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So I've finally decided to give this a listen today, and it was a lot of fun! The general quirkiness, source cues that actually benefit the score, and one of the best themes that I've heard from Zimmer in Moriarty certainly make this one a keeper. A lot of people barp on the OST, but it certainly made me interested to hear the music in a better form. I'll probably have to listen to it again before forming a definitive opinion, but as is, it managed to actually live up to the hype.
So am I right in thinking that the "Shadows" cues on the album are a combination of "Moriarty Suite" with "Chess Match"? Those two run 19:25 together, and the Shadows cues are 18:17, so if you factor in the OST's 8% speed increase it could fit. I ask because those two cues are missing from the sessions leak and I'm trying to put together as complete an album as I can (shame two such important cues weren't included in the leak so as to have them at the right speed and pitch, I can slow it down myself but it still doesn't sound quite "right").
mpolonest123
2018-06-09 15:36:22
They are, although the first 2 minutes of “Chess” seem to be a mix of the complete Moriarity Suite and possibly “Holmes Captured by Moran”
Just listening to the first three tracks, it reminds me of how disappointed I was when the OST first released. This is one of my favorite scores by Zimmer, so this is like discovering it all over again!
Man, what is it with Hans and expanded releases? Between this and Batman v Superman earlier this year, it's like discovering one goldmine after the other. :D
Alongside At World’s End, this is not only one of Zimmer’s best sequel scores but one of his best scores in general. Between the Moriarity theme(s), the Romanian Gypsy influence, and all of the new ideas thrown in you really get a sense that Zimmer put a lot of heart into this one. And that train fight sequence? Definitely on par with the 18-minute action cue from Sherlock 1.
It’s also pretty cool to see the evolution of Moriarity’s theme start off all proper and composed, only to gradually disintegrate as the music progresses. By “Pre-Vis Finale” the theme is boiled down to only three notes. There is so much genius here, and the score never resorts to temping in numerous cues from the first film to pad it out (here’s looking at you TDKR/On Stranger Tides).
Honestly, I still can’t understand why the album was such a mess? Between the pitch being off to missing important cues, that release was a disgrace. Now, if I had a major complaint with the score, it’s that Simza never receives a proper theme. You have the gypsy sound for her, but no established identity.
kingfannypack is the MILFcommander
2018-05-13 18:50:12
Hans' goes over this score a lot in his Masterclass, you can tell it's something he is very proud of. Rightly so!
Mike (OTM)
2018-05-14 03:30:56
This is a pretty good score. I look forward to digging into it properly.
mpolonest123
2018-05-14 03:42:11
The alternate “Fight With A Cossack” track is pretty cool, I can see where they got the beat for the remix album track. As for the unreleased material, I really love “Paris Bombing Investigation”, something about that cue....
Mike (OTM(
2018-05-14 21:15:55
Out of curiosity, what are some of the things he says about this score in the Master Class? I have no reason to spend money on it, cause I'm not an aspiring composer, but he doesn't talk about this particular score in interviews much...
Mephariel
2018-05-14 22:50:20
He used some of the footage with the music as an example of creating the right tempo for a score. He also demonstrated the composition experimentation and work process he went through as he created the score's music diary.
Mikefilm8
2018-05-15 00:03:49
Is Balfe mentioned in the masterclass ?
Mephariel
2018-05-15 00:19:36
I don't think so. I can't remember him mentioning other RCP composers (he didn't mention John Williams a couple of times I think). He mostly talked about directors not other composers.
mpolonest123
2018-05-15 01:42:13
He uses the Moriarity Suite (Tick Tock) to show how he uses his workstation to come up with ideas and assemble the music...
lol
2018-05-15 09:11:36
sorry, the best sequel score? TDK and Angels & Demons would like to have a word with you lol
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