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Yes! I Finally found the booklet credits for Blade Runner 2049:<br><br>Original score by<br>HANS ZIMMER<br>BENJAMIN WALLFISCH<br><br>Music editors <br>CLINT BENNETT<br>RYAN RUBIN<br><br>Music production services<br>STEVEN KOFSKY<br><br>Synth programming<br>HANS ZIMMER<br><br>Synth design<br>HOWARD SCARR<br><br>Vocalist<br>AVI KAPLAN<br><br>Exotic instruments<br>CHAS SMITH<br><br>Cello, vocals<br>TRISTAN SCHULZE<br><br>Cello <br>SIMONE VITUCCI<br><br>Guitars<br>OWEN GURRY<br><br>Technical score engineer<br>CHUCK CHOI<br><br>Digital instrument design<br>MARK WHERRY<br><br>Sampling team<br>TAUREES HABIB<br>RAUL VEGA<br><br>Score techincal assistants<br>MAX SANDLER<br>NATE UNDERKUFFLER<br><br>Score mastering by<br>ALAN MEYERSON<br><br>Score mastering assistant<br>FOREST CHRISTENSON<br><br>Score mixed at<br>REMOTE CONTROL PRODUCTIONS, Santa Monica, California<br><br>Studio manager for Remote Control Productions<br>SHALINI SINGH<br><br>Assistant to Hans Zimmer<br>CYNTHIA PARK<br><br>TEARS IN THE RAIN<br><br>Written by<br>EVANGHELOS PAPATHANASSIOU (VANGELIS)<br><br>Here's the link:<br>https://ia601507.us.archive.org/21/items/mbid-149daaf9-5c9d- 47d9-a452-d732122da496/mbid-149daaf9-5c9d-47d9-a452-d732122d a496-18376707127.jpgAnd I thought Varese Sarabande will pick this one up. Whatever happened to those guys I will never know.<br><br>A Little off-topic here but might I ask if there any computer geeks around here who know how I can calculate total duration of albums using Excel or some simple web service (other than Soundtrack Collector)?Penka Kouneva I also the orchestrator on this one. Maybe it's a faulty credit?"House Call v1-23697 - Penka Kouneva, BMI" This is the copyright claim I found on a compilation video I made of Jablonsky's music. This claim is where "Vocation" from IDEA plays. Can someone please explain this? I have not been able to find this track Jablonsky (I guess?) ripped off.Edmund ! For YOU !! lol
this one is my pick for the oscar as well. hope it wins : )When will this tracklist be leaked?I heard and thought that Zimmer stopt scoring superhero movies (including Justice League and what comes after) because it has taken 13 years of his life and he wanted to do something elseWere the two men no longer talking or did Zimmer anticipate Snyder's departure as he did in Pirates?@Olive: Rumors says Zimmer didn't want compose Justice League because of Snyder, and left behind Junkie
I agree that Elfman's theme fits into Nolan's films as long as they are adapted to them. However, I think the way things have gone was not bad. TDK trilogy was marked as a project fruit of Nolan's unique vision. Although the themes do not respect the orchestral tradition are more memorable than those composed for more than half of the films of heroes of the last 25 years.Zimmer's entry into the genre can be interpreted as a breath of fresh air in a saturated marketplace at the time. But I agree that the lack of originality these days falls on Zimmer and his company and that the goal of it goes far beyond bringing talents to light.Now we need something new, again.@Hybrid any news on Season 2 soundtrack release?Of cause Balfe worked on it !!! His whole team are credited !!!!!!!Honestly, the purpose of RCP is essentially to take Zimmer's style and make it widespread for use...WB not using ANY RCP to score this seems to have been deliberate, as there's literally no reason it couldn't be done.^ hahaha :D<br><br>I think you're forgetting that Balfe also ghostwrote The Lord of the Rings?
They're starting to send screeners. Finger crossed for the FYC :DThe score reflects the situation of DC movies very well. If Zimmer, like Snyder, continued, the result may not please everyone. A lot of people were unhappy with Snyder's work in the genre, just as many fans of soundtrack were with Zimmer's contributions that never followed the path taken by all the other composers who came before him.<br><br>The two left (regardless of the reason that led them to do this).<br><br>When Zimmer left everyone knew that XL would not hold the pressure or that the result would not be satisfactory for most.<br><br>When Elfman and Whedon were announced we all knew that they were hired to go against everything DC has done before to try to reach the first film of the franchise to reach 1 billion. Even if they were to follow Marvel's script and drop their originality.<br><br>But the hiring of Elfman and Whedon shows that the studio was long lost. Snyder succumbed to BvS. The only salvation for the DCEU are the solo films like Wonder Woman, the next Batman, Aquaman ...and freedom. Freedom for the directors, composers... Warner has always had this advantage over Marvel.@Edmund <br>Given the chance I think Junkie probably could deliver a pretty fun score that stayed thematically consistent with the current universe. It all depends on what the studio/director wants out of the music. The biggest disappointment to me is that this was a huge missed opportunity to do a heroic take on Zimmerís Superman theme, something we havenít heard since MoS. Hell, even the trailers did that.... -_-rumor has it Lorne Balfe did this score<br><br>I guess if we do not get any credits then that proves it<br>======================================<br><br>Oh, absolutely! I'm sure we will soon find out that Balfe also scored Star Wars and Titanic. And Harry Potter. And Indiana Jones.Edmund, I somewhat agree - I've seen very little from Junkie to make me think this would have been a groundbreaking, wonderful score. However, maybe it's the Zimmer fan in me, but I would have loved to hear "stock, barely-altered reprises of Zimmer's themes all over the place" in this score. So many scenes begged for just that. Compositionally it doesn't make for an interesting soundtrack or film score, I agree, but I would be willing to sacrifice that for thematic continuity.
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  1. Everybody Knows - Sigrid (4:25)
  2. The Justice League Theme - Logos (0:48)
  3. Hero's Theme (4:17)
  4. Batman On The Roof (2:34)
  5. Enter Cyborg (2:00)
  6. Wonder Woman Rescue (2:43)
  7. Hippolyta's Arrow (1:16)
  8. The Story Of Steppenwolf (2:59)
  9. The Amazon Mother Box (4:33)
  10. Cyborg Meets Diana (2:36)
  11. Aquaman In Atlantis (2:39)
  12. Then There Were Three (1:10)
  13. The Tunnel Fight (6:24)
  14. The World Needs Superman (1:00)
  15. Spark Of The Flash (2:18)
  16. Friends And Foes (4:14)
  17. Justice League United (1:24)
  18. Home (3:24)
  19. Bruce And Diana (1:06)
  20. The Final Battle (6:14)
  21. A New Hope (4:36)
  22. Anti-Hero's Theme (5:35)
  23. Come Together - Gary Clark Jr. & Junkie XL (3:13)
  24. Icky Thump - The White Stripes (4:14)
  25. The Tunnel Fight (Full Length Bonus Track) (10:58)
  26. The Final Battle (Full Length Bonus Track) (12:57)
  27. Mother Russia (Bonus Track) (1:45)
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Rigby reply Replies: 15 || 2017-11-21 03:10:40
Seeing as how Lorne Balfe ďleakedĒ his own score, I wonder if Tom could easily do the same?


Kingfannypack2017-11-21 05:09:44
Which score would that be?


Everan2017-11-21 05:30:54
Ghost in a thing that doesn't have life but does


Ahmad2017-11-21 07:39:41
GITS was unreleased, JXL's JL score was completely rejected. The real qustion is how many rejected scores have leaked in the history of modern film scoring?


Edmund Meinerts2017-11-21 14:42:04
Gabriel Yared leaked his Troy back in 2004 but I think he got in quite a lot of trouble for that. There's a reason he hasn't done too many high profile films since then, I think. A few rejecteds have slipped out over the years but it's pretty unheard of for the composer himself to be the one to leak it I think, that would be career suicide if they got caught. Usually they come out the same way complete scores do, some anonymous person working on the scoring team probably did it.


Ahmad2017-11-21 15:00:36
There you go. So we probably will never get to hear what Tom planned/did for this movie. I really believe that it would've been great compared to the generic score we got.
Only two tracks stood out to me and only one was an actual cue from the movie.


Olive2017-11-21 15:47:57
The studio is the music owner now.


Edmund Meinerts2017-11-21 15:54:50
I certainly understand the criticisms leveled at Elfman's JL score, but I'm not at all convinced Junkie would have been a better option. I've never been too convinced by him anyway (Mad Max was a situation where his sound happened to be a good fit, but even then I think a better composer could have made much more out of the same ingredients). And since anything worthwhile in the previous two (and yeah, I'm aware I like MoS and BvS waaaaaaaay less than the average reader of this site) ended up being by Hans anyway, I really doubt Junkie flying solo would have been up to much. My guess is he would have pulled out stock, barely-altered reprises of Zimmer's themes all over the place without adding much new material on his own, which would have satisfied the DC fans more than what Elfman did, sure, but would have been a lot less interesting as a score album. I mean, say what you want about the questionable thematic decisions Elfman made, the two gigantic full-length action cues are pretty solid in and of themselves. I'll take that over Junkie letting the drums pound for eleven minutes straight, any day of the week.


Gotham Rogue2017-11-21 17:58:50
Edmund, I somewhat agree - I've seen very little from Junkie to make me think this would have been a groundbreaking, wonderful score. However, maybe it's the Zimmer fan in me, but I would have loved to hear "stock, barely-altered reprises of Zimmer's themes all over the place" in this score. So many scenes begged for just that. Compositionally it doesn't make for an interesting soundtrack or film score, I agree, but I would be willing to sacrifice that for thematic continuity.


mpolonest123 2017-11-21 18:22:52
@Edmund
Given the chance I think Junkie probably could deliver a pretty fun score that stayed thematically consistent with the current universe. It all depends on what the studio/director wants out of the music. The biggest disappointment to me is that this was a huge missed opportunity to do a heroic take on Zimmerís Superman theme, something we havenít heard since MoS. Hell, even the trailers did that.... -_-


Olive2017-11-22 04:03:34
The score reflects the situation of DC movies very well. If Zimmer, like Snyder, continued, the result may not please everyone. A lot of people were unhappy with Snyder's work in the genre, just as many fans of soundtrack were with Zimmer's contributions that never followed the path taken by all the other composers who came before him.

The two left (regardless of the reason that led them to do this).

When Zimmer left everyone knew that XL would not hold the pressure or that the result would not be satisfactory for most.

When Elfman and Whedon were announced we all knew that they were hired to go against everything DC has done before to try to reach the first film of the franchise to reach 1 billion. Even if they were to follow Marvel's script and drop their originality.

But the hiring of Elfman and Whedon shows that the studio was long lost. Snyder succumbed to BvS. The only salvation for the DCEU are the solo films like Wonder Woman, the next Batman, Aquaman ...and freedom. Freedom for the directors, composers... Warner has always had this advantage over Marvel.


meta2017-11-22 13:05:54
Honestly, the purpose of RCP is essentially to take Zimmer's style and make it widespread for use...WB not using ANY RCP to score this seems to have been deliberate, as there's literally no reason it couldn't be done.


James2017-11-22 13:53:55
I agree that Elfman's theme fits into Nolan's films as long as they are adapted to them. However, I think the way things have gone was not bad. TDK trilogy was marked as a project fruit of Nolan's unique vision. Although the themes do not respect the orchestral tradition are more memorable than those composed for more than half of the films of heroes of the last 25 years.Zimmer's entry into the genre can be interpreted as a breath of fresh air in a saturated marketplace at the time. But I agree that the lack of originality these days falls on Zimmer and his company and that the goal of it goes far beyond bringing talents to light.Now we need something new, again.


MrZimmerFan2017-11-22 14:51:53
@Olive: Rumors says Zimmer didn't want compose Justice League because of Snyder, and left behind Junkie


James2017-11-22 14:56:29
Were the two men no longer talking or did Zimmer anticipate Snyder's departure as he did in Pirates?


Iamtommie2017-11-22 16:23:45
I heard and thought that Zimmer stopt scoring superhero movies (including Justice League and what comes after) because it has taken 13 years of his life and he wanted to do something else

Scorefan reply Replies: 11 || 2017-11-16 04:46:02
h t t p s : //www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4jbBeshH3s


GR72017-11-16 17:17:26
Elfman must have balls or be a damn old prick to speak like that about Zimmer music. How can someone can shit on someone else's job like that and state that his batman theme is and will be THE only batman music ever....


Olive2017-11-16 18:00:03
Old news...


Brent2017-11-16 18:01:11
Danny Elfman IS talented. That I have no doubt about. However, this has just solidified what a toolbag he is. Seriously, ONE theme? Are you freakin' kidding me? Not only is that disrespectful to Hans and James, but also to all the other countless composers out there that have worked on Batman related material the past 40 years or so. What an ignorant and blatant disrespectful statement to make.

I seriously hope he apologizes, or at the very least, clarifies his statements.


Olive2017-11-16 18:04:34
Apologies are desnecrssary thing in this case. Hans calls Elfman theme of "happy and jolly" in a interview of 2005.


Brent2017-11-16 18:08:31
Olive, the major difference between Zimmer's "happy and jolly" statement and this one by Elfman is that Zimmer backed it up by relating his comments to tone. The tone/structure of Elfman's theme wouldn't work within the universe Nolan created for TDK trilogy. Please tell me how Danny justifies using his theme from 1989, other than "it's the only true Batman theme".


Olive2017-11-16 19:56:43
Elfman may have taken these comments a little seriously and decided to hit back.


Edmund Meinerts2017-11-17 09:58:10
Except that Zimmer's "happy jolly" comment was completely off the mark. That's now how I'd describe the tone of Elfman's Batman theme at all. It's brooding and dark, but in more of an old-school Gothic orchestral kind of way that still allowed for some bursts of heroism. I still maintain the theme itself could have worked in Nolan's films, albeit with substantially changed orchestrations and tone (and doesn't Zimmer kinda-sorta quote it at 7:18 in "A Dark Knight" anyways?).


Iamtommie2017-11-21 11:08:47
I think what Elfman said is not true.
Batman has different themes for different movies because every Batman is different.

Michael Keaton as Batman: Elfman's Theme
Christian Bale as Batman: Hans' Theme
Ben Affleck as Batman: Hans & Junkie's Theme.
Of course much more but the most important.

Each one if dies Batman's have a different story and a different universe. I think that for each universe a new theme is the best thing you can do. With a different theme you can relate more to this Batman than a previous one.

By the way, I think TDK, MoS & WW are 3 of the top 10 themes by Zimmer. I think what Elfman did the WW theme is an abomination. He removed the key instrument in the theme because he thought it was childisch.

I think the Justce League score is way worse than previous DCEU or Batman movies. I hope that Lorne of Junkie will do future DCUE movies instead of Elfman.

(Seeing Justice League thursday. I am curious if it is really that bad as everyine says)


JBSO992017-11-21 12:08:18
@Iamtommie You forgot the theme by Elliot Goldenthal for Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, for not to mention the theme from the 60's TV show and all the themes for all the different animated motion pictures such as The Dark Knight Returns, Mask of the Phantasm, or the videogames like the Arkham series.

Batman's musical legacy is very big so him saying there is only one theme and his the one he created is really disrespectful to a big amount of composers.


iamtommie2017-11-21 13:09:51
@JBSO99 you're right. It's so big and widely spread.

And you're right about me forgetting those score. I just picked these three because Elfman critized Zimmer


Meta2017-11-21 14:22:58
and Zimmer criticized Elfman...back and forth, etc. So what? The movie is lame, the score is about as lame as Bat V Sup

JBSO99 reply Replies: 4 || 2017-11-19 10:56:42
After watching the movie, I just have to say it was okay. It had some great moments but for me it had also many problems. And one of them was the music. For most of the part it wasn't even noticeable and when it was, it was like random background music with no really emotion or heart.

BvS and MoS movies can be criticized for some things but the score is not one of them. The movie gave the movie a strong and powerful side, as well as a heart and emotion into it. In this movie there were so many moments that needed different score.
***SPOILERS***
Superman's resurrection needed the MoS in full epic form. Wonder Woman at the bank at the beggining needed her theme with the electric cello in full power.
The Batman theme at the beginning when he is after that Parademon.
We should have a really memorable theme for the whole Justice League as well as for each individual member.
The scenes with Clark and Lois at the house in Kansas and when his mother sees him, this needed the piano theme from This Is Clark kent or something like that.
And that final moments with Superman opening his shirt showing the Superman logo and then flying to the sky, we needed something like "What Are You Going To Do When You're Not Saving The World?" or "Flight" and not that unmemorable music we got.

I really hope that the petition of the Extended Cut of the movie made by Zack with Junkie's music gets to be released someday, but for now, I'm disappointed.


James2017-11-19 23:36:38
Horner and many others with Star Trek is a good example too.


JBSO992017-11-20 18:06:50
@James I don't know what you are referring to exactly, but I think that Horner's score in Star Trek II is a great example of a follow up movie score within the same universe.
I think all of those movies use the Alexander Courage theme for the original series but they still have some original material of their own and that's what Elfman should have done if he wanted to use the old themes for Batman and Superman. He could have used those in some moments but also keeping some material from BvS and MoS and creating new themes for the new characters and the League.


James2017-11-20 18:47:40
They all respected the theme of Courage, but each new composer brought a different sub-theme to the franchise.


JBSO992017-11-21 11:54:53
Yeah, that's what I thought you meant. And that's what Elfman should have done if he wanted to use the old themes.

scarecrow9 reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-19 17:22:35
what do you gyus think about this?

www . youtube.com/watch?v=9riigqWjovM


Ahmad2017-11-19 20:39:49
"Don't believe everything you hear, son."


Olive2017-11-20 16:30:22
This is a kind of Chappie mixed with Arcade of MoS.

Kal reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-19 13:28:03
Anyone else think Hans knew about all the studio meddling during pre-production, the rewrites etc and walked away ? I mean, when I heard Elfman's score I thought it was generic and wouldn't fit the movie. Then I watched the movie and it fits well. The movie is just as bland as the music in the background.

ThomasFernandoMusic reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-19 07:10:44
Any ideas on the Chronological Order of the Tracks?
I made a start here...


Logos
Batman On The Roof
Everybody Knows - Titles
Wonder Woman Rescue

...
Icky Thump
Aquaman In Atlantis
...
1m1a Krypton (from Man Of Steel)
Spark Of The Flash
Friends And Foes
...
Come Together - Credits
Anti-Hero Theme - Credits

edsonrln reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-16 15:12:03
Are these "Full Length" tracks from the JL: Extended Edition?


Olive2017-11-16 18:01:23
Yep. The three last tracks.


ThomasFernandoMusic2017-11-19 07:03:03
No, they are the full score cues- as presented in the film. The presentation of the final three tracks on the first disc are edited down for timing.

Ds reply Replies: 23 || 2017-11-15 22:27:34
In the movie there are a few scenes that scream for Clark Kent's piano theme. You know, tracking shots in corn fields around the Kent farm, quiet scenes with Lois and Martha... but no. Not only did Whedon/Elfman reject Zimmer's theme, they even composed ANOTHER quiet piano theme to play during these scenes. Needless to say, that piano theme has nowhere near the heart and the identity of Zimmer's.

What the hell is wrong with these people? Clearly a lot of things went wrong during production, but the whole thing is probably even worse than Suicide Squad.


Everan2017-11-15 23:44:36
dat drama


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-16 00:04:27
No really the film is hilariously (or not) bad...


I don't even want to blame Elfman anymore, I just feel sorry for him he had to score it...


...2017-11-16 00:20:24
Well apparently only 15% of the movie are changes by Wheedon so some of the blame has to go to Snyder.


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-16 00:25:14
Then why 90% of the Superman scenes are reshots (with the most aweful CGI-removed stache ever lol) ?

To quote Bat V Sup : "In your dreams, Alfred !"


meta2017-11-16 02:29:41
unofficial answer:

Payback for Zimmer dissing Elfman in years past.

Reason for using Wonder Woman Theme: WB probably coerced him to use it from the success of Wonder Woman, but he only used it briefly.


Meta2017-11-16 02:32:17
Still trying to figure out the significance of the ukelele riff in this...Is there some kind of Italian/Mafia Superhero or something in this movie? Odd...


HunterTech2017-11-16 07:06:59
Hybrid, if Snyder went out and said that JL was still mostly his film, are you still gonna think that it's WB trying cover their backs?

Whedon would've gotten a director credit if he actually contributed a ton. There's no way they would've passed the film with only Zack's name on it, if that were to be the case.


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-16 08:38:28
HunterTech, so officially Klaus' name is on POTC, did he contributed a ton to the final score ?


Just contracts & politics...


rockhound2017-11-16 09:04:30
had Geostorm not the same problem? danny cannon and jerry bruckheimer were in charge for the heavy reshoots. i havent seen the movie, but in the latest trailer, both weren't mentioned. Did they get a big credit?


Ds2017-11-16 09:31:22
@Meta: if I remember well, this riff is used in scenes involving a Russian family living very close to the final battle stage (a remote location in Russia). They are random citizens whose purpose is to be saved by the Justice League in order to avoid criticisms of "too many casualties".


isildur2017-11-18 16:45:09
Came back from watching the movie and I couldn't agree more about what @Ds said. Adding to the scenes you mentioned I really felt instead of the intro song they should have played a variation Clark's piano theme it would've been so perfect as that whole sequence depicts a direct consequence of Clark/Superman's death and the loss everyone feels.

**SPOILERS**
And how fucking epic it would've been if MoS theme was played in all it's glory when he comes to their aid and punches Steppenwolf in the face.

What a wasted opportunity and did they reshoot all Cavill's scenes? His face looked so weird in almost all the shots with the CGI removed moustache.


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-18 16:51:58
Yes they did.

That Phantom Stache is in 90% of the Cavill shots...


Warner/DC died and chose Whedon to nail the coffin...


I hope like Superman 2, that one day, we'll get the "Donner's Cut" of this movie as it was supposed to be, because I think it was almost finished (even the score I'm sure Tom had written a good part of it).


isildur2017-11-18 17:54:38
The movie itself is bad on so many levels and adding to that in many scenes I was shaking my head as I was hearing a completely different score in my mind, but there it was, something which took me out of the movie. Disappointed.

Do you think Whedon would've convinced the producers to replace the composer(s) if Hans was scoring this along with Junkie? I can't imagine what the uproar it would've created.


Ahmad2017-11-18 18:13:49
Watched this movie yesterday and it didn't make the score any better. It's not the worst thing I've ever heard but after what we got with MoS & BvS it's just disappointing. There's so much missed opportunities. Both the movie and the score had so much potential but it's just flat.

The problem isn't just Elfman or Whedon, it's WB! They wanted the change in direction and that's really sad.


Mortifer V.2017-11-18 18:39:14
This film is atrocious. Suicide Squad was a mess but that film was forgivable. What WB decided to with JL is embarrassing, to say the least. Forcing Zack to change the tone and add forced childish humor and quips, demanding a less than 2-hour runtime, extensive reshoots with Whedon in charge... wtf were they thinking?

It's interesting to note that Zack hasn't even seen this abomination yet.


...2017-11-18 20:35:21
@Hybrid

Did Tom actually record anything for the film or did he just do demos?


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-18 21:47:35
I honestly have no idea... But I can't believe back in June when he left he hadn't done a bunch of the score already...


...2017-11-18 22:03:38
I wouldnít be surprised if he wrote another long sketchbook for it...


...2017-11-18 22:54:16
I can confirm that he had already worked on it quite a bit, because he said so in one of his Studio Time episodes.


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-18 23:19:57
The funny thing is an interview he gave 1 months before being replaced... Saying pretty much the opposite of Elfman !

"Itís a massive undertaking. And I canít say anything about Justice League specifically, but Iíll tell you this, and this was exactly the same experience that Hans and I had when we did work together on Man of Steel and Batman v Superman: Itís like when you see a movie like that, these iconic superhero movies, some of them have a 60 to 80 year legacy, multiple composers had a go at their themes, multiple filmmakers did their version of these charactersóitís very scary. You watch a movie and itís like, ďHoly shit, now I have to come up with something.Ē Youíve got sweaty hands and youíre nervous, and you talk about it over and over againóand I have exactly that relationship with Zack Snyderóand then Zack said, ĒThereís only one thing you can do, and that is embrace this character as if itís your own, keep it close to your musical soul, and just do whatever you feel is the right thing to do for this character.Ē Thatís the only thing we can do. Thatís what all these great directors did back in the day, and thatís what all these great composers did back in the day. It makes no sense for me to do extensive quoting of Hansí score of the really amazing Batmans. It makes no sense for me to quote Superman from John Williams. Because all fantastic composers, they all did the same thing, they did something that was close to their heart, and I have to do exactly the same thing on this movie. You know this is Movie Number 4 that Iím doing with Zack, so you build a friendship and itís built on trust and loyalty. You know how to challenge each other, you know what to expect on the other side, and itís this really open, amazing dialogue about where to take this franchise."


...2017-11-19 00:12:59
Damn that sounds different from Elfman's comments


Meta2017-11-19 05:31:58
so...based on what junkie says here, Elfman is basically just rehashing old shit, as well as other people's old shit....Unless you want to say he's taking his Batman theme into a whole different direction that he didn't really have a desire to do before...until now....

In that case, "whatever" is all I have to say.


Meow2017-11-19 06:21:47
* I posted this at filmtracks and wanted to share it here as well.

Danny Elfman's comments are very disrespectful and so disappointing for a creative person to hear, especially for composers. Nostalgia is a big problem with Hollywood and it's a simple Jedi mind trick. It's slightly different, but the same meal over and over with different seasoning. Imagine if James Horner didn't get to write the score he wanted for Spider-Man? Or Zimmer had to use Elfmans Batman theme for the DK triliolgy or BvS? Or Shirley Walkers incredible Batman theme for Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. Or Giacchino just used the original star trek theme, or the original Star Wars themes for Rogue One and created nothing new at all? How boring and uninspiring for the composers not being able to challenge themselves to create new original music.

Whether you like these scores or not isn't important, the pursuit to create something new is what drives a creative person and gives us freedom in choosing something to enjoy and not enjoy. I love the original Batman theme by Elfman but I love it in the Burton films. I love Zimmer scores for both the DK trilogy and BvS. I am happy I can enjoy both types of scores and films but there are those who don't and that's a great thing because that means we are not all the same and that brings variety of opinion and taste which creates real conversation and most importantly gives an identity to a project.

It's easy to go back to original ideas, but I respect the creators who actually take the risk and want to try and do something new. If Danny Elfman stands by his words he should have just used the original Batman theme from the Tv Show and film or the original Spider-Man theme. Oops he didn't and we got a whole new Batman theme and Spider-man theme which most of us love. Thank god he didn't stick to using the original themes. The Batman reboots and superman and Spider-man reboots are completely different takes on the characters and that's why they deserve their own new themes and soundscapes. The only time I think an original theme from a film should be used in a new film with the same characters is if it's actually a sequel or prequel connected to that actual original film. Re-boots should always have new original music.

In the end the comments from Elfman are simply stupid and uninspiring and it's definitely a hidden ego coming through I never new he had which is a shame. I remember what Zimmer said about Danny Elfman's Batman theme being a bit jolly, but that's not attacking Elfman at all, it's how he felt and heard the music and felt that that style wouldn't fit in the new batman films ect.. I have always found the original Batman theme a bit on the jolly side too and I love it because it nails Burton's take on the character and world. That theme is for Keaton's Batman, no one else's.

One final point, if we keep wanting to just revisit the past and hear and see the same thing over and over and not be challenged with new ideas, what a damn uninspiring and boring world of creativity we will live in.

All the best to you all!


... reply Replies: 8 || 2017-11-18 15:25:11
Elfman just dropped a few more offensive comments about composers regarding batman and spiderman


...2017-11-18 15:26:55
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/justice-league -danny-elfman-hates-reboots-scrap-classic-themes-1059632

What an arrogant guy


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-18 16:03:09
Funny I was laughed at when I said that film was 70% Joss Whedon, and Elfman just confirmed what I said ! lol


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-18 16:03:57
Snyder did too, actually, admitting has hasn't seen the finished movie...

#BringZackBack

#BringJXLBack


...2017-11-18 16:18:51
Yeah it was more of a Wheedon film. However I enjoyed the movie even though it was flawed. The score was horrible though.


Anonymous2017-11-18 16:35:56
After i finally saw the film, well in my opinion the film is incredibly. Watching those characters in a film is just like boy's dream.
I have watched every movie from Marvel and DC Cimenatic Universe, and i love both lines of cmics and for me, the first line of Marvel movies was the best in terms of narration. Iron man 1, the incredible hulk, thor 1, Captain america the first avenger were extraordinary movies. By now, i think Marvel/Disney go to the way of jokes to make the rest of the movies and i think this lost the interest in the movies, except with Captain America the winter soldier, Ant-man and captain merica civil war. Thor 3 is good, but for example Spiderman Homecoming was less good than Thor 3 but in sometimes i feel i am watching the same kind of movie. It's the same with the score, The incredible hulk, for me, is the best score for the Marvel series along with The winter soldier. One thing surprise me, "critics" put better scores for all the marvel movies except TV shows, and DC movies all have bad scores except wonder woman. And for me i enjoyed more the DC movies over Marvel movies. Man of steel and batman v superman were phenomenal movies and better than marvel movies. It's my opinion and Justice League is better than The first avengers. The tone of DC movies it's more like the comics and more dark, more serious. Maybe that's why i like them.
The same thing with the scores, i think The theme Arcade is the new superman theme. The themes for Batman (Elfman) and Superman (Maestro Williams) are iconic. But for the new kind of movies (The Dark Knight trilogy) the score Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard made for the films were awesome. If you put old score (Elfman Batman) to nolan's films well the films lost their identity. DC producers take some risks to put the films into darkness and serious mode and it worked, but also the movies need to win a lot of money, that's why they changed the tone of the film to some king of marvel-ite tone. I hope the don't go to that way to replace the tone of DC of jokes and lighter action like Marvel.


mpolonest123 2017-11-18 16:36:18
Normally Iím not one for petitions but I think releasing an alternate version with JXLís score and whatever other changes they could make.

Danny Elfmanís score has really been warming up to me the more I listen to it (on its own I donít think itís really that bad) but the lack of thematic continuity is definitely a sore spot. If Junkie could get a chance to rescore it, that would be a fair shake for Snyder and fans of Zimmerís work.


Anonymous2017-11-18 16:42:57
And if the critics put better scores to Marvel movies over DC movies, my opinion is they lost objectivity. the same kind with the scores.
The score is an essential part of the film, it's a character and it's important.
And the scores of DC have and identity.


Mortifer V.2017-11-18 18:44:23
"Joss said, ĎLetís do it [Batmanís theme] on the nose. Fans love this kind of stuff.í" Why do you have to ruin everything, Joss?

LS100 Studios reply Replies: 3 || 2017-11-17 16:41:18
After listening to this score a few times, I am starting to enjoy it. It's not fantastic, but it's not absolutely horrible, either. While I am very disappointed that Zimmer didn't score the film, and that Elfman didn't preserve the series' music continuity very well, I feel the score does hold up fairly well on its own. It introduces some nice motifs, and honestly, hearing the old Batman theme again is awesome, especially in tracks like "Then There Were Three" and "The Final Battle". Some may think it's out of place, but I feel it fits this iteration of the character. But then, Elfman gets lazy with some of the tracks. The opening of "The Amazon Mother Box" sounds like Elfman's theme for "Hulk", while the motif for the Justice League team is very reminiscent of the Avengers theme motif.

On the other hand, hearing the original Superman theme feels a bit odd - I love that theme, but the joyousness that Williams put into it doesn't fit this version of the character. Zimmer's amazing theme means so much in this series, and Elfman didn't reprise it once. Elfman did briefly reprise a trumpet rendition of Wonder Woman's theme, which was nice, but I personally expected to hear it a little more. And it made me even more confused as to why he didn't reprise other themes.

Personally I don't think Elfman was the best choice to score the film, but I don't think he did a horrible job. I would've loved to have heard Zimmer's score, considering the amazing work he's done for the series. Hopefully in the future, the themes he composed will be reprised more.


Gotham Rogue2017-11-17 18:33:42
Well said. Itís not a terrible score by any means, but the lack of continuity is incredibly disappointing. There were so many times in the movie that practically screamed for Hansí themes. The only point I heard one was the Krypton theme for (maybe) 15 seconds and that was just an insert from a previous film. Iíd love to do a fan project once the movie is released and insert music from Man of Steel/BvS and see how it changes the feel of this film.


JBSO992017-11-18 10:22:58
@Gotham Rogue That's what I think exactly. And when the complete score of BvS gets released/leaked we could have enough music for filling all the moments in the JL.
If they had kept MoS theme, I think people wouldn't be so angry at Elfman.


scarecrow92017-11-18 10:45:30
look what I found www . change.org/p/warner-bros-zack-snyder-s-director-s-and-tom-ho lkenborg-s-score-for-home-release-e90fef07-11c6-4a9a-9ae8-37 5c7717dafa

David reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-18 01:23:22
Ok HERE GOES...

THE FILM - a mixed bag that takes advantage of it's characters but fails as a compelling narrative and has a villain with so much backstory and potential from the comics and merely turns him into a typical TV villain of the week who amounts to very little.

THE SCORE - haha honestly if it weren't for Wonder Woman's first shot and the epic scene at 2:40 in "Final Battle" you would swear there was no score composed because Mr. Elfman's boring, generic and STRONG THEME lacking score is completely buried and forgettable.

Everyone on this site will agree that when Hans, Junkie and co. compose... THEY let you know they are there and mean business.


I love Firefly, Serenity and Avengers 1 but FUCK JOSS WHEDON FOR REPLACING JUNXIE XL.

... reply Replies: 1 || 2017-11-18 00:51:48
Hybrid, shortly after BvS was released I read that zimmer had written themes/motifs for the justice league characters (Flash, Aquaman and cyborg) and that junkie would use those in his justice league score.

Was that the case and is there a half completed score by junkie containing some unheard zimmer genes?


...2017-11-18 00:55:36
Themes*

Andrew reply Replies: 18 || 2017-11-13 00:44:28
Is it true Balfe is doing Aquaman ????????


edsonrln2017-11-13 13:33:58
Nope. Atli ÷rvarsson will make the score.


Mike2017-11-13 14:16:14
Where did you hear about Balfe ?i doubt Atli could something like this?


edsonrln2017-11-13 14:39:18
It has not been fully confirmed, but there is an escalation. Atli was additional composer in Man of Steel.


James2017-11-13 17:24:44
Wikipedia and Imdb.


Mike2017-11-13 18:49:02
Balfe seems to be mentioned a lot on the DC forums and he has mentioned he is doing at the moment a big film franchise - Hybrid ?????


Edmund Meinerts2017-11-13 21:42:19
Mike, not sure why you would doubt Atli - he doesn't do too many big scores but the ones that he does do are great. Man's got talent.


George2017-11-13 21:54:26
I don't know that Atli is actually doing that. I remember once seeing it on IMDB and Wikipedia as well, but I just checked and his name is nowhere to be found on either website's page for Aquaman. Hopefully we'll know something more soon. As long as its not Elfman lol..


isildur2017-11-13 22:11:48
I am pretty certain Lorne is doing MI:6. If Atli is indeed doing the Aquaman movie, I am all for it. He's at the top of composers who really deserve it. Incredibly talented.


George2017-11-13 22:59:13
Oh that sounds awesome. Lorne doing MI-6?? Why are you so certain?


...2017-11-13 23:02:46
There is no way that Balfe is doing MI:6. Joe Kraemer is doing that, he has worked with the director on every movie he has done.


JBSO992017-11-14 10:17:34
What about James Newton Howard scoring Aquaman? I'm writing this listening to his Atlantis score and I think he would fit very well. He would redeem himself from the superhero genre after the not great Green Lantern. He could bring something interesting, memorable and epic.

About MI:6 I don't think Joe Kraemer is still confirmed but if the director is the same, he will probably be doing it, and I liked his score for Rogue Nation so I'm happy with that.


Olive2017-11-14 17:55:40
can we take Hybrid's silence as a half confirmation?


James2017-11-17 03:07:31
I do not know ... MI6 is a "Bad Robot" production, JJ Abrams's company. They often work with Kraemer, Trapanese, Beck... But isn't impossible.Hybrid's silence can mean something.


Anonymous2017-11-17 12:11:41
@George, Lorne has been retweeting all the SkyDance's tweets on Mission Impossible movies. And they never really announced that Kraemer is returning to compose MI:6. Everybody just assumed he would. So, I'm pretty sure Lorne's doing it. I could be wrong, though.


isildur2017-11-17 12:12:43
The above "Anonymous" is just me. I forgot to type the name.LOL


Olive2017-11-17 14:26:17
For one intance I really thought it was lorne balfe disguised


Olive2017-11-17 14:28:32
Instant (corrector problems)


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-17 18:17:01
Bah leave me alone, I still need a few years to overcome the fall of House DC... What a horrible movie that JL was, I can't get over it... lol

qnebra reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-14 23:08:35
I listen this score for six, seven times, and I think it is very good. Danny Elfman just the opposite of Junkie XL be not afraid of woodwinds, and used them on beautiful and magical way in Flash motiff.

Kingfannypack reply Replies: 1 || 2017-11-13 06:55:26
Of course NOW everybody talks about BvS in a positive light... BvS had quite a few great cues, and an interesting soundscape. Just wish there could be a leak of the complete score or recording sessions or complete recordings or whichever. I really liked the Lex Luthor theme, I wish the released official score had more of that.


JBSO992017-11-13 11:51:34
I don't think Batman V Superman was bad at all. The score introduced three new themes (Batman, Wonder Woman & Lex Luthor) and developed the MoS themes with darker variations of the themes.
Just looking at the scene where Superman arrives at the Senate makes me feel that the theme by Zimmer is a really good fit for this Superman (because it does not only reflects the lighter side of him, but also has some dark and beautiful moments).
I wish the complete score or the recording sessions for BvS because there are a lot of great missing cues.

HunterTech reply Replies: 1 || 2017-11-13 07:37:48
I'm honestly more amused by the fact that people think JL is gonna be the "bad one" of the DCEU, when most are seriously flawed to begin with. Do they make more of an impression than the MCU films? Absolutely. But the truth here is that the studio was always making poor choices from day one, and that the real creative people ended up suffering for it. It's just that fans still found a lot of stuff to appreciate, regardless of the faults. At this point, I'm just hoping for a film that's at least as messy as BvS was.

I sincerely doubt Whedon's involvement was that large, considering the most he got was a screenwriter credit. Should this have truly been a Superman II situation, he either would've gotten co-director or solo credit. It's still mostly a Snyder film, with just a few quips and bits added here and there. Besides, whatever the original vision was going to be got changed the instant BvS had the reception it did. No questioning it there.

I'm disappointed, but not surprised by the reception the score has gotten. It's clear to me that the people are so into the Zimmer/RCP sound that anything else isn't going to often be given fair judgement. That doesn't apply to every or even most fans, but it's still present enough to take note of it.

For me, I just prefer Elfman's style, period. Even when there isn't much going on, he sure knows how to keep your attention. However, in this case, it's still that thing where the objectively better item is still beat out by the subjectively more entertaining one. BvS I find a significant downgrade from MoS score wise, but it still makes an impression on me, positive or not. And the most JL has given me are the brief reprises of themes here and there. And I do mean brief. They're never allowed to go full on like their previous incarnations have, so it does make me wonder if Elfman was simply just held back by the producers or the film itself. Either way, I still much prefer the work on Batman 89 and the Nolan trilogy (though I'll always have a soft spot for Goldenthal). Everyone involved in this universe have simply done much better with this material in the past.

I don't know how often I'll post here (seeing as this is my first post), but I'm absolutely positive that I won't be making any member angry here tonight. :P


JBSO992017-11-13 11:46:56
I also like a lot Elfman's style but specially in the dark-fantasy movie (the Tim Burton movies). Outside of that he is usually boring and bland (with little exceptions). And in here, I think he just does not fit. The score it's not bad but it's like BvS and MoS were never made and that is the big problem I think many people has with this score. It just doesn't respect the previous established themes, that some of us really liked and that have pissed off so many people (including myself), even if I liked the Elfman's Batman theme.

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 1 || 2017-11-13 01:11:18
Seeing a lot of controversy and interesting discussion here, and I just want to say this:

I totally get it if you're disappointed that Elfman threw out Zimmer's material in favor of his own and the cameos of Williams. Thematic continuity being ignored is a gigantic pet peeve of mine and it's happened in way too many franchises lately.

HOWEVER - when I see comments like "worst score of the year", "obsolete jingles from the 80s", "cheesy and cartoonish"...come on, guys. Be reasonable. It might not be what you wanted to hear but if you take the score on its own terms, it's not worthy of that sort of abuse by any standard. Maybe not what you hoped for, but it's not awful, or incompetent, or worst-score-ever level stuff.

And I'm especially saddened to see the disrespect shown to Elfman's Batman theme and Williams' Superman theme...maybe you think they don't belong in this particular DC Universe, which is your right to feel that way...but that doesn't mean that those themes are necessarily "old-fashioned" or "obsolete". Those are two CLASSIC and ICONIC themes. Far better than anything composed for the DCEU so far. Inserting them three films into an existing universe might not have been the best decision, but to say that they (or any music of that caliber - bold, orchestral, thematic) are somehow not viable to exist in a modern superhero movie is just ridiculous, IMO.

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JBSO992017-11-13 11:40:21
I think some people in here are too radical. I mean, I don't think it's great but I don't think it's the worst of the year at all. If you listen to it without thinking inside the same universe, it's enjoyable. The problem comes when you compare it to the previous movies of the DCEU.

I agree that Elfman's Batman and William's Superman are iconic and really great themes. The Batman theme fits at times but the Superman theme not and I don't really get why they just forgot about anything that came before (MoS, BvS & WW). Elfman could have introduced a reference to Williams theme inside a new representation of MoS theme by Zimmer or something like that. And the same goes with the Batman theme.

Pincel reply Replies: 8 || 2017-11-12 15:47:51
You'd expect fanboyism from a page like this, but this discussion is off the charts!...

You guys can seriouslly say that this is one of the worst score you've ever heard, and keep a straight face? Wow...

That it MAY not fit the movie; well that's acceptable criticism, even though I doubt anyone here has even seen the movie yet...
That Elfman did not use previous themes established in the universe for whatever reason; that's fair criticism as well to an extent (very arguable, considering what he had to work with IMO).

To call this an inherently bad score, as in the music is terrible and without craft. Well, sorry to say, but I believe you may very well all be insane...

MoS and BvS scores had their merits, they fit the movies the were made for, which a film score should always do, sure. But was the music really that great by itself? Outside of a theme or two, I really don't think it holds up outside the respective movies, but then again, my opinion.

I'm really not crazy for this JL score either, trust me, but I can't say I don't appreciate the more orchestral tone and less bullshit propaganda approach (drummer circle publicity stunt anyone?).

I'm sorry, but most of you just come out as cry babies, because it's not Hans, Junkie XL or Lorne Balfe or whatever RCP clone. Let's wait for the movie, and then the discussion can be more focused.




Hybrid Soldier2017-11-12 16:08:08
"hat it MAY not fit the movie;"

That's my main concern, my only fear is that it will ! It sounds an average Marvel score made for an average Marvel movie, and that's not what I wanted to finish this trilogy...

Granted, I'm not a HZ fanboy here, I'm a Zack Snyder fanboy, and I absolutely hate that hack Whedon and his aweful Avengers TV movies that weirdly managed to get screened in actual cinemas. The moment he took over JL, I knew he could only ruin everything because of scared producers and lost all hope on that film. Firing JXL (which I saw coming from miles away the minute he took over) was just an expected cherry on the cake ! ;)

A few days left before that film comes out, I'm scared it'll make me wish Superman stayed dead in that grave at the end of Bat v Sup... lol


rockhound2017-11-12 16:21:04
i also think that the score will fit the movie and i mean it also not in a positive way for the movie. from the last trailer the movie looks so cartoonish and the score sounds in parts exactly like that. this "in the middle of face" humor is very annoying. the production design looks as fake as the old Batman movies. it seems like they changed direction in 180į with this movie.


Cyberpunk882017-11-12 16:31:36
Yes, MoS & BvS scores were great by themselves. There is a reason we're here on a Zimmer fan page, not Elfman. His music is very different from Zimmer's, so it's not strange that people (like me) don't often or ever listen to Elfman's music because some (or maybe most) of us like Zimmer's type of style better.

So when somebody replaces his music with something completely different in the middle of a sequence of movies that are tied together, it's not really fanboyism, it's fair criticism on both the decision to dump the previous themes, and to the new score itself which is very different to Zimmer's/XL's previous scores and not what we are used to listen to as Zimmer fans..


mpolonest123 2017-11-12 17:28:12
@Pincel
I can definitely agree with you on some of the points you make. DCís music doesnít need to be relegated to just RCP. Creatively that would be stifling. And in regards to the music itself, I personally like it. Yes, itís a departure from the previously established sound, but itís an interesting take on this universe. And in context who knows, it might work wonders.

Where I disagree is on the quality of the previous scores. Granted, Iím not a huge fan of BVS, but MoS still is one of my favorite scores. Elfman (or more like Whedon) jettisoning the themes in exchange for Williamsí music is definitely in bad taste. Thematic consistency is one thing DC has over Marvel, and to see it fo is very frustrating. I think people would be more accepting if the old themes were still incorporated.


mpolonest123 2017-11-12 17:30:38
On the flip side though, I will admit that Iím ok with Elfmanís Batman theme returning. I was never crazy about the previous theme, so thematic consistency aside it doesnít bother me. Just my opinion of course.


F1-TARS2017-11-12 21:05:46
The man of steel theme and wonder women theme for me has become iconic with those characters, will be a big shame to not here them in the justice league movie

Very forgetful and poor score


Pincel2017-11-12 23:12:13
Look, I'm with most of you regarding the movie, It's not looking great judging from the trailers, specially with the out of place humor and all that. Definitely a huge turn from the darker and more serious tone of the previous entries, with the exception of Wonder Woman, which was already much lighter.

I just wanted to point that I feel like there's a hugely negative overreaction to the music, which I don't believe is really fair, since it's pretty serviceable at the very least, and with some strong statements of orchestral power.

Some of you give very valid arguments for not liking it, and I 100% respect that. My post was more of a reaction to those who are making some negative and downright asinine comments, as if it was Elfman's fault for being hired and accepting to do the music.
He did his job, and I'm sure Whedon/WB are happy enough with the result, wether we like it or not.

Bringing back the old themes, sure, doesn't really make any sense, but boy, it felt good to hear that old Batman theme once again, even if just part of it.


META2017-11-13 00:40:20
The Justice League theme IS the Batman theme....deconstructed and reconstructed.

Out of this entire score, I managed to cut away 30 minutes total. What my ear caught most were the first 5 notes to the Batman theme which tend to lead into the hero theme, of which its based on.

To be honest, this score is like Elfman ignored Batman Forever, Batman and Robin, Nolan's Dark Knight, Man of Steel and BvS and said "you know what? This is my BATMAN 3!"

Because it kind of IS...His theme dominates this score whether you realize it or not.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-12 09:50:35
Well guys you need to understand Elfman is not really to blame... Warner & Wedhon are...

I mean Junkie was scoring Snyder's Justice League, both departed... MOS & BvS had good box officie results but nothing compared to the Marvel machine, and got a lot of criticism... Warner decided to drop the dark DC universe (like suddenly making a "bright / jokes / fun" Marvel-like movie will get them the figures of Marvel lol...) to go the opposite way recycling recent Marvel people like Wedhon and Elfman...

What I mean is, it's not the score departing from the previous entries... It's the film !


Ds2017-11-12 10:38:53
Yeah, the tone change is one thing, but the complete departure from Hans' themes is something else. Danny could have taken Hans' MoS theme and arranged it in a brighter, more heroic and upbeat way.

Do you think it's also Whedon's fault if the themes have been trashed? Or more some kind of laziness/ego thing of Elfman?


META2017-11-12 15:38:36
"Batman only has one theme." - Elfman

(my theme, he means to say)

Now that I'm done defending Elfman, I'm beginning to suspect...You say he didn't have a hand in it. Based on his remarks, it makes me think he kinda DID, actually.

Mk reply Replies: 4 || 2017-11-12 09:15:46
One of the worst scores this year.

Congratulations Whedon and Elf Man, you absolutely destroyed the epic of Justice League created by Hans Zimmer, Junkie XL and Rupert Gregson-Williams in MoS, BvS and WW with your obsolete jingles of the 80s.

You both, STAY AWAY from the upcoming DC films.


James2017-11-12 11:05:06
The people take things a little too far. While DC films depended exclusively on the vision of their filmmakers, the scores maintained a sound unit. Now that they have expanded the Universe and will release two or three films in a year, other directors and composers will work with these characters and will try to bring something new to it. That's what happens to Marvel today. How many different themes do we have for Thor (3)? And for Iroh Man (4 or 5)? In the future, even Star Wars will suffer with this. Williams will not make all the films they intend to release in the next decade. And not every composer will be content to just imitate his style


Mk2017-11-12 12:40:58
Simply read forums, reddit, social networks, etc.

For once everyone is unanimous, hating EVERYWHERE this soundtrack. A soundtrack that should be incredible (and it is not) for a blockbuster of this caliber .

"Too common."
"Sound heard many times."
"No substance, totally typical and unnoticed."
"We are not at Christmas yet."
"Forgettable."
"I can't remember any piece. Nothing."
"Looks like music for a TV commercial."
"Elfman composed this soundtrack in 5 minutes."
"Only the rework/suite of the Batman theme in the last track is good."

Things like that and more is what I can't stop seeing everywhere. And I also have to agree because it's absolutely true.

The soundtrack for Age of Ultron was very gorgeous because Brian Tyler was holding the ship's wheel, but if Elfman had been alone it would have been also as bad.

He don't know how to compose music for this kind of films in our time because there are many stuck composers who no longer serve in music industry due they don't know how to use new technology (like the glorious synth room of Junkie XL). Instead, he probably think that we still in 1989, but no, we are in 2017, his music is no longer useful, I can't have a scene with Flash running or fighting with a xylophone ringing in my ear in the background for example.


James2017-11-12 13:37:08
No way. If you search forums and review sites you will see that Elfman was responsible for the best moments of the Ultron score. And yes, when I refer people who are criticizing to the extreme, I am referring to all those who are criticizing on Youtube, Facebook, Amazon, Twitter, Reddit, forums ... It is not the worst work of Elfman, not even the worst score of the year or the worst of the DCEU ... And this situation will be repeated many times because no composer wants to be the shadow of the work of another. The only exception to date are the Bond films, Superman Returns and Rogue One. Even Giacchino, who says cares about musical continuity in the films, has not made a commitment to create a new theme for Iroh Man.
I did not like of the soundtrack. Not because I expected Elfman to write music like Zimmer, but because he did not write music like he used to.


Hybrid Soldier2017-11-12 13:56:19
Ultron, Tyler was fired... It's only because Elfman had no time to rescore the whole thing that they kept part of Brian's score...

George reply Replies: 10 || 2017-11-10 06:21:10
Wow this is bad. This is coming from a guy who was excited to hear what Elfman had to offer. I don't even like the use of WW theme, it sounds so cheesy and cartoonish. Oh well. Hopefully warner bros doesn't let him ruin another score and they bring in Brian Tyler (here come the comments), Lorne (again, here come the comments lol), R Gregson-Williams, or Jablonsky. Rupert deserves it most in my opinion


JBSO992017-11-11 12:25:15
I think Rupert Gregson-Williams would have been better for this movie, because he created the Wonder Woman score wich kept old themes, introduced some new themes and still felt inside the same universe. Also Balfe could have keep the themes from BvS and MoS.

I like some of the moments with Elfman's Batman theme, but the Superman theme just does not fit and makes me miss the fantastic scores of Man of Steel and Batman V Superman.


Hedon2017-11-11 17:56:47
Anyone at RCP would have been better than what we got here. Why not give the whole thing to Zanelli and Tom?


James2017-11-11 21:36:05
Elfman did his job. It's too neutral, but there are good moments on the album. Other composers will take responsibility for the soundtracks of the upcoming films that will be released in the future. Giacchino with Reeves in Batman, Gregson Williams will likely return to Wonder Woman 2, and maybe Silvestri (?) With Zemeckis with Flash. Not is the end of the world.


Macejko2017-11-11 22:26:15
For fucks sake, keep Giacchino away from Batman.


Brent2017-11-12 02:04:56
Iím with Macejko on this one. Keep Giacchino miles away from Batman. Before Reeves stepped in, I thought Harry Gregson-Williams would be the perfect choice since heís worked with Affleck before.


love ! DC 2017-11-12 02:17:57
Danny Elfman is a great composer.
ZimmerÖ is a butcherÖ
Only a tone deaf person can appreciate his noise.
No emotionÖnothingÖ
Any kid with a synthesizer can do a better job.
Easy to emulate Zimmer but not easy to emulate Danny Elfman or John WilliamsÖ


Mike (OTM)2017-11-12 02:40:15
The Last Samurai, The Prince of Egypt, At World's End, Interstellar, and many other scores beg to differ...


Miguel 2017-11-12 03:55:53
I wish Zimmer has written the score . Hearing the Elfman theme in this music makes snigger a bit


META2017-11-12 04:36:35
LOL what were they thinking?

I guess this is Whedon's fault...

Elfman doesn't fit this new itineration.

Even though I can see he's trying to be and I respect his courage to do so.

Seriously...was there NO ONE ELSE from RCP?



James2017-11-12 10:44:46
A guy from RCP would have the right to write a bad and still be applauded.

katrin reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-12 02:39:15
So sad -,-

one of the worse scores i have ever heard.

i like the old batman-theme but here is so wrong!
this batman is not the same like the burtons-movie.

very sad that elfman this not realice

Eric reply Replies: 0 || 2017-11-11 04:48:47
Iím glad Zanelli worked on Justice League. Heís been doing a lot of big name movies this year. He got his big break with Pirates Of The Caribbean: Dead Men Tells No Tales. I wonder what tracks on here he mainly contributed to. And Iím kinda sad Junkie and Hans didnít do it. But I do like Elfman he just should have used Zimmers Batman and Superman themes. Iíve been listening to the soundtrack and havenít heard them. But I did like John Williams Superman Returning. But with this whole Zimmer vs Elfman war. Iím on John Williams side waiting for the Star Wars: The Last Jedi Soundtrack. Iím hoping The Imperial March is in it.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 4 || 2017-11-10 12:47:44
A part of me died listening to this... And probably the other will as well after seeing the film...

I will quietly leave the room and go listen to Arcade from MOS in loops... lol


Meta2017-11-10 14:21:08
"Batman on the Roof"...Elfman using his Batman theme without using his Batman theme, meanwhile trying to ape Zimmer's theme by using his own Batman theme....Oy vey.

Meh. I'm with you on this. I dont know what the hell WB or Whedon was thinking here...Simply doesn't fit the current style. Then again, if this movie is going to be about Gods fighting Gods and cracking jokes ala the Avengers, then yeah it IS a differently painted horse....Christ.


Ahmad2017-11-10 16:21:46
I listened to a sample of Track 6 and then went back immediately and played some MoS tracks.
I wonder how things would've been different if Zimmer was involved. Would they fire Zimmer for Elfman? :D


Scorefan2017-11-10 20:47:47
Well, for me the theme Arcade is the new superman theme. I mean, it's epic, it's amazing and sound it incredible. The way ii was used in the scenes where Zod disband the council and when zod and his army go to the black hole is amazing.


Olive2017-11-11 01:19:50
Arcade is by XL.

Mephariel reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-10 09:59:55
Pinar Toprak wrote additional music for this score. I wonder why she is not listed here. Is she still a part of RCP?


James2017-11-10 15:20:44
Yes, she is.


Scorefan2017-11-10 20:44:23
Pinar is not part of RCP. But she wrote additional music for the film.
@Hybrid do you know what parts did she wrote for the film score? thanks

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 4 || 2017-11-10 19:03:44
Would Whedon have had the guts to fire Zimmer? Iím sure either way Hans would have done everything to make Whedon satisfied.


Ds2017-11-10 19:40:20
Warner would never have done that. You don't fire Hans Zimmer. It's an honor if he accepts to work on your movie, not the other way around.
And yes, no doubt Zimmer would have adapted the musical style to fit the tone of the movie, but he would still have used all the wonderful themes and soundscapes from MoS and BvS.
There was no need to erase all that, it's very lazy of Elfman.


Mike (OTM)2017-11-10 19:48:59
I agree. One of the big comments from Filmtracks about Batman Begins when it came out was that Hans and James were "lazy" for not using Elfman's music. But at least Zimmer's been true to the reboot philosophy. He didn't use his Dark Knight stuff for Ben Affleck. He wrote a new theme, even though the character didn't inspire him.

I usually love Elfman, but this was a big mistake. The old Batman theme works reasonably well, but the Superman theme is like a sore thumb in this world, and there's WAY too heavy of an Avengers vibe in "The Final Battle." I really wish Hans hadn't quit this universe. This might have been, at last, the movie where he used his Superman theme in full form.


Mike (OTM)2017-11-10 19:52:28
Also, for Elfman to say Zimmer write a theme for this Batman is purely idiotic. There's a clear, hummable tune in Batfleck's theme. It's not just rhythmic stuff.


Mike (OTM)2017-11-10 19:53:12
to say Zimmer didn't** write a theme. Autocorrect.

Bradyn reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-10 14:10:19
I feel like the only person on this site who loves this score.

Yeah, it was different, and I wish it used Zimmerís Superman theme, but I loved this. I felt like the music I heard when I was a kid watching the DCAU shows. I wouldnít even say the music is ďtoo MarvelĒ because nothing from Marvel hasnít been this outright epic in scope. This is music for gods fighting to to save the world, and I freaking loved it.


Ds2017-11-10 14:14:29
gods fighting to save the world... while making jokes and smiling at each other!


Mortifer V.2017-11-10 14:49:14
ďThis is music for gods fighting to save the worldĒ you canít possibly be serious.

Micah reply Replies: 2 || 2017-11-08 22:35:13
Elfman: "I came up with two heroic themes, one which was just an overall Justice League theme and one which was a team theme. Iím using that more when the team is coming together. I also have an ďAnti-Hero ThemeĒ as well as a Steppenwolf theme. But then I tried to provide really simple little hooks for Cyborg, Flash and Aquaman, without going too far. Thereís a certain point where you just get a mess of themes, and thatís just going to be a nightmare. So, I tried to simplify those characters to just a few notes, so that thereís something recognizable, and I tried to keep my new thematic action more involved around the entire group as a whole, so it didnít get too fragmented."

You could learn a thing or two from Howard Shore, bub. Also, based on quotes earlier in the article, it sounds like a lot of the Batman/Superman themes are because of Whedon's meddling.

It sucks that we're not getting definitive, crowd-pleasing themes for Cyborg, Aquaman, and the Flash. Look at the magic Zimmer made with Wonder Woman's theme in her brief cameo.

Oh well, at least it means that Elfman won't be the be-all/end-all for those characters (thank God).


Will2017-11-10 05:45:21
"You could learn a thing or two from Howard Shore, bub." What kind of naive point are you trying to make there? They both know how to nail thematic interplay. Do you recall the themes for every single person in the Fellowship? Oh, that's right. There weren't individual themes for every single person in the Fellowship!


Meta2017-11-10 14:26:30
I think that's Micah's point, Will...

Ujal reply Replies: 1 || 2017-11-10 08:57:23
Listen to this.... now go listen to "Ideal of Hope", "Beautiful Lie" and "We All to Blame". This soundtrack is a joke. They've done it, they Marvelized the DC Universe. Today a part of me died.&#65279;


Meta2017-11-10 14:23:46
You're not wrong,, Ujal.

I considered this to be a darker more realistic take, as kinda has been...But to be honest ever since Batman vs Superman I always feared this would turn into a comic book and realism would go out the window...

Oh well...

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