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Dunno if this is a troll post or a legit one... but I do agree to an extent. Both Mortal Engines and Alita show a HUGE improvement in Tom’s compositional technique, regardless of Conrad Pope’s contribution (which I’m sure still has something to do with it.) <br><br>I actually enjoy his early works (300, Point Break, Run All Night, Divergent) but you can definitely hear the vast difference in quality over time, and as Tom grows as a composer I’m sure his future scores will be the same way.5 years and it sounds like a blend of bvs and fury road. both of which come after it.Woah, this sounds outdated already, like a bad 90s video game. For the record, it was composed 4 years ago. This fetishization of technology over compositional technique is absolutely ridiculous. <br><br>Now, Tom has seen the errors of his ways and hired some actual orchestrators (not the RCP clown bunch) and Mortal Engines and Battle Angel Alita are actually excellent scores. They show that he masters compositional technique to the hilt. This early stuff - I suspect it will be buried soon. <br>Richter is a conceptual artist, I love his Leftovers score, but come one, scoring to picture ?<br><br>He writes pieces that are used in scenes, not the other way around...<br><br>Richter scoring a moon buggy chase ? Hell no... lol you could see from day one it was gonna be replaced...^ Yeah the edit floating around matches Felix’s almost to a T. Only major difference is <br><br>“Our Final Stand - Showdown - United Greece - Finale”<br><br>Which is broken up into four separate cues. Realistically you could edit it anyway you want if you prefer the smaller cues. Personally, I like the long suite-like format of this release. Kinda like the album release for “Event Horizon” lol.
I hope they at least release Richter's score.My Edit:<br><br>01. Rise Of An Empire - Marathon - King Darius - Artemisia - Man To God - War (13:36)<br>= <br><br>M1A Rise of An Empire (09:48)<br>M1B From Man to God King (03:44)<br><br>02. Greek Council - Persian War Plan - Spartan Fight Training - Greek Conversation - Your Commander Is Greek (10:47) <br>=<br><br>M2 Greek Council (03:39)<br>M3 Greek Conversation (07:06)<br><br>05. Suicide - General Bandari - Circle Battle (7:30) <br>=<br><br>M6 Suicide/General Bandari (02:10)<br>M7 Circle Battle (05:16)<br><br>06. Sex - Fire Battle (12:04) <br>=<br><br>M10 Sex (05:36)<br>M11 Fire Battle (06:21)<br><br>11. Our Final Stand - Showdown - United Greece - Finale (16:08) <br>=<br><br>M15-17A Our Final Stand/Showdown Pt.1 (08:19)<br>M17B-19 Showdown Pt.2/Finale (07:37)I'm not really interested in Balfe's part of work, but it would be a big disappointment if Richter's work wouldn't released.<br><br>But I think there's a good chance that movie (and music in particular) get an Oscar nominations, so let's just hope for the best.@mpolonest123 any idea how to break up the really long cues on the complete? it’s a lot of tracks that are made up of several cuesArtemisia Suite = History of Artemisia <br>Greek Action Suite = Marathon <br>Xerxes Rebirth Suite = From Man to God King<br>Greek Sacrifice Suite = ???<br>Artemisia’s Childhood Suite = Artemisia’s Childhood<br>Greek Attack Suite = Greeks on Attack<br>Queen Gorgo Suite = Queen Gorgo<br>Xerxes Thoughts Suite = Xerxes Thoughts<br>Greek History Suite = History of the Greeks<br>Greek Victory Suite = Greeks Are Winning<br><br>Hope this helps! :-)
Hybrid can you tell us what album cues are the suites ?!well, from what Lorne wrote on Twitter, it should be releasedCool thanks for getting back! I am still a little bit confused though. Do any Basil Poledouris cues go somewhere in that list? It’s been a very very long time since I have seen the film.The Hans cues used are :<br><br>1M1 OPENING CREDITS / MAIN TITLE (USED FROM 2:18 TO 3:03)<br>1M2 GOLDEN STAIRCASE (USED FROM 0:00 TO 1:56)<br>2M2 JACK SEES WOLVES<br>2M3 BLACK WOLF<br>2M6 THE TREK CONTINUES (USED FROM 0:28 TO 1:15)<br>3M1 THIN ICE<br>3M2 SKUNKER'S DEATH<br>3M3 FULL MOON WOLF ATTACK<br>3M3A MORNING WOLF ATTACK<br>6M4 THE BEAR<br>6M4A THE BEAR ATTACK<br>7M3 IN THE STABLE<br>7M5 WHITE FANG FIGHTS SATAN<br>8M1 FIGHT MONTAGE (FIRST HALF USED)<br>8M3 PIT FIGHT (FINAL 20 SEC USED)<br><br>All the rest, by definition, is Basil's score...Hey hybrid soldier! You mentioned on the ghost in the shell page about white fang so I came here! Can you give us a list of the cues as they appear in the film please? The Basil Poledouris cues and the Hans Zimmer cues please
I imagined it ... hopefully this time Max Ritcher does not give him a lollipop and refuses to launch his musicYes Unbreakable.
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<br>Exactly like White Fang. Have Poledouris write a score, then HZ do another, then pick what you want from both.
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<br>Ghost In The Shell was kinda different...In the credits of the movie, Max Ritcher appears as the Main Composer, meanwhile, Lorne appears as Additional MusicI find that it would be best to accredit both and launch the two soundtracks and all happy.Hybrid implies that Max Ritcher's score was rejected, and that Lorne made a new one and in the end, the best of both has been used.  I am right?
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Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales (Complete Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 125'24
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  1. Prologue (1:51)
    Geoff Zanelli
  2. Father & Son (4:18)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  3. Nine Years Later - Devil's Triangle (3:23)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  4. Ghost Attack (4:48)
    Geoff Zanelli
  5. Confession (0:54)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  6. Chase Carina (1:18)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  7. No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel! (3:31)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  8. Bank Heist (3:10)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  9. My Bank (0:13)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  10. No Longer Our Captain (1:34)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  11. You Speak Of The Trident (1:58)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil
  12. Washed Up Jack (0:33)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  13. Compass (2:43)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  14. Jack Arrested (0:30)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  15. Silent Mary Attacks Pirate Ship (0:44)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  16. Carina Writes On Wall (1:03)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  17. Henry Finds Jack (0:59)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  18. Message From Someone You Know (1:38)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  19. Barbossa In Cabin (3:04)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
  20. Arrival To Execution Square - Guillotine (2:08)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  21. Kill The Filthy Pirate - Execution Square (4:18)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  22. Launch Of The Dying Gull (1:01)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  23. Unreasonable Direction (3:26)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  24. Bluffing & Blushing (1:29)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  25. Scarfield Wants The Trident - Jack & Henry (2:30)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer
  26. Science Or Superstition (0:47)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey
  27. Flashback (8:05)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  28. Horologist (1:22)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  29. Shark Attack (4:55)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  30. Can't Step On Dry Land (1:31)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  31. The Answer Is On That Ship (3:04)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  32. It's Your Wedding Day (0:34)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  33. Kiss The Bride (1:21)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  34. Double Cross The Dead - Release The Black Pearl (2:32)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  35. Ship Race A (0:43)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  36. Ship Race B (2:35)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  37. Orphan - The Brightest Star In The North (2:11)
    Geoff Zanelli
  38. The Trident Will Be Mine - Cannon Battle (7:45)
    Geoff Zanelli, Steve Mazzaro (Hans Zimmer)
  39. Black Rock Island - The Trident (5:07)
    Geoff Zanelli
  40. The Power Of The Sea (4:08)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  41. Treasure (5:43)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
  42. My Name Is Barbossa (2:42)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  43. Reunion (3:39)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  44. Main On Ends (2:42)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
  45. Flashback (Part 1 Alternate) (2:08)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis
  46. Shark Attack (Alternate) (4:55)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  47. Reunion (Alternate) (3:00)
    Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  48. Reunion (Part 2 Alternate) (1:25)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
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David reply Replies: 11 || 2018-10-18 00:17:12
Surely there's more original Pirates of the Caribbean themes than just Hans Zimmer, no?! Klaus Badelt and Blake Neely are credited in the others so why aren't they here???


???2018-10-18 01:25:02
Because they each only wrote one theme and they weren't used in this movie. Almost all of the original themes were Hans' anyway, and those were used, so he's credited.


David2019-02-11 18:58:40
Are you sure??? Looking at their credits on the other scores I think they’re featured here


---2019-02-12 17:13:11
Yes. Blake's and Klaus' themes are not in this film, certainly. Klaus wrote the underwater march theme in the first film which isn't in this and Blake wrote a short curse theme in the first film which doesn't apply to this either. All the main themes were Hans' on the first.


Oscarilbo2019-02-12 21:34:56
So who wrote the Black Pearl Ship theme in the first Pirates, the one used in the "underwater march" cue? Was that Zimmer or Klaus? I thought that was Hans.


David2019-02-12 21:48:30
I agree with Oscarilbo!


---2019-02-13 00:43:24
This might help, it's Hans' original demo for the film https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6wsGESeNjk

It has He's a Pirates and other themes in it.

The underwater march, right after "gents, take a walk!" was Klaus, but it's not used in Pirates 5!


Mike2019-02-14 18:23:46
I'm not saying this to insult David, but it's funny to me that even now, 16 years later, after so many clarifications from HZ and others, people still get confused because of the way POTC 1 got credited. All because Hans had to work on The Last Samurai (which is one of my favorite scores of his, so I guess it was worth the confusion).


David2019-02-14 19:01:59
Can’t insult me! I am genuinely curious. What’s this about The Last Samurai???


Mike2019-02-14 19:49:21
Hans was composing The Last Samurai while the first POTC was being made. He had promised Tom Cruise and Edward Zwick (might have even signed a contract) that he would only work on The Last Samurai and no other movies at that time. So while Hans agreed to write the POTC themes for Gore Verbinski, he wasn't allowed to be credited due to his obligations to the Last Samurai. So he wrote a few themes and then handed the score off to Klaus Badelt, who got the "name" credit on the score. But the whole score is really Klaus, Geoff Zanelli, Nick Glennie Smith, Ramin Djawadi, and a few others doing arrangements of the theme that Hans wrote (and Hans writing for a couple scenes incognito, like when Elizabeth first sees the skeleton pirates). Then Klaus did do the dark "Fog Bound/Underwater March" tune, as mentioned.


David2019-02-15 01:24:33
Oh wow! That’s all really interesting. So how much of the OST is really HAnS Zimmer then???


Mike2019-02-15 02:43:15
Oh man, that's a tough question...I haven't listened to Curse of the Black Pearl in a while.... He's credited on almost every track for themes used... "Fog Bound" is the big Klaus Badelt cue from that movie (the real, 5-minute one in the movie is pretty much all Klaus I believe).

But Hans appears almost everywhere in POTC 1. Sometimes it's arrangements of his themes by the other guys, sometimes it's parts of the tunes that he wrote put directly in like he wrote them... The following scenes are pretty much directly Hans, if I remember right (this is the list I'm referencing — but as you can see, Zimmer's name is almost everywhere hans-zimmer . com/index.php?rub=disco&id=1128):

3. Captain Jack Sparrow (Hans wrote the big theme here, as well as the Jack Sparrow stuff at the end)
8. Breaking the Chains (more Jack Sparrow theme...)
17. Boarding the Dauntless (Jack Sparrow theme...)
24. Moonlight Serenade (Zimmer said he wrote this scene like Cinderella walking into a Metallica concert)

Aaaaand a lot of the final fighting music is lifted directly out of the suite Zimmer wrote, so it's 90% him. But once again, his themes as arranged by other people appear everywhere. Hybrid can answer way more about all this than I can.

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 3 || 2018-08-31 09:01:28
Father and Son - 9 Years Later....

Both of these are great! Most of the other unreleased material is pretty straightforward reprisals of Jack’s theme(s) and variations on Carina/Salazar.

Also, this confirms that Geoff used the motif for Barbossa from AWE/OST, I guess this is officially his theme now. (It’s in Jack Arrested/Barbossa in Cabin/Kiss The Bride)


mpolonest123 2018-08-31 09:04:14
And Blackbeard’s motif does return at 0:27 in “Double Cross the Dead”, pretty cool little detail. Geoff did a solid job with this score.


The Dude2018-09-15 13:56:23
Wait what did they use for barbossa in AWE?


mpolonest123 2018-09-15 14:13:05
It was a motif loosely related to Beckett which ended up getting repurposed for Barbossa in On Stranger Tides and here. To be fair the theme was used in conjunction with him during the Calypso cue. Judging by its placement throughout AWE I think it was meant to be a “betrayal” theme.

The Dude reply Replies: 0 || 2018-09-15 13:54:39
Now when the Hell will we be able to listen to the Full complete score. This is me saying take my money Disney and Zanelli.

em reply Replies: 3 || 2018-08-31 12:48:54
I like some of this soundtrack but it's really temp heavy.

The attempt to cover up the Beckett Death theme and the Blackbeard death themes (which itself is just a cover up of the Davy Jones tune) in "Treasure" is embarrassing. It just sounds like they're being played with the wrong notes.

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Edmund Meinerts2018-08-31 13:36:19
Yeah it's not nearly as bad as On Stranger Tides, but you can definitely smell the temp at times. I especially hate that part of "Treasure". But at least it feels like a narrative and there are times when old material gets used in fresh ways, which is nice. Zanelli did an okay job here but if they ever do a Pirates 6 I would hope that whoever scores it can do so in a way that's not quite as cautious and beholden to the past as these last two scores have been. I don't mean dumping the themes and style entirely, of course not, but a bit more variety would go a long way.

Side note, a bit surprised how few solo Zanelli cues there are, but perhaps I shouldn't be - this is Pirates, after all...


mpolonest1232018-09-01 01:02:50
I feel like a big part of that (not just with the music but the films as well) is the studio trying to “play it safe” and stick to the successful formula they had with the OT. When Gore was at the helm you could feel the difference in tone and creativity. This last movie felt like a big budget fan film that completely missed the subtlety of the originals.

Now one BIG problem I have with this score. The mixing. While the music sounds more organic than the previous ones in terms of instrumentation, the sound is incredibly dry and even flat at points. The drums, for example, don’t have the same oomph or strength that you would get from a Hans score. There are even points where it sounds like it was recorded by a smaller orchestra. Not being familiar with Geoff Zanelli’s individual scores I’m not sure if this is a consistent issue with his mixing.


em2018-09-01 11:38:35
You might be onto something. Pirates doesn't work sounding "organic". It just exposes how simplistic a lot of the musical constructs are. Only At World's End really had some orchestral complexity going on, and they also had Steve Bartek doing orchestrations.

Curse Of The Black Pearl has a frenetic energy to it because it's such a rush job. Dead Man's Chest has a rock and roll vibe carrying it. On Stranger Tides sounds like an idea that was never finished - with the Spanish stuff.

This score is functional and good in places (and far superior to the crappy film it accompanies), but I agree the sound of it is really thin and lacking in punchiness. Even the end credits cue with the Carina theme doesn't really rouse. You get a fairly tepid trumpet flourish but there's no weight carrying what's a fairly basic tune.

I think Hans just has a stronger musical voice. With all the talk about "ghostwriters" etc. it's telling when people who've worked on his scores do their own and they often lack something.

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 0 || 2018-08-31 14:22:24
Now THAT is one but kickin' cover. And Furthermore, Geoff has done a great job filling in for Hans in composing the fifth Pirates of the Caribbean picture.

David reply Replies: 3 || 2018-08-31 07:11:21
Awesome score!!


Andreas2018-08-31 08:56:28
Finally it's out! The collection is complete again.


Medigo2018-08-31 10:08:09
Still missing some awesome stuff from POTC2


Iamtommie2018-08-31 11:56:26
And 2 tracks from POTC 3 are still missing

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