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I agree completely.<br><br>The movie was awesome, the score works perfectly, and the only thing I didn't like was the use of songs. Too much of them. Songs rarely work during intense action scenes. They distract.<br><br>But every time the score started, I liked it. Bay may be known as the big action guy, but when it comes to scoring the more intimate/emotional moments, he and the composer (no matter who he is) always do a good job.Greenaway for President! :))I agree with Knight.<br><br>It seems some peeps were expecting power anthems left and right. Yes, this is a big movie, but not a "Transformers-big" movie. I didn't like the use of source music (I hate songs in action movies) but when Balfe's work popped up I noticed it right away.<br><br>The more emotional cues were definitely the most memorable.What a fantastic soundtrack.<br>Itís totally crazy and works brilliantly in the film.<br>The bit emotional sections are very classic Bay but Balfeís electronic weirdness is very unique.<br>Itís nothing like Balfeís Dark Materials BUT why Iím earth should it be !<br>10/10Gavin should be listed as conductor
Because Ice Age was composed by David Newman and Collision Course was composed by John DebneyWhen i heard just the sound clips, i thought wtf. Sounds like the worst score, a michael bay movie ever had. Then i listened to the whole album and i have to say, there are some pretty cool tracks. I really like the electronic rhythmic stuff. Welcome to florence is awesome. The emotional moments are nice, but standard balfe stuff. In the movie, the music works really good. I think this music style is the only style, that works in THIS movie. And as hybrid says a mish mash of score and songs. The movie itself is.....strange. but at least the action rocks as hell.If "The Meltdown," "Dawn of The Dinosaurs" and "Continental Drift" are added, then how come "Ice Age" and "Collision Course" aren't?I haven't heard the album yet but there isn't much score in the film. It's like Bad Boys II meets Domino in terms of editing, songs everywhere (19 sourced songs used), short cues... Hell there's even a 13 Hours cue tracked in the film ("Getting Aboard The Plane")."Second time"... lol
Another awsome score by lorne balfe. I really like the film 6 underground directed by michael bay, is very awsome and intense and i begin to hear the score composed by lorne balfe, and its phenomenal and his second time working with michael bay since 13 hours, which i like lorne balfe's score too. Balfe's work is really inspiring in his film score.I don't expect Lorne to make a masterpiece with each movie, but it is true that most of her films are action candies, and I can't understand how she can deliver 6 underground and then make His dark materials.  It seems that within Lorne there are a thousand different composers.  And I don't know what to expect from Lorne again.Can't help noticing not one, but two Zimmer titles in here.... Tracks 14 and 16. lol.What is most disappointing is that this is a Michael Bay movie with a score being so bad. Historically his movies have fantastic scores by either Hans, Steve Jablonsky, and even Lorne Balfe. But this is hands down the worst Michael Bay score Iíve ever heard. <br><br>Itís functional, yes, but nothing compared to 13 Hours, any of the Transformers movies, The Rock, Pearl Harbor, etc. I definitely had high hopes for another good ďpower anthemĒ score... and the only cues that are any good are just Time ripoffs.<br><br>Highly disappointing.Again, if we have to expect every piece of work of one composer is have to be as good like his others pieces of work, that's pretty underwhelming and impossible.<br><br>Yeah, 6 Underground is not a good score by any means (neither Gemini Man, but is far more listenable), but works perfectly in the hiperbolic movie.
I expected a lot from this score, and the truth is that it left me cold.  Honestly, I think it is Bay's fault, Balfe has shown that he is capable of doing everything, but here it gives the feeling of being covered.  Again, Balfe must focus on fewer projects and the projects he accepts are of quality.There are speculations about the track "Til Death Do Us Part "as being composed by Brandon Campbell. Can anyone confirm whether it was Djawadi or Campbell who composed it?Come to Portugal again.> which ones are listenable<br>all of the ones I listed are the melodic/orchestral moments in the score not counting Memories and Beautiful Sunday.<br>Listen to Haunt the Living, Thrones, A Million Battles or One, But Not Done and tell me that the score is a travesty.Knight - okay, let us know which ones of these tracks are even listenable? Hyperbolic nonsense defines this score, but I do not blame Balfe - this would have been what Bay wanted. Such a shame to see his artistic credibility reduced to this after the stellar work on His Dark Materials and acceptable material on Gemini Man,.
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Terminator - Dark Fate
Label: Paramount Music / La-La Land Records
Length: 57'58
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  1. Terminated (1:28)
  2. My Name Is Dani (3:39)
  3. Rev 9 (3:10)
  4. Iron Spike (2:52)
  5. Enter Sarah (0:59)
  6. Grace (4:24)
  7. Drones Coming (1:46)
  8. The Wall (4:12)
  9. Terminator (2:57)
  10. Coyote (2:18)
  11. The Picture On The Fridge (0:42)
  12. C5 (4:10)
  13. Humv (1:59)
  14. You Saved Me (5:41)
  15. Screaming Turbines (4:13)
  16. For John (7:59)
  17. Epilogue (1:10)
  18. Dark Fate (4:19)
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123 reply Replies: 0 || 2019-12-04 15:29:13
just saw No Time to Die trailer and the music sounds so much like itīs Junkie, or somebody just stole his drum sample libraries

tilibro reply Replies: 0 || 2019-11-12 13:14:29
New trailer for the Sonic movie.
https://youtu.be/szby7ZHLnkA

Mr.Unbreakable reply Replies: 17 || 2019-10-31 16:14:00
The album is 18 songs and the Terminator Theme is powerful than ever


Knight2019-10-31 16:23:08
I have to say that I prefer Lorne's Terminator score to Tom's. More themes with melody and the Fiedel end title theme is more sophisticated. Track 16 and 18 of this one is pretty good though


BC2019-11-01 06:14:02
Just got home from an IMAX screening. Really enjoyed the movie, but it's a Dark Phoenix situation with the sound mix where the score is deep into the background where it almost can't be heard in scenes. "Rev 9", "The Wall" and most of "For John" were completely lost.

@Knight
I agree. I really enjoy Tom's rendition and understand that he stripped it back to service the lean, mean nature of the movie, but Lorne's was meatier and had a little more going on.

Highlight for me so far is "The Wall". Love the incorporation of the alarm at the wall. Rev-9's theme is perfect, that low, sinister thrum. Simple and fitting.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-01 09:44:06
Altough i like Balfe's work in Genisys (the weakest is Salvation), i dig it Tom's work, is the most referencial to the original in the synths apects, specially from someone who loves the original Brad Fiedel score in The Terminator.


mpolonest123 2019-11-01 09:46:00
Maybe my opinion will change once I see the film (much like Alita) but Iím not too crazy about this right now.

The positives: Daniís guitar theme is beautiful and the way it is incorporated in the end titles suite is amazing, Rev-9ís motif works extraordinarily well, Brad Fiedelís themes are used effectively (with a cool callback to T2)

The negs: The action music really feels like stock Holkenborg, closer to Tomb Raider and Deadpool than Mortal Engines (exceptions being The Wall and For John), lack of interesting underscore, and personally I was hoping for a more electronic approach akin to the style of the first two.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-01 09:53:35
I hate Deadpool (weird me, because i like a lot Tomb Raider and Rise of an Empire) and consider OK Mad Max and Divergent.

But when comes to Mortal Engines (an i wasn't expecting Dark Fate sound like that) and Alita are really good.


mpolonest123 2019-11-01 10:02:35
For some reason I thought Tom was going to use a more electronic sound for the film, I was genuinely surprised that the score is as orchestral/acoustic as it is.

But yeah, Iím definitely not a fan of Deadpool or Tomb Raider. I think his collabs with Conrad Pope have produced his best material thus far, especially when he has a great orchestrator who can flesh out his material.


Shince Thomas 2019-11-01 15:07:36
Tom's theme brings a new flare to the original, but in someway I prefer Lorne's version.The guitar based theme is a fresh take and completely did not expect it to be this acoustic.


HunterTech2019-11-01 22:41:51
@BC I actually thought Dark Phoenix's score had a pretty decent presence in the sound mix. The SFX overwhelmed it at parts, sure, but I definitely heard enough there to recall stuff from the film when listening to the OST.


Ahmad2019-11-01 23:11:33
Dark Phoenixís mix was a disaster. Effects were overbearingly loud while the music was too quiet. Obviously you can tell which cue is playing but most of HZís work was thrown out the window in favor of SFX. ďRecklessĒ is a clear example.


BC2019-11-03 01:43:29
@Ahmad

And "Frameshift". It was actually nicely mixed until when the guitars hit for the Phoenix theme and it got pushed aside for the SFX and it loses a lot of it's power because of it.


MagicLoop2019-11-04 10:41:02
mpolonest123, just FYI, Conrad Pope did not orchestrate any of Tom's scores, he just conducted the orchestras at the scoring stages doing as always a brilliant job with those great musicians. Every orchestral writing improvement (fully orchestrated) has been made internally by Tom and his in-house assistants.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-04 11:47:00
Pope even conducted this one.

I think many people give more credit to Pope more than Tom and his orchertrators (some of them work with people like McCreary or Goransson), yes, Pope is great orchertrator, but many of the hightlights from Mortal Engines or Alita, probably, are from Tom and his collaborators.


MagicLoop2019-11-05 12:57:26
Very true, MrZimmerFan. The whole credit must go to Tom and his internal assistants. Every cue gets completely written, orchestrated and programmed in their DAW sessions when they produce all the mock-ups. Then at the end every cue gets simply transcribed by the orchestrators (external team) from midi into musical notation, but they are already completed from the start.


Hybrid Soldier2019-11-05 13:03:12
Yeah but orchestrators can add colors too... Like they can go "look, your string writing here with 10 violins, it works with synths, but it's never gonna sound good live, let's try that instead..."


Anyway orchestrator can go from co-composer to simple transcriber... Depends what material they have to work with.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-05 13:52:27
But Pope isn't orchestrator neither Alita, Mortal Engines or this one.

People give credit only because is acredited as conductor, if he was acredited as orchestrator, the thing would be very different.


mpolonest123 2019-11-06 16:37:24
My mistake, for some reason I thought Pope had done some orchestration as well. I do remember Tom mentioning in Studio Time that Pope had some input in terms of improving the orchestrations or at least giving some feedback, which I do think shows immensely in Alita and Mortal Engines.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-06 18:23:04
The conductor can give some feedback to the composer and viceversa, but the orchestrations are enterely from the orchestrators

Zac reply Replies: 0 || 2019-11-06 01:28:21
It's a real shame that Holkenborg's rendition of Desert Suite from T2 didn't make it into the album. That was the score's biggest standout moment to me.

MiB reply Replies: 0 || 2019-11-02 21:12:39
The worst score in the whole franchise. Period. Film is actually too. Even Genesys is better of this, score and film. So sad to me.

DT-2017 reply Replies: 0 || 2019-11-01 09:38:46
I loved that Junkie XL dug up Brad Fiedel's old T2 synths for the tracks "Terminated" and "Terminator". I honestly thought that the sound designers just took those metal heartbeat sections from T2's score.

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 1 || 2019-10-31 13:01:09
Up in Itunes NZ

https:// music.apple.com/nz/album/terminator-dark-fate-music-from-the -motion-picture/1483310838


Jean-Luc2019-10-31 14:52:27
Finally!! I'm so excited to hear about those tracks

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 5 || 2019-10-30 04:00:59
https://screenrant.com/justice-league-zack-snyder-cut-junkie -xl-score-complete/amp/

Well, I guess itís now official.


ThePhantasm2019-10-30 04:32:24
doesn't show anything.


mpolonest123 2019-10-30 04:41:30
Remove the spaces in the link.


tilibro2019-10-30 04:45:47
Can't hear to it, if the Snyder Cut ever does get released, of course.


tilibro2019-10-30 04:46:05
**Can't wait


BC2019-10-31 02:59:03
It'll probably be released in a few more years after the Snyder Cut movement dies down.

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 1 || 2019-10-30 20:15:27
New Studio Time begins 1th November

https:// www.youtube.com/ watch?v=HJXX2lPJiXY


mpolonest123 2019-10-30 20:53:32
Canít wait!

Anonymous reply Replies: 7 || 2019-10-29 12:30:56
So is this ever coming out?
The movie is out for a week here and there is still not even score release date, track list or artwork.

Very disappointing


MrZimmerFan2019-10-29 12:41:20
People can't be patience...

1th November


MrZimmerFan2019-10-29 12:42:09
Because the score releases (specially for Paramount Musice) are the same the as the movie opens in USA.


Paul2019-10-29 12:56:55
@MrZimmerFan is correct and people need to be patient.


Anonymous2019-10-29 14:44:18
november 1th......


MrZimmerFan2019-10-29 14:53:19
Yes, this Friday, because is the movie opening in USA.


Anonymous2019-10-29 15:09:58
but I think you meant 11th lol


MrZimmerFan2019-10-29 15:31:15
xD

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 3 || 2019-10-25 23:10:47
Is my mind doing tricks on me or did I hear a reprise of "Sarah's Dream" at some point ?


There were some cool reprises of the Terminator Main Theme in the final act of the movie.


mpolonest123 2019-10-25 23:32:49
@Hybrid
How does the score stack up against the previous entries? Particularly Tomís original music?

I actually enjoy Salvation and Genisys for what they try to do. I donít think they succeed as Terminator scores but on their own they work.


Markus2019-10-26 12:34:54
Does anyone know when Balfeís His Dark Materials is released ?


Knight2019-10-26 12:36:42
3rd of November will have the first of 2 albums releases

DT-2017 reply Replies: 3 || 2019-10-24 20:53:37
The music was actually pretty good. He came up with a nice new arrangement of Brad Fiedel's Terminator Theme and gave Rev-9 a new motif instead of the same motif originally used for the T-1000 but used for every villain Terminator since.


MrZimmerFan2019-10-24 21:06:46
I don't remember the T-1000 motif in Genisys and much less in Salvation. Maybe the arrangement in T3 by Beltrami (or is a new motif?)


BC2019-10-25 02:05:37
Nice. Really looking forward to hearing it in the IMAX mix next week. This and Lorne's 6 Underground are pretty much the only 2 scores I'm excited for the rest of the year.


DT-20172019-10-25 08:39:08
Mr. Zimmerman - you won't necessarily hear it on the OST for Salvation and it's not in the film, but it was included in the sessions, used before the 'Arnold' snippet. As for Genisys, it's bold as brass at the start of the John Connor hospital fight. It's also used for the Matt Smith Skynet character. The T-3000 motif afterward is a slightly adjusted version. Lorne Balfe did confirm that this was the intention. T3 has a brass version used in the Future War sequence.

It's also used quite frequently in The Sarah Connor Chronicles and even got a remix in the Terminator Salvation game.

BC reply Replies: 7 || 2019-10-16 23:44:52
Seems like this is going to be a Dark Phoenix situation where we don't have a tracklist, release date or cover until the week the movie releases.

I wonder if it's because Miller is still locking down the final cut and Tom's still scoring. Either way, definitely looking forward to this and the movie.


MrZimmerFan2019-10-17 08:20:48
Like most of the releases


MrZimmerFan2019-10-21 17:58:19
Tom said in his Twitter: 'Details very soon'

Altough, is only a week away


MrZimmerFan2019-10-21 18:00:22
And also, be prepared for more Studio Time for the score


DT-20172019-10-21 19:45:55
The movie is out this Wednesday in some territories.


MrZimmerFan2019-10-21 19:58:48
But the scores comes out in 1th November


BC2019-10-22 05:54:17
We'll likely get final details towards the end of the week or early next week. I guess I'm just a little surprised that it's taken this long. The movie had surprise screenings either yesterday or the day before, so it seems like everything's pretty final.


MrZimmerFan2019-10-22 10:11:30
Think about Gemini Man, the score come out the same day as the movie (in that case, 11th October), and the details come the same week.


mpolonest123 reply Replies: 0 || 2019-10-16 00:45:45
Thereís a 3-minute clip of the truck chase on YouTube and I have to say the score sounds pretty cool. A lot of string/percussion work with an awesome electronic motif for the new ďTerminatorĒ model. Also, Brad Fiedelís theme is back. ;)

Kingfannypack is the MILFcommander reply Replies: 0 || 2019-10-09 07:11:10
DUN DUN DUN DUNDUN

DUN DUN DUN DUNDUN

T2 soundtrack is god

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 19 || 2019-10-04 02:57:51
Soon!


Jean-Luc2019-10-04 13:32:23
I'm very excited about this soundtrack, I bet that the soundtrack will release on Halloween this month. I have a feeling about Terminator, Dark Fate score might sound like Mad Max Fury Road or something new like that. I hope terminator dark fate should bring terminator main theme from the first movie or second movie, it's would be cool to put in the beginning movie.


Anonymous2019-10-04 18:25:04
brad fiedelís terminator theme is in every single film


Hybrid Soldier2019-10-04 21:59:33
It's not used in Salvation. Briefly in T3 (End Title ?) and there's a lot of Fiedel used in Lorne's.


johny5552019-10-04 22:02:00
it was used in Salvation, two times :D


mpolonest123 2019-10-04 22:09:11
The actual melody isnít used in Salvation, just the ďdun-dun-dundunĒ


mpolonest123 2019-10-04 22:10:30
^ Unless that was tracked in....


Anonymous2019-10-04 22:11:59
salvation still has it even if itís not on the ost. itís in the beginning of teh film


Scorefan2019-10-05 23:18:00
Ummmmm Tomo scored Alita Battle Angel and now Terminato Dark Fate. Is this a posibility Tom score Avatar sequels?


DT-20172019-10-06 09:50:36
Salvation just used the 'du-dun-dun-du-dun' part - in the opening titles, the Arnold reveal scene and in the finale. The actual theme itself is never used and apparently McG didn't want it used either. T3 had it but only in the end credits. Genisys at least used it in the opening of the film.

I get the feeling we'll get more arrangements of it this time around as well as a 'main title' arrangement.


Edmund Meinerts2019-10-06 10:13:40
Scorefan, I agree with you, it really feels like Cameron is using these projects to let JXL "audition" for the Avatar sequels. Alita wasn't a bad score and I think Terminator is a good fit for his style, but I still really hope Cameron goes a different direction with Avatar (hint: James Newton Howard). I don't think JXL has what it takes to follow in the footsteps of Horner.


MrZimmerFan2019-10-06 11:33:02
Edmund, Alita have many moments when you think Horner composed that.


johny5552019-10-06 11:36:14
Question of the day: would JXL use Horner's famous trumpet motif? :D


mpolonest123 2019-10-06 14:26:57
I wouldnít be surprised if James Cameron was using these projects to test JXLís ability to handle big budget films, as well as building a professional relationship with him. Seeing as how he only worked with two prior composers in the past, it would be an interesting collaboration.

And no, JXL is definitely no James Horner. But seeing how his involvement with Peter Jackson turned out Mortal Engines (the best score he has done so far imo), I would love to hear what he could deliver when working with a perfectionist like James Cameron.


Mr.Unbreakable2019-10-06 16:17:34
A good option would be to sign James Newton Howard and Hans Zimmer, but this time Newton Howard is the one who makes up the majority of the movie.


Hybrid Soldier2019-10-06 16:23:10
Hans is an absolute no go for Avatar 2 ! Trust me...


mpolonest123 2019-10-06 16:35:43
@Hybrid
Good! Considering there are about 50 sequels to Avatar in production I would rather have Hans working on a variety of projects, instead of devoting his time to those. JNH would be a cool choice, I think he has the chops to turn out some amazing themes.

And while on the topic of JXL, apparently Snyder is pushing to get his cut of Justice League completed/released. I wonder if there is a possibility of us finally getting to hear Junkieís score finally, or at least having him actually get to finish whatever he started.


Mr.Unbreakable2019-10-06 17:01:18
Why is it that Hans doesn't want to make Avatar?


Anonymous2019-10-07 03:42:01
because hes worked with tony scott, ridley scott, michael bay and terrence malick. directors with a reputation about their music. he doesn't need to work with james cameron lmao


Miralsice2019-10-07 15:03:27
How about that Tim Miller hired Junkie again, since they had worked together on Deadpool and Tom write music for one episode of "Love Death and Robots" produced by Tim. And don't forget about Sonic live action where Miller also worked as executive producer. I think they are good friends, don't they?

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