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I'm with Edmund in that I'd love for Hans to win more Oscars, but not this score. I feel like even Blade Runner 2049 is more deserving of an award than this. Sure, it works great in the film, but that shouldn't be reason enough for an Oscar. I feel like Desplat's nominated score is more deserving than this one. <br><br>"But this one has a unique sound and recording!"<br><br>Okay... a lot of scores have that. A lot of Zimmer's work has that. Doesn't make them all masterpieces.<br><br>"But we have to spite those evil reviewers who hate this score!"<br><br>Why do you let their opinion get in the way of your enjoyment? If you love it enough, the critics' opinions should only make you enjoy it more because you see something in it they don't. <br><br>I agree with George in that Hans needs to go back to a melodic sound. I don't think whether this score wins or not will change Hans' mind on that, but I do want his next Oscar winner to mean something other than, "Oh cool! I won this award because I made weird sounds!" (Which by the way, involves things like programming and a lot of other technical adjustments that have nothing to do with Hans' composing ability)."The thing that I'm proudest about Dunkirk is you can't separate it from the film."<br>- Hans Zimmer, GQI understand, but it does not make sense.<br>You're arguing that the score for a movie released in January this year was produced before of the score of a movie that went to theaters in July. If Balfe started working on "12 strong" a year before the movie release, the same can be said of Dunkirk. It is easy to infer that the Dunkirk's score has been working since the middle of 2016! Or even before, because of the tours that Zimmer has done.<br>The music/sound design, even being simple, was not made and recorded between January and May of last year.Olive  that is when it was announced !!! Not when he did itBalfe's hiring came out in May, when Dunkirk's production was already at the end. No contest.<br><br><br>filmmusicreporter.  com/ <br> 2017/05/24/lorne-balfe-to-score-horse-soldiers/
Hans finished the bulk of the score before he went on tour, you could find an interview where he himself says so. <br>Ben worked solely on Variation 15. <br>Scroll down on this page and you'll find the full cuesheet with the credits. <br>Edmund - how do you think Zimmer wrote Dunkirk when he was on a world tour !!!Congratulations to Ben, Lorne also .Edmund - the release dates do not matter . Check out Balfe’s Facebook page and you will see he was recording 12 Strong early last year .I've only heard the suite Hybrid made. The only similarity I was aware of is the siren-like sound. <br><br>People don't realize how difficult scoring Dunkirk was. Just because you love Interstellar (I do too - it's my favorite HZ score) but that doesn't mean Dunkirk doesn't deserve to win. <br>Edmund, in all honesty what are the similarities between 12 Strong and Dunkirk? I know both scores and fail to see how they connect.
Doesn't deserve an Oscar. Hans Zimmer is my favorite composer but if he didn't win for Interstellar, he shouldn't win for this. <br><br>I can seriously say that I object this score winning based on that principle. This winning over Interstellar just isn't right.Well, the credits say that Supermarine or the oil are pure Zimmer, and also the 3 first track I think. So Balfe helped him to develop some ideas during his tour but the majority of the score is Hans' work.<br>And it does deserve an Oscar. I never heard a score like that.. If you have a problem with the score I think it comes from the script. A classical melodical music wouldn t work for this film i think.Source? I find that hard to believe considering the release dates. Even if it is true, Balfe might have been concurrently working on Dunkirk and brought over some of the ideas. I find it spectacularly improbably that he and Hans just HAPPENED to come up with the same ideas at the same time.Edmund - gets you facts right please . 12 Strong was written before DunkirkHere's an interesting opinion: I want Hans to win this one so that he DOESN'T continue making music like this. Sure its functional, but if he could reinvent the melodic score again and get back to writing memorable melodies I'd be pretty happy. He won for Lion King and then essentially abandoned that tone of music which transitioned into the Crimson Tide/The Rock sound... so maybe, just maybe, if he wins this year he'll completely reinvent his sound again and give us something both melodically memorable but also be a total game changer in terms of modern scores.
I hope it doesn't win if for no other reason than so we don't have to go through 5 years of Dunkirk temp tracks (although if 12 Strong is anything to go by, too late).@Ahmad i only need "The Oil (Film Version)" :D Then i'll be happy :D*That was a thumbs up but it didn't work :D<br><br>^This how I feel lol.I hope Dunkirk wins just to make the so-called "reviewers" and those who say it isn't music, more frustrated and annoyed.@badbu &#128077;<br><br>I honestly don't know how a complete score is going to work. They weren't kidding when they said the music is done like one long track. <br><br>What I understood from a Q&A with Nolan is that they didn't do it the usual way which means there are cues that are cut together / exist as segments. This was done in a different way where to create such cues, they used automation graphs to bring the layers in and out. Very complex. <br><br>One of the reasons why I think this deserves to win so many awards.
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MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 1 || 2017-06-19 16:16:07
And how you know that?


Waymann2017-06-19 16:43:45
Scroll down and look for the post by Bayhem.

George reply Replies: 1 || 2017-06-19 15:56:31
So does anyone know if the score will be released this week with the movie, or are we gonna have to wait a few weeks like with every other Transformers score?


Waymann2017-06-19 16:01:08
As Steve Jablonsky stated, the score has no release date yet but will be available around 2 weeks after the movie has been released.

Bayhem reply Replies: 17 || 2017-06-09 10:18:44
I'm really looking forward to this score, but there's one thing that kinda bugs me....I love what Steve and crew are doing with the "Transformers" scores but man, I really do miss the "heavenly choir" and all the chants/voices from the first two movies. You know, the MV/RC sound we all love. I'm listening to the "Revenge of the Fallen" score now, and all the choir parts, chants, the vocals by Lisbeth Scott, it's all absolutely stunning. Beautiful and powerful. They should've used more from the first two movies, that's what I think. Not repeating the same themes of course, but keeping the style, while still trying some new stuff. I like the "Age of Extinction" and "Dark of the Moon" scores, but if I have to choose I would definitely go with the first "Transformers" and "Revenge of the Fallen". Much more layered, much more powerful scores. Kind of ironic, since Steve said that he didn't have enough time for "Revenge of the Fallen"... Anyway, let's hope for at least some small parts with choir and vocals in "The Last Knight" score...


mpolonest1232017-06-10 23:45:11
I fully agree, but you do have to take into account that each score uses a different template based off of whatever musical trend (more often than not what Zimmer previously did).

The first Transformers had a lot of King Arthur/Batman Begins influence with the chord progressions and use of choir. RotF definitely borrowed some A&D/Gladiator, DoTM was TDK/Inception, and AoE had elements from MoS mixed with the whole "incorporate a band to write a theme or two" approach.

To your point though, nothing tops the first two scores in terms of dynamic themes and writing. At the end of the day it all comes down to whatever Bay wants, or whatever temp track they end up using.


Edmund Meinerts2017-06-11 00:20:31
The Transformers scores are, for better or for worse, consistently a reflection of whatever Hans (or other RCP) scores and trends came out the two or three years before it and were super popular on temp tracks at the time. mpolonest, you nailed it with the first four... so for this one, I'd expect to hear a lot of Mad Max (that descending ostinato is EVERYWHERE right now...Turtles 2, Moana, Lego Batman, Guardians 2, Pirates 5, it's the most pervasive temp track since probably "Time") mixed with maybe some more Man of Steel/Batman v Superman drums and a few customary Horns of Doom (although those have been waning lately, thank God; I guess that trend is finally, slowly running its course).

Of course, with the King Arthur storyline this time around, I am hoping that gives Jablonsky the chance to go back to the more melodic and, well, King Arthur-like approach from the first score. :)


Ds2017-06-11 02:18:24
Edmund, which descending ostinato are you speaking about? I'm curious because I never noticed any Mad Max influence in all the scores you listed here. Do you have examples of specific tracks? :-p


Optimus Prime2017-06-11 03:54:55
h t t p s://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6KCRcR0uIM


Ando2017-06-11 09:16:15
I think Edmund gets confused with the descending line . It existed prior to Mad Max. It was in such score as Megamind, Predator and most Rock and Roll Songs !!!!!


Everan2017-06-11 20:38:22
What Edmund said, but we are getting some really amazing strings around too, and the choir is back. The trailer music that ends with Prime cutting off heads is most likely part of the score, and what Optimus posted is very likely as well.

I'm getting excited as the days roll by, anticipating those samples really soon now.


Bayhem2017-06-13 15:01:39
mpolonest123, good points and I agree. And yes, at the end of the day it is what Bay wants. I'm glad that he and Jablonsky are willing to experiment with different sounds and themes, but I guess I'm just one of those people who still want to hear the classic MV/RC sound. That heavy, choir-filled, dynamic, epic sound that we got in "The Island", "The Peacemaker", "The Rock" and "Transformers 1". Guess I'm just old school and the new scores sound too electronic and artificial to me. But it doesn't mean that I hate them. That's just what happens when a person loves the classic MV/RC sound a bit too much : ))


mpolonest123 2017-06-13 18:29:13
@Bayhem Nothing wrong with loving the older scores too much, nothing tops that old school electric guitar/keyboarded/testosterone anthem approach. They were definitely a product of their time however. You would hear see something like Drop Zone or Armageddon nowadays.

That being said, I'm personally glad to see that music (both score and song-wise) has evolved the way it has. Everybody loves Hans in 'Crimson Tide/Peacemaker' mode but if he continuously wrote in that style it would get old... Fast.
We are currently in Tom Holkenborg era where sound design and traditional scoring are becoming more intertwined and experimentation is definitely more popular, which I actually think is great.

And who knows, just like how 80's style music is making a big resurgence we might see some throwbacks in the future if the demand is there. The most important thing is that music keeps changing and allowing for new ideas and voices to come onto the scene. As for this score in particular, I personally would like to see something fresh that doesn't completely neglect its roots like Dark of the Moon or Age of Extinction both did.


Edmund Meinerts2017-06-14 01:36:32
Yeah...I know that kind of descending ostinato line was not exactly invented by JXL for Mad Max. But neither were low brass notes invented for Inception. And yet you just know that every Horn of Doom/BWAAAAAMMMM that you heard in a movie or trailer for the next seven years was probably directly inspired by it, it's just one of those things that really caught on. And right now it's that Mad Max string line - I think it's happening too often, and the score/movie was too popular, for it to be a coincidence. For reference, what I'm referring to is at 0:19 of the extended version of "Brothers in Arms" from MM:FR (among other places).

TMNT: Out of the Shadows has it in "Casey Jones" (this is the most clearly "temped" of the lot, the electronics from the beginning are really similar too, and the ostinato comes at around 0:47).

Moana has it in "Kakamora" at 1:20, it's only very briefly in this one, but considering how much the *scene* this cue accompanies owes to Mad Max I doubt it's a coincidence :p

Guardians 2 has it in "vs the Abilisk" and "Kraglin vs Drax", both from the very beginning.

Lego Batman has it in a few places, "Joker Crashes the Party" at 1:00 is maybe the most obvious.

Pirates 5 has it in "Kill the Sparrow" at 1:15.


Ds2017-06-14 19:09:36
Thanks Edmund, all I can say is you have an incredible musical ear because I never noticed anything :-D
Not that I know these scores very well in their entirety, I must say.
Yeah I think we can be there'll be some Mad Max influence in TF5. Actually it was already the case in TF4, except we called it "MoS influence" at the time. In fact it's just "JXL influence" :-p


Bayhem2017-06-15 20:49:33
mpolonest123 - to be completely honest, I'm still not on the "Holkenborg fan-train" and if there's a vote for the guy who would lead and represent MV/RC in the future, my vote would go to Jablonsky. I'm one of those people who - ever since 2007 - think that he is the "new Hans Zimmer". Having said that, I really enjoyed parts of Holkenborg's Mad Max score. Some parts of Deadpool as well. But I guess he's too much of an experimental guy for me. Of course, I'm not as familiar as you are with him, and if I listen to some of his other scores maybe I would change my mind. I'm glad that he gets to score big movies, but on the other hand I'm worried about him, because maybe he got into the "big composer league" a little too quickly, and I would hate to see him become another Klaus Badelt. And I'm saying that as a huge fan of Badelt. Unfortunately, he - though still working on smaller and some B-movies - is not in the "big league" anymore, which is a damn shame. Badelt got famous pretty quickly during the Time Machine and Pirates 1 days, and just as quickly he fell of the radar (it was around Poseidon). I hope that doesn't happen to Holkenborg. And...I still REALLY hope for another "big movie score" from Badelt. As for the TF5 score - from the small bits I've heard on Jablonsky's YouTube channel, I get the feeling that it will be closer to the TF3 score. Not bad, but honestly I would have preferred a sound closer to TF2. But hey, that's just me. My opinion : )


mpolonest123 2017-06-15 22:34:50
@Bayhem
if you want to hear JXL outside of his usual comfort zone definitely take a listen to both Divergent and Black Mass (and maybe parts of Brimstone, such as; "Genesis", "Liz", "The Reverend", "Exodus", and "Watching Over Me") The biggest issue with him isn't his lack of talent as everyone seems to think, but what producers keep hiring to write which is that Mad Max/300 sound which is trending. Even the "Run All Night Sketchbook" shows more variety in style than some shit like Deadpool.

As far as composers who compare with Zimmer, I would easily put Lorne Balfe at the top of my list (and as far as writing great themes on his level; Trevor Rabin ftw)
Steve Jablonsky is certainly talented, but my number one gripe with him is that most of his music seems to borrow heavily from outside sources. Which isn't to say I don't like it, but scores like Gangster Squad, Enders Game, and the TF series wear their "inspirations" on their sleeves.


Petras7912017-06-16 00:18:20
Totally agree with you that Balfe is the best to come
From the Zimmer camp. His melodies are fantastic


James2017-06-16 00:23:38
One guy who plays well with old MTV times is Rupert Gregson Williams (WW, Hacksaw Ridge ...). Balfe, Jablonsky and XL have *different* voices even comparing with Zimmer. And that's a good thing.


Andreas2017-06-16 07:09:25
Balfe had the most memorable tunes. His assassins creed is fantastic .


Bayhem2017-06-16 08:55:44
mpolonest123 - thanks for the recommendations. I would definitely check these scores out. I totally forgot that he did Black Mass, though I remember enjoying the music while watching the movie itself.

As for Lorne Balfe, I'm also a fan of the guy, so I definitely understand why he's on top of your list. After all, he's been involved in some of the biggest Zimmer scores and like any good student he gradually kept on climbing the ladder. He didn't just pop out of nowhere. He had more than enough time to master his craft and I was happy when Bay hired him to score 13 Hours.

You're not wrong about Jablonsky and even though I'm a huge fan of the guy I don't deny that sometimes he "borrows" from other sources. But I would argue that it happens mostly on some of his bigger scores. Kind of like Holkeborg, Jablonsky really shows his talent outside of his comfort zone, in smaller movies, videogames and TV shows. Examples are his work on Desperate Housewives, Steamboy, Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars, some bits of The Hitcher, and my personal favorite Pain and Gain. IMO, these scores prove that the guy has a voice of his own and that he can definitely offer more than just huge, bombastic scores. By the way, an interesting observation: Balfe did some addition scoring on the first two Transformers films, which happen to be my favorite scores of the frachise. Maybe Jablonsky needs to team up with Balfe again : )


Andrew2017-06-16 18:18:10
I totally agree . Balfe came out of no where and then he is doing everything . It's great following his career . His music is the strongest from RCP since John Powell. Home and Lego Batman blew me away .

Bayhem reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-13 14:45:54
Jablonsky on social media: "Don't have an official release date yet but it (the score) is currently sitting on my desktop &#128540;"


My guess is, they will release it a week or two after the movie starts rolling. Waiting, waiting...

Mehmetcan reply Replies: 1 || 2017-06-11 09:28:48
Hi there :) Which ones are Blake's composed Themes for the movie "The Da Vinci Code"?


James D.2017-06-11 14:58:38
Does not matter. Just kidding. Search your site somewhere on Google. If there's nothing there ... There's no way to tell. And leave that question for the Da Vince Code topic.

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-10 22:38:54
The last poster confirm it... La La Land Records and Paramount Music

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 8 || 2017-06-06 21:50:58
Well then I guess it's time to add this ?


MrZimmerFan2017-06-06 23:27:59
Imdb says the conductor is James T. Sale, not NGS

Weird


Joshua2017-06-06 23:34:36
YES!!!! &#128077; My #2 most anticipated score this year only behind Dunkirk.


Evenstar2017-06-07 15:37:57
Thank you La-La Land Records!!!


Everan2017-06-07 15:57:39
OH GOD YES YES YES THANK YOU!!
I hope it comes out on the US premiere date instead of the Mexico one (July 23)


Ds2017-06-07 18:39:25
Yes the US premiere is Wednesday 21 June, it's only in 2 weeks! <:o)


Zimson2017-06-07 19:10:35
Anyone can write on IMDB. It's a bit like wikipedia.


Luis2017-06-08 09:30:05
Hybrid, do you actually work for Hans?


Evenstar2017-06-08 11:29:02
MV from LLL kinda announced it in the FSM Forum. ;-)

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