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I'm just waiting for Gemini Man, that (i hope) would be funI love that cue.So I created a page for it, move away from Ghost In The Shell !! :PI wonder if this track is the one causing consternation: Nils Frahm: 'Says' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIwwjy4slI8<br><br>It sounds a bit like what Richter and Balfe could produce, but it is much more artistic than Balfe and much more synth-based than Richter. Frahm is credited for additional music.Not writing negative comments about Balfe for the purpose of writing negative comments - ie. trolling - but for the fact that Balfe does not seem to take film composition seriously. Goldsmith had a similar pace in the 1990s that equates to contemporary Balfe, but he managed to produce fantastic scores like Air Force One in a few weeks (yes, with some help from McNeeely). Balfe simply does not seem to have those skills so he resorts to cliches and drony nonsense. I await to be proven wrong. That Balfe track is not half-bad so I do maintain a general sense of expectation for this.
Not any more lame than the Balfe cueLorne says it will be released and insists it’s not a GITS situation.That's been standard in certain cases, though considerably less nowadays with how complicated these situations have become.<br><br>Having heard both tracks posted, both give me little on their own. I'm sure they work better in the context of the film, and we might see better tracks unveiled eventually.He deserve better.Hans and Lorne like twins. Lorne has a very good personality. I still don't understand why some people are still writing bad comments to Lorne?Probably... lol
So is this how it’s gonna be? Official release for Richter and leaks by Balfe :(Lorne posted a track from Ad Astra on his YouTube channelThank you. And i suppose "Need You Busting My Balls - End Credits" title would correspond to ASCAP "Need You Busting My Balls" + "RUSH END CREDITS", while "Just Married" to "RUSH MAIN ON END"?That’s literally the best part of the score though. But it’s typical Richter (Miss Sloane, Black Mirror: Nosedive).Hunt Drunken Weirdness is barely a cue actually, it's just a patch up of sound designs by Mel...<br><br>Italian Party is a name I made up for a cue that's not used in the movie ! :)
In ASCAP there is a cue "HUNT DRUNKEN WEIRDNESS" - is this by a chance an alias to "Italian Party", which is absent in ASCAP. Though there are different credits Zimmer/Wesson vs Zimmer/Klebe.https://open.spotify.com/ track/2UcUL4jytfVpW0jSXi3Ggi?si=ETyixI67R5u9AOU1YuClPw<br><br>very lame the cue from Max...Tom Holkenborg:<br><br>After Funeral<br>Anguilo Bugged<br>Bathroom<br>Big Italian Dead<br>Billy Connolly Lunch<br>End Credit Suite<br>Main Title Theme<br>Bring Jimmy Into The Tent<br>Connolly and Marianne In The Kitchen<br>Death of Deborah<br>Death of Halloran<br>Death of McIntyre<br>Death of Mickey<br>Death of Wheeler<br>The Disappearance of Whitey Bulger<br>Halloran Interview<br>Hospital Cafeteria<br>I’ll Ask You Again<br>Informing Connolly <br>Jimmy and Marianne/Loading Valhalla<br>Jimmy and Connolly’s First Meeting<br>Make A Case Against Him<br>McGuire’s Phone Call<br>Native of Southie<br>Picking Up Tommy King<br>Source Overlay<br>Steak Dinner<br>There’s Nothing More I’m Going To Know<br>Utmost Respect<br>We’re Doing This<br>2 MinutesTom Holkenborg:<br><br>Jimmy Arrives at Cabin<br>Main On Ends<br>Opening <br>Main Title Transition<br>Alley Transition<br>Happy Ending <br>Hospital Visit<br>Because You’re Trash<br>Cops Take Michael <br>Execution/Foot Chase<br>I Used To Watch Your Fights Pt. 1-3<br>I’m Coming After Michael Pt. 1-2<br>Jimmy Calls On Michael<br>Michael Calls Police <br>Jimmy Dies<br>Jimmy Hesitates<br>Jimmy Says Goodbye<br>Sean Kills Kid<br>Sean Dies<br>Sean To Michael Transition<br>Street Source<br>Times Square Transition<br>Us Before You<br>Stay Off Main Streets<br>What’s The Number, Jim?<br>Hit Man Price<br>Jimmy’s Coming<br>Shootout in Woods<br>Train Station Pursuit Pt. 1/2<br><br>Tom Holkenborg, Christian Vorlander<br><br>Car Chase<br>Best Chance You’ve Got<br>New York Transition<br>He Killed His Own Cousin<br>The Projects Pt. 1/2Think Hans probably wrote a few notes in a piano mock-up and Lorne did the rest from that starting point... lol
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Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales (Complete Score)
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Length: 125'24
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  1. Prologue (1:51)
    Geoff Zanelli
  2. Father & Son (4:18)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  3. Nine Years Later - Devil's Triangle (3:23)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  4. Ghost Attack (4:48)
    Geoff Zanelli
  5. Confession (0:54)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  6. Chase Carina (1:18)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  7. No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel! (3:31)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  8. Bank Heist (3:10)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  9. My Bank (0:13)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  10. No Longer Our Captain (1:34)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  11. You Speak Of The Trident (1:58)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil
  12. Washed Up Jack (0:33)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  13. Compass (2:43)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  14. Jack Arrested (0:30)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  15. Silent Mary Attacks Pirate Ship (0:44)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  16. Carina Writes On Wall (1:03)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  17. Henry Finds Jack (0:59)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  18. Message From Someone You Know (1:38)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  19. Barbossa In Cabin (3:04)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
  20. Arrival To Execution Square - Guillotine (2:08)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  21. Kill The Filthy Pirate - Execution Square (4:18)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  22. Launch Of The Dying Gull (1:01)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  23. Unreasonable Direction (3:26)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  24. Bluffing & Blushing (1:29)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  25. Scarfield Wants The Trident - Jack & Henry (2:30)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer
  26. Science Or Superstition (0:47)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey
  27. Flashback (8:05)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  28. Horologist (1:22)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  29. Shark Attack (4:55)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  30. Can't Step On Dry Land (1:31)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  31. The Answer Is On That Ship (3:04)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  32. It's Your Wedding Day (0:34)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  33. Kiss The Bride (1:21)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  34. Double Cross The Dead - Release The Black Pearl (2:32)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  35. Ship Race A (0:43)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  36. Ship Race B (2:35)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  37. Orphan - The Brightest Star In The North (2:11)
    Geoff Zanelli
  38. The Trident Will Be Mine - Cannon Battle (7:45)
    Geoff Zanelli, Steve Mazzaro (Hans Zimmer)
  39. Black Rock Island - The Trident (5:07)
    Geoff Zanelli
  40. The Power Of The Sea (4:08)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  41. Treasure (5:43)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
  42. My Name Is Barbossa (2:42)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  43. Reunion (3:39)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  44. Main On Ends (2:42)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
  45. Flashback (Part 1 Alternate) (2:08)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis
  46. Shark Attack (Alternate) (4:55)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  47. Reunion (Alternate) (3:00)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  48. Reunion (Part 2 Alternate) (1:25)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
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David reply Replies: 11 || 2018-10-18 00:17:12
Surely there's more original Pirates of the Caribbean themes than just Hans Zimmer, no?! Klaus Badelt and Blake Neely are credited in the others so why aren't they here???


???2018-10-18 01:25:02
Because they each only wrote one theme and they weren't used in this movie. Almost all of the original themes were Hans' anyway, and those were used, so he's credited.


David2019-02-11 18:58:40
Are you sure??? Looking at their credits on the other scores I think they’re featured here


---2019-02-12 17:13:11
Yes. Blake's and Klaus' themes are not in this film, certainly. Klaus wrote the underwater march theme in the first film which isn't in this and Blake wrote a short curse theme in the first film which doesn't apply to this either. All the main themes were Hans' on the first.


Oscarilbo2019-02-12 21:34:56
So who wrote the Black Pearl Ship theme in the first Pirates, the one used in the "underwater march" cue? Was that Zimmer or Klaus? I thought that was Hans.


David2019-02-12 21:48:30
I agree with Oscarilbo!


---2019-02-13 00:43:24
This might help, it's Hans' original demo for the film https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6wsGESeNjk

It has He's a Pirates and other themes in it.

The underwater march, right after "gents, take a walk!" was Klaus, but it's not used in Pirates 5!


Mike2019-02-14 18:23:46
I'm not saying this to insult David, but it's funny to me that even now, 16 years later, after so many clarifications from HZ and others, people still get confused because of the way POTC 1 got credited. All because Hans had to work on The Last Samurai (which is one of my favorite scores of his, so I guess it was worth the confusion).


David2019-02-14 19:01:59
Can’t insult me! I am genuinely curious. What’s this about The Last Samurai???


Mike2019-02-14 19:49:21
Hans was composing The Last Samurai while the first POTC was being made. He had promised Tom Cruise and Edward Zwick (might have even signed a contract) that he would only work on The Last Samurai and no other movies at that time. So while Hans agreed to write the POTC themes for Gore Verbinski, he wasn't allowed to be credited due to his obligations to the Last Samurai. So he wrote a few themes and then handed the score off to Klaus Badelt, who got the "name" credit on the score. But the whole score is really Klaus, Geoff Zanelli, Nick Glennie Smith, Ramin Djawadi, and a few others doing arrangements of the theme that Hans wrote (and Hans writing for a couple scenes incognito, like when Elizabeth first sees the skeleton pirates). Then Klaus did do the dark "Fog Bound/Underwater March" tune, as mentioned.


David2019-02-15 01:24:33
Oh wow! That’s all really interesting. So how much of the OST is really HAnS Zimmer then???


Mike2019-02-15 02:43:15
Oh man, that's a tough question...I haven't listened to Curse of the Black Pearl in a while.... He's credited on almost every track for themes used... "Fog Bound" is the big Klaus Badelt cue from that movie (the real, 5-minute one in the movie is pretty much all Klaus I believe).

But Hans appears almost everywhere in POTC 1. Sometimes it's arrangements of his themes by the other guys, sometimes it's parts of the tunes that he wrote put directly in like he wrote them... The following scenes are pretty much directly Hans, if I remember right (this is the list I'm referencing — but as you can see, Zimmer's name is almost everywhere hans-zimmer . com/index.php?rub=disco&id=1128):

3. Captain Jack Sparrow (Hans wrote the big theme here, as well as the Jack Sparrow stuff at the end)
8. Breaking the Chains (more Jack Sparrow theme...)
17. Boarding the Dauntless (Jack Sparrow theme...)
24. Moonlight Serenade (Zimmer said he wrote this scene like Cinderella walking into a Metallica concert)

Aaaaand a lot of the final fighting music is lifted directly out of the suite Zimmer wrote, so it's 90% him. But once again, his themes as arranged by other people appear everywhere. Hybrid can answer way more about all this than I can.

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 3 || 2018-08-31 09:01:28
Father and Son - 9 Years Later....

Both of these are great! Most of the other unreleased material is pretty straightforward reprisals of Jack’s theme(s) and variations on Carina/Salazar.

Also, this confirms that Geoff used the motif for Barbossa from AWE/OST, I guess this is officially his theme now. (It’s in Jack Arrested/Barbossa in Cabin/Kiss The Bride)


mpolonest123 2018-08-31 09:04:14
And Blackbeard’s motif does return at 0:27 in “Double Cross the Dead”, pretty cool little detail. Geoff did a solid job with this score.


The Dude2018-09-15 13:56:23
Wait what did they use for barbossa in AWE?


mpolonest123 2018-09-15 14:13:05
It was a motif loosely related to Beckett which ended up getting repurposed for Barbossa in On Stranger Tides and here. To be fair the theme was used in conjunction with him during the Calypso cue. Judging by its placement throughout AWE I think it was meant to be a “betrayal” theme.

The Dude reply Replies: 0 || 2018-09-15 13:54:39
Now when the Hell will we be able to listen to the Full complete score. This is me saying take my money Disney and Zanelli.

em reply Replies: 3 || 2018-08-31 12:48:54
I like some of this soundtrack but it's really temp heavy.

The attempt to cover up the Beckett Death theme and the Blackbeard death themes (which itself is just a cover up of the Davy Jones tune) in "Treasure" is embarrassing. It just sounds like they're being played with the wrong notes.


Edmund Meinerts2018-08-31 13:36:19
Yeah it's not nearly as bad as On Stranger Tides, but you can definitely smell the temp at times. I especially hate that part of "Treasure". But at least it feels like a narrative and there are times when old material gets used in fresh ways, which is nice. Zanelli did an okay job here but if they ever do a Pirates 6 I would hope that whoever scores it can do so in a way that's not quite as cautious and beholden to the past as these last two scores have been. I don't mean dumping the themes and style entirely, of course not, but a bit more variety would go a long way.

Side note, a bit surprised how few solo Zanelli cues there are, but perhaps I shouldn't be - this is Pirates, after all...


mpolonest1232018-09-01 01:02:50
I feel like a big part of that (not just with the music but the films as well) is the studio trying to “play it safe” and stick to the successful formula they had with the OT. When Gore was at the helm you could feel the difference in tone and creativity. This last movie felt like a big budget fan film that completely missed the subtlety of the originals.

Now one BIG problem I have with this score. The mixing. While the music sounds more organic than the previous ones in terms of instrumentation, the sound is incredibly dry and even flat at points. The drums, for example, don’t have the same oomph or strength that you would get from a Hans score. There are even points where it sounds like it was recorded by a smaller orchestra. Not being familiar with Geoff Zanelli’s individual scores I’m not sure if this is a consistent issue with his mixing.


em2018-09-01 11:38:35
You might be onto something. Pirates doesn't work sounding "organic". It just exposes how simplistic a lot of the musical constructs are. Only At World's End really had some orchestral complexity going on, and they also had Steve Bartek doing orchestrations.

Curse Of The Black Pearl has a frenetic energy to it because it's such a rush job. Dead Man's Chest has a rock and roll vibe carrying it. On Stranger Tides sounds like an idea that was never finished - with the Spanish stuff.

This score is functional and good in places (and far superior to the crappy film it accompanies), but I agree the sound of it is really thin and lacking in punchiness. Even the end credits cue with the Carina theme doesn't really rouse. You get a fairly tepid trumpet flourish but there's no weight carrying what's a fairly basic tune.

I think Hans just has a stronger musical voice. With all the talk about "ghostwriters" etc. it's telling when people who've worked on his scores do their own and they often lack something.

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 0 || 2018-08-31 14:22:24
Now THAT is one but kickin' cover. And Furthermore, Geoff has done a great job filling in for Hans in composing the fifth Pirates of the Caribbean picture.

David reply Replies: 3 || 2018-08-31 07:11:21
Awesome score!!


Andreas2018-08-31 08:56:28
Finally it's out! The collection is complete again.


Medigo2018-08-31 10:08:09
Still missing some awesome stuff from POTC2


Iamtommie2018-08-31 11:56:26
And 2 tracks from POTC 3 are still missing

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