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Hans Zimmer is one of the biggest film composers working in the industry today.  He won an Academy Award for his work on The Lion King, and has been nominated for six other films including Gladiator, The Thin Red Line, and As Good As It Gets. With The Last Samurai he celebrates his 100th film score, and SoundtrackNet had an opportunity to talk with Hans a few weeks ago during a rare break in his busy schedule working on Something's Gotta Give.<br><br>You've scored many projects during your career, and The Last Samurai is being touted as your 100th film score…<br><br>Well, I'm terrible with math, so I'm not doing the counting. It could be more, it could be less – but apparently it's the 100th.<br><br>So how did you get involved with the project?<br><br>If you're lucky enough to get nominated for an Oscar, you get invited to the Oscar nominee's luncheon where they hand out these little nomination certificates. There are usually 150 people standing there, and people are invited up in alphabetical order, starting with the As. By the time they get to the Cs, everybody's already back at their table chatting and eating, and while the first people called get thunderous applause, you can imagine what it's like when your name starts with Z!<br><br>So Ed Zwick and I were standing there, waiting at one of these luncheons about four years ago, and we started talking to each other. I asked him what he was working on and he told me about this movie called The Last Samurai, which I thought sounded interesting and I asked him to send me a script. After the script arrived, I didn't hear from him for a long time and I thought he'd forgotten about me, not thinking about how difficult it is to set up a samurai movie these days. The other thing I liked about the project was that Tom Cruise was involved, so it was like returning home, since I've scored a bunch of his movies – I knew we were going to have a good time.<br><br>Did it end up that way?<br><br>Ed and his editor Steve Rosenblum are such gentlemen, so together and professional, and they basically did one cut of the film, screened it, and everyone loved their work. So after this, they had plenty of time to come and hang with me, and while I usually love the re-cutting process because it's a diversionary tactic to keep the director and editor out of my life, these guys were great to have around. <br><br>Of course, my sense of paranoia made me think that something was going wrong all the time, waiting for the other shoe to drop, as it were, but it never happened. Ed phoned this morning and I thought, "Oh my god – rewrite!" It's just how my brain works. But I think he and I feel a bit odd now: we've been seeing each other every day for months, and suddenly we're done. I completely understand why people have a problem finishing a movie, because there's something really nice about the process – completion is far more boring.<br><br>For Samurai, you used Japanese percussions and ethnic woodwinds, without getting too 'Japanese'.<br><br>My problem is that I feel Japanese music is really inaccessible to Western ears, and I was really struggling with this film initially, trying to figure out what I was doing. This idea popped into my head for using Western-style themes, but applying a Japanese aesthetic to them, which sounds great of course, until I had to ask myself what I meant! Actually, I think it's just my way of not overloading certain things with too many colors, or being geometrically precise about my cues and not making them too flowery.<br><br>The Tom Cruise character is one of those nasty drunks at the beginning, who obviously has some serious problems he's trying to deal with, or not deal with. He's obnoxious and restless, suffering sleepless nights and is very un-Tom. For me, this character's journey was about his need to earn tranquility and peace, so within the score there's this very romantic, overblown and passionate theme. It's like a juvenile way of dealing with life and death – the pain and liebestod.<br><br>However, to contrast with these very relentless themes, there are a number of stark, formal and sober pieces, because I wanted to take Tom's character on a journey. He comes from America and ends up in this foreign place where he doesn't speak the language or understand the culture. But at the end of the movie, I want the audience to think that there isn't a more beautiful place for him to be, that he is at home in Japan and finally at peace.<br><br>There are many useless acts of bravery we do out of misguided romanticism, and this movie is full of courageous and dignified acts of bravery. So I wanted to play off these acts, since both the American and Japanese cultures have a concept of heroism, and I just wanted to see if I could play with the nature of the two different concepts.<br><br>So you didn't want to do the stereotypical Japanese thing...<br><br>Absolutely not! Take Akira Kurosawa's Ran, for example, which has this brilliant score where Takemitsu writes Western music, but with an Eastern accent. Somebody asked me a few days ago why As Good As It Gets was European – why did I write a European score for a quintessentially American story? For me, it's because Jack Nicholson was crazy in the movie, and I felt one of the great things about America is how they always think we Europeans are crazy. So by writing a European-styled score, it's my way of saying that Jack is crazy, but it's alright!<br><br>How do you feel about people who criticize your work for not fitting into the time period, like Gladiator?<br><br>The reason I take these jobs is because I'm interested in foreign cultures, and every time I get to work on a movie I'm thrown into the adventure of whatever that culture is, the time, and wherever the story's taking place. So one of the things I'm very careful about is not to be historically correct to the culture, but, on the other hand, not to insult the underlying aesthetics of that culture either. I remember watching Chariots of Fire and thinking how brilliantly the music worked, never missing that it wasn't period instruments! I grew up listening to Bach played by a symphony orchestra – it's the wrong sized orchestra with the wrong instruments, but I don't think that's the point.<br><br>With Gladiator, Pietro Scalia brought in a CD saying "this is Ancient Roman music," and I said, "Says who? You went to the Ancient Roman music store and bought an Ancient Roman music CD? Bullshit!" We're not anthropologists. Look at he costumes Ridley Scott had: they were more Napoleonic than Roman, which was perhaps fitting since Napoleon had stolen all of his good ideas from the Romans regarding how to make his generals look cool – and so did Hitler! So I got criticized for making the "Entry into Rome" cue too Leni Riefenstahl – but that was the joke! I am allowed to have a sense of humor in my music!<br><br>Earlier this summer your credit on Pirates of the Caribbean was "Score Overproduced by". What was the deal with that?<br><br>Well, I thought honesty was a virtue! But seriously, Jerry Bruckheimer quite rightly asked me not to give him "that old-fashioned Pirate music," and Gore Verbinski, who I adore and did The Ring with, said, "Well, it is a pirate movie, so we have to disguise it." In the end, I spent a day and a half writing tunes, Klaus Badelt wrote a lot of stuff, and we rolled up our sleeves, got drunk, behaved in a debauched way, and produced a score!<br><br>There was a lot of criticism regarding that score, but in the end it had to serve the film - which it did. You seem to get a lot of criticism on any project you do.<br><br>I had the misfortune of going onto the Film Score Monthly web site recently to look something up and vanity made me type in my own name. I suddenly realized that you can't ever get it right. Who do people want me to be? The guy that writes Matchstick Men? Or the guy that writes The Rock? Or the guy that writes Driving Miss Daisy? My need is ultimately to write for myself. I mock myself and I'm ironic about the way I speak about it because if I take it too seriously, it would be a pompous and boring thing to do. But at the same time I take each note I write very seriously – none of them are random.<br><br>The Internet Movie Database always lists you as being attached to multiple projects, so I was curious, what's Sharktail?<br><br>I complained to Jeffrey Katzenberg that I couldn't cross any more Red Seas, or deal with any more horses that can't speak – I wanted to do one of the fun animated movies instead. There's also a hip-hop element in Sharktail, and I haven't been there yet, so it's new territory! King Arthur is still in production, and I literally just got the first bits of footage just before you came here.<br><br>Are you working on all of these projects simultaneously?<br><br>I'm thinking about them! I'm also working with Jim Brooks on his new comedy, Spanglish.<br><br>And speaking of comedies, you recently did Matchstick Men for Ridley, which had a very Nino Rota vibe to it....<br><br>And I gave him credit! I thought, what if Nino had written the theme and I was just doing the variations? But I bet I'm going to get criticized for that because it's not like Gladiator.<br><br>So when did you last have a vacation?<br><br>Well, I went to Japan for a couple of days at the end of November for the Japanese premiere of Samurai, but look, I love what I do! In January I'll travel to Morocco because Ridley will be shooting his next movie, Kingdom of Heaven, so that's like a holiday!<br><br>My family and I are going away at Christmas, and what we used to do would be to rent a house in the mountains and go on these skiing holidays. It would be a crappy house, not as nice as the one we live in, my wife was still going to the market, and we're still washing our plates – so it wasn't a vacation, it was a lot of work! It's taken us a long time, but we just figured it out: we're not practical with vacations – we're staying at hotels! But while the Zimmer family isn't talented when it comes to vacations, we're talented when it comes to work!<br><br>I sat through Samurai the other day, and for the first time watched the whole movie from top to tail with everything finished and completed. It felt really good, better than a vacation. But luckily there were enough things wrong for me to think that I learned something from the experience, and now I can't wait for the next project to try these new ideas out.<br><br>The soundtrack to The Last Samurai is available from Elektra Records, and the film is currently in theaters. Matchstick Men is available on Varese Sarabande Records.<br><br>With thanks to Chet Mehta at Chasen & Co, Jason Cienkus at Warner Brothers, and Nina Lynch and Mark Wherry at Media Ventures for helping with this interview. And, of course, special thanks to Hans.Mulan get his release... through Disney+, 4th September.Mulan is being released on sept 4th. Can't wait to hear Harry's score!!!!Here's an interview about Last Samurai from Soundtrack.net https: //www.soundtrack. net/content/article/?id=112You can find an interview with Hans on his process for TLS on soundtrack.net somewhere, back in 2003 or 2004
The tracklist they posted has 58 tracks and yours contains only 54<br>interesting thing, He never really spoke about Last Samurai. but you have to realize, even when He speaks, its not always the truth. <br><br>The only thing I know, in 2013 doing press for Rush, He really said the hardest job was Last Samurai, well its not true according to himself, if you watch the behind the scenes stuff from Matchstick Men from 2003, right there He says that he was working on 3 huge films, (tears of the sun / Pirates / last samurai) and Mathstick men was the absolute hardest for him.<br><br>also Ed Zwick talks about working with Hans on the dvd commentary sometimes, but nothing really fancy.<br><br>Im sure there is an interview for this film with him, since he was at the premierI am struggling to find an interview where Hans speaks about this soundtrack. Does it even exist? <br>I spent the last hours digging but nothing. I always desired to hear some comments about it, like he does for the other works he's done.<br>I know it's a far stretch for Hans To release docu scores, but am really curious as to what Brave Miss World, Believer and Jalous of the Birds sound like...<br><br><br>@Mephariel<br>You can find Great Bear Rainforest on bleedingfingersmusic.com under Anze RozmanMondo only offered to send me a return label and a refund. No info yet on if they plan to fix it. :-/
Mine arrived today and is definitely sped up.LOL klaus badelt hardly composed pirates 1You know what? I love the booklet credits! Klaus Badelt is the same guy who scored Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl.Thanks Hybrid soldier for the good news<br>I can't wait to see the documental film and hear the score of lorne balfe & hans zimmer.A score will be released.<br><br>You can always count on Lorne for that. It's in the works.
What was the last Zimmer documentary score that they released outside of BBC? <br><br>I am still waiting for The Great Bear Rainforest.I hope they can the soundtrack release for "Rebuilding Paradise" composed by Hans zimmer & Lorne balfe, including an original song for the film. I hope there is a possibility that they will release the score.How to get this at all?Any news about Rebuilding Paradise soundtrack?@Hybrid:<br>Any news about a release for Ron Howard "Rebuilding Paradise" soundtrack by Hans ans Lorne. The documentary airing today. Any info will be much Appreciated.
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  1. Everybody Knows - Sigrid (4:25)
  2. The Justice League Theme - Logos (0:48)
  3. Hero's Theme (4:17)
  4. Batman On The Roof (2:34)
  5. Enter Cyborg (2:00)
  6. Wonder Woman Rescue (2:43)
  7. Hippolyta's Arrow (1:16)
  8. The Story Of Steppenwolf (2:59)
  9. The Amazon Mother Box (4:33)
  10. Cyborg Meets Diana (2:36)
  11. Aquaman In Atlantis (2:39)
  12. Then There Were Three (1:10)
  13. The Tunnel Fight (6:24)
  14. The World Needs Superman (1:00)
  15. Spark Of The Flash (2:18)
  16. Friends And Foes (4:14)
  17. Justice League United (1:24)
  18. Home (3:24)
  19. Bruce And Diana (1:06)
  20. The Final Battle (6:14)
  21. A New Hope (4:36)
  22. Anti-Hero's Theme (5:35)
  23. Come Together - Gary Clark Jr. & Junkie XL (3:13)
  24. Icky Thump - The White Stripes (4:14)
  25. The Tunnel Fight (Full Length Bonus Track) (10:58)
  26. The Final Battle (Full Length Bonus Track) (12:57)
  27. Mother Russia (Bonus Track) (1:45)
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mpolonest123 reply Replies: 8 || 2017-11-09 19:39:44
Well, I’m disappointed. : /

It’s not that it’s a bad score, but it lacks solid themes/ballsy orchestrations. Honestly the music just sounds flat. When Elfman uses previous themes (WW motif, Batman theme) is when the music stands out. But not including Zimmer’s Superman material is a HUGE mistake.

This is making me really wish JXL has scored this. I’m all for a different musical perspective but you need to have music that matches the style at least somewhat. And this is coming from someone who really likes Elfman usually.

For the positives, some of the action music (in particular the descending string line from “Hulk”) does work, and I’ll give credit for the “Heroes” track, which isn’t half bad.


mpolonest1232017-11-09 19:45:43
And for anyone comparing this to AoU....

At least that score had solid thematic consistency. The Avengers theme, Iron Man’s theme, and Captain America’s theme were all incorporated into the score alongside the new material.


MrZimmerFan2017-11-09 19:49:32
One problem: The Avengers theme is by Silvestri, re-arranged by Elfman and Iron Man's is from Tyler.

Is not the same case here.

And when the Captain America's theme is in AoU?


mpolonest123 2017-11-09 20:09:54
@MrZimmerFan That’s my point, Elfman/Whedon should have better incorporated Zimmer’s themes like they did with Silvestri’s music. It is the same exact case when you are dealing with a preexisting musical universe.

And the theme pops up once or twice, definitely in the opening of the last track.



rockhound2017-11-09 21:01:13
i also dont understand, why elfman used his 30 years old Batman theme, which is from another DC universe. and even worse, a Superman theme from 40 years ago, also a different DC universe. makes zero sense. elfmans own Justice League theme and the previous themes from zimmer and holkenborg would have been correct. it is funny, that the only theme which stands out is Zimmers Wonder Woman theme in track 6. really nice arrangement. elfmans style can fit with this new movie, but his theme sounds so old and cartoonish. maybe the movie is like that.


MrZimmerFan2017-11-09 21:02:51
But Feige dosen't wanted the material by Silvestri, he wanted what Tyler wrote. That's why Whedon came with Elfman, to incorporate that themes.

BTW, the re-arranged theme for Wonder Woman is cool and as always the Batman's theme is tremendous


James2017-11-09 21:07:47
I liked the score, from a technical point of view, it is much higher than the previous ones. However I agree that bringing the Batman and Superman themes back ignoring that these are from other phases of the character was an Elfman's mistake. He even had the opportunity to build anything memorable for Justice League, Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg and failed.


Ds2017-11-09 21:18:05
Who knows, maybe some MoS tracks are inserted in the movie with minor editing? I'm thinking maybe Clark's piano theme? It would also make sense Danny didn't include them on his soundtrack album. But it's a pity he didn't even bother trying to do something with this theme.


JBSO992017-11-09 21:32:59
It's not that is a bad score, but it's neither good. I mean, there are some really great moments, the action sewuences specially those two full length tracks are great, and the appearences of the Batman theme and Wonder Woman theme are great.
But the things is that I don't think the music really fits this cinematic universe and sounds more like an Avengers movie with some parts like Burton's movies. The other big problem that I have is that they did not use any of MoS material (unless it appears in the movie but not here) and they didn't have very recognizable themes at the first listen, just the theme that appears at Hero's Theme, that after some listens is not that bad.
Overall is not that bad but I would have really wished that they kept themes from BvS and MoS and that it did not sound so similar to Avengers. Let's see how it works in the movie.

Fares_Tdkr reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-09 19:17:30
I just hate it i hate it all i got this today and i really hate it no soul no memorable cues i miss your themes Zimmer.

Disappointed &#128542;

Steve1 reply Replies: 5 || 2017-11-09 15:35:41
I've listened the tracks.

It's so awful! There is no soul, no depth, so generic, the choice of the instruments is improper with by comparison with MoS, BvS or WW. It's like, we are in 2017 but we have a ost from the 90's. And, do not hope for any MoS notes in the soundtrack...

My point of view is that this OST is one of the most disappointing soundtrack I've ever heard.


...2017-11-09 15:46:51
I have also listened to the score and find it rather boring, however that has NOTHING to do with the instruments. The orchestra has nothing to do with the 90s, the orchestra is something timeless. The writing is boring and generic though, I agree with that. I loved MOS and liked the non sound design parts of BVS so this is a bit disappointing.


Waymann2017-11-09 16:24:02
It sounds like Tim Burton made a Justice League movie. This is so wrong on so many levels.


JBSO992017-11-09 16:37:31
No MoS?! I'm so sad...
I still have to give it a full listen but I don't have too high hopes in this one.
Anyway, what about Wonder Woman theme? does it appear at some point or they have just destroyed the musical continuity for good?


Everan2017-11-09 16:55:37
Track 6, Wonder Woman theme.

Supposedly Zimmer's theme pops up in the film only.
I'm having a lot of fun here too.


Micah Garnett2017-11-09 18:18:40
If it's the same music from the clip, it sounds extremely uninspired and poorly timed.

The music should start when she busts through the wall, not at the end of the scene when the action is over. :/

Ahmad reply Replies: 7 || 2017-11-09 11:06:01
WaterTower uploaded "Friends and Foes" and it's everything I didn't want a JL score to be. Old school! It's not bad but it's generic and not memorable at all.

https://www. youtube.com/watch?v=EQ6mS3Ulgb0


MrZimmerFan2017-11-09 11:16:53
Old School?

Didn't like people like Horner, Elfman, Williams, JNH or Beltrami?, symphonic.

Well, there is a plenty of GREAT superheroes scores with old school music: The Last Stand, Batman, Superman, The Shadow, Hellboy (if you count like comic book movie), X2, Apocalypse...

And this comes from a guy who like BvS score


JBSO992017-11-09 13:32:59
@MrZimmerFan I do like the most of the scores and composers that you mentioned, but I don't like the track Friends and Foes. That little fragment of Superman's theme just sounds out of place. I just hope that the full album is better than this and that they keep at least MoS themes.

BTW, I aslo like a lot BvS


MrZimmerFan2017-11-09 14:49:29
'That little fragment of Superman's theme just sounds out of place.'

Will make sense when the movie come out, I hope for that.


...2017-11-09 14:52:38
I'm listening right now. It's not bad, it just sounds more like avengers than DC


Mortifer V.2017-11-09 14:57:47
The old Superman theme bit sounds absolutely horrible and totally out of place. I cringed while listening to it and I seriously doubt it will work in the film. Danny Elfman was a mistake.


...2017-11-09 15:19:28
Elfman might or might not have been a mistake, however that superman arrangement is not good. Williams would not be happy if he heard it.


Steve12017-11-09 15:33:45
It's so awful! There is no soul, no depth, so generic, the choice of the instruments is improper with by comparison with MoS, BvS or WW. It's like, we are in 2017 but we have a ost from the 90's. And, do not hope for any MoS notes in the soundtrack...

My point of view is that this OST is one of the most disappointing soundtrack I've ever heard.


jewen reply Replies: 4 || 2017-11-08 10:56:07
And another song is out: Justice League United

This OST starts to sound very, very cool and epic.

Smell like Glory


JBSO992017-11-08 16:10:19
Where can I listen to this track? I cannot find it on youtube.


James2017-11-08 16:25:26
It's all very confusing, I'll wait for the official release


Bobby2017-11-08 21:09:47
And then I miss Hans Zimmer & Junkie XL... I was so exciting for that track, and how disappointed it is! totally agree with James : confusing. I hope good surprises coming...


Mortifer V.2017-11-08 23:08:57
So far, the tracks that have been released/leaked sound bad or mediocre at best. Not sure how you call this epic.

Micah reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-08 00:26:44
Another song is out: "The Story of Steppenwolf."

Haven't listened to it yet, because my internet is crap, but I thought I'd let you guys know.


JBSO992017-11-08 08:04:15
For me, it sounds better than the two previous ones. There is a theme that sounds a bit like variations of the Elfman Batman theme and it sounds like an epic and dark moment, in Elfman's gothic dark style.
Better than the Hero's theme, at least for me!


Lejti2017-11-08 08:27:08
the first 20 seconds sounds to me like Pirates of the Caribbean. Geoff Zanelli?

Mephariel reply Replies: 4 || 2017-11-06 22:42:17
Yeah, I wish someone would just ask the director or something for confirmation.


Ds2017-11-07 20:34:42
Since no one really knows who the director is anymore, they just let the actors do the press tour and, well I'm not sure they have even seen the movie, let alone know which theme was used...


Everan2017-11-07 23:16:38
Snyder is the director, Whedon is in charge of postproduction only. So ask Whedon, he picked Elfman


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-07 23:26:35
The director of the film that gets out next week in cinema is Whedon, you want it or not... lol


Everan2017-11-08 01:40:34
Trolly Soldier

jewen reply Replies: 4 || 2017-11-06 14:00:50
Here is a comparasison between Elfman and Zimmer thems.
Is based upon the recent oficial Justice League clip, were we can listen the revived Elfman's Batman theme, and next the same scene with the Zimmer/XL original theme for last year's BvS.


jewen2017-11-06 14:01:46
Comparison:

https ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr-1vDnm1aY


Everan2017-11-06 16:19:13
"grabs popcorn in anticipation to the incoming s*tfest"


JBSO992017-11-06 19:19:58
In this particular scene I feel like the tow themes fit well. I mean, Elfman's theme has a similiar dark tone and so. And the Zimmer/Junkie XL theme is also very great because you know, it feels like the same universe of Batman V Superman


Micah2017-11-07 04:44:15
This makes me miss Zimmer/Junkie so much.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 1 || 2017-11-06 19:02:25
Henry Cavill :

“The Hans Zimmer score is so ingrained in my psyche now, and the emotions I felt while making [Man of Steel], the emotions I felt for the character and the emotions I felt while watching those trailers when they were happening was enormous. And so, that score holds something very special for me and always always will. Of course, we hear a bit of Zimmer’s now-familiar score in the most recent trailer for Justice League, but we also know that references to John Williams are engrained in the music as well. At the same time the John Williams score is incredibly powerful, it’s a character all to itself, and to have both of those…I mean it’s genius. I couldn’t have asked for anything better.“


JBSO992017-11-06 19:21:46
So, is this a confiration that they will use Zimmer's Man of Steel theme in Justice League? I hope so, because honestly, that track that was released with the fragment of Williams's Superman theme felt really out of place.

anon reply Replies: 20 || 2017-10-31 22:03:43
Elfman basically fires shots at Zimmer here:
twitter com/antovolk/status/925463903005528064


Lejti2017-10-31 22:33:29
the musical continuity is f*cked up. the same situation with superman. some people adore that the Williams' Sup theme is back, but imagine this, after Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Zimmer did'nt return as composer to TDKR, they bring aboard Elfman and his Batman theme, it's just not fitting (to me)


Hybrid Soldier2017-10-31 22:47:40
Danny does many things, but firing shots at Zimmer is never one of them...

As Hans said himself, no matter what they temptracked in Justice League, be sure Danny didn't listen to any of it !


George2017-11-01 00:33:26
Yeah I see what you're saying, but i also understand what Danny is saying, too. Thematically, he wouldn't use Zimmer's theme from BVS, which I'm okay with. To me, I feel like Warner wants to separate themselves from that movie stylistically. Justice League doesn't look as dark, so a dark batman score wouldn't fit. And if we're honest the BVS theme was never close to what the TDK score was, and wasn't memorable. I don't like that they ditched Junkie, but lets just see how it works in the film and then judge it. In 2 weeks we may be heralding the decision to bring Elfman on as the greatest thing ever to happen.


Meta2017-11-01 01:41:20
In defense of Elfman...

He's not wrong. Even Zimmer himself said Batman doesn't even have a theme, because he didn't feel like he deserved it. It was more of a two note motif, if anything...Or even a SIMPLE theme, but really that's not an actual standard theme!


Micah2017-11-01 02:44:27
God, this whole situation ticks me off.

While I certainly enjoyed "Hero's Theme", and to a lesser extent, "Friends and Foes", musical continuity was one thing DC had over Marvel in their film universe.

This ISN'T Reeves' Superman or Keaton's Batman. This music has absolutely no place in the film. Ugh...


Saurabh2017-11-01 04:50:16
I would have approved of Elfman's opinion if he had a solid backing for his decision in the form of a solid score, but Hero's Theme and his use of JW's Superman theme in Friends and Foes was a massive letdown. To say that Batman has only one and The theme may or may not be a sign of disrespect towards HZ (if you wish to look into the technicalities of his work) but it is definitely one towards Goldenthal's superlative work on the crappy Schumacher movies. Elfman's work on Avengers Age of Ultron and whatever I've heard of JL so far has been extremely disappointing.


Mephariel2017-11-01 06:21:24
The only problem I have with what he is saying is that he pretended that Goldenthal and Shirley Walker never wrote a theme for Batman.


Meta2017-11-01 13:27:53
Micah and Miphariel are correct...in a sense. Maybe even technically.

Elfman's old themes/style clashes with the modern presentations of what we've become accustomed to. Maybe you can thank Zimmer washing his hands of it. Maybe not.

Maybe you can blame WB for trying to turn this into a live action version of the Cartoon series...And of course Shirley Walker is deceased, so Elfman is the obvious next choice.

And then Elfman ignores Goldenthal and Shirley Walker's themes for Batman...but let's be honest, Elfmanis referring to enduring iconic theme for Batman, filmwise...And Elfmanis right - his Batman theme is THE THEME, like JW Superman theme.

All respect to Goldenthal and Walker and even the 60s theme...But the Elfman Batman theme is the popular theme for Batman, moviewise.


Mephariel2017-11-01 15:21:57
Is it really though? Has Elfman's theme endured past the 90s that well? I don't think it is as anywhere near as iconic as Williams' Superman theme.

I would say that Elfman's theme is probably the most acknowledged within the film music community. To me, that is fair.

Really, it depends on the era. Back in the days, Neal Hefti's Batman theme is probably just as recognizable as Elfman's theme today.


Everan2017-11-01 15:59:09
I remember how pretty much everyone didn't like Batfleck's theme since it was just 4 braaahms and just noise.

And now nobody likes it's not being used anymore. Odd.

Also, WW's theme is in the movie so we still have musical continuity. THere's an extra video in the twitter thread. Only theme we don't have any confirmation is Hans'Supes theme.


Andy2017-11-01 16:10:31
What about Balfe’s Batman themes ? Thery are better than most of the recent films


James2017-11-01 16:31:39
Oh no, here we go...



Michael2017-11-01 16:54:45
Agree .lego Batman was better than some of the earlier scores for sure


Edmund Meinerts2017-11-01 17:37:35
They're not going to quote Balfe's themes from a Batman parody. That would be like if they quoted Soul Bossa Nova from Austin Powers in the next Bond movie...


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-01 18:06:10
Except, Edmund, that quoting "Old Elfman Bat Theme" & "Old Williams Supes Theme" in Justice League makes that film become de facto a parody... lol


James2017-11-01 18:07:38
Oh God! What do you have in mind? Quoting Balfe's theme is like quoting Christopher Drake's theme from the animations in the movie of the JL or in the Nolan movies. Since it's not original, created for that movie, it does not make sense. You do everything to include Balfe's name in every discussion.

"But they'll come back with the Elfman theme!"

Sad news for Zimmer and all those who liked the approach chosen by Snyder, but there is no denying that the treatment given to one theme is totally different from that given to the other.

The theme of Zimmer is good and will be close to those written by Goldenthal, Walker and Hefti. But Elfman was the man who built Batman's sound identity as it is known all over the world today.


Meta2017-11-02 00:51:51
Honestly, I don't care to see Elfman in the DC Film Universe...Zimmer and Company have done just fine (for the most part) without him. Hell, I'd rather Balfe or Rupert Gregson-Williams take over scoring duties, just to keep things thematically even.

But it is what it is...As I said before, this movie seems to be more of a homage to the cartoon series with Elfman's involvement...to me, anyway...

After Batman V Superman, though, I'm like WHATEVER, man...


mpolonest123 2017-11-02 04:37:20
The weirdest thing to me is that they have been marketing the film using Zimmer’s theme. I can’t imagine the studio would just allow Whedon to abandon it like that.

Admittedly, I’m not all that opposed to Elfman using his own Batman theme. Continuity-wise it sucks, but his theme is stronger than what Hans came up with for BvS (IMO) and can fit this take on Batman easily.

Superman, on the other hand, is a different story. As iconic as it is, John William’s theme just doesn’t fit this iteration of the Man of Steel. Zimmer’s take was heroic, but not blatantly patriotic/wholesome. And them abandoning the Clark Kent piano theme would be ridiculous.

I guess we will just have to wait and see what the end result. At the very least, the WW motif is returning so there’s that....


JBSO992017-11-02 09:43:15
Elfman not using the BvS Batman theme, well I liked that theme but I don't think that a really big problem, even if I would have love that they keeped that theme.

My problem is if they don't use the Man of Steel themes, because there is a lot of good material in there that should be used instead of recycling the William's theem, that is really great, but does not fit at all in this movies.

I also hope that they keep the Wonder woman theme because it's really powerful and it could serve as a Justice League Battle Anthem or something like that.


James2017-11-02 15:36:27
It may be my illusion, but I still believe we will have a mix of the themes of Williams and Zimmer (good), a new interpretation of the theme written for WW (essential) and the theme of Elfman's Batman adapted or not to the Bataffleck.

jewen reply Replies: 1 || 2017-11-01 14:01:55
Danny Elfman took the Silvestri's Avengers Theme and reworked and made it fresh while still had a continuity and used that original leitmotiv.

Really Elfman can't make the same taking Men Are Still Good thematic and doing his shit while respecting the music feel of this new universe?

Really this is a total mess. We will see how far they will go...my worst fear is the lack of Man of Steel Theme in favour of oldfashioned Williams Theme...that could be a cold shot in our fan heart.


Ds2017-11-01 14:25:22
That is also my biggest concern for this movie. I hope the Man of Steel themes are well used.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 20 || 2017-10-26 14:26:08
OK I will just put it there because Geoff Zanelli helped working on it...

BTW Danny's "Hero's Theme" of the score was released as a single by WaterTower...


mpolonest123 2017-10-26 14:35:24
I’m glad they at least kept some of the RC “family”, along with JXL’s Come Together cover. Fingers crossed for continuity....


Ds2017-10-26 15:10:39
What an awful cover. I'm glad Hans' name doesn't appear on it :-p


scarecrow92017-10-26 15:22:58
Hybrid, where can I find Danny's "Hero's Theme"?? Thank you


Hybrid Soldier2017-10-26 15:30:09
www.qobuz.com/fr-fr/album/heros-theme-from-justice-league-or iginal-motion-picture-soundtrack-danny-elfman/0794043194733? qref=dac_7


mpolonest123 2017-10-26 15:39:21
It’s a mixed bag for me, the underlying string theme is pretty cool and there are a few “elfanisms” that work. The problem is the main tune is somewhat generic.


Waymann2017-10-26 16:13:43
Tomorrow the pre-order will be up on itunes. 27 tracks including 3 songs.

I think it sounds ok. But the main thing I don't like is that it doesn't sound like Man of Steel. That cover is ugly as hell.


Waymann2017-10-26 16:14:35
Sorry, pre order is up already on itunes. Nov. 10 is de release date.


Ahmad2017-10-26 16:48:49
Yeah... not bad but not impressive. There are some good parts though. I hope the rest of the score is much more exciting.

To think that this is the first listen of the score, I can't help but compare it to "Their War Here".


james2017-10-26 16:58:26
Spoiler: Bruce and Diana. Lol

Well, all the tracks titles are spoilers.


Everan2017-10-26 17:01:30
A bit, but that last track durations, two action sequences of 10 minutes, that will be a sight to behold!


james2017-10-26 17:23:41
The track 25 is a reprise complete of the number 13.


Jonathan Romano2017-10-26 17:52:26
Since we came back to talk about DC comic book movies, I have a question about the credits on the WW theme. Who did it? Just Zimmer? Zimmer and Junkie? Zimmer and Guo? Zimmer and Mazzaro? Or the complete package with Zimmer, Junkie, Guo and Mazzaro? This is a question that makes the head of many BvS fans boil.


Ds2017-10-26 18:00:22
Track 16 is up on Apple Music. I think it is the pointless reprise of John Williams material Danny was talking about.
No trace of HZ themes so far.


Hybrid Soldier2017-10-26 18:27:06
That theme is HZ, Jonathan.


George2017-10-26 19:42:06
Man, these tracks suck. And i was even one of the few who was a little excited to hear what Elfman did with this since I actually like Age of Ultron's score. But this is pretty generic and pretty lame to be honest lol


James2017-10-26 20:14:58
"Hero's" is really weak. "Friends and Foes" is better and a good promise for the rest of the score. However, we have yet to not see any sign of any theme for any of the characters other than the quotes to Williams and Elfman's material from past scores. A thing or another: they are making mystery or the score is really what we have until now. I believe the first is the right answer.


Meta2017-10-27 14:14:52
Aw cmon, man...Yall know Elfman came back into this because Zimmer started aching on about not wanting to do superhero stuff anymore, after Dark Knight Returns.

Hollywood looked around and said "you know what? Now's as good a time as any to bring back Elfman." And here we are.



Bobby2017-10-27 18:42:18
I'm really disappointed by these two tracks, no deep, generic... To my mind, they should not hire Elfman instead of Junkie XL, it makes me think that the choice of the instruments (Elfman's style) is like we came 2 decades back and this is paradoxical compared to what it has been done by HZ and JXL. So, yes, Elfman is a really good compositor, but the fact that he contributed for Joss Whedon's Avenger does not mean that he will perform something as good as HZ and JXL.
I really hope that the other tracks will be better that


Ahmad2017-10-28 10:32:40
Actually, "Hero's theme" grew on me after listening to it several times. It's really good. I'm still bitter about the whole JXL situation though.


Micah2017-10-29 06:07:01
Yup. I despised Hero's Theme at first, but it's certainly grown on me. It'll be cool hearing it in theaters, but I'm still really bummed that Whedon axed Junkie. I hope to God he didn't butcher the rest of the film.

Aquaflash reply Replies: 0 || 2017-10-27 18:14:47
Hope to "The Justice League Theme - Logos" or "Justice League United" (or another track)will be the real Justice Theme, because if not...will be a total missed opportunity to do an Iconic music theme.

iamtommie reply Replies: 0 || 2017-10-27 15:14:13
1: 29:30 of score.

Micah reply Replies: 1 || 2017-10-27 00:37:27
Why delete my comment?

Because I didn't like Elfman using Williams' theme? Ugh.


Olive2017-10-27 01:08:06
Because of the link. The site only accepts broken links. Duh!

Everan reply Replies: 0 || 2017-10-26 16:48:17
Sounds like a mix of WW and Elfman, I like it. I'm sure once the original themes are mixed in, it will sound better. And we have two discs so that's nice.

It should sound different, it's the rise out of the darkness from BvS and MoS, full sunrise of justice!

JBSO99 reply Replies: 0 || 2017-10-26 16:43:02
On iTunes you can hear a preview of the Hero's Theme and also you have the tracklist:

01 Everybody Knows - Sigrid (4:25)
02 The Justice League Theme - Logos (0:48)
03 Hero’s Theme (4:17)
04 Batman on the Roof (2:34)
05 Enter Cyborg (2:00)
06 Wonder Woman Rescue (2:43)
07 Hippolyta’s Arrow (1:16)
08 The Story of Steppenwolf (2:59)
09 The Amazon Mother Box (4:33)
10 Cyborg Meets Diana (2:36)
11 Aquaman in Atlantis (2:39)
12 Then There Were Three (1:10)
13 The Tunnel Fight (6:24)
14 The World Needs Superman (1:00)
15 Spark of the Flash (2:18)
16 Friends and Foes (4:14)
17 Justice League United (1:24)
18 Home (3:24)
19 Bruce and Diana (1:06)
20 The Final Battle (6:14)
21 A New Hope (4:36)
22 Anti-Hero’s Theme (5:35)
23 Come Together - Gary Clark Jr. & Junkie XL (3:13)
24 Icky Thump - The White Stripes (4:14)
25 The Tunnel Fight (Full Length Bonus Track) (10:58)
26 The Final Battle (Full Length Bonus Track) (12:57)
27 Mother Russia (Bonus Track) (1:45)

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