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Last night I was talking to Lorne, and he told me that in principle there is intention to release the full score.I'd be very interested to hear the supposed Balfe complete score to picture where he apparently sought to elevate it, as someone here put it. The Richter is pitch-perfect and works massively well to picture and, not dissing Balfe at all, his stuff is literally 'additional music' to fill the gaps.Aplusle, that's really well put actually.Don't feel bad. You've just summed up why Hans and Lorne make a good team. Lorne is by all accounts a fantastic arranger and can bring out the best in others' ideas but I sometimes find his own compositions are a bit basic or leave me cold. Hans on the other hand always nails the theme and the concept but his scoring to picture to me feels clunky and a bit amateurish, especially when the music is dense. <br><br>Both super talented in their own ways. :-)Is there anyway o get sheet music for Into the pie machine for orchestra?
Just saw Maleficent 2. There is a lot more Newton Howard in the movoe than there is on album.<br>I actually can't really understand why they didn't include the reprise of The Christening (the dinner scene) & the finale in the movie.<br><br>Zanelli's score is wonderful and I love it very much. But would have loved this on albumI can't imagine how someone likes Balfe's part over Richters. As you said Thomas, Richters work sounds more like suites, and Balfes work is written more to picture. BUT, it sounds to me also like a typical RCP-work with Hans. While Hans gives the direction with his suites and melodies, Balfe and co are adapting those suites to the specific scenes and writing some "new" stuff to fill any gap if there is any need of it, so they become additional composers in the credits.<br><br>And here, we have the same. Richter shows the direction and some cues are real intense and beautiful. Balfes parts sounding like a gap-filler. I don't want to talk bad about Balfe, he's a composing machine, but still i can't find anything remarkable on those parts and so i can't understand how Richters work hasn't been used but instead the more colorless cues from Balfes part :/<br><br>Again, don't feel insulted guys, it's just my sensationBalfeís part is the best I think.<br>It also seems written to picture instead of just long suites.<br>My understanding is the Balfe wrote half of the score but the album doesnít seem to represent that for some reason.I really liked Richterís score over balfesI listened Max Richter for years. He is the kind of select or minority composer who does his solo works and soundtrack for movies not so famous. <br>His solo works are really really good with quintet and piano and voice. "on the nature of daylight" is definitely the best. <br>His sountrack is not good as his solo, to be honest. I think "the Leftovers" (2014-2017, HBO series), "Miss Slaone" (2016) and "Mary Queen of Scots" (2019) are cool.<br>If you need some peaceful music for meditation or good sleep, listen to his work.
Richter did his recording in january and june 2019. The Director himself is a fan of Richter, so the deadline and director are not the reason.<br>It seemed that producers were not satisfied with Richter's music and they wanted something new, that's why they got Lorne. It turned out Lorne brought a very limited new...@Cercei<br>Hybrid can definitely answer that best. Richterís score is used (alongside Balfeís material) as well as some source pieces. If I remember correctly itís a mish-mash of the two.I do know that piece, itís very pretty. Iíll check out his other works, thanks for the recommendation. In terms of minimalism I really am into Brian Eno at the moment. His ďMusic For AirportsĒ and ďThe Lovely BonesĒ are excellent if you like more introspective music.btw, you're saying Lorne recomposed and reworked the entire score. as i haven't seen the movie yet, did the producers end up with not using richters score for it at all and just used the score from Lorne?thanks for your information. but i actually don't understand why they have done that. i've heard now Lornes cues and Richters cues. all those cues from Lorne, they sound very similiar to that what Richter composed, but somehow with less melodies. And you really have to work hard to not use fewer melodies then Richter, as he's a minimalist at its best ^^ with that being said, i can't hear any groundbreaking differences from Lornes part, so what was their idea on hiring it and getting the same style of music, but in a more "light" version? :/
i really admire Max Richters work, he isn't that new in this scene. his style is that repeating minimalism. maybe you've heard once the cue "on the nature of daylight" which was used a lot by many other movies. his last score which knocked me out was "Hostiles". such an emotional and intense score, you need to hear that, and probably see the movie as well (with Christian Bale). <br><br>Really surprised at this album, Iíve never really heard anything from Max Richter but I really like what he ended up writing for this score. It surprisingly flows well for a stand alone listen. Itís funny that the producers wanted a different approach, I think Richter nailed it.<br><br>Balfeís contribution is excellent as well, I particularly like that repeating chord progression (which is starting to become one of his trademarks considering how many times he has used it). Itís disappointing that they didnít include more of his contribution though, since he apparently rewrote the entire score.Lorne said in his Twitter, the first album for His Dark Materials come 3rd November, no date, for the moment, for the second album.Was the producersi haven't understood the fact, that Lorne was involved in this. Can someone explain it for me? Was the director not satisfied with Richters music? Was the deadline too near? Or what was the reason why they have brought Lorne to this project?
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The Hurricane Heist
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  1. Hurricane Heist (4:13)
  2. Brothers (4:11)
  3. The Compound (4:07)
  4. In On It (2:10)
  5. Back In Utah (1:40)
  6. Tower Down (4:53)
  7. Follow Me (2:29)
  8. Twist Of Fate (2:22)
  9. The Garage (1:39)
  10. Take The Fight To Them (2:35)
  11. The Rutledge Boys Go To Work (3:11)
  12. The Chase (1:50)
  13. Final Showdown (3:45)
  14. The Storm (3:01)
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Jean-Luc reply Replies: 3 || 2018-05-28 17:45:22
Everyone I have a question for y'all! Do you think Lorne Balfe is a good composer for disaster movies or fits with action movies or other genre.


Edmund Meinerts2018-05-28 18:49:25
I actually think Balfe is better at lighter movies, animations and dramas than he is at action. He's also pretty good with futuristic synthy stuff. Wish he would use a real orchestra more often though.


Jean-Luc 2018-05-28 22:49:20
True!


Mike2018-05-28 23:08:58
He recorded the score in Vienna . So itís a real orchestra . Sounds real to me but what do I know !!

FaresTdkr reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-13 14:31:23
Did you hear something from Divergent Triology by junkie XL and joseph trapense? I mean the Storm Track...

Guzz reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-12 14:41:23
Lorne Balfe = Benicio del Toro?

superultramegaa reply Replies: 14 || 2018-03-11 01:51:20
Maybe Lorne should choose more projects like Ghost in the Shell. Something that allows him to incorporate more style and electronics, because these generic action movies are giving him nothing to work with. He seems to me like he would have been a great composer in the 80s. With synth mixed with a little bit of orchestral elements to give a more other worldly/ethereal feeling.

He should do more sci-fi video games and movies. That would probably allow him to incorporate that style more, and allow him to become more unique, and get away from Zimmer's shadow. Rather than copy RCP action music.


Peter2018-03-11 02:08:58
Iím totally confused with as a lover of the Media Ventures sound why does Balfe seems to get harsh criticism. It really seems there are a hand full of haters that seem to constantly wish to moan and bitch about him. Get over it idiots !!


Edmund Meinerts2018-03-11 12:03:22
Are we not allowed to be critical? Because if that's the case discussions are going to get very boring, very fast.


superultramegaa2018-03-11 13:35:42
My criticism wasn't harsh! I said I wanted him to get more projects that would allow his unique talents to shine through. I like Ghost in the Shell, and I think Lorne has a lot of potential with that type of score. That is all I'm saying! How in any way is this bitch and moaning? Because I'm not on my hands and knees saying, "Oh Balfe, you bless us with your godly talent! May we please wash your feet Mr. Balfe? You are a god to your people!"


Olive2018-03-11 14:35:54
The same for Holkenborg. Tomb Raider was a shameful score.


rockhound2018-03-11 14:56:49
I would like to hear the orchestral Lorne Balfe more often. IRONCLAD is his best so far. An orchestral/Synth Mix is nothing original anymore.


mpolonest123 2018-03-11 15:02:09
@rockhound
Have you not heard Beyond Two Souls or Blackwood? Lorne is probably one of the best when it comes to orchestral/synth mixes. The issue is when he works with directors with zero musical knowledge. Same with Junkie XL.


rockhound2018-03-11 15:15:52
I have both scores and i like them alot, but i dont want to hear just synth/orchestral scores. Ironclad was something unique for Lorne. I really wish he would compose more often in that style.


Olive2018-03-11 15:38:34
I dare say Holkenborg's mistake was much more glaring than Balfe's. Hurricane is a film derived from the rapturous series of Fast and Furious. There is no way to stand out. XL, on the other hand, had "cool" material, the "convenience" of working with a studio that is investing a lot of work on this Tomb Raider reboot and it delivers one of the worst works of his career. It's at least revolting. XD


Hybrid Soldier2018-03-11 16:16:12
Have you actually seen The Hurricane Heist ?

I have, 2 weeks ago, it's a pretty lame movie.


Lorne's score just does what's asked. I find the Brothers theme cool though... :)


mpolonest123 2018-03-11 16:27:43
@olive
The only reason I disagree is that the film (Tomb Raider) hasnít been released yet. The trailers look atrocious, and it definitely seems like the film isnít going to be any better, much like what happened with Assasins Creed. Hopefully itís good of course, but if it isnít at least we will get an idea of why the score sounds the way it does.

@rockhound
Iíll take a listen to Ironclad, you got me interested. And I do agree, I donít want to see any composer pigeonholed in one style. Itís just that Lorne is so great at working with that particular sound.


Olive2018-03-11 16:40:11
I know. But I'm referring to the material. As bad as the movie was, there was no way to do what he did. He did not even bother to create an exotic movie atmosphere that went beyond ethnic percussion. We have had previous films of the character and nothing has reached a point as low as what XL did. Another thing, not every bad movie has an obligation to have bad music. There are several examples out there. When this happens the composer clings more to the atmosphere of the film than the story itself. Pirate films, medieval wars, stereotyped archeologists and even bad fairy tales offer the composer the opportunity to work with a genre that opens many doors for creativity.


mpolonest123 2018-03-11 20:10:15
@olive
Exactly, some bad films have amazing scores (Chappie, Jupiter Ascending). So why do some bad films have awful score, like Tomb Raider or Hurricane Heist, when the composer has proven they can write excellent material for crap?

Trust me, itís not 100% the composers fault. Moreso what the director/producers demand for their films.


mpolonest123 2018-03-11 20:15:14
And can we please STOP acting like we arenít allowed to criticize! Iím one of the biggest Zimmer fanboys and even I will admit if I donít like something he did. Likewise if someone enjoys something universally hated, why canít they like it?

Example: Most people would disagree with me but I think The Social Network is a genius score. And I wouldnít argue if someone said they fucking hate it. Itís all personal preference.


MrZimmerFan2018-03-11 20:28:08
The only score i care from Reznor/Ross was Patriots Day, if it is that good

Ian reply Replies: 7 || 2018-03-11 02:16:36
I'm honestly not sure why this score is getting criticized so harshly. For context, I'm well aware Lorne recycles content (progressions, certain rhythms, etc) a ton - probably more than any RCP composer right now - but there's well enough original content to this for me to be genuinely impressed. I've listened to three full cues so far (the first, second, and last), and none of them have felt like obvious copies of existing work.


Andrew F2018-03-11 03:33:33
I agree - it seems some just want to bitch.They should shut up


Edmund Meinerts2018-03-11 12:10:18
Actually what we want is to have reasoned discussion and debate about music in which we are allowed to speak our minds and use arguments to back up our opinions. And since that's clearly not what you want, Andrew (or is it Andy? Andreas?), why don't you go start lorne-balfe.com instead where you can make all the no-criticisms-allowed rules you want, and see how well that goes.


Olive2018-03-11 16:52:28
Well, Tomb Raider, Wrinkle in The Time and ... Hurricane Heist are being criticized. The only one of the three that (MAYBE) may grow over time is "Wrinkle".


Olive2018-03-11 16:56:36
However I agree with @Ian that, in this case, we should be aware that the production of the film must have at least 65 percent of the responsability by the end result.


MrZimmerFan2018-03-11 17:58:16
I find Wrinkle a good score, but not too memorable and interesting. However, is true the worst of the three is Hurricane. And Tomb Raider, i liked it.


Olive2018-03-11 19:04:23
I find "Hurricane" less offensive than "Raider". My heart sank into a deep darkness with the first 4 tracks of "TR". But I'm okay with it now. ;)


MrZimmerFan2018-03-11 19:11:46
The problem isn't is offensive or not... ;D

Hurricane have is 'moments' (but I found MORE engaging Geostorm as for this type of score), but less interesting and very choppy and lazy. Tomb Raider (i am big fan of percussion, and maybe is for that) i founded more engaging, by myself. But that is maybe just me ;)

I am a guy who listen JFK by Williams and when i finish it, i put Unstoppable by HGW :p

FaresTdkr reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-11 18:32:15
Come on people it just a movie and music it's not something that will make your life better (in the long term's) if you like it buy it if not keep it neither balfe nor production company need your love if the soundtrack did the job in movie balfe will tell you just "go F*** your S***, I get paid what you get?"...finally"who's am I to talk in the name of lorne":)

FaresTdkr reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-11 11:55:00
Well am I hearing something from suicide squad by Steven price (track 1)..so far so good...

Mephariel reply Replies: 3 || 2018-03-10 07:41:57
Awful score. Balfe basically stitched together a bunch of RCP and Zimmer scores together and called it a day. I can even hear The Joker theme and Batman's two note theme...


MrZimmerFan2018-03-10 12:50:15
I put Geostorm instead


Anonymous2018-03-11 00:53:11
Of cause you do .Always a negative Lorne comment!


Olive2018-03-11 00:57:36
Add your own opinion here and care less about the criticism of others.

Olive reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-11 00:54:09
This score is a middle ground between "Tomb Raider" and "Wrinkle in the Time". It is not bad or annoying as the first, but it is even less original than the second. It's not bad or good. It is uninspiring wallpaper. I hope better things with Uprising!

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-09 23:27:29
... which is now solved...

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