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I'll try to explain myself more with the scores I wasn't a big fan of. I really like a lot of Gears of War 3. It has a lot of faster paced, melodic action cues, and the cues from Gears of War 2 are improved. Its main problem is it's not very memorable, which Jablonsky is usually able to produce. <br><br>Ender's Game I found to be a bit of a slog. There was a lot of ambient/sound design cues which I found incredibly dull. However, it's possible I was expecting too much, or maybe I was too harsh on it. I'll try to have another listen to that one. <br><br>Gangster Squad was one where I just looked at the comments to see what people thought about it, and the consensus was "it copied every recent Hollywood score", so I just skipped that one. <br><br>TF3 had a lot of good thematic material, and the finale's action music was a lot of fun, but it lacks the memorability and excitement of the first 2, or the subtlety of 5, making it fall in the middle for me. Plus the Inception sound was pretty annoying. <br><br>Gears of War 2 falls into mediocre for me. The main theme is solid, but the action is repetitive and doesn't have much variation. Plus it also wasn't very memorable. It's basically a worse version of Gears 3 to me. <br><br>Transformers 1 and 2 don't really count to me because those were more an RCP effort than a Jablonsky one. Just to clarify, I don't hate that Jablonsky went down this route. I first learned of his existence through the Transformers scores for god's sake. It's just that listening to Steamboy, it makes me sad there wasn't more of this side of Jablonsky. Oh, and honorable mention to TMNT: Out of the Shadows, that was a great superhero score!Gangster Squad was Ok, but i prefer Ender's Game, actually the sound design in that i find it certain interesting.<br><br>In Battleship, yeah, it's nothing original, but for me, is a guilty pleasure, i love the percussion (i'm a big fan of the taiko sound)<br><br>Enderís Game isnít bad at all, there are some cool power anthems and orchestral moments in it. As for Battleship, while I find most of it generic, I genuinely do like the alien ďMRIĒ sound design he incorporated.<br><br>And one of Jablonskyís most underrated scores imo is Gangster Squad. If you want a fun Jablonsky score that strays away (mostly) from the Zimmer sound thatís it. Any score using Antz as a temp track is fine by me!I will disagree with TF3, Ender's Game, Gears of War 2 and 3, there are good scores, altough i'm a massive fan of that guilty pleasure is Battleship ;D<br><br>And A Nightmare on Elm Street was cool.John Powell to receive Henry Mancini Award. <br><br>Look it up at filmmusicreporter.<br><br>Congrats John
Edmund's right. It's really just sad that Jablonsky could have been one of the greatest composers ever, one with more notoriety and respect from the music community, but instead settled for being... a decent composer.<br><br>TF5 was a step in the right direction, D-War was a great monster movie score, Your Highness came close to Steamboy levels, and IDEA felt like Jablonsky's symphony in a lot of ways. But on the other end you have Ender's Game, Transformers 3 and 4, Battleship, Gears of War 2, Gears of War: Judgement, and a few others that range from ok, to flat out awful. Occasionally though you get some decent ones like Gears of War 3, and A Nightmare on Elm Street.<br><br>My point is, we get a composer overridden with bland projects, and musically inept directors, when he had the potential for being Oscar level.This just occurred to me. 1:44-2:10ish in Remember Who You Are kind of sounds like part of Mozartís Ave Verum Corpus...and we know Hans is a fan of that piece...@mpolonest: I'm the opposite side: BvS grown each time i listened.<br><br>Not the same for MoS ;D@DS<br><br>You are absolutely right, and it was something that I did think about while I was writing the post, I just never clarified it. <br><br>But that also has the opposite effect as well. I've had plenty of scores/songs which originally I liked that I gradually grew to dislike or simply lose interest. One of the most recent ones is BvS, which I enjoyed when it came out but looking back is probably one of my least favorite Zimmer scores.@Edmund @Ds totally agree! This days the only composer that convince me is Steven Price.
Is there a Balfe score that is not very temped? Every single Balfe score I listened to is basically giving an old score a fresh set of paint.mpolonest123: it's difficult to compare scores that are 10 years old and that you had plenty of time to digest, with brand new scores you've only heard a couple of times.<br><br>You said it yourself, when Clash of the Titans came out you thought it was generic and forgettable. It's only later that you noticed all these themes and all the work Djawadi put into it.<br><br>And actually it works like that with any new album released by any major artist. Fans are always like "it sucks, I prefer their previous albums". And yet 5 years later they love all these songs and know them by heart. :-pEdmund: I see your point, and if everyone could become 100% objective it would be actually true. But in practice, our personal tastes play a heavy role in deciding whether a score is interesting or fun or creative or intelligent or enjoyable. Some people like very classical, orchestral music more than anything else; even if JXL was creating the craziest soundtrack ever, his sound palette and synthetic approach alone would be enough to make these people dislike the score and say it's rubbish. The level of detail he put in Tomb Raider is astonishing, but sadly it'll only be noticed by people who are not upset by this style of brutal and synthetic environment. Of course it also works the other way, dry orchestral scores like Giacchino frequently writes do nothing to me, I don't particularly like this kind of sound, so I never spent a lot of time listening to them. As a consequence, I never was able to dissect them to discover all their (I guess) richness, subtleties, etc. So from my point of view, almost all Giacchino scores sound the same way and are not interesting, and I don't understand how and why he keeps getting all those major assignments. That's to say, our personal preferences will always interfere with our judgment, even if we honestly try to be fair.I feel like I see/have this kind of conversation on film music boards all the time. The approach isn't the problem, it's the execution. For example, when Man of Steel came out:<br><br>me: "I'm a bit disappointed by Man of Steel, it has its moments but I don't think it's a very good score overall"<br>fanboys: "JOHN WILLIAMS WAS YESTERDAY, ZIMMER IS TODAY, THIS IS A DIFFERENT SUPERMAN BLAH BLAH BLAH GET OVER IT"<br>me: "...did I mention Williams?"<br><br>or else Mad Max: Fury Road<br><br>me: "Mad Max is a decent score but I feel like the film deserved much more"<br>fanboys: "THERE'S LITERALLY A DUDE ON A DRUM CAR WITH A FLAMETHROWER GUITAR WHAT DID YOU EXPECT"<br>me: "...a composer who does more interesting things with those drums and that guitar?"<br><br>All over the place. It was really aggravating. This is a similar situation A talented film composer can write interesting, engaging music in all sorts of styles, for all sorts of films and under all sorts of directorial conditions. My issue with Tomb Raider isn't that it's not a traditional Jerry Goldsmith adventure score. I never expected that from this film, and certainly not from this composer. It's just not a very interesting or intelligent or enjoyable version of what it's trying to be, and that's the bottom line.@mrzimmerfan <br><br>I completely agree with you. Tomb Raider definitely didnít need a traditional score at all. And I love all the scores youíve mentioned. I even donít have a problem with the approach he took.<br><br>But I just donít like the score as is. We just have to agree to disagree, no harm done. :-)
I don't think he means that, just that it would have been interesting if Jablonsky had gone more into animated movies like Powell did, rather than mostly Michael Bay. I think maybe we got a hint of what that could have been like with Your Highness a few years ago, a score I'll always defend, but yeah...the lack of follow-up to Steamboy is a great tragedy in Jablonsky's career.@mpolonest: I will enjoyed more Run All Night than Mad Max, hell, even The Dark Tower.<br><br>But with Tomb Raider, this movie is harsh, with a real character, and an adventure score a la Goldsmith or JNH, will not benefit anything about it. And in there, there is a lot of great sounds and ideas pop up in all the score.<br><br>And this is telling you a guy who LOVE The Mummy, The Mummy Returns, the entire Indiana Jones and Jumanji scores.@mpolonest: I will enjoyed more Run All Night than Mad Max, hell, even The Dark Tower.<br><br>But with Tomb Raider, this movie is harsh, with a real character, and an adventure score a la Goldsmith or JNH, will not benefit anything about it. And in there, there is a lot of great sounds and ideas pop up in all the score.<br><br>And this is telling you a guy who LOVE The Mummy, The Mummy Returns, the entire Indiana Jones and Jumanji scores.I don't think Jablonsky is going to be a new John Powell ;)<br><br>But this one of his most notable efforts, i will said that.This is feels like a very temped soundtrack, only that explains why the score is so generic. I wonder which movies music scenes producer-director used to make lorne do this. <br><br>Track 8 - is Tron legacy (dont know maybe he worked on it, powell was involved maybe he was too)

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The Hurricane Heist
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  1. Hurricane Heist (4:13)
  2. Brothers (4:11)
  3. The Compound (4:07)
  4. In On It (2:10)
  5. Back In Utah (1:40)
  6. Tower Down (4:53)
  7. Follow Me (2:29)
  8. Twist Of Fate (2:22)
  9. The Garage (1:39)
  10. Take The Fight To Them (2:35)
  11. The Rutledge Boys Go To Work (3:11)
  12. The Chase (1:50)
  13. Final Showdown (3:45)
  14. The Storm (3:01)
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FaresTdkr reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-13 14:31:23
Did you hear something from Divergent Triology by junkie XL and joseph trapense? I mean the Storm Track...

Guzz reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-12 14:41:23
Lorne Balfe = Benicio del Toro?

superultramegaa reply Replies: 14 || 2018-03-11 01:51:20
Maybe Lorne should choose more projects like Ghost in the Shell. Something that allows him to incorporate more style and electronics, because these generic action movies are giving him nothing to work with. He seems to me like he would have been a great composer in the 80s. With synth mixed with a little bit of orchestral elements to give a more other worldly/ethereal feeling.

He should do more sci-fi video games and movies. That would probably allow him to incorporate that style more, and allow him to become more unique, and get away from Zimmer's shadow. Rather than copy RCP action music.

Peter2018-03-11 02:08:58
Iím totally confused with as a lover of the Media Ventures sound why does Balfe seems to get harsh criticism. It really seems there are a hand full of haters that seem to constantly wish to moan and bitch about him. Get over it idiots !!

Edmund Meinerts2018-03-11 12:03:22
Are we not allowed to be critical? Because if that's the case discussions are going to get very boring, very fast.

superultramegaa2018-03-11 13:35:42
My criticism wasn't harsh! I said I wanted him to get more projects that would allow his unique talents to shine through. I like Ghost in the Shell, and I think Lorne has a lot of potential with that type of score. That is all I'm saying! How in any way is this bitch and moaning? Because I'm not on my hands and knees saying, "Oh Balfe, you bless us with your godly talent! May we please wash your feet Mr. Balfe? You are a god to your people!"

Olive2018-03-11 14:35:54
The same for Holkenborg. Tomb Raider was a shameful score.

rockhound2018-03-11 14:56:49
I would like to hear the orchestral Lorne Balfe more often. IRONCLAD is his best so far. An orchestral/Synth Mix is nothing original anymore.

mpolonest123 2018-03-11 15:02:09
Have you not heard Beyond Two Souls or Blackwood? Lorne is probably one of the best when it comes to orchestral/synth mixes. The issue is when he works with directors with zero musical knowledge. Same with Junkie XL.

rockhound2018-03-11 15:15:52
I have both scores and i like them alot, but i dont want to hear just synth/orchestral scores. Ironclad was something unique for Lorne. I really wish he would compose more often in that style.

Olive2018-03-11 15:38:34
I dare say Holkenborg's mistake was much more glaring than Balfe's. Hurricane is a film derived from the rapturous series of Fast and Furious. There is no way to stand out. XL, on the other hand, had "cool" material, the "convenience" of working with a studio that is investing a lot of work on this Tomb Raider reboot and it delivers one of the worst works of his career. It's at least revolting. XD

Hybrid Soldier2018-03-11 16:16:12
Have you actually seen The Hurricane Heist ?

I have, 2 weeks ago, it's a pretty lame movie.

Lorne's score just does what's asked. I find the Brothers theme cool though... :)

mpolonest123 2018-03-11 16:27:43
The only reason I disagree is that the film (Tomb Raider) hasnít been released yet. The trailers look atrocious, and it definitely seems like the film isnít going to be any better, much like what happened with Assasins Creed. Hopefully itís good of course, but if it isnít at least we will get an idea of why the score sounds the way it does.

Iíll take a listen to Ironclad, you got me interested. And I do agree, I donít want to see any composer pigeonholed in one style. Itís just that Lorne is so great at working with that particular sound.

Olive2018-03-11 16:40:11
I know. But I'm referring to the material. As bad as the movie was, there was no way to do what he did. He did not even bother to create an exotic movie atmosphere that went beyond ethnic percussion. We have had previous films of the character and nothing has reached a point as low as what XL did. Another thing, not every bad movie has an obligation to have bad music. There are several examples out there. When this happens the composer clings more to the atmosphere of the film than the story itself. Pirate films, medieval wars, stereotyped archeologists and even bad fairy tales offer the composer the opportunity to work with a genre that opens many doors for creativity.

mpolonest123 2018-03-11 20:10:15
Exactly, some bad films have amazing scores (Chappie, Jupiter Ascending). So why do some bad films have awful score, like Tomb Raider or Hurricane Heist, when the composer has proven they can write excellent material for crap?

Trust me, itís not 100% the composers fault. Moreso what the director/producers demand for their films.

mpolonest123 2018-03-11 20:15:14
And can we please STOP acting like we arenít allowed to criticize! Iím one of the biggest Zimmer fanboys and even I will admit if I donít like something he did. Likewise if someone enjoys something universally hated, why canít they like it?

Example: Most people would disagree with me but I think The Social Network is a genius score. And I wouldnít argue if someone said they fucking hate it. Itís all personal preference.

MrZimmerFan2018-03-11 20:28:08
The only score i care from Reznor/Ross was Patriots Day, if it is that good

Ian reply Replies: 7 || 2018-03-11 02:16:36
I'm honestly not sure why this score is getting criticized so harshly. For context, I'm well aware Lorne recycles content (progressions, certain rhythms, etc) a ton - probably more than any RCP composer right now - but there's well enough original content to this for me to be genuinely impressed. I've listened to three full cues so far (the first, second, and last), and none of them have felt like obvious copies of existing work.

Andrew F2018-03-11 03:33:33
I agree - it seems some just want to bitch.They should shut up

Edmund Meinerts2018-03-11 12:10:18
Actually what we want is to have reasoned discussion and debate about music in which we are allowed to speak our minds and use arguments to back up our opinions. And since that's clearly not what you want, Andrew (or is it Andy? Andreas?), why don't you go start instead where you can make all the no-criticisms-allowed rules you want, and see how well that goes.

Olive2018-03-11 16:52:28
Well, Tomb Raider, Wrinkle in The Time and ... Hurricane Heist are being criticized. The only one of the three that (MAYBE) may grow over time is "Wrinkle".

Olive2018-03-11 16:56:36
However I agree with @Ian that, in this case, we should be aware that the production of the film must have at least 65 percent of the responsability by the end result.

MrZimmerFan2018-03-11 17:58:16
I find Wrinkle a good score, but not too memorable and interesting. However, is true the worst of the three is Hurricane. And Tomb Raider, i liked it.

Olive2018-03-11 19:04:23
I find "Hurricane" less offensive than "Raider". My heart sank into a deep darkness with the first 4 tracks of "TR". But I'm okay with it now. ;)

MrZimmerFan2018-03-11 19:11:46
The problem isn't is offensive or not... ;D

Hurricane have is 'moments' (but I found MORE engaging Geostorm as for this type of score), but less interesting and very choppy and lazy. Tomb Raider (i am big fan of percussion, and maybe is for that) i founded more engaging, by myself. But that is maybe just me ;)

I am a guy who listen JFK by Williams and when i finish it, i put Unstoppable by HGW :p

FaresTdkr reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-11 18:32:15
Come on people it just a movie and music it's not something that will make your life better (in the long term's) if you like it buy it if not keep it neither balfe nor production company need your love if the soundtrack did the job in movie balfe will tell you just "go F*** your S***, I get paid what you get?"...finally"who's am I to talk in the name of lorne":)

FaresTdkr reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-11 11:55:00
Well am I hearing something from suicide squad by Steven price (track 1) far so good...

Mephariel reply Replies: 3 || 2018-03-10 07:41:57
Awful score. Balfe basically stitched together a bunch of RCP and Zimmer scores together and called it a day. I can even hear The Joker theme and Batman's two note theme...

MrZimmerFan2018-03-10 12:50:15
I put Geostorm instead

Anonymous2018-03-11 00:53:11
Of cause you do .Always a negative Lorne comment!

Olive2018-03-11 00:57:36
Add your own opinion here and care less about the criticism of others.

Olive reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-11 00:54:09
This score is a middle ground between "Tomb Raider" and "Wrinkle in the Time". It is not bad or annoying as the first, but it is even less original than the second. It's not bad or good. It is uninspiring wallpaper. I hope better things with Uprising!

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-09 23:27:29
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The Hurricane Heist soundtrack - Lorne Balfe 2018