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Budapest, please :(Same question here, is concert in Poland even concidered to occur?if the link doesn't work for some reason, the song is called Cliffhanger Sky High on youtubeHi All, sorry it took so long to upload, My friend helped me set up a youtube channel to upload tracks to. I am very inspired by the classic Zimmer Scores of the 90's. I envisioned A climactic rescue aboard A speeding train for this particular cue.<br>https://youtu.be/4WyMIcpqMRk <br>I avoided bringing up the TF films in this thread until AFTER you dragged them into it.<br>===============<br><br>No one dragged anything. <br><br>I briefly mentioned that franchise, among many other things you conveniently ignored (you do that a lot), to prove a simple point: that a director doesn't get to make 5 movies from the same franchise if people aren't enjoying his work. Simple as that. I never talked about the "quality" of each of those movies. Go see the comment again.<br><br>YOU picked up on this and started talking obsessively about the TF. <br><br><br>==============<br>Going after every person that doesn't like Bay and trying to obsessively "debunk" them is psychotic, yes. <br>==============<br><br>Look at your first comment here, pal. Look at it good! Snarky, dismissive, almost trollish, and with a clear intention to provoke people. Let me quote it: "Another day, another Bay film that doesn't know what fun is." <br><br>I only "go after" people who can't share their opinions in a respectful, mature way. There are a lot of comments here I disagreed with. But I never confronted those people. Why? Because they know how to properly share an opinion. <br><br>I only go after people who provoke, make fun of someone/something and troll. I've never "attacked" a person who didn't deserve that kind of response. My post history here speaks for itself. <br><br><br>===================<br>And constantly referring to other people's opinions and whinging about the box office doesn't make you objective, especially with how self-contradictory the latter has been.<br>===================<br><br>Nope. Not even close. <br><br>You're just bitter that I'm using quotes from proven, talented people like Spielberg who support Bay. What quotes can your side use? Just quotes from knucklehead film bloggers and critics who hate half of what Hollywood makes. <br><br>No one with an actual integrity and knowledge of the film business can dismiss what Bay has accomplished. You may not like his stuff, but to completely dismiss him as a filmmaker is.......moronic. Truth is, it's only small fries on the internet who are angry that their favorite mid-level directors aren't as big and successful as Bay.<br><br>That's really the bottom line. <br><br>Speaking of that, who is YOUR favorite filmmaker? Go ahead, share it with us. Let's see who is that PERFECT filmmaker you drool over.<br><br>I'm really curious.<br><br>==============<br>By your own "objective" reasoning, this would make them his worst films. But you don't acknowledge that, because you don't actually care about objectivity.<br>==============<br><br>Huh??<br><br>When did I said that box office success or box office failure means that a movie is good or bad?? I never that. So if you don't mind, stop putting words in my mouth.<br><br>Thank you. <br><br><br>==================<br>You care about faking it when it suits you, and chucking it when it doesn't<br>==================<br><br><br>Kinda ironic coming from the person who ignored the majority of the stuff I said here. Careful cherry-picking, convenient ignoring of stuff, and putting words in my mouth is apparently what you like to do. <br><br><br>================<br>What do you mean "next time?" Your first reply here was calling my opinion a joke.<br>================<br><br>Uhhhh, that's because it IS a joke. Because it is not true and because it was posted with the clear intention to provoke. You are the Negative Nancy here, my friend. Not me. Jesus Christ, even your nickname tells people exactly what they can expect from you......"Cynical Makooti". <br><br><br>====================<br>I didn't insult you for anything other than lying to win an argument<br>====================<br><br>Oh, that's true....................you're certainly not winning this argument. I mean, that's obvious. <br><br>And..... I never posted a lie. Just because "your sources" claim something different doesn't mean it's the truth. Pacific Rim wasn't a success - considering the huge expactations and the fact that the movie's budget is $200 freakin' million - and they DID try to start a franchise with 300. They failed. <br><br><br>================<br>Your lack of self-awareness is astounding.<br>================<br><br>That's rich. Coming from the guy who calls himself "Cynical Makooti". The guy who now plays the victim, even though he was the one who started this with a childish, trollish comment. <br><br>Look at my first reply to you. I was jokingly mimicking your style. Intentionally. Then you tried to be a smartass with your next reply. But EVEN THEN, I responded in a normal way with my second post. After that........you unleashed your true self. <br><br>And now, you're acting like the victim: "Poor me, being attacked by a crazy Bay fan!" <br><br>So please, don't talk about self-awareness. It ain't working.<br><br><br><br>================<br>Pacific Rim was a domestic bomb that turned things around with its international box office.<br>================<br><br>Haha, maybe you should read more Forbes. Take a look at what they said about the entire (already failed) Pac Rim universe. Read a bit more on how much money the studio lost from the first flick and why they actually went with a sequel. It ain't because the first one was a beloved hit. <br><br><br>=======<br>The Last Knight lost about $100M according to Paramount themselves. That doesn't sound like an international success to me.<br>=======<br><br>Okay, I believe you. Now, would you please share the link to that statement from Paramount. <br><br>Thank you. <br><br><br>=============<br>Maybe it does to you, but I can't speak for that little fantasy world you seem to be living in right now.<br>=============<br><br>Hey, it's certainly a better and more reasonable place than your world. A world where you completely dismiss and ignore the accomplishments of one of the biggest filmmakers out there.<br><br>What's your next claim? <br><br>That Donnie Trump is the best President in history?<br><br><br>Have a nice day!
Do any of you think that Junkie's Justice League score will ever get released or leaked? I was really excited to hear how Junkie planned on developing the themes used in the prior DCEU movies. Especially the Batman themes from BVS. It's a damn shame how WB handled that film."Why do Bay naysayers pretend that Bay only directs TF movies? It's very interesting...... Pretty much all complaints against Bay are connected to the TF movies.<br><br>Newsflash: Bay was a proven and very successful action filmmaker wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before TF1."<br><br>Newsflash: I avoided bringing up the TF films in this thread until AFTER you dragged them into it.  Only then did I treat them as fair game.  Considering they make up a third of his filmography, I don't see why I SHOULDN'T address them.  How convenient is it that bringing them up is only ever valid when YOU do it?<br><br>More to the point, I already said I thought his decline kicked in from Pearl Harbor onwards.  The TF films are just his rock bottom.<br><br>"So let me get this straight: trying to be as objective as possible, in a non-threating way, quoting people who actually know what they're talking about and certainly not treating my opinion as fact, makes me......psychotic."<br><br>Going after every person that doesn't like Bay and trying to obsessively "debunk" them is psychotic, yes.  And constantly referring to other people's opinions and whinging about the box office doesn't make you objective, especially with how self-contradictory the latter has been.<br><br>Pain & Gain and 13 Hours, his supposedly best films, also have his lowest box office turnouts.  13 Hours was a flat-out bomb.  By your own "objective" reasoning, this would make them his worst films.  But you don't acknowledge that, because you don't actually care about objectivity.<br><br>You care about faking it when it suits you, and chucking it when it doesn't.<br><br>"Next time, I'll just act like a complete jerk, insulting everyone and everything."<br><br>What do you mean "next time?"  Your first reply here was calling my opinion a joke.  You already have this method down.  You're just too dishonest to admit it.<br><br>Notice how I avoided accusing you of anything until AFTER you started outright lying about movies and flaunting it as objective fact.<br><br>You insulted ME first, pal.  I didn't insult you for anything other than lying to win an argument.  Not for your opinions, not for your celebrity crush, for being a disingenuous twat. <br><br>Your lack of self-awareness is astounding.<br><br>"Reviews, RT scores, and crappy film blog "think pieces" are also not proof of quality."<br><br>Then it's a good thing I never quoted a single one of those, let alone as objective proof, isn't it?<br><br>Man, appeal to authority, appeal to popularity, mistaking correlation for causation, slothful induction, strawmanning, I could make a bingo game outta this.<br><br>"So that flick, according to you, turned a profit.......but TLK - budget of also $200 million and with a worldwide gross of $605 million..........is a bomb?"<br><br>Not "according to me."  According to the studios that make the actual films.  And Forbes.  Remember Forbes?  You considered their word inarguable fact a couple posts ago.<br><br>https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2013/09/02/pacif ic-rim-and-more-domestic-flops-that-became-global-hits/#3f3e 914d7c18<br><br>Well whaddaya know?<br><br>Pacific Rim was a domestic bomb that turned things around with its international box office.<br><br>That thing you said TF5 was but actually wasn't.<br><br>The Last Knight lost about $100M according to Paramount themselves.  That doesn't sound like an international success to me.<br><br>Maybe it does to you, but I can't speak for that little fantasy world you seem to be living in right now.<br><br>Wow!  Just wow!ThxSeville, The Bait, Ambrose Welcomes Nyah, Chimera Myth, Beach Fight, Ambrose Dies.Can we stop? I agree with the other guy more in his points, but it's clear that this is gonna keep going nowhere if you're gonna be so overly defensive about something that you claim is merely subjective.
But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br>======================<br><br><br>Why do Bay naysayers pretend that Bay only directs TF movies? It's very interesting...... Pretty much all complaints against Bay are connected to the TF movies.<br><br>Newsflash: Bay was a proven and very successful action filmmaker wayyyyyyyyyyyyy before TF1. <br><br>So no, "challenging the viewer" is not about Transformers. You chose to focus on these movies. Not me. I was actually reffering to Bay movies like The Island and especially Pain and Gain. <br><br>But I guess you like to talk only about Transformers.....Good for you. But that's not how a discussion works. <br><br><br>===================<br>Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact. I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here. It's psychotic.<br>===================<br><br><br>So let me get this straight: trying to be as objective as possible, in a non-threating way, quoting people who actually know what they're talking about and certainly not treating my opinion as fact, makes me......psychotic? <br><br>Wow! Just wow!<br><br>Next time, I'll just act like a complete jerk, insulting everyone and everything. For you, that is apparently the normal behavior.<br><br><br>======<br>Bad movies make money. Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.<br>=======<br><br>Reviews, RT scores, and crappy film blog "think pieces" are also not proof of quality. Also, a "bad" movie to you is the greatest movie for the guy walking next to you on the street. As Kevin Smith said: "Every movie is someone's favorite movie". <br><br>Let's try to keep that in mind.<br><br><br>============<br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br>============<br><br>Really?<br><br>Then what do you have to say about Pacific Rim 1. I present to you.......the pure numbers:<br><br>Budget: $200 million. And that doesn't include the marketing cost.<br>Worldwide gross: $411,002,906<br><br>So that flick, according to you, turned a profit.......but TLK - budget of also $200 million and with a worldwide gross of $605 million..........is a bomb?<br><br>Wow! Just.....wow!Yeah lol back then only Harold was confirmed.Can you tell me a names of cues, that was been on Klaus website?Formality indeed. Complicated ! lol<br><br>You can bet Blake Neely didn't need anyone to "write" those 10 seconds !! lolI always found these credits to be a bit confusing. Klaus Badelt is credited on almost every cue, even when his themes don't appear and another additional composer is credited as well. I thought maybe it was just a formality that Zimmer and Badelt were credited everywhere (I mean, how much could they be involved on a cue like "Welcome to the Caribbean"?), but then "No real ship" and "Sword Fight Pt. 2" have no Badelt for some reason. Does someone know a bit more about this?
well the composer confirmed he is working on it to be released very soon<br>"It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain."<br><br>I didn't think it was possible for a Bay fan of all people to be this insufferably pretentious.<br><br>I thought that was more Snyder fanboy territory.<br><br>But here we are, calling dog-humping, Decepticon testicles, and mommy-on-pot-brownies "challenging the viewer."<br><br>Kudos, man.  Kudos.<br><br>You can hide behind however many fallacies you want.  If "Not to me" and "You do you" didn't give it away early on in this thread, I DIDN'T try to treat my opinions as fact.<br><br>But that doesn't mean I'm going to add a little "IMO" at the end of every goddamn sentence just to coddle you. <br><br>On the flip-side, consistently making appeals to authority and popularity, "B-b-but Spielberg said!", "B-b-but the Forbes poll said!" don't make you objective.<br><br>Y'know, it's funny.  When I listed off better blockbuster examples, you could've very easily just argued against them on the level of the films themselves, and everything would've been fine.<br><br>Sure, you would've just claimed you can't see the action at night sooner, which is rich when you praise the film series that puts the subjects of its action scenes OUT OF FOCUS every other shot, but hey, that's just honest opinions versus honest opinions.<br><br>But using two belated half-assed sequels from different, less talented directors that lost most of the appeal of the first movies, as some sorta litmus test for how well-liked the first movies were, is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever heard.  That's not objectivity, that's not even confusing correlation with causation, that's saying 1+2=4.<br><br>That's the real joke here.  Instead of accepting that your love of Bay is nothing more than a opinion, just as my claim that he misses the point of what makes action movies fun is, you turn into an overly-defensive nut, desperately quoting every opinion piece under the sun to pretend your opinion is some statistically-backed fact.  I've seen you do this every time someone talks shit about Bay around here.  It's psychotic.<br><br>Bad movies make money.  Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that's not proof of quality.  But if that's the kinda road you wanna go down, I guess movies like Avatar, The Force Awakens, or all the Avengers movies, are "objectively" better movies in every conceivable way than anything Bay has made in his entire career.  I mean, CLEARLY those films must have a bolder style and push more boundaries.<br><br>Why else would more people watch and rewatch them, right?<br><br>Reasonable causation is for those goshdarn geek journos.<br><br>And by the way, The Last Knight lost money.  Period.  Almost 100M according to Paramount themselves.<br><br>That's not just a domestic bomb, that's a bomb altogether.<br><br>Have a nice day.Siding with the guy that lied through his teeth to feign objectivity seems like a bad call.<br>==================<br><br>Kinda ironic, coming from you....but I'll take it as a compliment. Thank you! <br><br>And yes, he sides with me because what I say is common sense. For whatever reason, you have these strong negative feelings toward Bay films and those feelings blind you to some pretty obvious truths. <br><br>Have to say tho - for a 'hater' you sure know A LOT about him, his style and his movies. <br><br>Just admit it - you are a huge Bay fan but you just want to score some points with the snobbish internet crowd. <br><br><br><br>============<br>In any case, modern Bay and Snyder don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Fury Road.<br>============<br><br>Oh, you're one of THOSE people......"Fury Roaaaaaaaaad is DA BEST FILM EVAAAAAAAA".<br><br>Let me guess: you also think that Nolan is the greatest director/person of all time. On par with Jesus himself. <br><br><br><br>==========<br>What DOES matter is scripts with razor focus, sharp pacing, witty and/or charming humor (if it wants humor, that is), and characters likable enough to carry us through the narrative.<br>==========<br><br>Which is what Transformers 1 is. <br><br>Which is why the movie connected with audiences. It was - at its heart - a story about a boy and his car. Even the most jaded critics enjoyed that aspect.<br><br><br>=============<br>And again, the likes of Pacific Rim, or 300, or the first Pirates of the Caribbean, or the first Kingsmen, or John Wick, or most Guy Ritchie films, or the better fourth of superhero films, illustrate that Bay and Snyder have no excuse.<br>=============<br><br>Excuse? For what?<br><br>My friend, you do realize that Bay in particular is one of the most powerful and successful filmmakers of all time, right? He is the second highest-grossing director of all time (domestically), only behind Spielberg. You can dismiss box office success all you want but you don't get to where Bay is if you're not good at your job. <br><br>Snyder is nowhere near Bay, in terms of success and influence. Personally, I don't care much about him. <br><br><br>P.S. Guy Ritchie (and Edgar Wright) are huge Bay fans. Ask yourself why. <br><br><br>===============<br>They just aren't very good filmmakers on the whole<br>===============<br><br>Your opinion.<br><br>I disagree.Bay walks the lines between being self-serious and comical, but his films aren't well=written enough to serve the former, or witty enough to serve the latter, and the end-result is droll and annoying.<br>====================<br><br>You sure you're not a "writer" for one of those ridiculous geek sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Slash Film? Because you sound a lot like one of those "beloved" writers. <br><br>Anyway......Yes, Bay's movies always walk that line but whether that works or not is........Yes! a matter of opinion. For me, Pain and Gain is one of the best modern satires while for you it is - I'm guessing - "droll and annoying".<br><br>It's funny tho......people always complain how Hollywood plays it safe and how movies don't take chances..........but when a movie with tonal shifts that challenge the viewer and offer something bold shows up, people bitch and complain. <br><br>Some of you folks are indeed very hard to please. <br><br><br>===============<br>The first POTC earns it. The Bad Boys 2 doesn't. Infinity War earns it. TF 1/2/3/4/5 doesn't.<br>==============<br><br>Okay, now that statement is the best joke of the year! Thank you for the good laugh! Really! Oh, and I've definitely argued with you before, my friend. You are clearly one of those ten Bay haters from the IMDb forums who claim to hate everything the man does, yet they have seen EVERYTHING he had done. Why is that, I wonder?<br><br><br>===========<br>Fitting, as Synder and Bay are cut from a very similar cloth. Difference is, unless we're talking Man of Steel, I'd sooner rely on Snyder for consistently good action sequences<br>===========<br><br>Well, I would trust Spielberg on this. Because it was Spielberg who said, and I quote: "Michael (Bay) is one of the greatest action directors. He has the best eye in Hollywood." Spielberg works with a lot of directors. But he never said anything like that about any other director. So clearly he means what he says about Bay. And....you know......unlike most people, Speilberg actually knows a thing or two about filmmaking. <br><br><br>================<br>300 didn't try to start a franchise. It was a one-off adaptation of a graphic novel in the same vein as Sin City, and was successful. They tried to make a cash-grab sequel almost a decade later, without Snyder, and it failed. That's hardly the first film's fault.<br>================<br><br>It is a clear proof that people weren't that excited to visit this world again. And mind you, that happened with the first sequel! Talk about a one-time thing, huh?<br><br>At the same time, Bay made FOUR Transformers movies - with different casts - before there were any signs of audience fatigue. <br><br>That speaks for itself.<br><br>===========<br>Pacific Rim suffered from lackluster marketing, and yet still managed to turn a profit and attract a strong following.<br>==========<br><br>Excuses, excuses, excuses.....So you can display all the excuses in the world for Pac Rim but when it comes to Transformers, you don't accept anything. <br><br>Double standard much?<br><br>P.S. That "strong following" is on the internet. The same following that was supposed to make Scott Pillgrim a huge hit. Everyone knows that internet hype is not real-world hype. I know very well the type of people who act as if Pac Rim is the best thing since sliced bread. Total geeks who are angry that Transformers is much more popular and much more successful than Del Toro's "let's shoot all the robot fights in pitch black so audiences can't see shit" movie.  <br><br>Also, let's not pretend that Pac Rim is a universally beloved film. You know very well that there are A LOT of detractors as well. That's what you get when people can't tell what's going on during the movie because you shot it all at night. Just like that Godzilla movie. <br><br><br>============<br>Versus something like Transformers, which has piggybacked on an established IP, relentless marketing campaigns and tie-ins, and a fairly consistent release schedule. And even then, recycling the same bullshit eventually took its toll.<br>============<br><br><br>Wrong.<br><br>Do you read Forbes? You should. Because it's a place where objective people write. It ain't a stupid militant film geek site like Ain't it Cool News or Screen Rant.<br><br>Forbes published multiple articles explaining in great detail why the Transformers movies were successful EXACTLY because they were directed by Bay. Whether you like it or not, my friend, Bay is a brand. He is an auteur. There were multiple polls before the first two Transformers movies and Bay being the director was one of the main reasons for people to watch the movies. <br><br>But I guess you missed all of that, huh?<br><br>How convenient.<br><br><br>==============<br>Friendly reminder that AoE also relied on China (more pathetically then even Pacific Rim did) to compensate for diminishing domestic returns. To say nothing of TLK outright bombing.<br>==============<br><br>First: according to ACTUAL real data, the only TF movie that was saved by China is.......Bumblebee! Yeah, you better believe it. Go to Deadline and Forbes and read it for yourself.<br><br>Second: TLK bombed domestically, yes. <br>But not internationally. No one with actual knowledge of the situation refers to that movie as an international "bomb". Besides, there were 4 super successful TF movies before TLK. So Bay got nothing to prove. He already created one of the biggfest film franchises in history. <br><br>How many directors can say that?<br><br><br><br>==================<br>I know you like debunking Bay naysayers with "facts and logic," but it helps to not be grossly disingenuous while doing it<br>==================<br><br><br>Goes both ways, my friend. But unlike most naysayers, I don't treat my own personal opinions as facts. And if I'm being "disingenuous" then I don't even know what to say about some Bay haters who refuse to accept even the most obvious facts and truths.nope
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Dunkirk
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  1. The Mole (5:35)
    Hans Zimmer (Sir Edward Elgar)
  2. We Need Our Army Back (6:28)
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  3. Shivering Soldier (2:52)
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  4. Supermarine (8:03)
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  5. The Tide (3:48)
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  6. Regimental Brothers (5:04)
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  8. Home (6:02)
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  9. The Oil (6:10)
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  10. Variation 15 (Dunkirk) (5:51)
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  11. End Titles (Dunkirk) (7:12)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Benjamin Wallfisch (Sir Edward Elgar)
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nvictor reply Replies: 2 || 2019-09-28 14:37:33
the best end titles of all end titles :)


Edmund Meinerts2019-09-30 00:12:32
Uh. Well. That's certainly...an opinion.


Der Profl2019-09-30 23:35:20
It is my opinion as well, but I would say "one of the best" to be precise.

Mr.Unbreakable reply Replies: 0 || 2019-08-26 04:46:44
Do we know if Lorne Balfe will be involved in Dune? Maybe he could compose the Dune series

bob reply Replies: 1 || 2019-07-16 19:41:52
We got the answer from Hans:
theplaylist.net/hans-zimmer-dune-christopher-nolan-20190716/

Hopefully they collaborate again


Mephariel2019-07-17 05:48:32
Yeah I am glad there is no falling out.

manny manfred reply Replies: 1 || 2019-05-27 11:56:02
Has a complete/expanded score been leaked?


Anonymous2019-05-27 13:14:19
No. People jyust like to talk in this thread about everything not related to Dunkirk.

Mr.Unbreakable reply Replies: 4 || 2019-05-23 15:45:05
Bob,The Training is basically Ramin Djawadi and Mr.Charles is Balfe


Michael Baker2019-05-23 16:25:14
Not as simply as that.... Training is Ramin's arrangement of a Hans theme, and the core of Mr. Charles when the Fischer theme isn't playing is a Hans idea, too, as far as I know. Take the Zimmer out and those moments wouldn't be the same.


Mr.Unbreakable2019-05-23 22:44:24
Hybrid confirmed that training is composed by Ramin and Hans and it is obvious that Ramin's influence is superior to that of Hans.


Mr.Unbreakable2019-05-23 22:50:05
Lorne also confirmed that he took charge of Mr.Charles, and without saying that Lorne was on the good side of Score in general, so his influence was substantially high.


Edmund Meinerts2019-05-24 14:17:33
In what way is it "obvious", exactly, that Djawadi had more influence on that Training cue than Zimmer? It's basically just a statement of Zimmer's theme, and doesn't really sound notably "Djawadi-esque" to me in any way.

nvictor reply Replies: 0 || 2019-05-23 20:44:26
are we expecting the score for dark phoenix to be released in a week or so, if the movie itself drops early june?

isildur reply Replies: 24 || 2019-05-22 18:40:39
Christopher Nolan’s new film is an action spy film titled Tenet and apparently it is being scored by Ludwig Göransson.

It would be interesting to see what they come up with. But I am heartbroken that we will not be hearing a Nolan-Zimmer score.

https: //www.empireonline.com/movies/news/christopher-nolan-new-fil m-titled-tenet/


Joshua2019-05-22 18:49:51
Nobody ever believes me lol.


George2019-05-22 19:06:10
Very interesting. Wonder if anything happened between the two, or if Zimmer was even asked to do it?..

That being said, I’m not exactly by this news. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE the Nolan/Zimmer collaborations, but part of me is excited for HZ to move beyond that relationship (for now) and pursue new projects and innovate film scoring even more.

I also partially blame Nolan (not sure whether I should or shouldn’t) for pushing Zimmer away from melodies and towards the atmosphere of and textural type of scoring.


mpolonest123 2019-05-22 19:07:20
I like Ludwig Göransson so this doesn’t bother me too much, I’m more concerned about Zimmer and Nolan’s relationship. I hope Dunkirk wasn’t THAT taxing on them.


Hybrid Soldier2019-05-22 19:09:03
You can't say I didn't warn you !


isildur2019-05-22 19:16:20
You did. But Hans-Nolan personal relationship is fine though, right?


Mephariel2019-05-22 19:56:19
I am actually very intrigue by this. When I heard that Zimmer may not be scoring it, Ludwig Göransson was my pick.

I honestly think Ludwig Göransson has a chance to be the future Zimmer.


Mephariel2019-05-22 20:00:44
I also wonder whether or not this is a fallout or is Zimmer too busy? Or a mixture of both? It could be a amicable separation and may not be permanent.


mpolonest123 2019-05-22 20:12:25
@mephariel
It’s hard to compare the two stylistically but I can definitely see Ludwig being on a similar level of fame down the line if he picks the right projects. Another excellent composer who is just as experimental as Zimmer is Daniel Pemberton.

It will be interesting to see if Zimmer sticks with Denis Villeneuve and/or scores any of Nolan’s future films, they are fairly similar directors in terms of approaching music in their films.


George2019-05-22 20:16:16
I can’t imagine this was a scheduling issue. He was on tour and made time for Dunkirk. And HZ always seemed to be on board so far in advance with the Nolan projects, so you’d presume he would’ve known about this project for awhile if he were doing it and would have blocked time off for it.

So maybe it was an either/or situation with Tenet or Dune, which would mean he CHOSE Dune over Tenet...

Who knows lol. I’m still building my excitement for Dark Phoenix next month, and then WW84, Top Gun, Dune, and even Spongebob. Lots of fun potential there!


challenge2019-05-22 20:19:45
So Dunkirk really was that awful an experience then? Wow.


Mephariel2019-05-22 20:37:09
@mpolonest123

I am not sure if I am sold on Daniel Pemberton. I still think his music never goes beyond sonic wallpaper most of the time.


Mephariel2019-05-22 20:41:02
@George

Like I said in another forum, Nolan/Zimmer is one of my favorite collaborations, but if the choice is Zimmer scoring Tenet or Dune, I much rather he than score Dune.

I honestly probably rather he score Wonder Woman 1984 than Tenet, because Zimmer needs to do more fun films. But then maybe I am making too much assumptions about Tenet. A Nolan espionage movie sounds incredible, but it is probably a cold and dark film.


ThePhantasm2019-05-22 20:42:07
This is actually pretty shocking and completely unexpected. Even if he wasn’t gonna score it, I was a 100% sure it was gonna be Lorne Balfe. I’m not crazy about Ludwig so for the first time ever in a long time I’m not particularly excited about a Chris Nolan movie soundtrack. I wonder if it’s cause Zimmer is damn busy with concerts and movies, could sworn he’d go with someone from RCP


mpolonest123 2019-05-22 20:44:41
@mephariel
I can definitely see that, especially with King Arthur and Spiderverse. I do think his music adds a lot to the films he scores (Steve Jobs and Man From Uncle being two great examples) where he consistently switches up styles and tones to keep things fresh. Maybe not the strongest theme writer but I do love his approaches.


mpolonest123 2019-05-22 20:46:17
And if I’m completely honest, I’m more excited by WW84, Spongebob, Top Gun, and Dark Phoenix than another potential Nolan collab.


George2019-05-22 20:49:05
@mephariel @mpolonest123 - glad I’m not the only one who’s more excited for those compared to cold and dark Nolan/Zimmer scores. I’m kinda over those to be honest.


Mephariel2019-05-22 21:00:57
@George

To be fair, Interstellar is a genuine masterpiece score and maybe one my favorite score of all time, but I am not sure when Nolan will allow Zimmer to return to that type of scoring.

Hell, Time is my favorite cue ever, but again, I am not sure if Nolan is interested in that kind of music anymore.

I guess we will see with Tenet. And yes, I absolutely think Göransson can be a future star in the making and if anyone is allow write his or her own "Time" cultural moment, it may as well be him.


George 2019-05-22 21:21:44
@Mephariel - you’re right. However Interstellar and Inception, musically speaking, are simple scores. They are moving, beautiful, and masterpieces, but still simple. Which is great!

But if we are wanting Zimmer to return to a type of music, I’d much rather prefer something along the lines of Pirates, The Rock, The Last Samurai, Crimson Tide, etc. Tonally, of course it would be more modern and new, but melodically a return to those forms would be a dream come true.


Ds2019-05-22 23:26:56
@mpolonest123: those Pemberton scores are indeed pure gold, very cool on album but insanely good in the movie. My favorite is still his King Arthur, that was a beast of a score that stuck with the movie like glue and really enhanced Guy Ritchie's dark, twisted, trippy vision.


Miralsice2019-05-22 23:34:49
I think I am the only one, who would be glad about David Julyan return.

I really like his music for early Nolan's films, especially Insomnia, and it's what i can call an "atmospheric experience".

Don't know how his music fits for espionage timetraveling movie, but, for me, i'st would be something interesting to hear.


Mr.Unbreakable2019-05-23 02:44:42
I really believe that Nolan has made a mistake as a composer.I think Lorne Balfe, David Julyan or Justin Hurwitz would be much better options than Ludwig Goransson.


Mephariel2019-05-23 04:12:54
Justin Hurwitz I can see. I enjoyed La La Land and First Man. But Both Hurwitz and Göransson are several notches above Lorne Balfe.

I think 80/100 directors would rather work with Göransson than Balfe.


Bob2019-05-23 08:54:24
I hope these two team up again. Zimmer's score is the main driving force for some memorable scenes. Just a few
Batman Begins-The Training
TDK- Joker crash the party, Gordon's speech and ending
Inception - Time, Mr.Charles,
TKDR - the climb, imagine the fire and orphan
Interstellar-Stay, Docking, coward, mountain
Dunkirk - well the entire movie


Mr.Unbreakable2019-05-23 15:50:41
I think Balfe working with Nolan would have done a great job

isildur reply Replies: 3 || 2019-03-05 23:54:22
Apparently, the new Nolan film is a romantic thriller described as North by Northwest meets Inception. I can't even imagine how Hans' score would sound like. But I am so pumped for this score. Probably they'll go full orchestral with beautiful themes!?

https: //twitter.com/prodweek/status/1102990235569405952


mpolonest123 2019-03-06 00:02:05
Nolan has always been a pretty cerebral filmmaker, so seeing him do a romantic film in the vein of Hitchcock has me very excited. As for the music, I really would kill to hear Zimmer do an old fashioned “Bernard Hermann esque” type of score. I love Zimmer’s experimenting but it’s been a while since we’ve gotten a big orchestral score from him. Especially since he is capable of writing some beautiful love themes (think “Marry Me” or Pearl Harbor).


Mephariel2019-03-06 01:23:33
This sounds interesting as hell. I wonder what Zimmer will come up with.


Kent Öberg2019-03-06 12:21:24
This has been debunked.

Jerry reply Replies: 7 || 2019-02-20 23:56:00
With the complete cue sheet out now. Does anyone know what the chronological order of the album would be?


Mike2019-02-21 03:01:21
It's not really possible to chronologically order the album because the album doesn't use the same tracks as the movie. Plus, the album is more or less chronological anyway, given the areas where they are the same.


mpolonest123 2019-02-21 03:30:17
Comparing it to YFM’s sfx edit this is what I’ve got;

“The Mole” seems to be an alternate of the opening sequence. The first minute or so is used, while the rest isn’t. “We Need Our Army Back/Regimental Brothers” are both made up of several cues from different points in the film.
“Home” is completely different in the film, which makes me think it may have been recorded specifically for the album. Similar situation with “Oil”.
“Supermarine” is definitely a suite. The rest is chronological.

Interesting thing to note, it seems like a lot of the tempo changes/ticking effects/bass overlays were removed from the album release, making almost every track sound different from the actual film versions. The music in context has a constant pulse going, especially in the way cues segue into each other and change tempo.


Mike2019-02-21 04:52:38
I noticed that as well — the ticking goes all through the movie, except for the boat scenes, and only stops when they get on the train.

I wonder...could the film have originally been shot so that the beach, sea, and air sequences were there own arcs, and the longer album tracks were written for that? And then Nolan went in and turned the movie into the frenetic, constantly cutting-back-and-forth final product?

While the album is fine, I personally don't understand why we couldn't have just gotten the film cues. They might have had to stitch several together for each track, but it could have worked.


Ahmad2019-02-21 10:32:55
The Mole P1 (0-1:57)
Regimental Brothers P1 (0-1:19)
The Mole P2 (1:57-3:44)
Regimental Brothers P3 (2:44 onward)
We Need Our Army Back
Shivering Soldier
Supermarine P1 (0-2:47)
The Mole P3 (3:45 onward)
We Need Our Army Back (again)
Supermarine P2 (*5:33)
Impulse
The Tide
Home
The Oil
Variation 15
End Credits

As everyone said already, the album is made up of suites that combine several cues and several "sounds" used in various places. For example, the is a sound in The Mole (At 2:05) that sounds like a fuse being ignited. This sound is actually right after The Tide in the film.
The only tracks that are almost identical to the film are: The Tide, Variation 15 and End Credits, the rest is different.

So if you were to order the tracks as first heard in the film it would be:
The Mole
Regimental Brothers
We Need Our Army Back
Shivering Soldier
Supermarine
Impluse
The Tide
Home
The Oil
Variation 15
End credits

As much as I enjoyed listening to this release, I wish they didn't butcher the score the way they did. I like the suites but there are so many great cues in this film that weren't released. If only they released an isolated score track on Blu-ray. Listening to film extracts is just not enough.


mpolonest123 2019-02-21 14:10:39
@Mike
Zimmer has said in interviews that he “mapped out” the film with one long piece of music to establish the changing tempo of the story, and apparently the script was written to capture the rhythmic feel of the film. So from the very beginning the story was always split up between the three.

I think a big part of the initial disappointment with the score was the album presentation, which gives off the impression that the music is just some sound design that Zimmer threw together (this is how I personally felt when I first gave it a listen). In actuality it’s a technically impressive score, I really can’t think of any other film score that is so synchronized with a film’s tempo and flows as one long piece of music. Apparently it was a nightmare for Hans, especially when the smallest edits to the film would ruin the flow.

Doing the 59-minute album was a pretty big disservice to the whole purpose of the music. If you remove one piece the whole thing falls apart, which is part of the reason the album feels so disjointed.


Mike2019-02-21 23:03:38
That's right, I forgot about that... And I totally agree about the score vs. the album. I had no use for this score on album at first, but now that I've watched the movie a few times, I can really hear the logic behind the score and I "get it."

I still don't get the music as heard on album, though. Are the longer pieces some early suites Hans wrote? Or did he specifically make these arrangements for the album? Do you know the answer to that one, Hybrid?


YFM2019-02-22 04:23:51
Most of the album is comprised of suites, with one consistent tempo per track.

The material that was scored to picture was scored using the risset rhythm technique, which gave a lot of those tracks their "infinitely getting faster" feeling in the film, so the tempo is always climbing in the film versions. The suites have a stable tempo (except for a couple normal tempo changes, which are different)

Mike reply Replies: 2 || 2019-02-19 08:20:30
I watched the movie and tried to put the cuesheet that Hybrid posted into chronological order... This is what I was able to gather from watching the movie:

1. Opening Pt. 1 - HZ
2. Opening Pt. 2 - HZ, SM
3. The Beach Pt. 1 - HZ
4. The Beach Pt. 2 - HZ, AK
5. The Air - HZ
6. Stretcher Carry - HZ, AK
7. Approaching Trawler - HZ
8. Bandit 11 O’Clock / Off You Go - HZ
9. One Bandit Down - HZ
10. Meeting Rear Admiral - HZ
11. Shivering Soldier - HZ
12. Fortis Leader Down - HZ
13. Stuka Bombing Medical Ship - HZ, Andy Page
14. U-Boat - HZ
15. Boarding Destroyer/Below Deck - HZ, Andy Page
16. I’m Not Going Back to Dunkirk - HZ
17. Heinkel 11 O’Clock - HZ, Satnam Ramgotra
18. Torpedo - HZ, Satnam Ramgotra
19. Soldier Locked Below Deck - HZ
20. Collins Water Landing - HZ
21. Torpedo Aftermath - HZ
22. Wait for Another Lifeboat - HZ
23. Turn it Around! - HZ
24. George Falls - HZ
25. Farrier Attacks Heinkel - HZ, LB
26. The Bodies Come Back - HZ
27. I Can’t See - HZ, Alex Gibson
28. Farrier Turns Back - HZ
29. Activate Small Vessels Pool - HZ
30. Waiting for the Tide - HZ
31. Should We Turn Back - HZ
32. Smoke From the Spitfire - HZ
33. Dutch Sailor Comes Back - HZ
34. Collins Crash Landing - HZ
35. There Was No Chute - HZ
36. Target Practice - HZ
37. Collins Struggles / Ditch Ballast - HZ
38. Sauerkraut Sauce - HZ
39. Collins Underwater HZ
40. Minesweeper Bombed / Trawler Floats - HZ, AK
41. Plug the Hole - HZ
42. Nimrod - HZ, BW
43. Covered in Oil / Abandon Ship - HZ, AK
44. Where Are You From - HZ
45. 109 Approaching - HZ
46. Engineless Flight - HZ, BW
47. Rail Yard - HZ
48. Variation 15 - HZ, BW
49. End Credits / 5MEC1 - HZ, BW, LB
50. End Credits Long Note Harmonics v.12.7 - HZ
51. End Credits Air - HZ v.31.07
52. End Credits Tommy v8.00

I'm missing the following in this list: Attack Aftermath / Navy Requisition, Decent Altitude, Destroyer By, Farrier Chasing 109, Farrier Chased by 109, and Little Boats. Anyone know where those go?


Andrew K2019-02-19 22:50:51
I recommend you check out YFM’s edit cause it has all those cues properly where they belong as well as a slightly different order.


Mike2019-02-20 01:11:03
Thanks for the heads up. Haven't checked his stuff in a while. Like I said, I figured some stuff was off here.

Kent Öberg reply Replies: 1 || 2019-02-08 12:46:40
From a new French interview with HZ:

Q: Do you plan to work with Nolan on a next feature film?
A: No idea! I spoke to Chris a few months ago. I asked him how it was and he said, "I'm sitting in front of a blank page now." [Laughs] I understand that.

Kind of surprising, no? HZ is usually onboard so early when it comes to Nolan.


Knight2019-02-08 12:56:59
By the sounds of it, the film is in super early stages of production, so it makes some sense that HZ isn't in the project yet

Radik reply Replies: 14 || 2019-01-26 09:51:09
Christopher Nolan announed his new project. Hope Hans is going to be at board. I anticipate anothrr masterpiece. :)


challenge2019-01-26 18:59:35
It'll be interesting to hear what experiment they come up with next. Interstellar was great. Dunkirk was interesting.

Wouldn't it be interesting if Nolan subverted expectations and challenged Hans to write proper, well-formed classical music. It'd be really interesting to hear the results.


Mephariel2019-01-27 02:52:36
How many movie is Zimmer going to score in 2020? He already has Wonder Woman 1984, SpongeBob, and Top Gun: Maverick. Now he is going to score Nolan's next film. That is like 4 films in within a 3-4 months span. Hopefully he won't spread his ideas too thin.


Knight2019-01-27 03:01:54
I expect a lot of work for Mazzaro and Kawczynski in the coming years xD


isildur2019-01-27 09:10:57
Hans is scoring SpongeBob movie? When did this news come out? I think Hans is finished scoring WW1984 movie already.


Mephariel2019-01-28 00:23:46
Maybe Hybrid can confirm, but I highly doubt Zimmer is finished with WW1984 already. He is still working on The Lion King and I am not sure if he finished Dark Phoenix yet. Where will he find time to do WW1984? Besides, WW didn't finished production until December of last year. That means they are still editing the movie.

And yes, he is doing the next SpongeBob movie. It was announced last year.


java2019-01-29 08:22:13
what event film it's gonna be? Inception


Scorefan2019-01-30 00:16:14
Hans is working on The Lion King. The Dark Phoenix is completed even with the reshoots to this year. Next Year WW84, so he has enough time.


Mephariel2019-01-30 05:47:05
He will probably finish WW1984 by fall of this year. I think he won't do much on Top Gun. Harold Faltermeyer will do most of the work. That leaves Spongebob and maybe his team can do most of the work as well. So he will spend most of winter and next year on Nolan's project. That is what I am thinking.


Ian2019-01-31 07:44:51
Damn, seeing how many projects Hans has lined up honestly makes me worry that we'll be getting a ton of recycled/generic/minimalist/ambient/ghostwritten stuff rather than authentic, compelling Zimmer. I do hope I'm wrong, though!


mpolonest123 2019-01-31 13:06:07
@Ian
I wouldn’t worry. Just look at 2013. We had MOS, The Lone Ranger, 12 Years A Slave, Rush, and Mr. Morgan’s Last Love. Pretty strong/diverse lineup if you ask me.


Ds2019-02-02 11:48:32
@mpolonest: so in fact in 2013 the only real Zimmer scores we had were Man Of Steel and Rush.
Most of The Lone Ranger was done by the additional composers (Geoff mainly). And so was Mr Morgan's Last Love, if I remember well.
12 Years A Slave is a lazy piece of rehashing that cannot be given as an example of anything good.

So that's exactly the kind of concerns Ian was talking about :-p


mpolonest123 2019-02-02 13:30:38
Yeah, I probably shouldn’t have included 12yas lol...

But even The Lone Ranger, despite being heavily influenced by other sources and having the ghostwriters, is still a pretty fun score that does have Zimmer’s stamp on it. I would take that over “Widows” any day...


Mike2019-02-02 20:45:59
I think we can count The Lone Ranger as a real Zimmer score. As far as we know, he did the suites (Absurdity, Silver, Home), and the whole score sounds like him throughout. True, he didn't like working on the movie, which he admitted, but I definitely think it's "his" score as much as any other score post-2005.

Zanelli was working on Finale before Zimmer wrote anything, but even there, he couldn't finish the cue until Zimmer came in to write stuff.


Ds2019-02-02 22:11:05
Don’t get me wrong on The Lone Ranger, I like this score (and LOVE that movie), but to me it sounds like HZ did this quickly to help a friend, but didn’t put a lot of heart or ideas in it. Absurdity is a fun suite but it’s little more than another spin on 160BPM. Silver is lovely but heavily lifted from some source music (can’t remember which one). And Home is just like this Solomon theme from 12yas.

A fun and enjoyable score, free from any « concept » or « experiment », which felt fresh, but ultimately didn’t really bring anything we hadn’t heard before. Except the astonishing work on William Tell, of course!

curba reply Replies: 2 || 2019-01-04 03:31:54
Hans enough! relaese the complete score!.....


Hans2019-01-06 17:32:48
Sure. Calling the company right now.


Mike2019-01-07 16:30:34
Classic

lomp reply Replies: 2 || 2018-11-08 11:52:14
the complete score is out!!!


kareem2018-11-09 01:33:34
No, you lying...


Will2018-11-13 02:16:08
I wish

nvictor reply Replies: 0 || 2018-10-21 01:12:35
i love this score so much. this comment is for Hans and team again for making such an amazing score. if they ever read what we write here lol : )

so, i am not a movie goer and many people claim and say that scores are to serve movies, and so and forth. well, i finally watched Dunkirk and it is an excellent movie. the movie did not do justice to the score imo.

here's an example. "Variation 15" on Nimrod is the "soothing" track for me in the whole score. much more soothing than "Home". i can play it in a loop. it surprised me that the cut gave it only a mere few seconds in the movie. now, i only watched Dunkirk once but i am pretty sure it played once, and for a few seconds, while "Bane" was in the plane.

another fact is that i always felt like being in a war plane when listening to "Supermarine". not an helicopter but more like a fast moving plane. that was before watching the movie and i never read about the movie. i knew it was about war and the only war machine i could think of was that. the fact that i was able to match the music with my own images says how great Hans and team were on that.

the constant tension felt in the "Mole", "Supermarine", etc. is more intense in the movie though. i liked that.

also, i watched the movie credits to the very end. i wanted to see if they would match it with the track. they did, and it ends exactly with the starting point as i expected. for me it was a cue that "the war didn't end there". sad, yes, but the effect was on point.

so okay, i am minority here in saying that a score album put together is its own thing. doesn't need a movie to exist. great movie. great score. both in their own rights!

nvictor reply Replies: 17 || 2018-06-26 13:55:59
anyone knows scores similar to dunkirk? can't get enough of this sound (or rather need more of it...)


Jay the Dinosaur2018-06-27 07:39:19
Elgar's Nimrod Variations


nvictor2018-06-27 13:19:20
you got me lol. no no, not the Nimrod sound : ) the other sound of dunkirk


... 2018-06-27 15:22:55
Captain Philips has similar portions


Mike (OTM)2018-06-27 16:00:45
Yeah, Captain Phillips is the closest thing I can think of to Dunkirk... And Hans did writing on it, coincidentally.


Ds2018-06-27 22:15:28
When I was watching A Quiet Place there were quite a few moments where I thought the score was kind of similar to Dunkirk, mostly in the suspense cues. Never relistened to it though, so maybe it was just an impression.


nvictor2018-06-28 19:46:09
thanks all


Koly2018-06-28 22:15:09
Gravity IMHO


nvictor2018-07-17 23:08:36
finally got to listen to a quiet place. it has indeed the atmospheric vibe i got from dunkirk. although i will give it another listen before deciding. anyways, you have great ears Ds. and you said you listened to the background music during the movie even, wow!

after that i got to listen to 3:10 to yuma, which went straight onto my wishlist. and made me research Marco Beltrami. no idea how i never heard from his scores till now! he is very amazing on those two scores i have listened to so far.

now, i realized that (most) horror movies might have that atmospheric/ambient sound. so i wondered what makes dunkirk special? pretty sure it is that tension that never seems to fade (not the nimrod theme though). most horror movies are to scare you at particular moments. dunkirk keeps the tension constant. so much that you get comfortable with it. that's what makes it so special for me.

will keep looking. oh i tried captain philips and gravity too. will give those another listen.


Ds2018-07-18 10:58:28
mvictor: it's funny, 3:10 To Yuma is perhaps the only Beltrami score I really like :-p

In my opinion, what made Dunkirk special is that it's a Zimmer score, so it sounds better, massive, impressive, while most horror scores stay in the background except for a few jump scares that are not pleasing at all when you listen to the album. Dunkirk is a tension-builder, but it's more than that.

You should definitely listen to Gravity a couple more times, it's an absolutely amazing score, in my opinion better than Dunkirk, as it's equally tense and massive, but has more refined electronic manipulation, it's more colorful and it's simply more musical. Go straight to the track 'Shenzou', play it very loud, and you'll see what I mean :-p


nvictor2018-07-24 18:27:56
alright, will give Gravity another try

i had 3.10 to Yuma in a loop for days now. the theme is stuck in my head. can't get it out. and today i tried logan. it got me immediately. give it a try if you haven't.

what got me is the blend of a real grand piano and a real drumset with the orchestra. i have not heard it done so well. Marco Beltrami is now a definite favorite and i am only the 3rd soundtrack


mpolonest123 2018-07-24 19:38:39
Marco Beltrami is a solid composer who seems to get pigeonholed in horror most of the time.

I would definitely recommend I Robot, Soul Surfer, SnowPiercer, Scream, and Logan if you want a good variety of his style.


Mephariel2018-07-24 22:53:20
I absolutely hate Beltrami's writing. He doesn't have the melodic prowess of the elites and sucks at writing virtually any underscore or suspense music.

I can't believe he made Soul Surfer because that score is so good, I keep thinking Horner wrote it.



Edmund Meinerts2018-07-25 11:09:05
Beltrami's not that great melodically but I think he's a more than solid action/suspense composer. I particularly love his Die Hard scores for that, as well as I, Robot, Hellboy, Seventh Son and Gods of Egypt. And he's also pretty good at coming up with unusual and creative textures and orchestrations. But a lot of his albums end up being slogs, and the quality seems to vary a lot from project to project.

He's a mixed bag of a composer but not remotely deserving of the hate I sometimes see him get from people like Mephariel, Ds or Macejko.


Ds2018-07-25 19:43:14
Lol since when am I a hater? :-o

If anything, Beltrami is in my "I don't care" zone. I remain fully open-minded if I watch a movie scored by him, but I confess I don't pursue his projects in the same way I'm doing my best to watch any movie scored by major RCP composers :-)


nvictor2018-07-25 20:18:27
come one guys, you always want to turn everything into a debate. thanks again, Ds, for making me discover Marco Beltrami.

also can we post youtube links here? here's logan main title, such a great track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be1HdTnSGZo


Edmund Meinerts2018-07-26 00:33:12
"you always want to turn everything into a debate"...uh, my bad? Didn't realize that wasn't what this comment section was for. Must have missed the memo.

Ds - sorry, could've sworn I had seen disparaging comments about Beltrami from you at some point. Like I said, he gets a weird amount of hate around here, maybe I confused you for someone else...


Ty2018-07-26 18:14:07
Check out any of Gyorgy Ligeti's work from the '50s-60s. Second string quartet

badbu reply Replies: 0 || 2018-07-25 08:32:31
i want the complete score so so much!!! arggggh

Anonymous reply Replies: 17 || 2018-05-10 13:57:31
What is the next project of hans zimmer in 2018 for a movie ?
Is there any block buster movie in 2018 which hans zimmer composed ?


Max Potcats2018-05-10 14:56:36
he mentioned a top secret project with wallfisch, also he's making the lion king live and dark phoenix for 2019, but that's it I think


Mephariel2018-05-10 17:02:31
Where did you hear about a top secret project with Wallfisch?


George2018-05-10 17:05:16
In the Hans Zimmer Roundtable by Spitfire Audio on YouTube. Well worth the watch by the way.


Joshua2018-05-10 23:18:33
I was looking through all the releases from now till the end of the year trying to think of possible films it could be. Do we know the story with Disney's Christopher Robin? I remember reading Klaus was gonna do it. But then when Johann passed, it was revealed he was actually scoring it. So does that mean Klaus is back in or is there someone new? I could see Hans and Ben doing this film.


George2018-05-11 01:00:16
I've done the same, Joshua, and honestly I have no idea what film it could be. I'm hoping it's at least something with strong themes with a strong Zimmer stamp on it... its been awhile since we've had one of those.


Mephariel2018-05-11 17:18:30
Major 2018 films with no composers announced

Alpha, Escape Room, Mortal Engines

Not a lot of choices. I would love to see Zimmer score something like Moral Engines. Or course, it could be a small film we don't know about. More likely, he is doing a replacement score.





lol2018-05-11 21:29:58
It's called sherlock Holmes 3


mpolonest123 2018-05-11 22:21:49
Apparently the animated Spider-Man movie coming from Sony has no one attached yet as a composer. Imagine Zimmer returning to that universe? And he has a relationship with Sony already so it’s not too unlikely.


Mephariel2018-05-11 22:48:52
Possible. But they either didn't ask him to do Venom. Either that or he decline to do that film. I feel like Zimmer is too picky now to do something like Spider-Man.


Max Potcats2018-05-11 23:51:58
No more "dumb blockbusters" for Hans now, so I don't see him scoring Venom.
On Sherlock 3 if Guy Ritchie is call to direct it I don't see why HZ wouldn't make it, he had some issues with the producer on SH1 but I guess it's over now..
In the "worst" scenario Pemberton on Sherlock would be great, as for King Arthur.


Dunkirk2018-05-12 07:42:14
I am curious for complete soundtrack of Dunkirk than what's gonna be his next movie


lol2018-05-12 07:46:46
its sherlock 3.


Everan2018-05-13 01:57:33
Ludwig Goransson from Black Panther is attached to Venom for now. Besides Dark Phoenix, and hopefully Sherlock 3, doubt he'll make another big one until Nolan makes another film


Joshua2018-05-13 07:42:21
Sherlock 3 doesn’t come out until 2020.


Jsdamian2018-05-13 23:53:40
Widows, november 2018, steve mcqueen


Jsdamian2018-05-16 19:18:24
Maybe snyder's cut?


awesome2018-06-04 13:35:30
the complete score is so amazing!!!

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2018-05-11 14:14:04
I hope hans zimmer compose the music of captain marvel . Future of MCU is bright and amazing Unlike DCEU which without nolan is going down .


Mephariel2018-05-11 17:09:01
While that is highly unlikely, I think Zimmer moving into Marvel films is a good idea. I think the terrible quality of DC films really affected Zimmer's scoring. Dark Phoenix is a nice start.

With that said, Zimmer doesn't seem like he wants to score conventional superhero movies. Dark Phoenix is more like a drama than a superhero film from what I read.

Thomas reply Replies: 0 || 2018-05-11 09:28:52
Schreckliche Musik!

Radik reply Replies: 2 || 2018-03-21 07:14:12
Stretcher Carry is avaibale on soundcloud. It' merely recreation but it's awesome almost like film version.


Jon2018-04-27 02:08:07
Where can I find it?


Radik2018-04-30 20:14:16
It's seems that it is already gone but I was able to get it. If you have interest, you can contact me PM.

Mephariel reply Replies: 0 || 2018-04-20 07:35:47
Andrew Kawczynski scored the movie Sky Hunter. The score is available on Spotify now.

The score is probably the most melodic/heroic that I heard from him.

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 0 || 2018-04-14 19:27:02
This may have been brought up before, but... why exactly did Hans need Ben Wallfisch for Variation 15? It's hardly that much different than the original, and besides, the most memorable part of it that's not the original is the string-brass crescendo at the end. And that was obviously Hans.

So what did Wallfisch do? Honest question.

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George reply Replies: 2 || 2018-03-15 15:34:51
Have any of you done Hans' Masterclass online? I'm considering getting it really just to see and understand his process better, but is it worth my money?


mpolonest1232018-03-15 16:57:28
I did it about a year ago and if you are a fan of Hans, or just want to get some great insight on film scoring in general, you should definitely check it out!


nvictor2018-03-24 20:30:32
it didn't give me super composer powers lol but you should give it a chance. the community is building up it seems. they have the advantage of talking directly (or having questions sent) to Hans.

anyway, i am a bigger fan of what Junkie is doing for free on youtube. it's way less abstract than what Hans told us. for example Hans explained to us to write to the picture, the director is your metronome and such... it wasn't until Junkie explained that he can't show us any cuts from tomb raider it finally made sense.

Lincoln Clay reply Replies: 1 || 2018-03-15 21:15:30
Hybrid you know what, i just need, or we just need ticking clock. IMAX Prologue amazing score, Hans did firstly this one i know. Hans my GOD Hans my Lord, please release this score just this please, please my Lord.. Dunkirk IMAX Prologue is here. https: //vimeo.com/248461543


Ahmad2018-03-16 07:42:30
If only there was enough demand for this track to be released like there was for NTFC.
I love everything about it, ticking and thumping and some muted synths in the background.

I hope it gets released or leak someday. I tweeted at Lorne saying Hans should put out some unreleased Dunkirk tracks like Lorne did with GITS and he liked my tweet but that's it.

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 1 || 2018-03-08 03:35:36
I've been on the more negative side of reactions to this score, but does anyone else find the "Shivering Soldier" cue just kind of captivating? It's an extremely simple piece, yet — as simple Hans cues often do — it just kind of manages to pull you in and make you feel exactly what Cillian Murphy's character is feeling. Maybe it's the drone underneath everything. I don't know. It's certainly not a masterpiece, but unlike some parts of the score (IMO), it really works exactly like it's meant to.


badbu2018-03-08 07:38:52
yep! it's an amazing cue! the complete score is a masterpiece for me.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 22 || 2017-12-03 12:06:14
Full Dunkirk cuesheet (in alphabetical order) :

ACTIVATE SMALL VESSELS POOL
Hans Zimmer

APPROACHING TRAWLER
Hans Zimmer

ATTACK AFTERMATH / NAVY REQUISITION
Hans Zimmer

BANDIT 11 O’CLOCK / OFF YOU GO
Hans Zimmer

BOARDING DESTROYER / BELOW DECK
Hans Zimmer, Andy Page

COLLINS CRASH LANDING
Hans Zimmer

COLLINS STRUGGLES / DITCH BALLAST
Hans Zimmer

COLLINS TRAPPED
Hans Zimmer

COLLINS UNDERWATER
Hans Zimmer

COLLINS WATER LANDING
Hans Zimmer

COVERED IN OIL / ABANDON SHIP
Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski

DECENT ALTITUDE
Hans Zimmer

DESTROYER BY
Hans Zimmer

DUTCH SAILOR COMES BACK
Hans Zimmer

END CREDIT - 5MEC1
Hans Zimmer, Benjamin Wallfisch, Lorne Balfe

END CREDIT - AIR v31.07
Hans Zimmer

END CREDIT - LONG NOTE HARMONICS v12.7
Hans Zimmer

END CREDIT - TOMMY v8.00
Hans Zimmer

ENGINELESS FLIGHT
Hans Zimmer, Benjamin Wallfisch

FARRIER ATTACKS HEINKEL
Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe

FARRIER CHASED BY 109
Hans Zimmer

FARRIER CHASING 109
Hans Zimmer

FARRIER FLY BY MINESWEEPER
Hans Zimmer

FARRIER HEINKLE FLY-BY
Hans Zimmer

FARRIER TURNS BACK
Hans Zimmer

FORTIS LEADER DOWN
Hans Zimmer

GEORGE FALLS
Hans Zimmer

HEINKEL 11 O’CLOCK
Hans Zimmer, Satnam Ramgotra

HEINKEL CRASH
Hans Zimmer

I CAN’T SEE
Hans Zimmer, Alex Gibson

I’M NOT GOING BACK TO DUNKIRK
Hans Zimmer

LITTLE BOATS
Hans Zimmer, Benjamin Wallfisch

MEETING REAR ADMIRAL
Hans Zimmer

MINESWEEPER BOMBED / TRAWLER FLOATS
Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski

NIMROD
Hans Zimmer, Benjamin Wallfisch

ONE BANDIT DOWN
Hans Zimmer

OPENING PT 1
Hans Zimmer

OPENING PT 2
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro

PLUG THE HOLE
Hans Zimmer

RAIL YARD
Hans Zimmer

SAUERKRAUT SAUCE
Hans Zimmer, Ryan Rubin

SHIVERING SOLDIER
Hans Zimmer

SHOULD WE TURN BACK
Hans Zimmer

SMOKE FROM THE SPITFIRE
Hans Zimmer

SOLDIER LOCKED BELOW DECK
Hans Zimmer

STRETCHER CARRY
Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski

STUKA ATTACK
Hans Zimmer

STUKA BOMBING MEDICAL SHIP
Hans Zimmer, Andy Page

TARGET PRACTICE
Hans Zimmer

THE AIR
Hans Zimmer

THE BEACH PT 1
Hans Zimmer

THE BEACH PT 2
Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski

THE BODIES COME BACK
Hans Zimmer, Alex Gibson

THERE WAS NO CHUTE
Hans Zimmer

TORPEDO
Hans Zimmer, Satnam Ramgotra

TORPEDO AFTERMATH
Hans Zimmer

TURN IT AROUND!
Hans Zimmer

U-BOAT
Hans Zimmer

VARIATION 15
Hans Zimmer, Benjamin Wallfisch

WAIT FOR ANOTHER LIFEBOAT
Hans Zimmer

WAITING FOR THE TIDE
Hans Zimmer

WHERE ARE YOU FROM?
Hans Zimmer

109 APPROACHING
Hans Zimmer


badbu2017-12-03 12:22:00
WOW! Thanks :-)


Ian2017-12-03 13:36:19
I get the sense many of the above cues are variations of one another, but nonetheless it's cool to see that Hans seemingly did the bulk of the work here.


Ahmad2017-12-03 14:36:56
Thanks for cuesheet! "Sauerkraut Sauce" LOL!
"STRETCHER CARRY"... That's the one I want the most!


babdu2017-12-03 14:39:55
ich liebe Sauerkraut...aber was zum Teufel soll Sauerkraut Sauce sein? :D


Mike (OTM)2017-12-03 14:59:02
That's pretty interesting... I wouldn't have guessed that Zimmer did 95% of this alone.

Also, I never understood the logic that the film arrangement of these cues couldn't be put on album. Why not? Stitch two or three together at a time if need be. I think it would work fine.


...2017-12-03 15:40:03
I really hope we get a FYC score like we did for Interstellar. There's so much interesting stuff in the score that isn't on the OST.


Der-Profl2017-12-03 22:07:15
Is there a reason why the cuesheet is leaked now? Does this mean that we get the full soundtrack leaked in the next time? I hope so. Like Ahmad, I want to listen to "STRETCHER CARRY".


Hybrid Soldier2017-12-03 22:30:26
"Is there a reason why the cuesheet is leaked now?"


...

Because ASCAP finally added it to its website ? Mayyyyyyybe ?


Der-Profl2017-12-04 00:58:57
Haha. Sorry, I don't know how that all works with leaking information about soundtrack and scores. Dunkirk and Ghost In The Shell are the first ones, which I follow. (I don't know, if I can say that like that and you know what I mean.)


mpolonest123 2017-12-04 01:27:23
@hybrid

Are suites ever included on the cue sheets?


Hybrid Soldier2017-12-04 08:45:48
Cuesheet shows exactly what appears in the film, from the first to the last second of this film... Whatever was written for it but doesn't appear in it won't be in the cuesheet.


isildur2017-12-04 11:40:38
Want. Want. Want. It will be glorious if we get the whole thing.


...2017-12-04 12:43:44
We won't get a FYC version because WB has added the OST to their For your Consideration site. I wonder how this is even allowed, being as there's so much on this OST that isn't in the film (suites etc)


Medigo2017-12-04 13:00:10
well screw WB then
greedy bastards


...2017-12-04 13:22:20
Yeah why the hell would they upload the OST:/


Mike (OTM)2017-12-06 02:00:54
Anyone know what the chronological order of this would be?


Mike (OTM)2017-12-06 02:00:54
Anyone know what the chronological order of this would be?


badbu2017-12-08 07:52:35
The "alternate" version from "Oil" when Tom attacks the german plane oO it's soooo much better! <3 The extra strings, the ticking...gosh


Ahmad2017-12-08 09:58:03
I really love the variation of Supermarine that plays right before the torpedo scene. I'm guessing it's either HEINKEL 11 O'CLOCK or FARRIER ATTACKS HEINKEL.

I love the album but I wish we got more. So many good varations.
At least, I wish they would release STRETCHER CARRY like they did with NO TIME FOR CAUTION.


badbu2017-12-08 10:03:09
Ahmad you're so right :-)
Maybe we get the FYC :D


Ahmad2017-12-08 11:17:14
After watching the scene again, I'm sure it's HEINKEL 11 O'CLOCK.

@badhu Unfortunately, WB has been sending the commercial albums to critics and voters for Dunkirk and BR2049, so I kinda lost hope on an FYC unless things change.

Goodness Hans, do you have to do this to us on almost every movie? :D


Iamtommie2018-03-06 15:37:59
Anyone know a chronological order

Scorefan reply Replies: 11 || 2018-03-05 05:03:44
And once again, another nomination to Hans and he didn't win.


Anonymous2018-03-05 05:17:30
Second time he beat HZ


Kingfannypack is the Milfcommander2018-03-05 05:48:43
I haven't even listened to The Shape Of Water, or much Alexandre Desplat other than Harry Potter. Does Desplats score deserve it?


Everan2018-03-05 06:42:38
Yes


Iamtommie2018-03-05 09:55:12
Desplat's win for The Shape of Water is as it should be. But Zimmer should have won for Interstellar. That score was way better than The Grand Budapest Hotel. In my opinion Interstellar was a wel done and inventive score. The Grand Budapest Hotel was in my opion a fun score but not an score for an oscar win


Ds2018-03-05 10:08:33
Desplat's score is worth a listen if you're into that nostalgia mood, otherwise I think it's a non-event. It's your typical french sounding Desplat score, it goes well enough with the movie but doesnt do anything special. The exact same score for a non-oscar-bait movie wouldnt even have been nominated, but that's how it usually works :-)


JBSO992018-03-05 10:30:48
I agree with Iamtommie. Desplat's win this year was deserved (I say this because I didn't like Dunkirk that much). His score works really well inside the film and also outside of it, although it may get a bit repetitive for some.

But Zimmer's Interstellar should have won that year because his score was almost perfect and I would say is one of his best since Inception. Grand Budapest Hotel was really funny and it's also great but not better than Interstellar. Also, Desplat's scores are usually of the likes of the academy so he has more possibilities to be nominated and win, while Zimmer, well, you know, he does not get that much recognition in awards (not that he needs it anyway)


Fares2018-03-05 11:58:58
It looks that Oscar's community didn't like Electronic soundtracks and orchestral soundtrack always Was the First Choice(Except Gravity of Course)


Ds2018-03-05 13:01:22
@Fares: Gravity was the only year in a loooooong time where I agreed with the Academy on Best Original Score.
There's also The Social Network which weirdly enough managed to beat Inception and How To Train Your Dragon, while being the most electronics-driven score of the pack...


mpolonest123 2018-03-05 13:20:10
To be fair, The Shape of Water really did deserve it this year. Alexandre is a composer who’s never wowed me, but the score in context of the film was excellent. And yes, Hans should have won for Interstellar.


Edmund Meinerts2018-03-06 09:27:22
"The exact same score for a non-oscar-bait movie wouldnt even have been nominated, but that's how it usually works :-)"

The sooner everyone realizes this about the Academy, the sooner everyone can go to not giving a shit about it, like me. Hell, Desplat could have written the single greatest masterpiece of music in the history of humanity, but if it was attached to a badly-received blockbuster it wouldn't have a whisper of a chance of being nominated.


Randy Watson2018-03-06 15:20:21
How the hell is a film about a mute woman who has sex with an amphibian creature an Oscar bait film??

Score Fan reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-06 14:12:11
Are you sure calling The Shape of Water Oscar-Bait makes sense? Have you followed Del Toro's career? This is the culmination of a long list of achievements and it just sounds a bit silly to call his film some sort of play for Oscar as it continues a very idiosyncratic form of engagement with fantasy. Desplat's score is part of this world as it captures both whimsy but also intertextual references. They both very much deserve the accolades.

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