the biggest film franchises in history - Transformers. He made 5 (that is FIVE!) Transformers movies. You don't get to do that if people aren't enjoying those movies.

It doesn't mean you're not allowed to have an opinion on them, but to completely dismiss them is simply wrong.

Cheers!


Cynical Makooti2020-02-14 22:58:38
"Marvel movies are also bloated. Not to mention the recent Batman/Superman movies. 'Bloated' is what summer blockbusters are."

When a Marvel movie is absurdly long it at least tries to EARN that length, and even then don't get dragged down by as many detours as the average Bay film. Bay walks the lines between being self-serious and comical, but his films aren't well=written enough to serve the former, or witty enough to serve the latter, and the end-result is droll and annoying.

That's not what a good blockbuster is. A good blockbuster is light on its feet and pulse-pounding, while also knowing how to pace its thrills so nothing gets too numbing, all anchored around likable, if simple leads. If it needs to be long it needs to earn it.

The first POTC earns it. The Bad Boys 2 doesn't. Infinity War earns it. TF 1/2/3/4/5 doesn't.

I don't know why you're dragging Batman v. Superman into this, seeing as I didn't care for it, and neither did a lot of other people, for those very same reasons. You're not disproving anything, you're highlighting why this "style" doesn't work.

Fitting, as Synder and Bay are cut from a very similar cloth. Difference is, unless we're talking Man of Steel, I'd sooner rely on Snyder for consistently good action sequences.

"Funny thing.........both of those movies you mentioned tried to start a franchise and they FAILED. Big time. Pacific Rim 1 barely survived, thanks to China, and the proof that people really didn't care about that movie is the fact that the sequel was a complete and utter disaster. One of the biggest box office bombs."

Selective memory is very unbecoming.

300 didn't try to start a franchise. It was a one-off adaptation of a graphic novel in the same vein as Sin City, and was successful. They tried to make a cash-grab sequel almost a decade later, without Snyder, and it failed. That's hardly the first film's fault.

Pacific Rim suffered from lackluster marketing, and yet still managed to turn a profit and attract a strong following. Bringing up the sequel is moot seeing as it both one, took way too long to come out, and two, didn't even have Guillermo del Toro involved, who was a huge part of what made the first film work in the first place, even more than Snyder was for the first 300. Those had a far bigger impact on the sequel bombing than "people really didn't care about the first movie."

It was BECAUSE people liked the first film so much that Uprising flopped, because Uprising compared so damn poorly without all the talent that made the first film such a blast.

Versus something like Transformers, which has piggybacked on an established IP, relentless marketing campaigns and tie-ins, and a fairly consistent release schedule. And even then, recycling the same bullshit eventually took its toll.

Friendly reminder that AoE also relied on China (more pathetically then even Pacific Rim did) to compensate for diminishing domestic returns. To say nothing of TLK outright bombing.

I know you like debunking Bay naysayers with "facts and logic," but it helps to not be grossly disingenuous while doing it.


Ds2020-02-15 01:27:51
I'm with Bayhem in this fight.

The thing is, there are two kinds of blockbusters:

First, the ones that the likes of Bay and Snyder are doing. They try, first and foremost, to be stylish, using crazy camerawork, gorgeous cinematography, rely a lot on editing techniques, epic music, nervous action scenes, etc. These films unfortunately don't always really care about screenplay or characters, but they care about an experience. I'd add a movie like Fury Road in that category.

Then, the ones Marvel Studios and Disney are doing more and more: inconsequential spectacle riddled with jokes/one-liners, colours, fan-service, loads of CGI but nothing special in the directing or the visual style. The story is simple, straightforward, without any complexity so that even kids can follow. Bad screenplays? Not really (at least, not always), so critics will give it a pass. Audiences will not discover anything new, they will not be afraid, they will not feel any danger, they will just have some laughs, see some sci-fi CGI moving around, see their heroes and a reminder to come back 3 months later for the sequel.

Personally I'd rather see a flawed film from the 1st category, than an OK one from the 2nd category. But that's just my opinion.


Cynical Makooti2020-02-16 20:24:05
@Ds
Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.

In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.

I already discussed 300 and Pacific Rim. Clearly deep scripts aren't what I'm aiming for here when I talk about good blockbusters.

What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.

300's a great example of this, though unfortunately a lot of Snyder's other work isn't, and Bay is close behind. Their films get bogged with way too much obnoxious bullshit to make the odd sequence worth it.

The Scorponok sequence from TF1, the warehouse fight from BvS, that's real standout stuff. Stuff that loses a lot of its luster when surrounded by two-and-a-half, or god forbid THREE, hours of self-serious pretense, lazy humor, and/or annoying characters.

And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.

They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole, and need to learn to consolidate their efforts into something that brings out their best and subdues their worst. Snyder in particular has SERIOUSLY misjudged where his talent is lately.


Bayhem2020-02-17 13:49:12
Bay walks the lines between being self-serious and comical, but his films aren't well=written enough to serve the former, or witty enough to serve the latter, and the end-result is droll and annoying.
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You sure you're not a "writer" for one of those ridiculous geek sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Slash Film? Because you sound a lot like one of those "beloved" writers.

Anyway......Yes, Bay's movies always walk that line but whether that works or not is........Yes! a matter of opinion. For me, Pain and Gain is one of the best modern satires while for you it is - I'm guessing - "droll and annoying".

It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain.

Some of you folks are indeed very hard to please.


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The first POTC earns it. The Bad Boys 2 doesn't. Infinity War earns it. TF 1/2/3/4/5 doesn't.
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Okay, now that statement is the best joke of the year! Thank you for the good laugh! Really! Oh, and I've definitely argued with you before, my friend. You are clearly one of those ten Bay haters from the IMDb forums who claim to hate everything the man does, yet they have seen EVERYTHING he had done. Why is that, I wonder?


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Fitting, as Synder and Bay are cut from a very similar cloth. Difference is, unless we're talking Man of Steel, I'd sooner rely on Snyder for consistently good action sequences
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Well, I would trust Spielberg on this. Because it was Spielberg who said, and I quote: "Michael (Bay) is one of the greatest action directors. He has the best eye in Hollywood." Spielberg works with a lot of directors. But he never said anything like that about any other director. So clearly he means what he says about Bay. And....you know......unlike most people, Speilberg actually knows a thing or two about filmmaking.


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300 didn't try to start a franchise. It was a one-off adaptation of a graphic novel in the same vein as Sin City, and was successful. They tried to make a cash-grab sequel almost a decade later, without Snyder, and it failed. That's hardly the first film's fault.
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It is a clear proof that people weren't that excited to visit this world again. And mind you, that happened with the first sequel! Talk about a one-time thing, huh?

At the same time, Bay made FOUR Transformers movies - with different casts - before there were any signs of audience fatigue.

That speaks for itself.

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Pacific Rim suffered from lackluster marketing, and yet still managed to turn a profit and attract a strong following.
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Excuses, excuses, excuses.....So you can display all the excuses in the world for Pac Rim but when it comes to Transformers, you don't accept anything.

Double standard much?

P.S. That "strong following" is on the internet. The same following that was supposed to make Scott Pillgrim a huge hit. Everyone knows that internet hype is not real-world hype. I know very well the type of people who act as if Pac Rim is the best thing since sliced bread. Total geeks who are angry that Transformers is much more popular and much more successful than Del Toro's "let's shoot all the robot fights in pitch black so audiences can't see shit" movie.

Also, let's not pretend that Pac Rim is a universally beloved film. You know very well that there are A LOT of detractors as well. That's what you get when people can't tell what's going on during the movie because you shot it all at night. Just like that Godzilla movie.


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Versus something like Transformers, which has piggybacked on an established IP, relentless marketing campaigns and tie-ins, and a fairly consistent release schedule. And even then, recycling the same bullshit eventually took its toll.
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Wrong.

Do you read Forbes? You should. Because it's a place where objective people write. It ain't a stupid militant film geek site like Ain't it Cool News or Screen Rant.

Forbes published multiple articles explaining in great detail why the Transformers movies were successful EXACTLY because they were directed by Bay. Whether you like it or not, my friend, Bay is a brand. He is an auteur. There were multiple polls before the first two Transformers movies and Bay being the director was one of the main reasons for people to watch the movies.

But I guess you missed all of that, huh?

How convenient.


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Friendly reminder that AoE also relied on China (more pathetically then even Pacific Rim did) to compensate for diminishing domestic returns. To say nothing of TLK outright bombing.
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First: according to ACTUAL real data, the only TF movie that was saved by China is.......Bumblebee! Yeah, you better believe it. Go to Deadline and Forbes and read it for yourself.

Second: TLK bombed domestically, yes.
But not internationally. No one with actual knowledge of the situation refers to that movie as an international "bomb". Besides, there were 4 super successful TF movies before TLK. So Bay got nothing to prove. He already created one of the biggfest film franchises in history.

How many directors can say that?



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I know you like debunking Bay naysayers with "facts and logic," but it helps to not be grossly disingenuous while doing it
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Goes both ways, my friend. But unlike most naysayers, I don't treat my own personal opinions as facts. And if I'm being "disingenuous" then I don't even know what to say about some Bay haters who refuse to accept even the most obvious facts and truths.


Bayhem2020-02-17 14:10:16
Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.
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Kinda ironic, coming from you....but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you!

And yes, he sides with me because what I say is common sense. For whatever reason, you have these strong negative feelings toward Bay films and those feelings blind you to some pretty obvious truths.

Have to say tho - for a 'hater' you sure know A LOT about him, his style and his movies.

Just admit it - you are a huge Bay fan but you just want to score some points with the snobbish internet crowd.



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In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.
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Oh, you're one of THOSE people......"Fury Roaaaaaaaaad is DA BEST FILM EVAAAAAAAA".

Let me guess: you also think that Nolan is the greatest director/person of all time. On par with Jesus himself.



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What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.
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Which is what Transformers 1 is.

Which is why the movie connected with audiences. It was - at its heart - a story about a boy and his car. Even the most jaded critics enjoyed that aspect.


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And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.
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Excuse? For what?

My friend, you do realize that Bay in particular is one of the most powerful and successful filmmakers of all time, right? He is the second highest-grossing director of all time (domestically), only behind Spielberg. You can dismiss box office success all you want but you don't get to where Bay is if you're not good at your job.

Snyder is nowhere near Bay, in terms of success and influence. Personally, I don't care much about him.


P.S. Guy Ritchie (and Edgar Wright) are huge Bay fans. Ask yourself why.


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They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole
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Your opinion.

I disagree.


Cynical Makooti2020-02-17 14:50:52
"It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain."

I didn't think it was possible for a Bay fan of all people to be this insufferably pretentious.

I thought that was more Snyder fanboy territory.

But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."

Kudos, man. Kudos.

You can hide behind however many fallacies you want. If "Not to me" and "You do you" didn't give it away early on in this thread, I DIDN'T try to treat my opinions as fact.

But that doesn't mean I'm going to add a little "IMO" at the end of every goddamn sentence just to coddle you.

On the flip-side, consistently making appeals to authority and popularity, "B-b-but Spielberg said!", "B-b-but the Forbes poll said!" don't make you objective.

Y'know, it's funny. When I listed off better blockbuster examples, you could've very easily just argued against them on the level of the films themselves, and everything would've been fine.

Sure, you would've just claimed you can't see the action at night sooner, which is rich when you praise the film series that puts the subjects of its action scenes OUT OF FOCUS every other shot, but hey, that's just honest opinions versus honest opinions.

But using two belated half-assed sequels from different, less talented directors that lost most of the appeal of the first movies, as some sorta litmus test for how well-liked the first movies were, is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard. That's not objectivity, that's not even confusing correlation with causation, that's saying 1+2=4.

That's the real joke here. Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact. I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here. It's psychotic.

Bad movies make money. Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality. But if that's the kinda road you wanna go down, I guess movies like Avatar, The Force Awakens, or all the Avengers movies, are "objectively" better movies in every conceivable way than anything Bay has made in his entire career. I mean, CLEARLY those films must have a bolder style and push more boundaries.

Why else would more people watch and rewatch them, right?

Reasonable causation is for those goshdarn geek journos.

And by the way, The Last Knight lost money. Period. Almost 100M according to Paramount themselves.

That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.

Have a nice day.


Bayhem2020-02-17 22:19:54
But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."
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Why do Bay naysayers pretend that Bay only directs TF movies? It's very interesting...... Pretty much all complaints against Bay are connected to the TF movies.

Newsflash: Bay was a proven and very successful action filmmaker wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before TF1.

So no, "challenging the viewer" is not about Transformers. You chose to focus on these movies. Not me. I was actually reffering to Bay movies like The Island and especially Pain and Gain.

But I guess you like to talk only about Transformers.....Good for you. But that's not how a discussion works.


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Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact. I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here. It's psychotic.
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So let me get this straight: trying to be as objective as possible, in a non-threating way, quoting people who actually know what they're talking about and certainly not treating my opinion as fact, makes me......psychotic?

Wow! Just wow!

Next time, I'll just act like a complete jerk, insulting everyone and everything. For you, that is apparently the normal behavior.


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Bad movies make money. Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.
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Reviews, RT scores, and crappy film blog "think pieces" are also not proof of quality. Also, a "bad" movie to you is the greatest movie for the guy walking next to you on the street. As Kevin Smith said: "Every movie is someone's favorite movie".

Let's try to keep that in mind.


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That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.
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Really?

Then what do you have to say about Pacific Rim 1. I present to you.......the pure numbers:

Budget: $200 million. And that doesn't include the marketing cost.
Worldwide gross: $411,002,906

So that flick, according to you, turned a profit.......but TLK - budget of also $200 million and with a worldwide gross of $605 million..........is a bomb?

Wow! Just.....wow!


HunterTech2020-02-18 00:18:34
Can we stop? I agree with the other guy more in his points, but it's clear that this is gonna keep going nowhere if you're gonna be so overly defensive about something that you claim is merely subjective.


Cynical Makooti2020-02-18 19:07:42
"Why do Bay naysayers pretend that Bay only directs TF movies? It's very interesting...... Pretty much all complaints against Bay are connected to the TF movies.

Newsflash: Bay was a proven and very successful action filmmaker wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before TF1."

Newsflash: I avoided bringing up the TF films in this thread until AFTER you dragged them into it. Only then did I treat them as fair game. Considering they make up a third of his filmography, I don't see why I SHOULDN'T address them. How convenient is it that bringing them up is only ever valid when YOU do it?

More to the point, I already said I thought his decline kicked in from Pearl Harbor onwards. The TF films are just his rock bottom.

"So let me get this straight: trying to be as objective as possible, in a non-threating way, quoting people who actually know what they're talking about and certainly not treating my opinion as fact, makes me......psychotic."

Going after every person that doesn't like Bay and trying to obsessively "debunk" them is psychotic, yes. And constantly referring to other people's opinions and whinging about the box office doesn't make you objective, especially with how self-contradictory the latter has been.

Pain & Gain and 13 Hours, his supposedly best films, also have his lowest box office turnouts. 13 Hours was a flat-out bomb. By your own "objective" reasoning, this would make them his worst films. But you don't acknowledge that, because you don't actually care about objectivity.

You care about faking it when it suits you, and chucking it when it doesn't.

"Next time, I'll just act like a complete jerk, insulting everyone and everything."

What do you mean "next time?" Your first reply here was calling my opinion a joke. You already have this method down. You're just too dishonest to admit it.

Notice how I avoided accusing you of anything until AFTER you started outright lying about movies and flaunting it as objective fact.

You insulted ME first, pal. I didn't insult you for anything other than lying to win an argument. Not for your opinions, not for your celebrity crush, for being a disingenuous twat.

Your lack of self-awareness is astounding.

"Reviews, RT scores, and crappy film blog "think pieces" are also not proof of quality."

Then it's a good thing I never quoted a single one of those, let alone as objective proof, isn't it?

Man, appeal to authority, appeal to popularity, mistaking correlation for causation, slothful induction, strawmanning, I could make a bingo game outta this.

"So that flick, according to you, turned a profit.......but TLK - budget of also $200 million and with a worldwide gross of $605 million..........is a bomb?"

Not "according to me." According to the studios that make the actual films. And Forbes. Remember Forbes? You considered their word inarguable fact a couple posts ago.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2013/09/02/pacif ic-rim-and-more-domestic-flops-that-became-global-hits/#3f3e 914d7c18

Well whaddaya know?

Pacific Rim was a domestic bomb that turned things around with its international box office.

That thing you said TF5 was but actually wasn't.

The Last Knight lost about $100M according to Paramount themselves. That doesn't sound like an international success to me.

Maybe it does to you, but I can't speak for that little fantasy world you seem to be living in right now.

Wow! Just wow!


Bayhem2020-02-19 10:01:06
I avoided bringing up the TF films in this thread until AFTER you dragged them into it.
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No one dragged anything.

I briefly mentioned that franchise, among many other things you conveniently ignored (you do that a lot), to prove a simple point: that a director doesn't get to make 5 movies from the same franchise if people aren't enjoying his work. Simple as that. I never talked about the "quality" of each of those movies. Go see the comment again.

YOU picked up on this and started talking obsessively about the TF.


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Going after every person that doesn't like Bay and trying to obsessively "debunk" them is psychotic, yes.
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Look at your first comment here, pal. Look at it good! Snarky, dismissive, almost trollish, and with a clear intention to provoke people. Let me quote it: "Another day, another Bay film that doesn't know what fun is."

I only "go after" people who can't share their opinions in a respectful, mature way. There are a lot of comments here I disagreed with. But I never confronted those people. Why? Because they know how to properly share an opinion.

I only go after people who provoke, make fun of someone/something and troll. I've never "attacked" a person who didn't deserve that kind of response. My post history here speaks for itself.


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And constantly referring to other people's opinions and whinging about the box office doesn't make you objective, especially with how self-contradictory the latter has been.
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Nope. Not even close.

You're just bitter that I'm using quotes from proven, talented people like Spielberg who support Bay. What quotes can your side use? Just quotes from knucklehead film bloggers and critics who hate half of what Hollywood makes.

No one with an actual integrity and knowledge of the film business can dismiss what Bay has accomplished. You may not like his stuff, but to completely dismiss him as a filmmaker is.......moronic. Truth is, it's only small fries on the internet who are angry that their favorite mid-level directors aren't as big and successful as Bay.

That's really the bottom line.

Speaking of that, who is YOUR favorite filmmaker? Go ahead, share it with us. Let's see who is that PERFECT filmmaker you drool over.

I'm really curious.

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By your own "objective" reasoning, this would make them his worst films. But you don't acknowledge that, because you don't actually care about objectivity.
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Huh??

When did I said that box office success or box office failure means that a movie is good or bad?? I never that. So if you don't mind, stop putting words in my mouth.

Thank you.


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You care about faking it when it suits you, and chucking it when it doesn't
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Kinda ironic coming from the person who ignored the majority of the stuff I said here. Careful cherry-picking, convenient ignoring of stuff, and putting words in my mouth is apparently what you like to do.


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What do you mean "next time?" Your first reply here was calling my opinion a joke.
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Uhhhh, that's because it IS a joke. Because it is not true and because it was posted with the clear intention to provoke. You are the Negative Nancy here, my friend. Not me. Jesus Christ, even your nickname tells people exactly what they can expect from you......"Cynical Makooti".


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I didn't insult you for anything other than lying to win an argument
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Oh, that's true....................you're certainly not winning this argument. I mean, that's obvious.

And..... I never posted a lie. Just because "your sources" claim something different doesn't mean it's the truth. Pacific Rim wasn't a success - considering the huge expactations and the fact that the movie's budget is $200 freakin' million - and they DID try to start a franchise with 300. They failed.


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Your lack of self-awareness is astounding.
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That's rich. Coming from the guy who calls himself "Cynical Makooti". The guy who now plays the victim, even though he was the one who started this with a childish, trollish comment.

Look at my first reply to you. I was jokingly mimicking your style. Intentionally. Then you tried to be a smartass with your next reply. But EVEN THEN, I responded in a normal way with my second post. After that........you unleashed your true self.

And now, you're acting like the victim: "Poor me, being attacked by a crazy Bay fan!"

So please, don't talk about self-awareness. It ain't working.



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Pacific Rim was a domestic bomb that turned things around with its international box office.
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Haha, maybe you should read more Forbes. Take a look at what they said about the entire (already failed) Pac Rim universe. Read a bit more on how much money the studio lost from the first flick and why they actually went with a sequel. It ain't because the first one was a beloved hit.


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The Last Knight lost about $100M according to Paramount themselves. That doesn't sound like an international success to me.
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Okay, I believe you. Now, would you please share the link to that statement from Paramount.

Thank you.


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Maybe it does to you, but I can't speak for that little fantasy world you seem to be living in right now.
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Hey, it's certainly a better and more reasonable place than your world. A world where you completely dismiss and ignore the accomplishments of one of the biggest filmmakers out there.

What's your next claim?

That Donnie Trump is the best President in history?


Have a nice day!


Cynical Makooti2020-02-20 08:21:23
Not bothering with any more of your bullshit. This already gets down to the crux of the issue.

"Look at your first comment here, pal. Look at it good! Snarky, dismissive, almost trollish, and with a clear intention to provoke people."

You chose to take a comment whose only direct provocation was at Bay himself, as a direct insult to YOU.

Despite the fact that Bay and his work were the only things mentioned, despite the fact that those were the only things being dissed, you chose to take it as an attack against YOU.

And when I elaborated on my full opinion, and even capped it off with a "you do you" olive branch, you chose to take it as me "unleashing my true self."

That speaks volumes about your mindset.

Y'know, we could keep talking and going in circles like this.

We could talk about how you keep staking the worth of Bay as filmmaker on how much money he's made (and how much less money action films I considered better made) and then turning around and claiming "B-b-but I didn't say box office was a sign of quality!"

We could talk about how 300 wasn't trying to start a franchise and how you keep pulling that uncited lie out of your ass to write off its merits under the very faint guise of "objectivity."

But that'd all be beside the point.

That point being, how people can only shit on a director according to your arbitrary standards, and how your inherent obsession with "disproving" them or "giving them what they deserve" or whatever self-serious crap you've concocted inside your head is dogmatic fanboyism at BEST.

Nice day indeed.


rockhound2020-02-20 08:49:06
Bay should work with Jerry Bruckheimer again. Except Bad Boys 2 (which was way too long) they made really entertaining films together.


MrZimmerFan2020-02-20 09:20:29
Actually, I prefer BB2 more than Pearl Harbor, thanks!



Bayhem2020-02-21 07:56:37
Bay should work with Jerry Bruckheimer again.
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That is something a lot of people are hoping for :)

The days of The Rock, Armageddon, Pearl Harbor and Bad Boys 2 were awesome. You saw trailers that simply said "From Michael Bay and Jerry Bruckheimer" and audiences knew exactly what they gonna get. Those were some very exciting days.

I don't think we will see another Armageddon-sized reunion of Michael and Jerry but hey......at least we have their previous movies to enjoy. I'm grateful for that :)

P.S. Armageddon NEEDS to be re-released in IMAX 3D. It's the perfect movie for this format.

Balfefan reply Replies: 3 || 2020-02-12 13:47:03
What is Balfe working on at the moment?

His IMDB doesn’t have anything listed?

#getmelornebalfe


Brian2020-02-12 14:49:00
What is the #getmelornebalfe mean in John Powell’s recent social media posts?


Bayhem2020-02-13 11:40:29
What is the #getmelornebalfe mean in John Powell’s recent social media posts?
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Hmm, is Powell angry about something....?


Powellfan2020-02-14 06:20:11
It's a joke referencing the fact that Balfe has been the replacement composer on (at least?) 4 films, all in the past 5 years.

Anonymous reply Replies: 3 || 2020-02-12 18:01:00
Shane Rutherfoord-Jones work in RCP ?


Hybrid Soldier2020-02-12 18:25:39
For Lorne.


Anonymous2020-02-12 21:25:20
And Hans no ?


Knight2020-02-12 22:57:49
He orchestrated the string parts of Widows but thats all I've seen him do for Hans

Bayhem reply Replies: 0 || 2020-01-25 16:10:05
Colleague of mine (a film score fan too) asked me which new Balfe score is better in my opinion - Bad Boys for Life or 6 Underground?

Honestly - and as much as I praised BB3 - I couldn't decide......


Both movies have a lot of songs, which is something I don't like. Look at Transformers. There are songs too but they don't overshadow the score. The score is still the star and that's why people flood Steve's Twitter with praise. Day after day.

But sadly for Lorne, his recent work in film WAS indeed overshadowed by the random songs. If they didn't rely on songs so much, I'm sure that 6 Underground would've been the crown jewel for Lorne. It's a big, big movie that begs for equally big and memorable score (though we can't really expect Transformners-syze score).

At the end of the day, Lorne did good on 6 Underground but it was just a small sign of what COULD have been.....

Bayhem reply Replies: 3 || 2020-01-18 00:17:50
Spectacular job on Bad Boys 3! Honestly, in my opinion, it's one of the best Lorne scores. Just got back from the movie and both the music and the movie were terrific.

Lorne and his team have my respect!


ThePhantasm 2020-01-18 01:04:26
where's the score? Thought it was gonna release the same day as the movie


MrZimmerFan2020-01-18 01:33:12
Balfe confirmed that the score is coming the next Friday.


Bayhem2020-01-18 09:59:59
Next Friday indeed.

Too bad because I REALLY wanted to listen to the whole album right after watching the movie. There are some amazing, powerful cues.

Bayhem reply Replies: 10 || 2020-01-07 07:32:42
Sooooooooo, I think it's safe to say that Lorne will be helping Hans on Bond.

Knowing the Bond fans tho…....I expect this score to be trashed from Day 1. They wouldn't accept Hans or the other MV/RC guys. They want "classy" composers. I mean, look what happened to Eric Serra and his Golden Eye score. A solid action score that was, IMO, unfairly trashed by the Bond fans.

Every time the studio tries to shake things up a bit, the fans scream and complain. Too bad....


Edmund Meinerts2020-01-07 19:44:28
Goldeneye was terrible, though? :p


Bayhem2020-01-07 20:08:25
Goldeneye was terrible, though? :p
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I know you don't like the GoldenEye score. I expected your comment.

But come on, compared to so many newer action scores it is actually pretty enjoyable. And it works well during the action scenes in the movie. I call it an "atmospheric action score". Hell, at certain points you can even confuse it with a Harry Gregson Williams score...

It's not my favorite Bond score, but in my book, it doesn't deserve the bad reputation. You want a score that really doesn't fit the movie? A score that almost destroys a movie. Just go watch 'The Untouchables'. Ugh! Disgusting. What were Morricone and De Palma thinking??


Micheals2020-01-07 20:12:06
It’s a shame Balfe is not involved.
Hope he is doing the next Mission Impossible at least


Mephariel2020-01-07 20:26:38
How do you know Balfe is not involved?


Ds2020-01-07 22:36:51
Bayhem: i think i read somewhere that some parts of Goldeneye had been rescored hastily before the release, and the reason they didn't rescore the whole thing was because there wasn't enough time :-p

Btw you're spot on with The Untouchables. I was almost shocked when I discovered that movie and found out that noise had been written by Morricone. Couldn't believe it!


Bayhem2020-01-08 07:24:03
It’s a shame Balfe is not involved.
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I have a feeling that even if he's not OFFICIALLY involved he'd still be involved. In one way or another. lol :)


Bayhem2020-01-08 07:35:05
Bayhem: i think i read somewhere that some parts of Goldeneye had been rescored hastily before the release, and the reason they didn't rescore the whole thing was because there wasn't enough time :-p
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I remember reading that too. It was a rushed, problematic post-production, that's for sure. And I realize that the score itself is utterly different from what people expected from a Bond movie. Certainly sticks out when you look at the whole franchise.

I just find some of the cues pretty enjoyable and I think the hate was a bit too much. That's all.


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Btw you're spot on with The Untouchables. I was almost shocked when I discovered that movie and found out that noise had been written by Morricone. Couldn't believe it!
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Couldn't believe it too. The first time I saw the movie I thought someone made a parody VHS tape. lol! Don't get me wrong, I like the movie, but the score (or at least parts of it) is something that I'll never understand. I just can't put my finger on it....Why they thought this was a good idea?


Kalman2020-01-08 15:45:56
As for The Untouchables: it was Morricone's score that drew me to the movie. An absolute gem in my opinion, one of his best, or probably his best, among his scores for American movies. It has a couple of tracks that are harsh but they fits the scenes like a glove, and the other melodic tracks are just fantastic.
It elevated the movie for me, that's for sure.


Paul2020-01-11 22:00:08
Lorne said bad boys for life soundtrack score will come out on 17th of January from his twitter


Bayhem2020-01-12 09:01:47
Lorne said bad boys for life soundtrack score will come out on 17th of January from his twitter.
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Very good! A double whammy. The movie and the score come out on the same day.

Looking forward to it. I expect a lot of homages to the Mancina score...I also expect some bombastic cues, Rabin/Jablonsky-style.

PaulMuso reply Replies: 18 || 2019-12-26 15:44:48
Twitter has it Lorne Balfe is the next Bond composer ????


HunterTech2019-12-27 05:33:39
At this point, I'd rather hear an official confirmation or at least have Hybrid suggest it's a possibility. I've heard too many false rumors to really believe it yet.


Iamtommie442019-12-27 14:51:01
Dan Romer will do No Time To Die. It has been confirmed and I think he's workimg on it at the momemt.
The rumours of Balfe doing Bond is all that they are, rumours. Nothing more


Hybrid Soldier2019-12-27 17:30:52
Has it really........... ?


MMurray2019-12-27 18:02:35
What Lorne Balfe did with the Mission Impossible theme was amazing so if he is doing Bond then we will be in for a treat


AlitaFan2019-12-27 20:54:55
It's Hans Zimmer.. or someone who is writing for/with Hans. ;-)


Miralsice2019-12-28 01:27:47
Boring...


JaspF2019-12-28 07:55:11
Balfe and Zimmer ?


Anon2019-12-28 13:25:16
Patty Jenkins claimed this month that Wonder Woman is already fully done, presumably including Zimmer's score.

With that out of the way there's definitely a window for Zimmer to come in for Bond, before moving to Top Gun, SpongeBob and Dune.


AndyP2019-12-28 18:48:59
It’s Balfe.Two days ago he posted the new Bond trailer on his Facebook page


Hybrid Soldier2019-12-28 19:00:56
He did not.


Mr.Unbreakable2019-12-28 20:12:18
I sincerely believe that the only ones who believe that Balfe is going to make Bond 25 are us. And the truth, I think Dan Romer will finally do it.


Ahmad2019-12-28 21:46:18
It’d be interesting if Zimmer ends up scoring Bond having supposedly skipped Tenet for Dune. Gotta say Görasson is definitely a worthy successor judging by what we’ve heard from the score already.


ThePhantasm 2019-12-28 22:12:23
I know it's not a popular opinion here but I WOULD LOVE for Lorne to do JB he'd be amazing. But also i want henry jackman or John Powell. Although the chances of powell doing an action movie specially with guns and stuff is against his believes. Either Lorne or Henry.


Mike2019-12-28 23:24:47
To me it’s a very popular idea Lorne Balfe should do Bond.Can not wait to hear what he does with the John Barry theme


Anon2019-12-29 00:39:19
The Bond fansite who first broke the Romer being out rumor are saying it's indeed not Zimmer...


...2020-01-02 23:47:50
so, is it Wallfisch? The comment thread mentioning him the other day conveniently got deleted...


Hybrid Soldier2020-01-03 07:44:02
I erased the whole thread cause I'm tired of all the stupids around.


Bayhem2020-01-03 11:24:40
so, is it Wallfisch? The comment thread mentioning him the other day conveniently got deleted...
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Guess I missed that thread...…

I'm gonna say this though - anything Wallfisch touches turns to gold. He's one of the best "new" composers out there. IMO.

Bayhem reply Replies: 0 || 2020-01-01 08:45:28
Happy New Year, y'all!

Here's to many more awesome scores and movies :) (really looking forward to Balfe's Bad Boys 3 score!).

Cheers!

Jack Afrogarrix reply Replies: 1 || 2019-12-23 23:54:39
In my opinion, i like lorne balfe's film music since terminator genisys, 13 Hours and far as i know, he's really good on film score works and is was a good apprentice of Hans zimmer. Also, i begin to hear the 6 underground score and its really cool and awsome action soundtrack for this netflix film.


Tintusfilm2019-12-24 23:46:42
The score is brilliant and opposite of the transformers scores.Its not like anything I have heard because really but the final cue is epic and beautiful yes ?

maholen reply Replies: 8 || 2019-12-19 10:36:27
You don't have to agree with me. But it is my attitude towards the music of Lorne Balfe and as I mentioned. Not everything is bad, but not everything is really good either. His scores are uninteresting after listening to them a third time at the latest. Precisely because everything sounds familiar. He was a good composer for additional music for various Hans Zimmer scores. And yes, he was also one of the additional composers for the first two parts of Transformers. Not all Remote Control composers are suitable for being the main composer. I also don't want to hear music from the same people all the time. That's why I'm open to film music. I've been listening to film music for almost 30 years! So I know what I'm talking about. Of course you cannot know everything. But I don't want to know everything either. In my opinion, Lorne Balfe should take a slightly more careful look at his work and not deliver one score after the next. That's why his music is so monotonous. Rarely do you experience surprises and unfortunately there are not really many in 6 undergrounds. The drums on "Tons of Blood" don't sound bad, but it's better that way. It reminds me of the gaming soundtrack by Need for Speed &#8203;&#8203;- The Run by Brian Tyler. There are great drums in there. So don't take it personally, just accept it.


Macejko2019-12-19 13:47:05
And his adoring aggresive fandom born pretty much overnight is also highly suspicious, I might add.


Bayhem2019-12-20 07:39:12
@ maholen,

We have to keep in mind the directors/producers Lorne works with. And specifically, what they want from him.

We know that the MV/RC sound/approach continues to be very popular and that's what most directors/producers want from a composer who comes from the Zimmer world.

Now, I do agree with you that Lorne is indeed scoring A LOT of movies/TV shows in a very short period of time. And that could affect certain scores. But come on, we can't really blame the guy for working hard and developing his craft. There is a reason why they want him for these movies. The cynical people might say that studios want him because he's a cheaper version of Zimmer. But I'm not so sure about that. And mind you, I'm not even a big Lorne fan. I simply like some of his scores and yes, I do think he is talented. I mean, he's doing Bad Boys 3! I never really expected that because he's not as relentlessly bombastic as Rabin, Mancina or Jablonsky. But here we are. Bruckheimer and Bay see something in him and we can safely say that these guys know very well what they're doing. Hell, without them we wouldn't even have the MV/RC sound we all know and love.


maholen2019-12-22 16:00:54
Trevor Rabin, Mark Manina, Steve Jablonsky, Brian Tyler, John Debney or Harry Gregson-Williams, John WIlliams, Ramin Djawadi, James Newton Howard are legends!!!!

Lorne Balfe is nothing!


Edmund Meinerts2019-12-22 17:19:08
I mean...is there really that big a difference between Djawadi and Balfe? I'd rank those two about the same...neither one is a "legend" and neither one is "nothing" either.


Antonius 2019-12-22 18:20:10
Maholen- remove John Williams and James Newton Howard from that list and Balfe is most definitely better than them.Listen to Dark Materials,beyond two souls and 13 hours and don’t tell me he hasn’t got talent


MikeM2019-12-22 19:16:58
How stupid are you to make a list?
Regarding someone as nothing is pathetic
If Lorne Balfe is nothing then how does he get work?
Think before writing stupid comments.


HunterTech2019-12-22 22:02:20
You really think studios always care about the quality of the music? They're perfectly fine with having someone they can easily work with to have a project come out on time. Whether it's good or not really depends on the work itself.


Moggyman2019-12-23 00:05:42
The fact that many people enjoy Balfe's work shows that he a highly recognized composer. Yes, some do not appreciate his style and announce their dislike for the composer, but even the best of composers receive criticism at some point in their career. I would think that bad composers are either not recognized or their soundtracks are not popular or anticipated at all.

Jack Afrogarrix reply Replies: 0 || 2019-12-19 19:34:34
Booklet Credits

Original Score Composed & Produced By Lorne Balfe
Album Produced By Lorne Balfe & Alex Gibson
Music Production Coordinator by Queenie Li
Score Conducted By Gavin Greenaway
Score Orchestrated By Shane Rutherfoord-Jones
Guitar/Guitarviol Perfomers by Rob Harris & Ale Marti
Solo Cello by Peter Gregson
Synth Programming By Lorne Balfe
Music Editors by Alex Gibson & Steve Durkee
Score Technical Assistants By Max Aruj, Steffen Thum, Shane Rutherfoord Jones & Mike Ladouceur
Music Supervisor By Dave Jordan & Trygge Toven
Music Coordinators By Shannon Murphy & Justin Brandon Lewis
Music Clearance by Christine Bergren & Julie Butchko

Mike reply Replies: 9 || 2019-12-14 00:46:34
What a fantastic soundtrack.
It’s totally crazy and works brilliantly in the film.
The bit emotional sections are very classic Bay but Balfe’s electronic weirdness is very unique.
It’s nothing like Balfe’s Dark Materials BUT why I’m earth should it be !
10/10


Bayhem2019-12-14 01:04:48
I agree completely.

The movie was awesome, the score works perfectly, and the only thing I didn't like was the use of songs. Too much of them. Songs rarely work during intense action scenes. They distract.

But every time the score started, I liked it. Bay may be known as the big action guy, but when it comes to scoring the more intimate/emotional moments, he and the composer (no matter who he is) always do a good job.


Moviegeek2019-12-14 19:56:51
Way too many songs.
Lorne Balfe score nailed it.Great to see Bay working with Balfe now.


Nowabalfefan2019-12-16 01:47:59
Interesting to see Lorne Balfe replacing Jablonsky now with Micheal Bay.6 Underground is totally crazy and Balfe’s score equals it.Also has emotion like 13 Hours.
Doesn’t beat His Dark Materials but a great score


JD2019-12-16 15:18:04
From what I’ve heard, Jablonsky has just taken some time off to be with his family, and Bay has not necessarily moved on from him (I sure hope not!)

I love Balfe like many others do, but Jablonsky’s best scores always come from his Michael Bay collaborations and hope they still work together in the future... maybe if they do a sequel to 6 Underground they’ll bring Jablonsky back.


Hybrid Soldier2019-12-16 18:59:33
Guys, to make things clear, there's zero problem between Steve J & Michael Bay...

Hans, Steve & Lorne have shared MB's career more than anyone else, and have been saving each other when needed cause working for MB can be tough.

And Bay is not deaf, he knows exactly what he can get from his composers... For 13 Hours he was clear from the beginning he wanted Hans / Lorne to handle it.

There are other technicalities that can explain why Steve can pass on a project or not. But they'll work together again. No doubt.


1232019-12-16 23:05:18
don’t do that Hybrid, don’t give me hope


Bayhem2019-12-17 09:31:34
Thanks for the info, Hybrid.

Honestly, I never got the impression that there is a problem between Michael and Steve. It's just really exhausting working on huge Bay movies and I don't blame Steve for taking a break. I will always remember what he said: "Scoring a Bay movie is like scoring two "normal" movies."

And thankfully, Bay and Lorne work really well together. The way things are going tho, I wouldn't be surprised if Bay's next movie - the huge 'Robopocalypse' - ends up with those credits: "Music by Steve Jablonsky and Lorne Balfe". lol That would be awesome! (I know they worked together on TF1 and TF2 but this could be their first "official" collaboration).


Nicklas2019-12-17 22:14:55
This is so awesome we have our own insider/spy in the form of Hybrid Soldier... :)
Really glad I found this forum.

Does anyone know a track order according to the film? I just watched it for the second time, it is awesome, but can't really place the tracks from the score. For instance I Am The Danger & A Million Battles where do they appear?

And is there a film version of the song in the end White Flag by Bishop Briggs? The film version seems a bit more epic...


Bayhem2019-12-17 22:32:52
And is there a film version of the song in the end White Flag by Bishop Briggs?
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I would like to know that too.

Never heard of this song before the movie, and the film version is indeed much more epic. And better.

I have a feeling that it's something Lorne and his team did. The film version sounds very MV/RC......It has that "Zimmer and Co. vibe"...... :)

Andrew reply Replies: 1 || 2019-12-14 12:21:21
Power anthems ???? Obviously you haven’t watched the movie.They would not fit in this movie.

Balfe’s score is really cool and not expected.Already listened to it 4 times!


Bayhem2019-12-17 09:23:56
They would not fit in this movie.
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Agreed.

The movie is big. Very big. But it's also grounded (somewhat) in reality. It's just a different type of story than, say, The Island or Transformers. So power anthems would kinda feel out of place.

So aside from all of those songs, the approach was the right one. IMO.

Knight reply Replies: 1 || 2019-12-14 00:04:13
Gavin should be listed as conductor

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Bayhem2019-12-14 00:58:23
Greenaway for President! :))

Sweet reply Replies: 11 || 2019-12-13 13:12:07
Oh wow, Balfe's had a potentially too productive year. I am still convinced if he took more time to compose His Dark Materials, it would be a classic on the level of Shore. Now, it is fine and impressive.

But what the fuck. I know Bay is a lucrative customer and you have to do what he wants but this 'score' is a travesty that will be buried soon. Seriously. This is the worst of the worst, I ask anyone on this site to name one track that is 'ok', there's an ethical limit, Balfe, Baby!


Knight2019-12-13 13:21:58
Ok tracks? Easy. About half the score is some decent anthemic tracks

Ghosts
Haunt the Living
I Am the Danger
You Can Change the World
Thrones
A Million Battles
One, But Not Done


Knight2019-12-13 13:22:55
Maybe try using your ears or brain next time before spewing out more hyperbolic nonsense.


Sweet2019-12-13 13:31:46
Knight - okay, let us know which ones of these tracks are even listenable? Hyperbolic nonsense defines this score, but I do not blame Balfe - this would have been what Bay wanted. Such a shame to see his artistic credibility reduced to this after the stellar work on His Dark Materials and acceptable material on Gemini Man,.


Knight2019-12-13 13:45:59
> which ones are listenable
all of the ones I listed are the melodic/orchestral moments in the score not counting Memories and Beautiful Sunday.
Listen to Haunt the Living, Thrones, A Million Battles or One, But Not Done and tell me that the score is a travesty.


Mr.Unbreakable2019-12-13 15:23:12
I expected a lot from this score, and the truth is that it left me cold. Honestly, I think it is Bay's fault, Balfe has shown that he is capable of doing everything, but here it gives the feeling of being covered. Again, Balfe must focus on fewer projects and the projects he accepts are of quality.


MrZimmerFan2019-12-13 17:32:07
Again, if we have to expect every piece of work of one composer is have to be as good like his others pieces of work, that's pretty underwhelming and impossible.

Yeah, 6 Underground is not a good score by any means (neither Gemini Man, but is far more listenable), but works perfectly in the hiperbolic movie.


JD2019-12-13 17:57:02
What is most disappointing is that this is a Michael Bay movie with a score being so bad. Historically his movies have fantastic scores by either Hans, Steve Jablonsky, and even Lorne Balfe. But this is hands down the worst Michael Bay score I’ve ever heard.

It’s functional, yes, but nothing compared to 13 Hours, any of the Transformers movies, The Rock, Pearl Harbor, etc. I definitely had high hopes for another good “power anthem” score... and the only cues that are any good are just Time ripoffs.

Highly disappointing.


Mr.Unbreakable2019-12-13 21:32:55
I don't expect Lorne to make a masterpiece with each movie, but it is true that most of her films are action candies, and I can't understand how she can deliver 6 underground and then make His dark materials. It seems that within Lorne there are a thousand different composers. And I don't know what to expect from Lorne again.


Hybrid Soldier2019-12-13 22:04:07
I haven't heard the album yet but there isn't much score in the film. It's like Bad Boys II meets Domino in terms of editing, songs everywhere (19 sourced songs used), short cues... Hell there's even a 13 Hours cue tracked in the film ("Getting Aboard The Plane").


Rockhound 2019-12-13 23:39:59
When i heard just the sound clips, i thought wtf. Sounds like the worst score, a michael bay movie ever had. Then i listened to the whole album and i have to say, there are some pretty cool tracks. I really like the electronic rhythmic stuff. Welcome to florence is awesome. The emotional moments are nice, but standard balfe stuff. In the movie, the music works really good. I think this music style is the only style, that works in THIS movie. And as hybrid says a mish mash of score and songs. The movie itself is.....strange. but at least the action rocks as hell.


Bayhem2019-12-14 00:56:40
I agree with Knight.

It seems some peeps were expecting power anthems left and right. Yes, this is a big movie, but not a "Transformers-big" movie. I didn't like the use of source music (I hate songs in action movies) but when Balfe's work popped up I noticed it right away.

The more emotional cues were definitely the most memorable.

Jack Afrogarrix reply Replies: 1 || 2019-12-13 21:51:28
Another awsome score by lorne balfe. I really like the film 6 underground directed by michael bay, is very awsome and intense and i begin to hear the score composed by lorne balfe, and its phenomenal and his second time working with michael bay since 13 hours, which i like lorne balfe's score too. Balfe's work is really inspiring in his film score.


Hybrid Soldier2019-12-13 21:58:46
"Second time"... lol

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2019-12-13 19:29:39
Can't help noticing not one, but two Zimmer titles in here.... Tracks 14 and 16. lol.

Jack Afrogarrix reply Replies: 1 || 2019-12-13 02:06:34
I got the real tracklist, and is supposed to be 19 tracks from the score. Can wait to hear the score and see the movie tomorrow

1.Point of Extraction 2:24
2.Ghosts 3:22
3.Welcome To Florence 3:54
4.Lose The Chopper 1:54
5.Haunt The Living 2:06
6.One Rule 2:07
7.I Am The Danger 3:17
8.You Can Change The World 2:15
9.Thrones 3:22
10.Memories 1:58
11.Beautiful Sunday 1:17
12.The Past 0:51
13.Shit Ton Of Blood 2:35
14.Leave No Man Behind 1:50
15.A Million Battles 4:18
16.Day Of The Dead 4:08
17.Sabotage 3:16
18.Live Or Die 1:56
19.One, But Not Done 3:08


Bayhem2019-12-13 08:09:13
Thanks for sharing the tracklist :)

Bayhem reply Replies: 0 || 2019-12-13 08:08:03
Sooooooooooo excited for the film and the score!


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