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if the link doesn't work for some reason, the song is called Cliffhanger Sky High on youtubeHi All, sorry it took so long to upload, My friend helped me set up a youtube channel to upload tracks to. I am very inspired by the classic Zimmer Scores of the 90's. I envisioned A climactic rescue aboard A speeding train for this particular cue.<br>https://youtu.be/4WyMIcpqMRk <br>I avoided bringing up the TF films in this thread until AFTER you dragged them into it.<br>===============<br><br>No one dragged anything. <br><br>I briefly mentioned that franchise, among many other things you conveniently ignored (you do that a lot), to prove a simple point: that a director doesn't get to make 5 movies from the same franchise if people aren't enjoying his work. Simple as that. I never talked about the "quality" of each of those movies. Go see the comment again.<br><br>YOU picked up on this and started talking obsessively about the TF. <br><br><br>==============<br>Going after every person that doesn't like Bay and trying to obsessively "debunk" them is psychotic, yes. <br>==============<br><br>Look at your first comment here, pal. Look at it good! Snarky, dismissive, almost trollish, and with a clear intention to provoke people. Let me quote it: "Another day, another Bay film that doesn't know what fun is." <br><br>I only "go after" people who can't share their opinions in a respectful, mature way. There are a lot of comments here I disagreed with. But I never confronted those people. Why? Because they know how to properly share an opinion. <br><br>I only go after people who provoke, make fun of someone/something and troll. I've never "attacked" a person who didn't deserve that kind of response. My post history here speaks for itself. <br><br><br>===================<br>And constantly referring to other people's opinions and whinging about the box office doesn't make you objective, especially with how self-contradictory the latter has been.<br>===================<br><br>Nope. Not even close. <br><br>You're just bitter that I'm using quotes from proven, talented people like Spielberg who support Bay. What quotes can your side use? Just quotes from knucklehead film bloggers and critics who hate half of what Hollywood makes. <br><br>No one with an actual integrity and knowledge of the film business can dismiss what Bay has accomplished. You may not like his stuff, but to completely dismiss him as a filmmaker is.......moronic. Truth is, it's only small fries on the internet who are angry that their favorite mid-level directors aren't as big and successful as Bay.<br><br>That's really the bottom line. <br><br>Speaking of that, who is YOUR favorite filmmaker? Go ahead, share it with us. Let's see who is that PERFECT filmmaker you drool over.<br><br>I'm really curious.<br><br>==============<br>By your own "objective" reasoning, this would make them his worst films. But you don't acknowledge that, because you don't actually care about objectivity.<br>==============<br><br>Huh??<br><br>When did I said that box office success or box office failure means that a movie is good or bad?? I never that. So if you don't mind, stop putting words in my mouth.<br><br>Thank you. <br><br><br>==================<br>You care about faking it when it suits you, and chucking it when it doesn't<br>==================<br><br><br>Kinda ironic coming from the person who ignored the majority of the stuff I said here. Careful cherry-picking, convenient ignoring of stuff, and putting words in my mouth is apparently what you like to do. <br><br><br>================<br>What do you mean "next time?" Your first reply here was calling my opinion a joke.<br>================<br><br>Uhhhh, that's because it IS a joke. Because it is not true and because it was posted with the clear intention to provoke. You are the Negative Nancy here, my friend. Not me. Jesus Christ, even your nickname tells people exactly what they can expect from you......"Cynical Makooti". <br><br><br>====================<br>I didn't insult you for anything other than lying to win an argument<br>====================<br><br>Oh, that's true....................you're certainly not winning this argument. I mean, that's obvious. <br><br>And..... I never posted a lie. Just because "your sources" claim something different doesn't mean it's the truth. Pacific Rim wasn't a success - considering the huge expactations and the fact that the movie's budget is $200 freakin' million - and they DID try to start a franchise with 300. They failed. <br><br><br>================<br>Your lack of self-awareness is astounding.<br>================<br><br>That's rich. Coming from the guy who calls himself "Cynical Makooti". The guy who now plays the victim, even though he was the one who started this with a childish, trollish comment. <br><br>Look at my first reply to you. I was jokingly mimicking your style. Intentionally. Then you tried to be a smartass with your next reply. But EVEN THEN, I responded in a normal way with my second post. After that........you unleashed your true self. <br><br>And now, you're acting like the victim: "Poor me, being attacked by a crazy Bay fan!" <br><br>So please, don't talk about self-awareness. It ain't working.<br><br><br><br>================<br>Pacific Rim was a domestic bomb that turned things around with its international box office.<br>================<br><br>Haha, maybe you should read more Forbes. Take a look at what they said about the entire (already failed) Pac Rim universe. Read a bit more on how much money the studio lost from the first flick and why they actually went with a sequel. It ain't because the first one was a beloved hit. <br><br><br>=======<br>The Last Knight lost about $100M according to Paramount themselves. That doesn't sound like an international success to me.<br>=======<br><br>Okay, I believe you. Now, would you please share the link to that statement from Paramount. <br><br>Thank you. <br><br><br>=============<br>Maybe it does to you, but I can't speak for that little fantasy world you seem to be living in right now.<br>=============<br><br>Hey, it's certainly a better and more reasonable place than your world. A world where you completely dismiss and ignore the accomplishments of one of the biggest filmmakers out there.<br><br>What's your next claim? <br><br>That Donnie Trump is the best President in history?<br><br><br>Have a nice day!Do any of you think that Junkie's Justice League score will ever get released or leaked? I was really excited to hear how Junkie planned on developing the themes used in the prior DCEU movies. Especially the Batman themes from BVS. It's a damn shame how WB handled that film."Why do Bay naysayers pretend that Bay only directs TF movies? It's very interesting...... Pretty much all complaints against Bay are connected to the TF movies.<br><br>Newsflash: Bay was a proven and very successful action filmmaker wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before TF1."<br><br>Newsflash: I avoided bringing up the TF films in this thread until AFTER you dragged them into it.  Only then did I treat them as fair game.  Considering they make up a third of his filmography, I don't see why I SHOULDN'T address them.  How convenient is it that bringing them up is only ever valid when YOU do it?<br><br>More to the point, I already said I thought his decline kicked in from Pearl Harbor onwards.  The TF films are just his rock bottom.<br><br>"So let me get this straight: trying to be as objective as possible, in a non-threating way, quoting people who actually know what they're talking about and certainly not treating my opinion as fact, makes me......psychotic."<br><br>Going after every person that doesn't like Bay and trying to obsessively "debunk" them is psychotic, yes.  And constantly referring to other people's opinions and whinging about the box office doesn't make you objective, especially with how self-contradictory the latter has been.<br><br>Pain & Gain and 13 Hours, his supposedly best films, also have his lowest box office turnouts.  13 Hours was a flat-out bomb.  By your own "objective" reasoning, this would make them his worst films.  But you don't acknowledge that, because you don't actually care about objectivity.<br><br>You care about faking it when it suits you, and chucking it when it doesn't.<br><br>"Next time, I'll just act like a complete jerk, insulting everyone and everything."<br><br>What do you mean "next time?"  Your first reply here was calling my opinion a joke.  You already have this method down.  You're just too dishonest to admit it.<br><br>Notice how I avoided accusing you of anything until AFTER you started outright lying about movies and flaunting it as objective fact.<br><br>You insulted ME first, pal.  I didn't insult you for anything other than lying to win an argument.  Not for your opinions, not for your celebrity crush, for being a disingenuous twat. <br><br>Your lack of self-awareness is astounding.<br><br>"Reviews, RT scores, and crappy film blog "think pieces" are also not proof of quality."<br><br>Then it's a good thing I never quoted a single one of those, let alone as objective proof, isn't it?<br><br>Man, appeal to authority, appeal to popularity, mistaking correlation for causation, slothful induction, strawmanning, I could make a bingo game outta this.<br><br>"So that flick, according to you, turned a profit.......but TLK - budget of also $200 million and with a worldwide gross of $605 million..........is a bomb?"<br><br>Not "according to me."  According to the studios that make the actual films.  And Forbes.  Remember Forbes?  You considered their word inarguable fact a couple posts ago.<br><br>https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2013/09/02/pacif ic-rim-and-more-domestic-flops-that-became-global-hits/#3f3e 914d7c18<br><br>Well whaddaya know?<br><br>Pacific Rim was a domestic bomb that turned things around with its international box office.<br><br>That thing you said TF5 was but actually wasn't.<br><br>The Last Knight lost about $100M according to Paramount themselves.  That doesn't sound like an international success to me.<br><br>Maybe it does to you, but I can't speak for that little fantasy world you seem to be living in right now.<br><br>Wow!  Just wow!
ThxSeville, The Bait, Ambrose Welcomes Nyah, Chimera Myth, Beach Fight, Ambrose Dies.Can we stop? I agree with the other guy more in his points, but it's clear that this is gonna keep going nowhere if you're gonna be so overly defensive about something that you claim is merely subjective.But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br>======================<br><br><br>Why do Bay naysayers pretend that Bay only directs TF movies? It's very interesting...... Pretty much all complaints against Bay are connected to the TF movies.<br><br>Newsflash: Bay was a proven and very successful action filmmaker wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before TF1. <br><br>So no, "challenging the viewer" is not about Transformers. You chose to focus on these movies. Not me. I was actually reffering to Bay movies like The Island and especially Pain and Gain. <br><br>But I guess you like to talk only about Transformers.....Good for you. But that's not how a discussion works. <br><br><br>===================<br>Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact. I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here. It's psychotic.<br>===================<br><br><br>So let me get this straight: trying to be as objective as possible, in a non-threating way, quoting people who actually know what they're talking about and certainly not treating my opinion as fact, makes me......psychotic? <br><br>Wow! Just wow!<br><br>Next time, I'll just act like a complete jerk, insulting everyone and everything. For you, that is apparently the normal behavior.<br><br><br>======<br>Bad movies make money. Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.<br>=======<br><br>Reviews, RT scores, and crappy film blog "think pieces" are also not proof of quality. Also, a "bad" movie to you is the greatest movie for the guy walking next to you on the street. As Kevin Smith said: "Every movie is someone's favorite movie". <br><br>Let's try to keep that in mind.<br><br><br>============<br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br>============<br><br>Really?<br><br>Then what do you have to say about Pacific Rim 1. I present to you.......the pure numbers:<br><br>Budget: $200 million. And that doesn't include the marketing cost.<br>Worldwide gross: $411,002,906<br><br>So that flick, according to you, turned a profit.......but TLK - budget of also $200 million and with a worldwide gross of $605 million..........is a bomb?<br><br>Wow! Just.....wow!Yeah lol back then only Harold was confirmed.
Can you tell me a names of cues, that was been on Klaus website?Formality indeed. Complicated ! lol<br><br>You can bet Blake Neely didn't need anyone to "write" those 10 seconds !! lolI always found these credits to be a bit confusing. Klaus Badelt is credited on almost every cue, even when his themes don't appear and another additional composer is credited as well. I thought maybe it was just a formality that Zimmer and Badelt were credited everywhere (I mean, how much could they be involved on a cue like "Welcome to the Caribbean"?), but then "No real ship" and "Sword Fight Pt. 2" have no Badelt for some reason. Does someone know a bit more about this?well the composer confirmed he is working on it to be released very soon<br>"It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain."<br><br>I didn't think it was possible for a Bay fan of all people to be this insufferably pretentious.<br><br>I thought that was more Snyder fanboy territory.<br><br>But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br><br>Kudos, man.  Kudos.<br><br>You can hide behind however many fallacies you want.  If "Not to me" and "You do you" didn't give it away early on in this thread, I DIDN'T try to treat my opinions as fact.<br><br>But that doesn't mean I'm going to add a little "IMO" at the end of every goddamn sentence just to coddle you. <br><br>On the flip-side, consistently making appeals to authority and popularity, "B-b-but Spielberg said!", "B-b-but the Forbes poll said!" don't make you objective.<br><br>Y'know, it's funny.  When I listed off better blockbuster examples, you could've very easily just argued against them on the level of the films themselves, and everything would've been fine.<br><br>Sure, you would've just claimed you can't see the action at night sooner, which is rich when you praise the film series that puts the subjects of its action scenes OUT OF FOCUS every other shot, but hey, that's just honest opinions versus honest opinions.<br><br>But using two belated half-assed sequels from different, less talented directors that lost most of the appeal of the first movies, as some sorta litmus test for how well-liked the first movies were, is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard.  That's not objectivity, that's not even confusing correlation with causation, that's saying 1+2=4.<br><br>That's the real joke here.  Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact.  I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here.  It's psychotic.<br><br>Bad movies make money.  Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.  But if that's the kinda road you wanna go down, I guess movies like Avatar, The Force Awakens, or all the Avengers movies, are "objectively" better movies in every conceivable way than anything Bay has made in his entire career.  I mean, CLEARLY those films must have a bolder style and push more boundaries.<br><br>Why else would more people watch and rewatch them, right?<br><br>Reasonable causation is for those goshdarn geek journos.<br><br>And by the way, The Last Knight lost money.  Period.  Almost 100M according to Paramount themselves.<br><br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br><br>Have a nice day.
Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br>==================<br><br>Kinda ironic, coming from you....but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you! <br><br>And yes, he sides with me because what I say is common sense. For whatever reason, you have these strong negative feelings toward Bay films and those feelings blind you to some pretty obvious truths. <br><br>Have to say tho - for a 'hater' you sure know A LOT about him, his style and his movies. <br><br>Just admit it - you are a huge Bay fan but you just want to score some points with the snobbish internet crowd. <br><br><br><br>============<br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br>============<br><br>Oh, you're one of THOSE people......"Fury Roaaaaaaaaad is DA BEST FILM EVAAAAAAAA".<br><br>Let me guess: you also think that Nolan is the greatest director/person of all time. On par with Jesus himself. <br><br><br><br>==========<br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br>==========<br><br>Which is what Transformers 1 is. <br><br>Which is why the movie connected with audiences. It was - at its heart - a story about a boy and his car. Even the most jaded critics enjoyed that aspect.<br><br><br>=============<br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br>=============<br><br>Excuse? For what?<br><br>My friend, you do realize that Bay in particular is one of the most powerful and successful filmmakers of all time, right? He is the second highest-grossing director of all time (domestically), only behind Spielberg. You can dismiss box office success all you want but you don't get to where Bay is if you're not good at your job. <br><br>Snyder is nowhere near Bay, in terms of success and influence. Personally, I don't care much about him. <br><br><br>P.S. Guy Ritchie (and Edgar Wright) are huge Bay fans. Ask yourself why. <br><br><br>===============<br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole<br>===============<br><br>Your opinion.<br><br>I disagree.Bay walks the lines between being self-serious and comical, but his films aren't well=written enough to serve the former, or witty enough to serve the latter, and the end-result is droll and annoying.<br>====================<br><br>You sure you're not a "writer" for one of those ridiculous geek sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Slash Film? Because you sound a lot like one of those "beloved" writers. <br><br>Anyway......Yes, Bay's movies always walk that line but whether that works or not is........Yes! a matter of opinion. For me, Pain and Gain is one of the best modern satires while for you it is - I'm guessing - "droll and annoying".<br><br>It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain. <br><br>Some of you folks are indeed very hard to please. <br><br><br>===============<br>The first POTC earns it. The Bad Boys 2 doesn't. Infinity War earns it. TF 1/2/3/4/5 doesn't.<br>==============<br><br>Okay, now that statement is the best joke of the year! Thank you for the good laugh! Really! Oh, and I've definitely argued with you before, my friend. You are clearly one of those ten Bay haters from the IMDb forums who claim to hate everything the man does, yet they have seen EVERYTHING he had done. Why is that, I wonder?<br><br><br>===========<br>Fitting, as Synder and Bay are cut from a very similar cloth. Difference is, unless we're talking Man of Steel, I'd sooner rely on Snyder for consistently good action sequences<br>===========<br><br>Well, I would trust Spielberg on this. Because it was Spielberg who said, and I quote: "Michael (Bay) is one of the greatest action directors. He has the best eye in Hollywood." Spielberg works with a lot of directors. But he never said anything like that about any other director. So clearly he means what he says about Bay. And....you know......unlike most people, Speilberg actually knows a thing or two about filmmaking. <br><br><br>================<br>300 didn't try to start a franchise. It was a one-off adaptation of a graphic novel in the same vein as Sin City, and was successful. They tried to make a cash-grab sequel almost a decade later, without Snyder, and it failed. That's hardly the first film's fault.<br>================<br><br>It is a clear proof that people weren't that excited to visit this world again. And mind you, that happened with the first sequel! Talk about a one-time thing, huh?<br><br>At the same time, Bay made FOUR Transformers movies - with different casts - before there were any signs of audience fatigue. <br><br>That speaks for itself.<br><br>===========<br>Pacific Rim suffered from lackluster marketing, and yet still managed to turn a profit and attract a strong following.<br>==========<br><br>Excuses, excuses, excuses.....So you can display all the excuses in the world for Pac Rim but when it comes to Transformers, you don't accept anything. <br><br>Double standard much?<br><br>P.S. That "strong following" is on the internet. The same following that was supposed to make Scott Pillgrim a huge hit. Everyone knows that internet hype is not real-world hype. I know very well the type of people who act as if Pac Rim is the best thing since sliced bread. Total geeks who are angry that Transformers is much more popular and much more successful than Del Toro's "let's shoot all the robot fights in pitch black so audiences can't see shit" movie.  <br><br>Also, let's not pretend that Pac Rim is a universally beloved film. You know very well that there are A LOT of detractors as well. That's what you get when people can't tell what's going on during the movie because you shot it all at night. Just like that Godzilla movie. <br><br><br>============<br>Versus something like Transformers, which has piggybacked on an established IP, relentless marketing campaigns and tie-ins, and a fairly consistent release schedule. And even then, recycling the same bullshit eventually took its toll.<br>============<br><br><br>Wrong.<br><br>Do you read Forbes? You should. Because it's a place where objective people write. It ain't a stupid militant film geek site like Ain't it Cool News or Screen Rant.<br><br>Forbes published multiple articles explaining in great detail why the Transformers movies were successful EXACTLY because they were directed by Bay. Whether you like it or not, my friend, Bay is a brand. He is an auteur. There were multiple polls before the first two Transformers movies and Bay being the director was one of the main reasons for people to watch the movies. <br><br>But I guess you missed all of that, huh?<br><br>How convenient.<br><br><br>==============<br>Friendly reminder that AoE also relied on China (more pathetically then even Pacific Rim did) to compensate for diminishing domestic returns. To say nothing of TLK outright bombing.<br>==============<br><br>First: according to ACTUAL real data, the only TF movie that was saved by China is.......Bumblebee! Yeah, you better believe it. Go to Deadline and Forbes and read it for yourself.<br><br>Second: TLK bombed domestically, yes. <br>But not internationally. No one with actual knowledge of the situation refers to that movie as an international "bomb". Besides, there were 4 super successful TF movies before TLK. So Bay got nothing to prove. He already created one of the biggfest film franchises in history. <br><br>How many directors can say that?<br><br><br><br>==================<br>I know you like debunking Bay naysayers with "facts and logic," but it helps to not be grossly disingenuous while doing it<br>==================<br><br><br>Goes both ways, my friend. But unlike most naysayers, I don't treat my own personal opinions as facts. And if I'm being "disingenuous" then I don't even know what to say about some Bay haters who refuse to accept even the most obvious facts and truths.nopeYou realize there is a very easy and free method to get the music from that site, dont you?Random thought but this got me thinking about Zanelli's history with fantasy.<br><br>Whatever happened to his score for Delgo?  I know it's been accused of being super derivative of his other works anyways but still, it's weird to see a RCP score just drop off the face of the Earth like that.
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MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 0 || 2020-01-14 08:48:00
Ok, i don't remember put this one, but there is goes..

Sonic the Hedgehog by Tom Holkenborg is going to be released by Paramount Music

johny555 reply Replies: 10 || 2019-12-27 21:11:35
I´ve just watched The Witcher from Netflix and I swear I heard Junkie´s drums in some action scenes... is there any explanation? I really need to know :D


Macejko2019-12-28 00:26:23
Explanation is that you might be musically deaf, my friend.


johny5552019-12-29 12:49:58
Listen for yourself and tell me they don´t sound similar...

https://youtu.be/2vg1T-g2KOY?t=43

(hybrid please don´t delete this, this is super important :D )


Mr.Unbreakable2019-12-29 15:06:12
When I saw the series I noticed it! Surely the temp track was from Tom


Hybrid Soldier2019-12-29 16:30:52
So ?

Drum Samples are... drum samples... lol


Iamtommie442019-12-29 17:50:02
@johny555 why is this so important for you?


johny5552019-12-29 21:47:57
@Iamtommie44 Because I find it very interesting to hear such a unique sound from a different composer that has no ties to RCP or to Tom and I would love to know how could they replicate it, since Tom didn´t release his drum samples (don´t count the loops, it´s not them)

@Mr.Unbreakable- great, I am not the only one who is musically deaf :D


Joshua2019-12-29 22:16:01
Tom released some of his drum samples earlier this year on Sounds.com called Desert Dystopian. Any composer can pick them up.


johny5552019-12-29 22:24:33
I know, but it´s not them, those are only loops... in the series, they regularly use these drums in different tempos, rhythms, structures and so on like you normally do if you own that sample library


Joshua2019-12-29 22:53:37
You do know you can take those samples and loops and make your own Kontakt instruments out of them. There are also single hits in the pack as well.


johny5552019-12-31 22:54:22
never mind, happy new year !

MiB reply Replies: 17 || 2019-12-19 03:32:31
Great news! Simon Franglen is scoring Avatar 2 & 3. I've been waiting two years for this news, and after I heard Pandora: The World of Avatar - it became clear, that Franglen is the only person who is able to recreate the style of James Horner. I'm glad. Avatar music in safe hands!
Thanks to Cameron for this appointment, and it's a good thing Tom won't do it.

P.s I like Tom, but Avatar obviously is not his league


Scorefan2019-12-19 05:27:59
Well, Tom has proved he is capable to score many kind of films. So it could be a great oportunity to show his skills. But well, Cameron goes safety and for me Franglen will do arrangements and variants from Horner's music and if he write new music it will be minor.


MiB2019-12-19 15:15:19
He did a new avatar themes in Pandora: The World of Avatar , and they are awesome. Sure that score will be badass))


mpolonest123 2019-12-19 16:16:44
Haven’t listened to Magnificent 7 yet so I can’t really speak to Simon Franglen’s abilities, but he has worked with James Horner for quite a while, and I did enjoy his arrangements for Pandora so this is definitely not a bad choice (as long it’s not a rehash score).

Admittedly I’m disappointed that Tom isn’t attached to these films. Mortal Engines and Alita showed huge improvements in his writing and ability to interweave themes intelligently throughout the underscores. I feel like Avatar would have been a great opportunity to have him expand his styles and grow as a composer. As long as he keeps collaborating with solid directors like Cameron and Peter Jackson I’ll be happy.


Edmund Meinerts2019-12-19 17:43:21
I think the odds that Franglen's Avatars end up fairly rehashy are quite high, but that's not the worst possible option. I'd rather have Franglen extend Horner's score for the first (which I adore, by the way) than, say, have someone from RCP come in and blow up the foundations and start over.

If the first Avatar score is At World's End, then I guess Franglen will produce something along the lines of Dead Men Tell No Tales. (As long as we don't have to suffer any On Stranger Tideses...)


Hybrid Soldier2019-12-19 17:53:23
He got the job.

Now let's see if he survives it !


johny5552019-12-20 11:41:49
I have nothing against Franglen, but in my opinion, he will be replaced very soon...


johny5552019-12-20 11:46:27
but according to Film Music Reporter, Franglen is just composing SONGS for the Avatar sequels, not the actual score... we´ll see


MiB2019-12-20 15:14:58
Lol, the article on filmmusicreporter was updated, true. Not so long Franglen was the composer of avatar sequels. Sad if he gets replaced


MiB2019-12-20 15:19:01
Interesting, is there are any chances that instead of Franglen Hans will do the Avatars? How do you think, guys?


Hybrid Soldier2019-12-21 00:06:38
Hans will not score Avatar. That's probably the only 100% sure thing around ! lol


MiB2019-12-21 00:59:45
If Cameron was working with Hans's guy (Holkenborg), there's a small chance that Hans might be involved. Or does the Hybrid know something specific why Hans can't make an Avatar?


mpolonest123 2019-12-21 02:06:15
Ah ok, this makes much more sense. Franglen is too small a name to helm such a big franchise (god knows how many films are coming up) from the studios perspective. If Holkenborg does indeed do it I wonder if he will be committed to the entire slate of sequels or just the first one.


BC2019-12-21 05:20:45
@Hybrid

Is there any particular reason that Hans isn't down to score Avatar? I'm not complaining about it or anything, but you seem super sure he's not at all interested and I'm curious about why he isn't.


Shince Thomas 2019-12-21 13:40:06
James Cameron is very selective when it comes to the scores for his films and his style and ideas are different from Hans.


MiB2019-12-21 13:50:00
"his style and ideas are different from Hans"...but similar to junkie xl? lol) really? this is funny :)


Mephariel2019-12-21 18:16:38
Because Hans Zimmer doesn't want to continue other composer's work?

Zimmer likes to do his own thing. If he scores Avatar, he will have to basically expand Horner's work.


mpolonest123 2019-12-21 18:53:17
And you could argue that James Cameron is experimental director. From his collabs with Brad Fiedel to James Horner he has always used more experimental music in his films.

123 reply Replies: 0 || 2019-12-04 15:29:13
just saw No Time to Die trailer and the music sounds so much like it´s Junkie, or somebody just stole his drum sample libraries

tilibro reply Replies: 0 || 2019-11-12 13:14:29
New trailer for the Sonic movie.
https://youtu.be/szby7ZHLnkA

Mr.Unbreakable reply Replies: 17 || 2019-10-31 16:14:00
The album is 18 songs and the Terminator Theme is powerful than ever


Knight2019-10-31 16:23:08
I have to say that I prefer Lorne's Terminator score to Tom's. More themes with melody and the Fiedel end title theme is more sophisticated. Track 16 and 18 of this one is pretty good though


BC2019-11-01 06:14:02
Just got home from an IMAX screening. Really enjoyed the movie, but it's a Dark Phoenix situation with the sound mix where the score is deep into the background where it almost can't be heard in scenes. "Rev 9", "The Wall" and most of "For John" were completely lost.

@Knight
I agree. I really enjoy Tom's rendition and understand that he stripped it back to service the lean, mean nature of the movie, but Lorne's was meatier and had a little more going on.

Highlight for me so far is "The Wall". Love the incorporation of the alarm at the wall. Rev-9's theme is perfect, that low, sinister thrum. Simple and fitting.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-01 09:44:06
Altough i like Balfe's work in Genisys (the weakest is Salvation), i dig it Tom's work, is the most referencial to the original in the synths apects, specially from someone who loves the original Brad Fiedel score in The Terminator.


mpolonest123 2019-11-01 09:46:00
Maybe my opinion will change once I see the film (much like Alita) but I’m not too crazy about this right now.

The positives: Dani’s guitar theme is beautiful and the way it is incorporated in the end titles suite is amazing, Rev-9’s motif works extraordinarily well, Brad Fiedel’s themes are used effectively (with a cool callback to T2)

The negs: The action music really feels like stock Holkenborg, closer to Tomb Raider and Deadpool than Mortal Engines (exceptions being The Wall and For John), lack of interesting underscore, and personally I was hoping for a more electronic approach akin to the style of the first two.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-01 09:53:35
I hate Deadpool (weird me, because i like a lot Tomb Raider and Rise of an Empire) and consider OK Mad Max and Divergent.

But when comes to Mortal Engines (an i wasn't expecting Dark Fate sound like that) and Alita are really good.


mpolonest123 2019-11-01 10:02:35
For some reason I thought Tom was going to use a more electronic sound for the film, I was genuinely surprised that the score is as orchestral/acoustic as it is.

But yeah, I’m definitely not a fan of Deadpool or Tomb Raider. I think his collabs with Conrad Pope have produced his best material thus far, especially when he has a great orchestrator who can flesh out his material.


Shince Thomas 2019-11-01 15:07:36
Tom's theme brings a new flare to the original, but in someway I prefer Lorne's version.The guitar based theme is a fresh take and completely did not expect it to be this acoustic.


HunterTech2019-11-01 22:41:51
@BC I actually thought Dark Phoenix's score had a pretty decent presence in the sound mix. The SFX overwhelmed it at parts, sure, but I definitely heard enough there to recall stuff from the film when listening to the OST.


Ahmad2019-11-01 23:11:33
Dark Phoenix’s mix was a disaster. Effects were overbearingly loud while the music was too quiet. Obviously you can tell which cue is playing but most of HZ’s work was thrown out the window in favor of SFX. “Reckless” is a clear example.


BC2019-11-03 01:43:29
@Ahmad

And "Frameshift". It was actually nicely mixed until when the guitars hit for the Phoenix theme and it got pushed aside for the SFX and it loses a lot of it's power because of it.


MagicLoop2019-11-04 10:41:02
mpolonest123, just FYI, Conrad Pope did not orchestrate any of Tom's scores, he just conducted the orchestras at the scoring stages doing as always a brilliant job with those great musicians. Every orchestral writing improvement (fully orchestrated) has been made internally by Tom and his in-house assistants.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-04 11:47:00
Pope even conducted this one.

I think many people give more credit to Pope more than Tom and his orchertrators (some of them work with people like McCreary or Goransson), yes, Pope is great orchertrator, but many of the hightlights from Mortal Engines or Alita, probably, are from Tom and his collaborators.


MagicLoop2019-11-05 12:57:26
Very true, MrZimmerFan. The whole credit must go to Tom and his internal assistants. Every cue gets completely written, orchestrated and programmed in their DAW sessions when they produce all the mock-ups. Then at the end every cue gets simply transcribed by the orchestrators (external team) from midi into musical notation, but they are already completed from the start.


Hybrid Soldier2019-11-05 13:03:12
Yeah but orchestrators can add colors too... Like they can go "look, your string writing here with 10 violins, it works with synths, but it's never gonna sound good live, let's try that instead..."


Anyway orchestrator can go from co-composer to simple transcriber... Depends what material they have to work with.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-05 13:52:27
But Pope isn't orchestrator neither Alita, Mortal Engines or this one.

People give credit only because is acredited as conductor, if he was acredited as orchestrator, the thing would be very different.


mpolonest123 2019-11-06 16:37:24
My mistake, for some reason I thought Pope had done some orchestration as well. I do remember Tom mentioning in Studio Time that Pope had some input in terms of improving the orchestrations or at least giving some feedback, which I do think shows immensely in Alita and Mortal Engines.


MrZimmerFan2019-11-06 18:23:04
The conductor can give some feedback to the composer and viceversa, but the orchestrations are enterely from the orchestrators

Zac reply Replies: 0 || 2019-11-06 01:28:21
It's a real shame that Holkenborg's rendition of Desert Suite from T2 didn't make it into the album. That was the score's biggest standout moment to me.

MiB reply Replies: 0 || 2019-11-02 21:12:39
The worst score in the whole franchise. Period. Film is actually too. Even Genesys is better of this, score and film. So sad to me.

DT-2017 reply Replies: 0 || 2019-11-01 09:38:46
I loved that Junkie XL dug up Brad Fiedel's old T2 synths for the tracks "Terminated" and "Terminator". I honestly thought that the sound designers just took those metal heartbeat sections from T2's score.

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 1 || 2019-10-31 13:01:09
Up in Itunes NZ

https:// music.apple.com/nz/album/terminator-dark-fate-music-from-the -motion-picture/1483310838


Jean-Luc2019-10-31 14:52:27
Finally!! I'm so excited to hear about those tracks

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 5 || 2019-10-30 04:00:59
https://screenrant.com/justice-league-zack-snyder-cut-junkie -xl-score-complete/amp/

Well, I guess it’s now official.


ThePhantasm2019-10-30 04:32:24
doesn't show anything.


mpolonest123 2019-10-30 04:41:30
Remove the spaces in the link.


tilibro2019-10-30 04:45:47
Can't hear to it, if the Snyder Cut ever does get released, of course.


tilibro2019-10-30 04:46:05
**Can't wait


BC2019-10-31 02:59:03
It'll probably be released in a few more years after the Snyder Cut movement dies down.

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 1 || 2019-10-30 20:15:27
New Studio Time begins 1th November

https:// www.youtube.com/ watch?v=HJXX2lPJiXY


mpolonest123 2019-10-30 20:53:32
Can’t wait!

Anonymous reply Replies: 7 || 2019-10-29 12:30:56
So is this ever coming out?
The movie is out for a week here and there is still not even score release date, track list or artwork.

Very disappointing


MrZimmerFan2019-10-29 12:41:20
People can't be patience...

1th November


MrZimmerFan2019-10-29 12:42:09
Because the score releases (specially for Paramount Musice) are the same the as the movie opens in USA.


Paul2019-10-29 12:56:55
@MrZimmerFan is correct and people need to be patient.


Anonymous2019-10-29 14:44:18
november 1th......


MrZimmerFan2019-10-29 14:53:19
Yes, this Friday, because is the movie opening in USA.


Anonymous2019-10-29 15:09:58
but I think you meant 11th lol


MrZimmerFan2019-10-29 15:31:15
xD

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 3 || 2019-10-25 23:10:47
Is my mind doing tricks on me or did I hear a reprise of "Sarah's Dream" at some point ?


There were some cool reprises of the Terminator Main Theme in the final act of the movie.


mpolonest123 2019-10-25 23:32:49
@Hybrid
How does the score stack up against the previous entries? Particularly Tom’s original music?

I actually enjoy Salvation and Genisys for what they try to do. I don’t think they succeed as Terminator scores but on their own they work.


Markus2019-10-26 12:34:54
Does anyone know when Balfe’s His Dark Materials is released ?


Knight2019-10-26 12:36:42
3rd of November will have the first of 2 albums releases

DT-2017 reply Replies: 3 || 2019-10-24 20:53:37
The music was actually pretty good. He came up with a nice new arrangement of Brad Fiedel's Terminator Theme and gave Rev-9 a new motif instead of the same motif originally used for the T-1000 but used for every villain Terminator since.


MrZimmerFan2019-10-24 21:06:46
I don't remember the T-1000 motif in Genisys and much less in Salvation. Maybe the arrangement in T3 by Beltrami (or is a new motif?)


BC2019-10-25 02:05:37
Nice. Really looking forward to hearing it in the IMAX mix next week. This and Lorne's 6 Underground are pretty much the only 2 scores I'm excited for the rest of the year.


DT-20172019-10-25 08:39:08
Mr. Zimmerman - you won't necessarily hear it on the OST for Salvation and it's not in the film, but it was included in the sessions, used before the 'Arnold' snippet. As for Genisys, it's bold as brass at the start of the John Connor hospital fight. It's also used for the Matt Smith Skynet character. The T-3000 motif afterward is a slightly adjusted version. Lorne Balfe did confirm that this was the intention. T3 has a brass version used in the Future War sequence.

It's also used quite frequently in The Sarah Connor Chronicles and even got a remix in the Terminator Salvation game.

BC reply Replies: 7 || 2019-10-16 23:44:52
Seems like this is going to be a Dark Phoenix situation where we don't have a tracklist, release date or cover until the week the movie releases.

I wonder if it's because Miller is still locking down the final cut and Tom's still scoring. Either way, definitely looking forward to this and the movie.


MrZimmerFan2019-10-17 08:20:48
Like most of the releases


MrZimmerFan2019-10-21 17:58:19
Tom said in his Twitter: 'Details very soon'

Altough, is only a week away


MrZimmerFan2019-10-21 18:00:22
And also, be prepared for more Studio Time for the score


DT-20172019-10-21 19:45:55
The movie is out this Wednesday in some territories.


MrZimmerFan2019-10-21 19:58:48
But the scores comes out in 1th November


BC2019-10-22 05:54:17
We'll likely get final details towards the end of the week or early next week. I guess I'm just a little surprised that it's taken this long. The movie had surprise screenings either yesterday or the day before, so it seems like everything's pretty final.


MrZimmerFan2019-10-22 10:11:30
Think about Gemini Man, the score come out the same day as the movie (in that case, 11th October), and the details come the same week.


mpolonest123 reply Replies: 0 || 2019-10-16 00:45:45
There’s a 3-minute clip of the truck chase on YouTube and I have to say the score sounds pretty cool. A lot of string/percussion work with an awesome electronic motif for the new “Terminator” model. Also, Brad Fiedel’s theme is back. ;)

Kingfannypack is the MILFcommander reply Replies: 0 || 2019-10-09 07:11:10
DUN DUN DUN DUNDUN

DUN DUN DUN DUNDUN

T2 soundtrack is god

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 19 || 2019-10-04 02:57:51
Soon!


Jean-Luc2019-10-04 13:32:23
I'm very excited about this soundtrack, I bet that the soundtrack will release on Halloween this month. I have a feeling about Terminator, Dark Fate score might sound like Mad Max Fury Road or something new like that. I hope terminator dark fate should bring terminator main theme from the first movie or second movie, it's would be cool to put in the beginning movie.


Anonymous2019-10-04 18:25:04
brad fiedel’s terminator theme is in every single film


Hybrid Soldier2019-10-04 21:59:33
It's not used in Salvation. Briefly in T3 (End Title ?) and there's a lot of Fiedel used in Lorne's.


johny5552019-10-04 22:02:00
it was used in Salvation, two times :D


mpolonest123 2019-10-04 22:09:11
The actual melody isn’t used in Salvation, just the “dun-dun-dundun”


mpolonest123 2019-10-04 22:10:30
^ Unless that was tracked in....


Anonymous2019-10-04 22:11:59
salvation still has it even if it’s not on the ost. it’s in the beginning of teh film


Scorefan2019-10-05 23:18:00
Ummmmm Tomo scored Alita Battle Angel and now Terminato Dark Fate. Is this a posibility Tom score Avatar sequels?


DT-20172019-10-06 09:50:36
Salvation just used the 'du-dun-dun-du-dun' part - in the opening titles, the Arnold reveal scene and in the finale. The actual theme itself is never used and apparently McG didn't want it used either. T3 had it but only in the end credits. Genisys at least used it in the opening of the film.

I get the feeling we'll get more arrangements of it this time around as well as a 'main title' arrangement.


Edmund Meinerts2019-10-06 10:13:40
Scorefan, I agree with you, it really feels like Cameron is using these projects to let JXL "audition" for the Avatar sequels. Alita wasn't a bad score and I think Terminator is a good fit for his style, but I still really hope Cameron goes a different direction with Avatar (hint: James Newton Howard). I don't think JXL has what it takes to follow in the footsteps of Horner.


MrZimmerFan2019-10-06 11:33:02
Edmund, Alita have many moments when you think Horner composed that.


johny5552019-10-06 11:36:14
Question of the day: would JXL use Horner's famous trumpet motif? :D


mpolonest123 2019-10-06 14:26:57
I wouldn’t be surprised if James Cameron was using these projects to test JXL’s ability to handle big budget films, as well as building a professional relationship with him. Seeing as how he only worked with two prior composers in the past, it would be an interesting collaboration.

And no, JXL is definitely no James Horner. But seeing how his involvement with Peter Jackson turned out Mortal Engines (the best score he has done so far imo), I would love to hear what he could deliver when working with a perfectionist like James Cameron.


Mr.Unbreakable2019-10-06 16:17:34
A good option would be to sign James Newton Howard and Hans Zimmer, but this time Newton Howard is the one who makes up the majority of the movie.


Hybrid Soldier2019-10-06 16:23:10
Hans is an absolute no go for Avatar 2 ! Trust me...


mpolonest123 2019-10-06 16:35:43
@Hybrid
Good! Considering there are about 50 sequels to Avatar in production I would rather have Hans working on a variety of projects, instead of devoting his time to those. JNH would be a cool choice, I think he has the chops to turn out some amazing themes.

And while on the topic of JXL, apparently Snyder is pushing to get his cut of Justice League completed/released. I wonder if there is a possibility of us finally getting to hear Junkie’s score finally, or at least having him actually get to finish whatever he started.


Mr.Unbreakable2019-10-06 17:01:18
Why is it that Hans doesn't want to make Avatar?


Anonymous2019-10-07 03:42:01
because hes worked with tony scott, ridley scott, michael bay and terrence malick. directors with a reputation about their music. he doesn't need to work with james cameron lmao


Miralsice2019-10-07 15:03:27
How about that Tim Miller hired Junkie again, since they had worked together on Deadpool and Tom write music for one episode of "Love Death and Robots" produced by Tim. And don't forget about Sonic live action where Miller also worked as executive producer. I think they are good friends, don't they?

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