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<br>"Listen to the 'scores' he composed. At best, marginal efforts in sound libraries, they are just utterly shitty."<br><br>Blackwood might want to have a word with you.Too many songs! But at least there is 15 tracks of score.<br><br>BTW, I don't think Djawadi is able just to do themes. His score in GoT Season 7 shows that he is able to do action tracks very well. Also, in GoT Season 6, he shows that he is able to have many themes and develop them in many different ways.Meta your comment is based on smoke...<br><br><br>Do you have any idea of what Hans & Elfman's relation is ? How many scores Danny mixed at Remote Control ? That when Hans was writing Batman Begins, Danny was in the next room and Hans invited him to check what he was doing ? How many people from RCP Elfman recruited to help him ?lol it's too funny the guy even spent the time of typing all this...<br><br>Some people apparently have very boring lives on this planet !These comments by “Balfe” are comical.god knows where such venom comes from . Maybe an ex employee probably.he was correct on one point .He is indeed a trailer composer.He just did the mission impossible trailer!!!
LOL. I guess this "Balfe" guy is one of those trolls from Stop RCP group.Many benevolent saviours explaining the error of our music tastes have surfaced recently, haven't they?Eh, Mr. Ellipsis, I have to take issue with your appeal to popularity. Justin Bieber sells millions of records. That doesn't make his music good. Last year's piece of crap pointless Beauty and the Beast remake made a frankly terrifying amount of money at the box office. Doesn't stop it being a piece of crap.Guys, I know a lot of you probably think I'm an overly critical snob, but next time you do, just remember this guy and realize how much worse I could be. :pBalfe is not a composer, but still he gets to compose dozens of films and shows every single year, wow. He must be doing something good if he is on of the most busiest composers out there, don´t you think? Or you want to tell me that every producer, director or whoever hires him is deaf? Do you know how many films had to be re-scored by Balfe in the past few years? <br><br>
Why you feed the troll?<br><br>Wrong.<br><br>1. Wallfish is a very fine composer, period. Hans is a synth guy.<br><br>2. If Hans wasn't concern about BR he wouldn't do it.<br><br>3. Slavery was abolished 150 years ago. Hans choose to did it and agreed to involve Wallfish.<br><br>4. Maybe true, but it wasn't the thought of Villeneuve.here we go again:<br>Why Hans Zimmer Got The Job You Wanted (And You Didn’t)<br>https://behindtheaudio.com/2013/07/hans-zimmer/Hey you guys.<br><br>Balfe is a trailer composer not someone who composes real scores. He helps Hans out on his projects and occasionally may have a good idea. He is not an artist, simple as that.<br><br>Listen to the 'scores' he composed. At best, marginal efforts in sound libraries, they are just utterly shitty. The epitome of that is Terminator Genisys that even fans of the franchise found embarassing (and that is for a series based on synth scores). The samples are especially abhorrent<br><br>How he climbed to compose music for real films is a mystery. Go back to one of his earliest scores, the 2009 'score' for Ironclad, to find how utterly disappointing his work has been all the way throughout his career.<br><br>Balfe is a hack. He will never be considered a real composer. The industry knows Hans is pushing him and once that attention goes somewhere else, as it does with Hans frequently, Balfe will be immediately forgotten. Tell me - who actually wants a Lorne Balfe score for their film!!<br><br>You rapid fans supporting his work will be laughed at as being idiotic symbiotic followers. Get a fragging grip.<br><br>Balfe is not a composer. <br><br><br>This score is probably the largest failure of Zimmer's career - these would have been his objectives - think about it:<br><br>1. Enhancing the work of Vangelis for a project he has always admired.<br>2. The chance to work with an absolutely open palette of sounds<br>3. The opportunity to truly reinvent not only film music but MUSIC.<br>4. Ability to work with Denis Villeneuve, a man who gets scores nominated for the fact that they are innovative.<br><br>How did Hans fail here?<br><br>1. Wallfisch, a very fine composer is not a synth guy.<br><br>2. Hans does not give a shit anymore, seriously.<br><br>3. An imposed composer on a passion project rarely works<br><br>4. Johannson's work on Arrival is so beyond Zimmer's abilities that he had to go secure.
This score is probably the largest failure of Zimmer's career - these would have been his objectives - think about it:<br><br>1. Enhancing the work of Vangelis for a project he has always admired.<br>2. The chance to work with an absolutely open palette of sounds<br>3. The opportunity to truly reinvent not only film music but MUSIC.<br>4. Ability to work with Denis Villeneuve, a man who gets scores nominated for the fact that they are innovative.<br><br>How did Hans fail here? <br><br>1. Wallfisch, a very fine composer is not a synth guy. <br><br>2. Hans does not give a shit anymore, seriously.<br><br>3. An imposed composer on a passion project rarely works<br><br>4. Johannson's work on Arrival is so beyond Zimmer's abilities that he had to go secure. <br><br><br>Dunkirk is a sound experiment and not a score. It is rather sad to see a fine composer like Benjamin Wallfisch deal with this nationalistic nonsense.It would be very interesting to get a better sense of what exactly Zanelli's role in the franchise is. He is a very capable composer but his work on 5 was utter scheisse. But that may just be what the franchise calls for. How does the supposedly precarious Hans put his name on all this shit.I would not be surprised if this was done by Balfe finally trying out his real compositional skills outside of him just acting as Hans' copy assistant. Everything that Balfe has done on his own to date is abysmal (okay The Lego Batman movie had some flair but that was probably done by the next generation of assistants). <br><br>Please go back to Ironclad and listen to Balfe before he was HBalfe, to hear his skills. Not very good, right? The man is an arranger not a composer.<br><br>This score will be utterly crap or it will sound like Tron and Transformers. <br><br>Shame as Del Toro and Steven Knight work with real composers like Max Richter who would have excelled here.Instead of concerning ourselves with Sia, we have to be worried about Djawadi. The man has a knick for a simple tv tune. But anything outside of that sounds like a youtube fanvideo. The incidental score for Game of Thrones, especially the wall scenes, is terrible and amateurish. <br><br>All I can think is that the producers must have been pressed with time and had to go with the casio synth nonsense Djawadi presented them with. It is the worst example of scoring for a major franchise. <br><br>Again, Dwajadi does well with his choral bits but he is not a composer, more a theme tune man. Who Wants to be a Millionare would serve him better than a complex franchise. <br><br>Simultaneously, the Paint it Black material from Westworld is outstanding. But was this done by Djawadi or a much more talented orchestrator - can we look into this as it sounds nothing like his work
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  1. Everybody Knows - Sigrid (4:25)
  2. The Justice League Theme - Logos (0:48)
  3. Hero's Theme (4:17)
  4. Batman On The Roof (2:34)
  5. Enter Cyborg (2:00)
  6. Wonder Woman Rescue (2:43)
  7. Hippolyta's Arrow (1:16)
  8. The Story Of Steppenwolf (2:59)
  9. The Amazon Mother Box (4:33)
  10. Cyborg Meets Diana (2:36)
  11. Aquaman In Atlantis (2:39)
  12. Then There Were Three (1:10)
  13. The Tunnel Fight (6:24)
  14. The World Needs Superman (1:00)
  15. Spark Of The Flash (2:18)
  16. Friends And Foes (4:14)
  17. Justice League United (1:24)
  18. Home (3:24)
  19. Bruce And Diana (1:06)
  20. The Final Battle (6:14)
  21. A New Hope (4:36)
  22. Anti-Hero's Theme (5:35)
  23. Come Together - Gary Clark Jr. & Junkie XL (3:13)
  24. Icky Thump - The White Stripes (4:14)
  25. The Tunnel Fight (Full Length Bonus Track) (10:58)
  26. The Final Battle (Full Length Bonus Track) (12:57)
  27. Mother Russia (Bonus Track) (1:45)
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Mephariel reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-10 09:59:55
Pinar Toprak wrote additional music for this score. I wonder why she is not listed here. Is she still a part of RCP?


James2017-11-10 15:20:44
Yes, she is.


Scorefan2017-11-10 20:44:23
Pinar is not part of RCP. But she wrote additional music for the film.
@Hybrid do you know what parts did she wrote for the film score? thanks

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 4 || 2017-11-10 19:03:44
Would Whedon have had the guts to fire Zimmer? I’m sure either way Hans would have done everything to make Whedon satisfied.


Ds2017-11-10 19:40:20
Warner would never have done that. You don't fire Hans Zimmer. It's an honor if he accepts to work on your movie, not the other way around.
And yes, no doubt Zimmer would have adapted the musical style to fit the tone of the movie, but he would still have used all the wonderful themes and soundscapes from MoS and BvS.
There was no need to erase all that, it's very lazy of Elfman.


Mike (OTM)2017-11-10 19:48:59
I agree. One of the big comments from Filmtracks about Batman Begins when it came out was that Hans and James were "lazy" for not using Elfman's music. But at least Zimmer's been true to the reboot philosophy. He didn't use his Dark Knight stuff for Ben Affleck. He wrote a new theme, even though the character didn't inspire him.

I usually love Elfman, but this was a big mistake. The old Batman theme works reasonably well, but the Superman theme is like a sore thumb in this world, and there's WAY too heavy of an Avengers vibe in "The Final Battle." I really wish Hans hadn't quit this universe. This might have been, at last, the movie where he used his Superman theme in full form.


Mike (OTM)2017-11-10 19:52:28
Also, for Elfman to say Zimmer write a theme for this Batman is purely idiotic. There's a clear, hummable tune in Batfleck's theme. It's not just rhythmic stuff.


Mike (OTM)2017-11-10 19:53:12
to say Zimmer didn't** write a theme. Autocorrect.

Bradyn reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-10 14:10:19
I feel like the only person on this site who loves this score.

Yeah, it was different, and I wish it used Zimmer’s Superman theme, but I loved this. I felt like the music I heard when I was a kid watching the DCAU shows. I wouldn’t even say the music is “too Marvel” because nothing from Marvel hasn’t been this outright epic in scope. This is music for gods fighting to to save the world, and I freaking loved it.


Ds2017-11-10 14:14:29
gods fighting to save the world... while making jokes and smiling at each other!


Mortifer V.2017-11-10 14:49:14
“This is music for gods fighting to save the world” you can’t possibly be serious.

Micah reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-08 22:35:13
Elfman: "I came up with two heroic themes, one which was just an overall Justice League theme and one which was a team theme. I’m using that more when the team is coming together. I also have an “Anti-Hero Theme” as well as a Steppenwolf theme. But then I tried to provide really simple little hooks for Cyborg, Flash and Aquaman, without going too far. There’s a certain point where you just get a mess of themes, and that’s just going to be a nightmare. So, I tried to simplify those characters to just a few notes, so that there’s something recognizable, and I tried to keep my new thematic action more involved around the entire group as a whole, so it didn’t get too fragmented."

You could learn a thing or two from Howard Shore, bub. Also, based on quotes earlier in the article, it sounds like a lot of the Batman/Superman themes are because of Whedon's meddling.

It sucks that we're not getting definitive, crowd-pleasing themes for Cyborg, Aquaman, and the Flash. Look at the magic Zimmer made with Wonder Woman's theme in her brief cameo.

Oh well, at least it means that Elfman won't be the be-all/end-all for those characters (thank God).


Will2017-11-10 05:45:21
"You could learn a thing or two from Howard Shore, bub." What kind of naive point are you trying to make there? They both know how to nail thematic interplay. Do you recall the themes for every single person in the Fellowship? Oh, that's right. There weren't individual themes for every single person in the Fellowship!


Meta2017-11-10 14:26:30
I think that's Micah's point, Will...

Ujal reply Replies: 1 || 2017-11-10 08:57:23
Listen to this.... now go listen to "Ideal of Hope", "Beautiful Lie" and "We All to Blame". This soundtrack is a joke. They've done it, they Marvelized the DC Universe. Today a part of me died.&#65279;


Meta2017-11-10 14:23:46
You're not wrong,, Ujal.

I considered this to be a darker more realistic take, as kinda has been...But to be honest ever since Batman vs Superman I always feared this would turn into a comic book and realism would go out the window...

Oh well...

Bibi reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-10 10:48:32
God, it's boring and I found the re-use of old themes completly wtf here. What a mess.


Waymann2017-11-10 11:19:12
I actually started laughing when I heard the ancient themes. This is hilariously bad and awkward in every way.


Mortifer V.2017-11-10 13:20:23
It was cringeworthy. Total letdown.

Waymann reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-10 10:46:02
What is the point of those Full Length Bonus Tracks ??

Ds reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-10 09:31:58
WB needs to be punished for this insult towards Hans Zimmer and his fans! Please boycott this movie!

peter reply Replies: 1 || 2017-11-10 02:07:50
Very disappointing...

YES Elfman chose not to use Hans and JXL's superman/batman themes but are you kidding me that he can't even properly utilize the John Williams and his own 89 theme beyond a little snippet here and there and where is at least some strong thematic material for the whole league and the forces of Apokolips.

I will wait until I have seen the film to pass proper judgement but bloody Whedon again TAKING MUSIC CONTROL.


Lejti2017-11-10 08:53:40
"..but bloody Whedon again TAKING MUSIC CONTROL."
I completely agree with that, we see (hear) this on Ultron, and it's a complete mess again.

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 8 || 2017-11-09 19:39:44
Well, I’m disappointed. : /

It’s not that it’s a bad score, but it lacks solid themes/ballsy orchestrations. Honestly the music just sounds flat. When Elfman uses previous themes (WW motif, Batman theme) is when the music stands out. But not including Zimmer’s Superman material is a HUGE mistake.

This is making me really wish JXL has scored this. I’m all for a different musical perspective but you need to have music that matches the style at least somewhat. And this is coming from someone who really likes Elfman usually.

For the positives, some of the action music (in particular the descending string line from “Hulk”) does work, and I’ll give credit for the “Heroes” track, which isn’t half bad.


mpolonest1232017-11-09 19:45:43
And for anyone comparing this to AoU....

At least that score had solid thematic consistency. The Avengers theme, Iron Man’s theme, and Captain America’s theme were all incorporated into the score alongside the new material.


MrZimmerFan2017-11-09 19:49:32
One problem: The Avengers theme is by Silvestri, re-arranged by Elfman and Iron Man's is from Tyler.

Is not the same case here.

And when the Captain America's theme is in AoU?


mpolonest123 2017-11-09 20:09:54
@MrZimmerFan That’s my point, Elfman/Whedon should have better incorporated Zimmer’s themes like they did with Silvestri’s music. It is the same exact case when you are dealing with a preexisting musical universe.

And the theme pops up once or twice, definitely in the opening of the last track.



rockhound2017-11-09 21:01:13
i also dont understand, why elfman used his 30 years old Batman theme, which is from another DC universe. and even worse, a Superman theme from 40 years ago, also a different DC universe. makes zero sense. elfmans own Justice League theme and the previous themes from zimmer and holkenborg would have been correct. it is funny, that the only theme which stands out is Zimmers Wonder Woman theme in track 6. really nice arrangement. elfmans style can fit with this new movie, but his theme sounds so old and cartoonish. maybe the movie is like that.


MrZimmerFan2017-11-09 21:02:51
But Feige dosen't wanted the material by Silvestri, he wanted what Tyler wrote. That's why Whedon came with Elfman, to incorporate that themes.

BTW, the re-arranged theme for Wonder Woman is cool and as always the Batman's theme is tremendous


James2017-11-09 21:07:47
I liked the score, from a technical point of view, it is much higher than the previous ones. However I agree that bringing the Batman and Superman themes back ignoring that these are from other phases of the character was an Elfman's mistake. He even had the opportunity to build anything memorable for Justice League, Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg and failed.


Ds2017-11-09 21:18:05
Who knows, maybe some MoS tracks are inserted in the movie with minor editing? I'm thinking maybe Clark's piano theme? It would also make sense Danny didn't include them on his soundtrack album. But it's a pity he didn't even bother trying to do something with this theme.


JBSO992017-11-09 21:32:59
It's not that is a bad score, but it's neither good. I mean, there are some really great moments, the action sewuences specially those two full length tracks are great, and the appearences of the Batman theme and Wonder Woman theme are great.
But the things is that I don't think the music really fits this cinematic universe and sounds more like an Avengers movie with some parts like Burton's movies. The other big problem that I have is that they did not use any of MoS material (unless it appears in the movie but not here) and they didn't have very recognizable themes at the first listen, just the theme that appears at Hero's Theme, that after some listens is not that bad.
Overall is not that bad but I would have really wished that they kept themes from BvS and MoS and that it did not sound so similar to Avengers. Let's see how it works in the movie.

Fares_Tdkr reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-09 19:17:30
I just hate it i hate it all i got this today and i really hate it no soul no memorable cues i miss your themes Zimmer.

Disappointed &#128542;

Steve1 reply Replies: 5 || 2017-11-09 15:35:41
I've listened the tracks.

It's so awful! There is no soul, no depth, so generic, the choice of the instruments is improper with by comparison with MoS, BvS or WW. It's like, we are in 2017 but we have a ost from the 90's. And, do not hope for any MoS notes in the soundtrack...

My point of view is that this OST is one of the most disappointing soundtrack I've ever heard.


...2017-11-09 15:46:51
I have also listened to the score and find it rather boring, however that has NOTHING to do with the instruments. The orchestra has nothing to do with the 90s, the orchestra is something timeless. The writing is boring and generic though, I agree with that. I loved MOS and liked the non sound design parts of BVS so this is a bit disappointing.


Waymann2017-11-09 16:24:02
It sounds like Tim Burton made a Justice League movie. This is so wrong on so many levels.


JBSO992017-11-09 16:37:31
No MoS?! I'm so sad...
I still have to give it a full listen but I don't have too high hopes in this one.
Anyway, what about Wonder Woman theme? does it appear at some point or they have just destroyed the musical continuity for good?


Everan2017-11-09 16:55:37
Track 6, Wonder Woman theme.

Supposedly Zimmer's theme pops up in the film only.
I'm having a lot of fun here too.


Micah Garnett2017-11-09 18:18:40
If it's the same music from the clip, it sounds extremely uninspired and poorly timed.

The music should start when she busts through the wall, not at the end of the scene when the action is over. :/

Ahmad reply Replies: 7 || 2017-11-09 11:06:01
WaterTower uploaded "Friends and Foes" and it's everything I didn't want a JL score to be. Old school! It's not bad but it's generic and not memorable at all.

https://www. youtube.com/watch?v=EQ6mS3Ulgb0


MrZimmerFan2017-11-09 11:16:53
Old School?

Didn't like people like Horner, Elfman, Williams, JNH or Beltrami?, symphonic.

Well, there is a plenty of GREAT superheroes scores with old school music: The Last Stand, Batman, Superman, The Shadow, Hellboy (if you count like comic book movie), X2, Apocalypse...

And this comes from a guy who like BvS score


JBSO992017-11-09 13:32:59
@MrZimmerFan I do like the most of the scores and composers that you mentioned, but I don't like the track Friends and Foes. That little fragment of Superman's theme just sounds out of place. I just hope that the full album is better than this and that they keep at least MoS themes.

BTW, I aslo like a lot BvS


MrZimmerFan2017-11-09 14:49:29
'That little fragment of Superman's theme just sounds out of place.'

Will make sense when the movie come out, I hope for that.


...2017-11-09 14:52:38
I'm listening right now. It's not bad, it just sounds more like avengers than DC


Mortifer V.2017-11-09 14:57:47
The old Superman theme bit sounds absolutely horrible and totally out of place. I cringed while listening to it and I seriously doubt it will work in the film. Danny Elfman was a mistake.


...2017-11-09 15:19:28
Elfman might or might not have been a mistake, however that superman arrangement is not good. Williams would not be happy if he heard it.


Steve12017-11-09 15:33:45
It's so awful! There is no soul, no depth, so generic, the choice of the instruments is improper with by comparison with MoS, BvS or WW. It's like, we are in 2017 but we have a ost from the 90's. And, do not hope for any MoS notes in the soundtrack...

My point of view is that this OST is one of the most disappointing soundtrack I've ever heard.


jewen reply Replies: 4 || 2017-11-08 10:56:07
And another song is out: Justice League United

This OST starts to sound very, very cool and epic.

Smell like Glory


JBSO992017-11-08 16:10:19
Where can I listen to this track? I cannot find it on youtube.


James2017-11-08 16:25:26
It's all very confusing, I'll wait for the official release


Bobby2017-11-08 21:09:47
And then I miss Hans Zimmer & Junkie XL... I was so exciting for that track, and how disappointed it is! totally agree with James : confusing. I hope good surprises coming...


Mortifer V.2017-11-08 23:08:57
So far, the tracks that have been released/leaked sound bad or mediocre at best. Not sure how you call this epic.

Micah reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-08 00:26:44
Another song is out: "The Story of Steppenwolf."

Haven't listened to it yet, because my internet is crap, but I thought I'd let you guys know.


JBSO992017-11-08 08:04:15
For me, it sounds better than the two previous ones. There is a theme that sounds a bit like variations of the Elfman Batman theme and it sounds like an epic and dark moment, in Elfman's gothic dark style.
Better than the Hero's theme, at least for me!


Lejti2017-11-08 08:27:08
the first 20 seconds sounds to me like Pirates of the Caribbean. Geoff Zanelli?

Mephariel reply Replies: 4 || 2017-11-06 22:42:17
Yeah, I wish someone would just ask the director or something for confirmation.


Ds2017-11-07 20:34:42
Since no one really knows who the director is anymore, they just let the actors do the press tour and, well I'm not sure they have even seen the movie, let alone know which theme was used...


Everan2017-11-07 23:16:38
Snyder is the director, Whedon is in charge of postproduction only. So ask Whedon, he picked Elfman


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-07 23:26:35
The director of the film that gets out next week in cinema is Whedon, you want it or not... lol


Everan2017-11-08 01:40:34
Trolly Soldier

jewen reply Replies: 4 || 2017-11-06 14:00:50
Here is a comparasison between Elfman and Zimmer thems.
Is based upon the recent oficial Justice League clip, were we can listen the revived Elfman's Batman theme, and next the same scene with the Zimmer/XL original theme for last year's BvS.


jewen2017-11-06 14:01:46
Comparison:

https ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr-1vDnm1aY


Everan2017-11-06 16:19:13
"grabs popcorn in anticipation to the incoming s*tfest"


JBSO992017-11-06 19:19:58
In this particular scene I feel like the tow themes fit well. I mean, Elfman's theme has a similiar dark tone and so. And the Zimmer/Junkie XL theme is also very great because you know, it feels like the same universe of Batman V Superman


Micah2017-11-07 04:44:15
This makes me miss Zimmer/Junkie so much.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 1 || 2017-11-06 19:02:25
Henry Cavill :

“The Hans Zimmer score is so ingrained in my psyche now, and the emotions I felt while making [Man of Steel], the emotions I felt for the character and the emotions I felt while watching those trailers when they were happening was enormous. And so, that score holds something very special for me and always always will. Of course, we hear a bit of Zimmer’s now-familiar score in the most recent trailer for Justice League, but we also know that references to John Williams are engrained in the music as well. At the same time the John Williams score is incredibly powerful, it’s a character all to itself, and to have both of those…I mean it’s genius. I couldn’t have asked for anything better.“


JBSO992017-11-06 19:21:46
So, is this a confiration that they will use Zimmer's Man of Steel theme in Justice League? I hope so, because honestly, that track that was released with the fragment of Williams's Superman theme felt really out of place.

anon reply Replies: 20 || 2017-10-31 22:03:43
Elfman basically fires shots at Zimmer here:
twitter com/antovolk/status/925463903005528064


Lejti2017-10-31 22:33:29
the musical continuity is f*cked up. the same situation with superman. some people adore that the Williams' Sup theme is back, but imagine this, after Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Zimmer did'nt return as composer to TDKR, they bring aboard Elfman and his Batman theme, it's just not fitting (to me)


Hybrid Soldier2017-10-31 22:47:40
Danny does many things, but firing shots at Zimmer is never one of them...

As Hans said himself, no matter what they temptracked in Justice League, be sure Danny didn't listen to any of it !


George2017-11-01 00:33:26
Yeah I see what you're saying, but i also understand what Danny is saying, too. Thematically, he wouldn't use Zimmer's theme from BVS, which I'm okay with. To me, I feel like Warner wants to separate themselves from that movie stylistically. Justice League doesn't look as dark, so a dark batman score wouldn't fit. And if we're honest the BVS theme was never close to what the TDK score was, and wasn't memorable. I don't like that they ditched Junkie, but lets just see how it works in the film and then judge it. In 2 weeks we may be heralding the decision to bring Elfman on as the greatest thing ever to happen.


Meta2017-11-01 01:41:20
In defense of Elfman...

He's not wrong. Even Zimmer himself said Batman doesn't even have a theme, because he didn't feel like he deserved it. It was more of a two note motif, if anything...Or even a SIMPLE theme, but really that's not an actual standard theme!


Micah2017-11-01 02:44:27
God, this whole situation ticks me off.

While I certainly enjoyed "Hero's Theme", and to a lesser extent, "Friends and Foes", musical continuity was one thing DC had over Marvel in their film universe.

This ISN'T Reeves' Superman or Keaton's Batman. This music has absolutely no place in the film. Ugh...


Saurabh2017-11-01 04:50:16
I would have approved of Elfman's opinion if he had a solid backing for his decision in the form of a solid score, but Hero's Theme and his use of JW's Superman theme in Friends and Foes was a massive letdown. To say that Batman has only one and The theme may or may not be a sign of disrespect towards HZ (if you wish to look into the technicalities of his work) but it is definitely one towards Goldenthal's superlative work on the crappy Schumacher movies. Elfman's work on Avengers Age of Ultron and whatever I've heard of JL so far has been extremely disappointing.


Mephariel2017-11-01 06:21:24
The only problem I have with what he is saying is that he pretended that Goldenthal and Shirley Walker never wrote a theme for Batman.


Meta2017-11-01 13:27:53
Micah and Miphariel are correct...in a sense. Maybe even technically.

Elfman's old themes/style clashes with the modern presentations of what we've become accustomed to. Maybe you can thank Zimmer washing his hands of it. Maybe not.

Maybe you can blame WB for trying to turn this into a live action version of the Cartoon series...And of course Shirley Walker is deceased, so Elfman is the obvious next choice.

And then Elfman ignores Goldenthal and Shirley Walker's themes for Batman...but let's be honest, Elfmanis referring to enduring iconic theme for Batman, filmwise...And Elfmanis right - his Batman theme is THE THEME, like JW Superman theme.

All respect to Goldenthal and Walker and even the 60s theme...But the Elfman Batman theme is the popular theme for Batman, moviewise.


Mephariel2017-11-01 15:21:57
Is it really though? Has Elfman's theme endured past the 90s that well? I don't think it is as anywhere near as iconic as Williams' Superman theme.

I would say that Elfman's theme is probably the most acknowledged within the film music community. To me, that is fair.

Really, it depends on the era. Back in the days, Neal Hefti's Batman theme is probably just as recognizable as Elfman's theme today.


Everan2017-11-01 15:59:09
I remember how pretty much everyone didn't like Batfleck's theme since it was just 4 braaahms and just noise.

And now nobody likes it's not being used anymore. Odd.

Also, WW's theme is in the movie so we still have musical continuity. THere's an extra video in the twitter thread. Only theme we don't have any confirmation is Hans'Supes theme.


Andy2017-11-01 16:10:31
What about Balfe’s Batman themes ? Thery are better than most of the recent films


James2017-11-01 16:31:39
Oh no, here we go...



Michael2017-11-01 16:54:45
Agree .lego Batman was better than some of the earlier scores for sure


Edmund Meinerts2017-11-01 17:37:35
They're not going to quote Balfe's themes from a Batman parody. That would be like if they quoted Soul Bossa Nova from Austin Powers in the next Bond movie...


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-01 18:06:10
Except, Edmund, that quoting "Old Elfman Bat Theme" & "Old Williams Supes Theme" in Justice League makes that film become de facto a parody... lol


James2017-11-01 18:07:38
Oh God! What do you have in mind? Quoting Balfe's theme is like quoting Christopher Drake's theme from the animations in the movie of the JL or in the Nolan movies. Since it's not original, created for that movie, it does not make sense. You do everything to include Balfe's name in every discussion.

"But they'll come back with the Elfman theme!"

Sad news for Zimmer and all those who liked the approach chosen by Snyder, but there is no denying that the treatment given to one theme is totally different from that given to the other.

The theme of Zimmer is good and will be close to those written by Goldenthal, Walker and Hefti. But Elfman was the man who built Batman's sound identity as it is known all over the world today.


Meta2017-11-02 00:51:51
Honestly, I don't care to see Elfman in the DC Film Universe...Zimmer and Company have done just fine (for the most part) without him. Hell, I'd rather Balfe or Rupert Gregson-Williams take over scoring duties, just to keep things thematically even.

But it is what it is...As I said before, this movie seems to be more of a homage to the cartoon series with Elfman's involvement...to me, anyway...

After Batman V Superman, though, I'm like WHATEVER, man...


mpolonest123 2017-11-02 04:37:20
The weirdest thing to me is that they have been marketing the film using Zimmer’s theme. I can’t imagine the studio would just allow Whedon to abandon it like that.

Admittedly, I’m not all that opposed to Elfman using his own Batman theme. Continuity-wise it sucks, but his theme is stronger than what Hans came up with for BvS (IMO) and can fit this take on Batman easily.

Superman, on the other hand, is a different story. As iconic as it is, John William’s theme just doesn’t fit this iteration of the Man of Steel. Zimmer’s take was heroic, but not blatantly patriotic/wholesome. And them abandoning the Clark Kent piano theme would be ridiculous.

I guess we will just have to wait and see what the end result. At the very least, the WW motif is returning so there’s that....


JBSO992017-11-02 09:43:15
Elfman not using the BvS Batman theme, well I liked that theme but I don't think that a really big problem, even if I would have love that they keeped that theme.

My problem is if they don't use the Man of Steel themes, because there is a lot of good material in there that should be used instead of recycling the William's theem, that is really great, but does not fit at all in this movies.

I also hope that they keep the Wonder woman theme because it's really powerful and it could serve as a Justice League Battle Anthem or something like that.


James2017-11-02 15:36:27
It may be my illusion, but I still believe we will have a mix of the themes of Williams and Zimmer (good), a new interpretation of the theme written for WW (essential) and the theme of Elfman's Batman adapted or not to the Bataffleck.

jewen reply Replies: 1 || 2017-11-01 14:01:55
Danny Elfman took the Silvestri's Avengers Theme and reworked and made it fresh while still had a continuity and used that original leitmotiv.

Really Elfman can't make the same taking Men Are Still Good thematic and doing his shit while respecting the music feel of this new universe?

Really this is a total mess. We will see how far they will go...my worst fear is the lack of Man of Steel Theme in favour of oldfashioned Williams Theme...that could be a cold shot in our fan heart.


Ds2017-11-01 14:25:22
That is also my biggest concern for this movie. I hope the Man of Steel themes are well used.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 20 || 2017-10-26 14:26:08
OK I will just put it there because Geoff Zanelli helped working on it...

BTW Danny's "Hero's Theme" of the score was released as a single by WaterTower...


mpolonest123 2017-10-26 14:35:24
I’m glad they at least kept some of the RC “family”, along with JXL’s Come Together cover. Fingers crossed for continuity....


Ds2017-10-26 15:10:39
What an awful cover. I'm glad Hans' name doesn't appear on it :-p


scarecrow92017-10-26 15:22:58
Hybrid, where can I find Danny's "Hero's Theme"?? Thank you


Hybrid Soldier2017-10-26 15:30:09
www.qobuz.com/fr-fr/album/heros-theme-from-justice-league-or iginal-motion-picture-soundtrack-danny-elfman/0794043194733? qref=dac_7


mpolonest123 2017-10-26 15:39:21
It’s a mixed bag for me, the underlying string theme is pretty cool and there are a few “elfanisms” that work. The problem is the main tune is somewhat generic.


Waymann2017-10-26 16:13:43
Tomorrow the pre-order will be up on itunes. 27 tracks including 3 songs.

I think it sounds ok. But the main thing I don't like is that it doesn't sound like Man of Steel. That cover is ugly as hell.


Waymann2017-10-26 16:14:35
Sorry, pre order is up already on itunes. Nov. 10 is de release date.


Ahmad2017-10-26 16:48:49
Yeah... not bad but not impressive. There are some good parts though. I hope the rest of the score is much more exciting.

To think that this is the first listen of the score, I can't help but compare it to "Their War Here".


james2017-10-26 16:58:26
Spoiler: Bruce and Diana. Lol

Well, all the tracks titles are spoilers.


Everan2017-10-26 17:01:30
A bit, but that last track durations, two action sequences of 10 minutes, that will be a sight to behold!


james2017-10-26 17:23:41
The track 25 is a reprise complete of the number 13.


Jonathan Romano2017-10-26 17:52:26
Since we came back to talk about DC comic book movies, I have a question about the credits on the WW theme. Who did it? Just Zimmer? Zimmer and Junkie? Zimmer and Guo? Zimmer and Mazzaro? Or the complete package with Zimmer, Junkie, Guo and Mazzaro? This is a question that makes the head of many BvS fans boil.


Ds2017-10-26 18:00:22
Track 16 is up on Apple Music. I think it is the pointless reprise of John Williams material Danny was talking about.
No trace of HZ themes so far.


Hybrid Soldier2017-10-26 18:27:06
That theme is HZ, Jonathan.


George2017-10-26 19:42:06
Man, these tracks suck. And i was even one of the few who was a little excited to hear what Elfman did with this since I actually like Age of Ultron's score. But this is pretty generic and pretty lame to be honest lol


James2017-10-26 20:14:58
"Hero's" is really weak. "Friends and Foes" is better and a good promise for the rest of the score. However, we have yet to not see any sign of any theme for any of the characters other than the quotes to Williams and Elfman's material from past scores. A thing or another: they are making mystery or the score is really what we have until now. I believe the first is the right answer.


Meta2017-10-27 14:14:52
Aw cmon, man...Yall know Elfman came back into this because Zimmer started aching on about not wanting to do superhero stuff anymore, after Dark Knight Returns.

Hollywood looked around and said "you know what? Now's as good a time as any to bring back Elfman." And here we are.



Bobby2017-10-27 18:42:18
I'm really disappointed by these two tracks, no deep, generic... To my mind, they should not hire Elfman instead of Junkie XL, it makes me think that the choice of the instruments (Elfman's style) is like we came 2 decades back and this is paradoxical compared to what it has been done by HZ and JXL. So, yes, Elfman is a really good compositor, but the fact that he contributed for Joss Whedon's Avenger does not mean that he will perform something as good as HZ and JXL.
I really hope that the other tracks will be better that


Ahmad2017-10-28 10:32:40
Actually, "Hero's theme" grew on me after listening to it several times. It's really good. I'm still bitter about the whole JXL situation though.


Micah2017-10-29 06:07:01
Yup. I despised Hero's Theme at first, but it's certainly grown on me. It'll be cool hearing it in theaters, but I'm still really bummed that Whedon axed Junkie. I hope to God he didn't butcher the rest of the film.

Aquaflash reply Replies: 0 || 2017-10-27 18:14:47
Hope to "The Justice League Theme - Logos" or "Justice League United" (or another track)will be the real Justice Theme, because if not...will be a total missed opportunity to do an Iconic music theme.

iamtommie reply Replies: 0 || 2017-10-27 15:14:13
1: 29:30 of score.

Micah reply Replies: 1 || 2017-10-27 00:37:27
Why delete my comment?

Because I didn't like Elfman using Williams' theme? Ugh.


Olive2017-10-27 01:08:06
Because of the link. The site only accepts broken links. Duh!

Everan reply Replies: 0 || 2017-10-26 16:48:17
Sounds like a mix of WW and Elfman, I like it. I'm sure once the original themes are mixed in, it will sound better. And we have two discs so that's nice.

It should sound different, it's the rise out of the darkness from BvS and MoS, full sunrise of justice!

JBSO99 reply Replies: 0 || 2017-10-26 16:43:02
On iTunes you can hear a preview of the Hero's Theme and also you have the tracklist:

01 Everybody Knows - Sigrid (4:25)
02 The Justice League Theme - Logos (0:48)
03 Hero’s Theme (4:17)
04 Batman on the Roof (2:34)
05 Enter Cyborg (2:00)
06 Wonder Woman Rescue (2:43)
07 Hippolyta’s Arrow (1:16)
08 The Story of Steppenwolf (2:59)
09 The Amazon Mother Box (4:33)
10 Cyborg Meets Diana (2:36)
11 Aquaman in Atlantis (2:39)
12 Then There Were Three (1:10)
13 The Tunnel Fight (6:24)
14 The World Needs Superman (1:00)
15 Spark of the Flash (2:18)
16 Friends and Foes (4:14)
17 Justice League United (1:24)
18 Home (3:24)
19 Bruce and Diana (1:06)
20 The Final Battle (6:14)
21 A New Hope (4:36)
22 Anti-Hero’s Theme (5:35)
23 Come Together - Gary Clark Jr. & Junkie XL (3:13)
24 Icky Thump - The White Stripes (4:14)
25 The Tunnel Fight (Full Length Bonus Track) (10:58)
26 The Final Battle (Full Length Bonus Track) (12:57)
27 Mother Russia (Bonus Track) (1:45)

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