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After watching the movie, I just have to say it was okay. It had some great moments but for me it had also many problems. And one of them was the music. For most of the part it wasn't even noticeable and when it was, it was like random background music with no really emotion or heart.<br><br>BvS and MoS movies can be criticized for some things but the score is not one of them. The movie gave the movie a strong and powerful side, as well as a heart and emotion into it. In this movie there were so many moments that needed different score. <br>***SPOILERS***<br>Superman's resurrection needed the MoS in full epic form. Wonder Woman at the bank at the beggining needed her theme with the electric cello in full power.<br>The Batman theme at the beginning when he is after that Parademon.<br>We should have a really memorable theme for the whole Justice League as well as for each individual member.<br>The scenes with Clark and Lois at the house in Kansas and when his mother sees him, this needed the piano theme from This Is Clark kent or something like that.<br>And that final moments with Superman opening his shirt showing the Superman logo and then flying to the sky, we needed something like "What Are You Going To Do When You're Not Saving The World?" or "Flight" and not that unmemorable music we got.<br><br>I really hope that the petition of the Extended Cut of the movie made by Zack with Junkie's music gets to be released someday, but for now, I'm disappointed.Sounds fun!!<br>Thanks for the linkAny ideas on the Chronological Order of the Tracks?<br>I made a start here...<br><br><br>Logos<br>Batman On The Roof<br>Everybody Knows - Titles<br>Wonder Woman Rescue<br><br>...<br>Icky Thump<br>Aquaman In Atlantis<br>...<br>1m1a Krypton (from Man Of Steel)<br>Spark Of The Flash<br>Friends And Foes<br>...<br>Come Together - Credits<br>Anti-Hero Theme - CreditsNo, they are the full score cues- as presented in the film. The presentation of the final three tracks on the first disc are edited down for timing.* I posted this at filmtracks and wanted to share it here as well. <br><br>Danny Elfman's comments are very disrespectful and so disappointing for a creative person to hear, especially for composers. Nostalgia is a big problem with Hollywood and it's a simple Jedi mind trick. It's slightly different, but the same meal over and over with different seasoning. Imagine if James Horner didn't get to write the score he wanted for Spider-Man? Or Zimmer had to use Elfmans Batman theme for the DK triliolgy or BvS? Or Shirley Walkers incredible Batman theme for Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. Or Giacchino just used the original star trek theme, or the original Star Wars themes for Rogue One and created nothing new at all? How boring and uninspiring for the composers not being able to challenge themselves to create new original music.<br><br>Whether you like these scores or not isn't important, the pursuit to create something new is what drives a creative person and gives us freedom in choosing something to enjoy and not enjoy. I love the original Batman theme by Elfman but I love it in the Burton films. I love Zimmer scores for both the DK trilogy and BvS. I am happy I can enjoy both types of scores and films but there are those who don't and that's a great thing because that means we are not all the same and that brings variety of opinion and taste which creates real conversation and most importantly gives an identity to a project.<br><br>It's easy to go back to original ideas, but I respect the creators who actually take the risk and want to try and do something new. If Danny Elfman stands by his words he should have just used the original Batman theme from the Tv Show and film or the original Spider-Man theme. Oops he didn't and we got a whole new Batman theme and Spider-man theme which most of us love. Thank god he didn't stick to using the original themes. The Batman reboots and superman and Spider-man reboots are completely different takes on the characters and that's why they deserve their own new themes and soundscapes. The only time I think an original theme from a film should be used in a new film with the same characters is if it's actually a sequel or prequel connected to that actual original film. Re-boots should always have new original music.<br><br>In the end the comments from Elfman are simply stupid and uninspiring and it's definitely a hidden ego coming through I never new he had which is a shame. I remember what Zimmer said about Danny Elfman's Batman theme being a bit jolly, but that's not attacking Elfman at all, it's how he felt and heard the music and felt that that style wouldn't fit in the new batman films ect.. I have always found the original Batman theme a bit on the jolly side too and I love it because it nails Burton's take on the character and world. That theme is for Keaton's Batman, no one else's.<br><br>One final point, if we keep wanting to just revisit the past and hear and see the same thing over and over and not be challenged with new ideas, what a damn uninspiring and boring world of creativity we will live in.<br><br>All the best to you all!<br><br>
so...based on what junkie says here, Elfman is basically just rehashing old shit, as well as other people's old shit....Unless you want to say he's taking his Batman theme into a whole different direction that he didn't really have a desire to do before...until now....<br><br>In that case, "whatever" is all I have to say.Nice stuff! I still can't believe this score hasn't gotten a release.That's unfortunate. With this score, I think it's obvious that the majority is Jablonsky, as it has a ton of elements from scores he's composed exclusively, but it would still be nice to know who did what, especially with the first and second films. Not sure why there's rarely any proper additional music credits for a lot of the RCP guys, especially considering Zimmer's credits are almost always complete. <br><br>However that cuesheet of the extended score is very interesting. Hopefully if it leaks, all those cues remain there.Damn that sounds different from Elfman's commentsThe funny thing is an interview he gave 1 months before being replaced... Saying pretty much the opposite of Elfman !<br><br>"Itís a massive undertaking. And I canít say anything about Justice League specifically, but Iíll tell you this, and this was exactly the same experience that Hans and I had when we did work together on Man of Steel and Batman v Superman: Itís like when you see a movie like that, these iconic superhero movies, some of them have a 60 to 80 year legacy, multiple composers had a go at their themes, multiple filmmakers did their version of these charactersóitís very scary. You watch a movie and itís like, ďHoly shit, now I have to come up with something.Ē Youíve got sweaty hands and youíre nervous, and you talk about it over and over againóand I have exactly that relationship with Zack Snyderóand then Zack said, ĒThereís only one thing you can do, and that is embrace this character as if itís your own, keep it close to your musical soul, and just do whatever you feel is the right thing to do for this character.Ē Thatís the only thing we can do. Thatís what all these great directors did back in the day, and thatís what all these great composers did back in the day. It makes no sense for me to do extensive quoting of Hansí score of the really amazing Batmans. It makes no sense for me to quote Superman from John Williams. Because all fantastic composers, they all did the same thing, they did something that was close to their heart, and I have to do exactly the same thing on this movie. You know this is Movie Number 4 that Iím doing with Zack, so you build a friendship and itís built on trust and loyalty. You know how to challenge each other, you know what to expect on the other side, and itís this really open, amazing dialogue about where to take this franchise."
I can confirm that he had already worked on it quite a bit, because he said so in one of his Studio Time episodes.I wouldnít be surprised if he wrote another long sketchbook for it...I honestly have no idea... But I can't believe back in June when he left he hadn't done a bunch of the score already...The thing is with Jablonsky scores composers rarely get cuesheet credits, so you can't really draw conclusions out of it. Here's a small part of the cuesheet :<br><br>QUINTESSA PT 1<br>QUINTESSA PT 2<br>QUINTESSA PT 3 OPTIMUS REDEMPTION<br>KNIGHTED<br>WE HAVE TO GO ZERO GRAVITY<br><br>OPENING BATTLE<br>MERLIN<br>MERLIN GETS THE STAFF - BATTLE WON<br>TROUBLED TIMES<br>CADE DRIVING - AMULET<br>WE HUNT - DECEPTICONS HUNT<br>KEEP A SECRET - VIV ARRIVES CASTLE FOLGEN<br>WITWICCANS<br>ROUNDTABLE ORGAN SOURCE<br>COGMAN CHOIR<br>STAFF<br>BETTER GET CRACKING<br>PLANETARY VAMPIRISM<br>TOO OLD<br>SUBMARINE<br>TWO MOONS<br>MERLIN'S TOMB<br>SPACE STATION<br>CLAIM THE STAFF<br>SHIP RISE<br>YOUR VOICE<br>SOLDIERS TAKE POSITION - BURTON DIES<br>FALL AND GRAB<br>ENDINGrumor has it Lorne Balfe did this score<br><br>I guess if we do not get any credits then that proves it
Any chance of proper artist credits for this score?@Hybrid <br><br>Did Tom actually record anything for the film or did he just do demos?It's the same 24 tracks divided on two CDs. I'm truly hoping for a nice numbered digipak that separates the limited editions from the regular release otherwise it would be quite a crappy move from the record label. <br><br>"Joss said, ĎLetís do it [Batmanís theme] on the nose. Fans love this kind of stuff.í" Why do you have to ruin everything, Joss?This film is atrocious. Suicide Squad was a mess but that film was forgivable. What WB decided to with JL is embarrassing, to say the least. Forcing Zack to change the tone and add forced childish humor and quips, demanding a less than 2-hour runtime, extensive reshoots with Whedon in charge... wtf were they thinking?<br><br>It's interesting to note that Zack hasn't even seen this abomination yet.
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  1. Every 27 Years (2:36)
  2. Paper Boat (1:55)
  3. Georgie, Meet Pennywise (3:38)
  4. Derry (2:24)
  5. River Chase (2:09)
  6. Egg Boy (2:44)
  7. Beverly (1:20)
  8. Come Join The Clown, Eds (1:20)
  9. You'll Float Too (3:20)
  10. Shape Shifter (1:42)
  11. Hockstetter Attack (2:15)
  12. Haircut (4:14)
  13. Derry History (2:48)
  14. January Embers (1:05)
  15. Saving Mike (1:15)
  16. This Is Not A Dream (2:08)
  17. Slideshow (2:01)
  18. Georgie's Theme (1:42)
  19. He Didn't Stutter Once (1:33)
  20. Neibolt Street (4:17)
  21. Time To Float (3:04)
  22. It's What It Wants (1:19)
  23. You'll Die If You Try (4:38)
  24. Return To Neibolt (2:31)
  25. Into The Well (2:05)
  26. Pennywise's Tower (1:48)
  27. Deadlights (2:04)
  28. Searching For Stanley (2:28)
  29. Saving Beverly (3:36)
  30. Georgie Found (1:53)
  31. Transformation (0:58)
  32. Feed On Your Fear (2:34)
  33. Welcome To The Losers Club (3:05)
  34. Yellow Raincoat (1:43)
  35. Blood Oath (3:11)
  36. Kiss (0:54)
  37. Every 27 Years (Reprise) (2:07)
  38. Epilogue - The Pennywise Dance (0:36)
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badbu reply Replies: 2 || 2017-10-23 07:52:16
Time To Float is sooo strong :-) And a nice Scene btw :-)


CT-11382017-10-23 09:37:10
Skarsgard really nailed that scene, it was the scene which made it clear how different his Pennywise is from Tim Curry's.


badbu2017-10-23 11:06:00
yeah!!! He was amazing!!! After Dunkrik the best movie in 2017 (for me)

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 3 || 2017-09-08 15:58:36
Finished with my first listen and I'm loving what I heard. Normally 80+ minutes tend to drag for me... not here. The music is consistently strong and Wallfisch is able to do something most horror composers fail at; keep the horror underscore interesting. I tend to normally get bored with horror scores when they pull the same tricks, but I found myself genuinely unnerved with the vocal effects he throws in.

As for the themes, while there are definitely no competitors for ACFW they all work extremely well. Especially when they allow for big moments of wonder or softer emotion. I'm really loving this one, not quite as much as Wellness but definitely in the same ballpark.


mpolonest123 2017-09-08 16:03:47
And am I crazy or is that Richard Bellis' theme from the miniseries in "Its What It Wants"?


Medigo2017-09-09 13:46:06
I like it'
but sweet god
dont listen to this with headphones


CT-11382017-10-22 23:34:29
mpolonest123 - definitely sounds like it might be inspired by it. I heard the "glockenspiel roll" employed by Bellis used in the track "Deadlights" as well. If these things are intentional nods, then it's pretty cool that the score at least acknowledges the past.

JBSO99 reply Replies: 1 || 2017-10-22 14:16:01
Does anyone know what tracks appear in the end credits of the movie (in case there is music, that I think it is). I think the credits open with Every 27 Years (Reprise), but I don't know what's next.
Thanks in advance for the help!


CT-11382017-10-22 23:32:47
I don't know if anybody stayed behind long enough to find out given that the only thing waiting at the end of the credits is one last Pennywise laugh and "IT: Chapter 1". I'd assume "Georgie's Theme" played next.

CT-1138 reply Replies: 5 || 2017-09-28 00:04:58
Pretty good score that fits the film very well (which, by the way, is a great film). I don't think the OST misses anything off of any significance... but it doesn't seem to be in chronological order either.

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Hybrid Soldier2017-09-28 00:23:45
Well Ben wrote more than a hundred cues for it ! Lots of very very short pieces... The OST has got everything needed indeed. As for chronlogical order, the second half is, but the first is kinda all over the place with lots of combined cues so hard to really place them, but here's what I came up with (if you don't want to start butchering every track lol) :

Every 27 Years (2:36)
Paper Boat (1:55)
Georgie, Meet Pennywise (3:38)
Derry (2:24)
Shape Shifter (1:42)
Egg Boy (2:44)
River Chase (2:09)
Hockstetter Attack (2:15)
Beverly (1:20)
Derry History (2:48)
Come Join The Clown, Eds (1:20)
Haircut (4:14)
You'll Float Too (3:20)
January Embers (1:05)
Saving Mike (1:15)
This Is Not A Dream (2:08)
Slideshow (2:01)
He Didn't Stutter Once (1:33)
Neibolt Street (4:17)
Time To Float (3:04)
It's What It Wants (1:19)
You'll Die If You Try (4:38)
Return To Neibolt (2:31)
Into The Well (2:05)
Pennywise's Tower (1:48)
The Pennywise Dance (0:36)
Deadlights (2:04)
Searching For Stanley (2:28)
Saving Beverly (3:36)
Georgie Found (1:53)
Transformation (0:58)
Feed On Your Fear (2:34)
Welcome To The Losers Club (3:05)
Yellow Raincoat (1:43)
Blood Oath (3:11)
Kiss (0:54)
Every 27 Years (Reprise) (2:07)
Georgie's Theme (1:42)

Aaaaand if you STILL want a super detailed breakdown of the beginning :

Every 27 Years
Paper Boat
Georgie, Meet Pennywise
Derry (0:20 to 1:02)
Derry (1:41 to end)
Derry (1:02 to 1:41)
Shape Shifter
Derry (0:00 to 0:21)
Egg Boy
River Chase
Hockstetter Attack
January Embers (0:00 to 0:25)
Haircut (0:00 to 0:51)
Beverly
Derry History
Come Join The Clown, Eds
Haircut (0:51 to end)
You'll Float Too
January Embers (0:25 to end)
Saving Mike
This Is Not A Dream
Slideshow
He Didn't Stutter Once (0:31 to end)
He Didn't Stutter Once (0:00 to 0:31)
21 Neibolt Street
Time To Float
It's What It Wants
You'll Die If You Try (0:51 to end)
You'll Die If You Try (0:00 to 0:51)
Return To Neibolt
Etc.


JBSO992017-09-28 09:21:45
Hundred cues! Wow! That's s lot of work on his part. I kind of like the horror pays but I would have love if he had created more tracks like Paper Boat, Beverly or Blood Oath, but I guess the movie didn't needed more. Also I hope will be brought back to score the second chapter so he can use some of his themes and develop them.

PS: Hybrid, thanks for the chrono tracklist!


CT-11382017-09-28 11:24:26
Thanks for the breakdown :)

It's nice to know the second half is in order, though I think "The Pennywise Dance" should go before "Deadlights" since it plays as Pennywise does the 'old man jig'.


Hybrid Soldier2017-09-28 11:58:54
That... is what I wrote ! lol


CT-11382017-09-28 12:02:54
Oops, you already chronologically placed "The Pennywise Dance"! My bad!

Waymann reply Replies: 0 || 2017-09-07 16:10:43
The samples sound great. Blood Oath's going be a favorite. Sounds like an emotional score.

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 1 || 2017-08-24 18:31:35
So excited for this!!!! :D

If it's anything on the same level as A Cure For Wellness then bring it on!


David2017-08-25 02:21:43
Me too! A Cure For Wellness was great!

Mikes reply Replies: 0 || 2017-08-25 00:39:04
Yawn

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