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I have some questions about the score. If anyone has any answers or thoughts about these feel free to discuss below. Thanks! <br><br>Is the action motif in "Abduction" and "The Greatest Mission of All" Hot Rod's theme? It plays when he abducts Viviane and also when he and Bumblebee attack the Nazis. <br><br>Is the action motif in "Viviane Follows Merlin" the TRF theme? I don't think so, as it's not played anywhere else in the film, but I can't figure out whose theme it would be. Check out these timestamps for the motif, which pops up a lot throughout the track - 0:13, 3:54, 4:16, 4:32, 5:03, 5:37, 5:53 and 6:10. <br><br>Who does the new theme in "Purity of Heart" belong to? It is also used in the "Sir Edmund Burton Suite", as well as "Sacrifice", "Seglass Ni Tonday" and "Cogman Sings". My best guess is it's Burton's theme, but I'm not 100% sure about that. <br><br>And lastly, are the tracks "Vivian" and "Running Out Of Tomorrows" played at all in the film?haha hybrid :D made my day :) lolI honestly haven't checked and don't plan on doing it anytime soon ! lolHaha.... a yes or no was very hard for you?!... But thanks for the great information :)... lolYeah, Chappie really is one of the Z-Man's best scores as of late. For all the talk he does of innovating, both TASM2 and Chappie are pretty fresh as compared to BVS/Inferno/Dunkirk. <br><br>And yes, the film itself is a hot mess...
Why... why don't you check yourself with the film ? I assure you it's not that hard ! Might take some time but if you wanna find out... lol01. Main Titles (02:55)<br>02. Grandfather's House (05:13)<br>03. Bedtime Story (02:17)<br>04. Polish Monsters (01:27)<br>05. Postcard (00:52)<br>06. Arrival At The Island (01:11)<br>07. House Reveal (01:30)<br>08. Exploring The Home (04:21)<br>09. Pub Escape (00:42)<br>10. Welcome To The Loop (00:43)<br>11. Home For Peculiar Children (01:40)<br>12. Squirrel Rescue (02:30)<br>13. Enoch At Window (01:18)<br>14. Enoch's Dolls (01:40)<br>15. Phone Ring (00:37)<br>16. Horace Projecting Dreams (01:41)<br>17. I'll Be Here Forever (01:38)<br>18. Dying Rose (01:49)<br>19. Sneaking Out (00:45)<br>20. Ventriloquist Victor (01:09)<br>21. Victor's Tear (00:37)<br>22. Emma Blows Jake (05:24)<br>23. Cliff Hollow (01:29)<br>24. The Experiment A (03:22)<br>25. The Experiment C (02:40)<br>26. On The Rocks (02:44)<br>27. Baron Reveal (02:47)<br>28. Surprise Visitor (05:03)<br>29. Hollow Attack (05:51)<br>30. Raising The Augusta (02:06)<br>31. Blackpool (02:35)<br>32. 3 Weeks In Florida (03:15)<br>33. Handy Candy (03:55)<br>34. Peculiar Vs Baddies I (04:07)<br>35. Peculiar Vs Baddies II (03:28)<br>36. Jake Vs Jake (04:39)<br>37. Goodbye (06:50)<br><br>Hey Hybrid, Is This Complete?@giles -- ridicule Nolan fan boys and hammer Nolan's work, only to turn around and provide fanboy service to current hack Ridley Scott, destroying your own argument.Promotional Album has release date or we must wait until Lorne Balfe to upload the rest of the tracks?Djawadi basically confirmed that the Dragonstone piece would be on the OST in an interview he gave after the first spisode aired!<br><br>The music is really great in this season and the battle music in particular!
The score is really Chappie's prequelI really liked that variation. <br>And there have also been many variations on the Targaryen theme so I hope they include some of them like(SPOILERS) Danny arriving at Dragonstone or the one from the final scene from the previous episode or that variation when Job touches Drogon.there is a score in this movie? not noticed...saw chappie last week for the first time. what a bad movie...jesus...the score is okay but nothing specialAre you kidding me? Chappie I consider MILES above Dunkirk, and even Inferno last year...<br><br>Best of 2015....
They better included a track with the new variations of the Measter theme. Last episode agai. Had some great new music. Can't wait for this album.I'll never understand why so many people dismiss Chappie. I think it's a brilliant score, as interesting as it is entertaining. It's very melodic in a typical HZ fashion, the electronics sounds partly modern, partly old school, and it's got some fantastic cues. Really, one of my favorites HZ scores in the last few years.Most amazing soundtrack in a long time and better than the film.This is the best horror score ever! :-)@Evenstar Maybe (:
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Hans ZimmerLorne BalfeBenjamin WallfischAndrew Kawczynski
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Dunkirk
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  1. The Mole (5:35)
    Hans Zimmer (Sir Edward Elgar)
  2. We Need Our Army Back (6:28)
    Hans Zimmer
  3. Shivering Soldier (2:52)
    Hans Zimmer
  4. Supermarine (8:03)
    Hans Zimmer
  5. The Tide (3:48)
    Hans Zimmer (Sir Edward Elgar)
  6. Regimental Brothers (5:04)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe (Sir Edward Elgar)
  7. Impulse (2:36)
    Hans Zimmer
  8. Home (6:02)
    Hans Zimmer, Benjamin Wallfisch (Sir Edward Elgar)
  9. The Oil (6:10)
    Hans Zimmer
  10. Variation 15 (Dunkirk) (5:51)
    Benjamin Wallfisch, Hans Zimmer (Sir Edward Elgar)
  11. End Titles (Dunkirk) (7:12)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Benjamin Wallfisch (Sir Edward Elgar)
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New to RCP reply Replies: 32 || 2017-08-08 21:47:28
Okay so this isn't really just for Dunkirk, but rather all of RCP scores. I've just recently gotten into listening to all this; and frankly there is just so much to listen to that I don't know where to start. Any suggestions on where to start? Either by HZ or any of your fav composers in RCP?

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Michael2017-08-08 22:05:15
I'd recommend starting off with a score like Crimson tide or Unstoppable by Harry gregson-Williams. That''I'll give a general idea to what the RCP style. Another suggestion would be National Treasure by Trevor Rabin and all of John Powell and Steve Jablonsky's works.


mpolonest123 2017-08-08 22:40:53
Just to name some good ones from composers OTHER than HZ;

John Powell: How To Train Your Dragon 1+2, Pan, The Bourne Supremacy, Antz, Chicken Run
Harry Gregson-Williams: The Martian, Kingdom of Heaven, Shrek 2
Ramon Djawadi: Pacific Rim, Clash of the Titans
Steve Jablonsky: Transformers (mainly the 1st two but check out the others) Steamboy, Pain and Gain
Trevor Rabin: Armageddon, Deep Blue Sea, National Treasure
Mark Mancina: Twister


mpolonest123 2017-08-08 22:45:07
As for the man himself, check out these ones;
The Peacemaker
Hannibal
Interstellar
The Dark Knight
Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
The Rock


Rigby 2017-08-08 22:58:48
To add to these lists,

Genius, Lego Batman, Beyond Two Souls by Lorne Balfe

and

Sherlock Holmes, Angels and Demons by Hans Zimmer


James2017-08-09 00:12:13
Tarzan, Lion King, The Thin Red Line, Rain Man, Ice Age, Happy Feet, The Prince of Egypt, Last Samurai, GLADIATOR...

To name some of the most delicate .. :p


Pete2017-08-09 01:15:31
Also listen to

John Powell: Endruance

Lorne Balfe : Churchill , Beyond Two Souls and call of Duty


Shivering Soldier2017-08-09 08:58:09
Are there any cuesheets?


New to RCP2017-08-09 17:25:00
Thanks guys, really appreciate it! Loving all this music so far.


Mike (OTM)2017-08-09 22:51:42
Some of my essential Zimmer...

1990s/early 2000s:

—Crimson Tide + The Rock + The Peacemaker (all in the same style)
—The Last Samurai
—Gladiator
—Broken Arrow
—The Prince of Egypt
—Pirates of the Caribbean 1-3
—The Lion King
—Muppet Treasure Island
—Beyond Rangoon

Mid-2000s/2010s:

—Batman Begins + The Dark Knight + (if you listen to the complete score and the unreleased suites) The Dark Knight Rises
—Kung Fu Panda 1-3 (though his presence was more muted on the second one...)
—Sherlock Holmes, the first
—Angels and Demons
—Interstellar
—Inception (I know, I know...BWAAAAAAAAM)
—The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (inventive score in a comparatively stagnant era for Hans...)

And this is missing a whole lot, too. But it should get you somewhere.


babdu2017-08-10 07:33:36
and...BACKDRAFT!!! <3


Brent2017-08-10 09:06:51
Here's my ultimate RCP list. Good luck! Lol. I undoubtedly missed quite a few composers. Though, I feel like these 9 will give you a good idea on what RCP represents.

Those with a star next to it, I would give a listen to first.

Zimmer:
The Dark Knight
Angels & Demons*
The Da Vinci Code
Kung Fu Panda 3
The Prince of Egypt
Driving Miss Daisy*
The Lion King*
Pirates of the Caribbean (2 & 3)*
Interstellar*
Inception
The Lone Ranger
The Last Samurai*
Gladiator*
Pearl Harbor / Black Hawk Down
Backdraft*
Rush
Sherlock Holmes (1 & 2)
Planet Earth II (main theme)*

Powell:
Bourne series*
How to Train Your Dragon (1 & 2)*
Kung Fu Panda (1 & 2)
Pan*
Hancock
Happy Feet
X-Men: The Last Stand*
Mr. & Mrs. Smith
The Italian Job
I Am Sam
Chicken Run

Gregson-Williams:
The Chronicles of Narnia (1 & 2)*
Shrek series*
The Town
Kingdom of Heaven*
Arthur Christmas*
Cowboys Vs Aliens
The Martian*
Prometheus (main theme)
The Zookeeper's Wife
Gone Baby Gone
Monkey Kingdom*
Prince of Persia*
Man on Fire
Passionada

Jablonsky:
Transformers series (especially #1)*
Ender's Game*
Ninja Turtles 2*
Deepwater Horizon
Pain & Gain
A Nightmare on Elm Street
Steamboy*
Lone Survivor
The Island
The Last Witch Hunter
Your Highness*
D-War

Jackman:
Captain America (2 & 3)*
Turbo
Wreck-It Ralph*
Puss In Boots
Kong: Skull Island
X-Men: First Class*
Kingsman*
The Birth of a Nation*
The Interview / This is the End
Captain Phillips
Winnie the Pooh

Zanelli:
The Odd Life of Timothy Green
Disturbia
Pirates 5*
Into the West
The Ottoman Lieutenant
The Pacific

Balfe:
Lego Batman*
13 Hours
Genius
Ghost in the Shell (check it out on YouTube)
Terminator Genisys
The Bible series
Penguins of Madagascar
Home
Skylanders
Megamind

Mancina:
Moana*
Planes (1 & 2)
The Haunted Mansion*
Speed
Training Day
August Rush*
Tarzan*
Bad Boys

Rabin:
Armageddon *
National Treasure (1 & 2)*
The Sorcerer's Apprentice
Flyboys
Glory Road


Macejko2017-08-10 12:10:10
Unvelievable that the release is once again this botched. There are at least two absolutely crucial and intense cues missing; instead we get two unnecessary variations of Supermarine. Goddammit...


Macejko2017-08-10 12:22:26
Sorry, wanted to make it as a separate post.


meta2017-08-10 14:09:47
what pieces might those be? Supermarine was intercut throughout the film...and I don't recall another piece outside of OIL or Home


Macejko2017-08-10 14:28:43
What I have in mind is the intesifying cue at the very beginning (ends with Mr. Dawson's boat leaving harbour/planes breaking formation - very memorable moment IMHO) and then the nerve-wreckig music that plays during the first drowning sequence (it gets repeated once again later in the film). I was disappointed to found neither on the album.


Meta2017-08-11 01:55:47
You got good ears because I honestly couldn't tell the difference....Much of it to me sounded like Oil when it wasn't sounding like Supermarine, and then if it wasn't sounding like Shivering Soldier, it was sounding like Variation 15 or the Mole....


bro2017-08-11 05:56:11
It's not a matter of good ears, it's a really long, different and really good cue. It's probably the best cue in the movie.


Ahmad2017-08-11 11:37:16
That cue is too good not to be on the album! It starts with a short string variation of the first 2 minutes of Supermarine then slowly turns into a variation of the last three minutes of "The Mole". So it's a hybrid of Supermarine and The Mole.

I was surprised by how different the film version of "Home" was.


mpolonest123 2017-08-11 14:50:25
@macjeko I could be wrong but the drowning cue sounded like a more intense, extended version of that tension build riff at 2:12 in "Despair" from TDKR. I'm sure that the studio will put out an fyc for the score, much like they did interstellar...


badbu2017-08-11 15:38:41
@mpolonest123 i hope so!!! :-) they drop the fyc (interstellar) 1 month after the movie, right?


mpolonest123 2017-08-11 16:40:27
@badbu Usually they drop the fyc closer to awards season. If I had to guess, probably November or December. That is if it still can qualify for an award (considering the main theme is an existing piece of music/more than one composer is credited)


Backbiter2017-08-12 17:46:22
I con not believe that no one has putted the King Arthur's Soundtrack


Kingfannypack2017-08-13 06:26:08
I feel embarassed to ask, but what is RCP?


isildur2017-08-13 10:50:42
Remote Control Productions. It's Hans' film score company.


Anonymous2017-08-13 17:03:17
More like his studio than "company"


James2017-08-13 20:34:40
The "budget meeting" piece is really so much funny!


SPECTER2017-08-14 04:27:36
For Hans this the best list you'll find. Only his most Elite and melodical scores are on this list.

Crimson Tide
The Rock
The Prince of Egypt
Gladiator
The Last Samurai
King Arthur
Tears of the Sun
Pirates of the Carribean 1-3
Interstellar
Batman Begins
The Dark Knight
Man of Steel
Chappie


Mephariel2017-08-14 06:27:42
@Specter

I am sorry, you want a list with Zimmer's most elite and melodical scores and you left out:

Beyond Rangoon
The Lion King
Driving Miss Daisy
Angels and Demons

and instead...put Chappie? I mean, I like Chappie, but come on...



Ds2017-08-15 00:43:51
I'll never understand why so many people dismiss Chappie. I think it's a brilliant score, as interesting as it is entertaining. It's very melodic in a typical HZ fashion, the electronics sounds partly modern, partly old school, and it's got some fantastic cues. Really, one of my favorites HZ scores in the last few years.


Meta2017-08-15 02:39:50
Are you kidding me? Chappie I consider MILES above Dunkirk, and even Inferno last year...

Best of 2015....


badbu2017-08-15 07:21:27
saw chappie last week for the first time. what a bad movie...jesus...the score is okay but nothing special


mpolonest123 2017-08-15 22:41:58
Yeah, Chappie really is one of the Z-Man's best scores as of late. For all the talk he does of innovating, both TASM2 and Chappie are pretty fresh as compared to BVS/Inferno/Dunkirk.

And yes, the film itself is a hot mess...

JackAfrogarrix 2017 reply Replies: 12 || 2017-08-05 13:35:28
Best Movie Ever From Christopher Nolan And Awsome Score By Hans Zimmer. I See The Movie; It Intense War Film But Best Movie Ever Made .
And Hans Zimmer Had Made The Perfect Score With His Additional Music By Andrew Kawczynski, Andy Page & Percussion From Satnam Ramgotra

Great Work, Hans Zimmer


giles2017-08-05 14:33:05
Yep that post ^^^ pretty much sums up the already infamous Nolan fanboys. Delusional, illiterate teenagers who consider every movie this British hack makes to be DA BEST EVAAA. Can these kids be even more delusional and stupid? Doubt it. Oh and yes this score is one of Hans' weakest scores and he even knows it. Yet another example of how he's abusing his talent by working for that Nolan guy. Hans, if you're reading this, please go back to working with actual talented directors like Ridley Scott. What you and Ridley have accomplished is legendary. Do another one with him. And now cue the remaining 7 hardcore Nolan fan nerds who will start telling me how great that hack is by quoting critics and RT scores that no sane person cares about, and how I know nothing about film and film music.


Ds2017-08-05 15:02:47
Did you just reply to JackAfrogarrix? :-D


Joshua2017-08-05 20:53:17
@Ds LOL My thoughts exactly.


giles2017-08-05 21:30:53
Pay attention to what I said in my comment, not who I replied to. The stuff I said are 100% true, the entire world knows how dangerously stupid and ignorant these teen Nolan fannerds are, so don't try to avoid the topic by talking about other things.But if you're a butthurt Hack Nolan fanboy you would do anything to avoid the truth.Bet you also think this is the greatest HZ film score.


Ds2017-08-06 00:28:11
giles: please calm down, actually you are the one who sounds "butthurt" here. I have nothing against this movie, I actually liked it, even though it's far from Nolan's best. But it was too funny seeing such a serious and vehement anti-Nolan post right in reply to a standard Jack Afrogarix comment. Please have a look at the other soundtrack pages on this site, and learn to know this guy, you'll see he's not a Nolan fanboy. He's just... Jack Afrogarix.


Meta2017-08-06 01:40:05
Now, I don't think Nolan is a HACK. To me his movies are pretty much any storyline disassembled and put in different places, like a puzzle, to make the movie more nuanced and such. Which is nice, if you're into that kind of shit and are bored of straightforward storytelling antics...Tarantino does this sort of thing and many find it refreshing.

Still, I don't think he's a GOD either, because take away those little twists and turns that he does and you've got, again, a straightforward story which is much like any other story or movie...and if it wasn't for say, Zimmer and company, he may not have gotten such recognition as he's had over the years, so I don't think it's ALL his own doing.

I will say, however, he's no M. KNIGHT SHAMALAYAN.



James2017-08-06 02:39:57
Nolan interferes, but has never been decisive about the sucess of MV/RCP. On the other hand, Bruckheimer and co. Always have been.

But that doesn't deny nolans importance to zimmers career. He has been his refuge in recent years


Meta2017-08-06 14:25:08
Oh I agree, James. Bruckheimer before him, and now Nolan. Nothing wrong with that...I'd rather work with people who I dig than people I don't dig. But from all the Zimmer scores I've heard over the years I can tell when it's a listenable experience or just sound design. This one is more sound design than the former. I suppose Nolan grants him the leeway to experiment?

Anyway, I don't listen to Dunkirk unless I want to feel intense anxiety for over an hour...That's not exactly a good listening experience for me.



James2017-08-06 15:43:33
In a interview Hans said that score is a result of the work of a one man: Nolan, who led his hands and the other guys who worked with him. He said too that is the most collaborative work of his entire career. I think thatmeans a lot.



James2017-08-06 15:47:29
I think the director's choices prevaleid here.Nolan even apologizes for making the musicians play pieces so unattractives. Lol


James2017-08-06 16:37:35
Thank you,man!


Bolidzar2017-08-15 21:11:08
@giles -- ridicule Nolan fan boys and hammer Nolan's work, only to turn around and provide fanboy service to current hack Ridley Scott, destroying your own argument.

Kuba reply Replies: 0 || 2017-08-11 23:19:34
Joker easter egg?

imgur. com/a/Au3cS

Thanks for Hans @ Nolan - *****




ben reply Replies: 4 || 2017-08-03 23:17:32
whats the name of music in dunkirk trailer??


Ben2017-08-04 20:19:12
Please tell &#128546;&#128546;&#128546;&#128546;&#128546;


James2017-08-04 20:57:05
I'm also curious to know who is the author of this piece.

I think it's Hans Zimmer or somebody who worked with him (Balfe, Zack, Mazzaro ...) since no one has taken the credits so far.


Ahmad 2017-08-05 02:48:57
Which trailer?

60sec teaser = Zimmer

Trailer 1 = "The End" by Bobby Krlic + music specifically written for the trailer by an agency (not part of the score)

Main Trailer = Music by David James Rosen.


James2017-08-06 16:38:49
Thank you, man!

Miguel reply Replies: 4 || 2017-08-04 21:23:12
Looks like Balfe is doing Nightwing !!!!! Amazing news


James2017-08-05 02:17:56
Animation or live action?


Pete2017-08-05 03:09:10
Live action


theeaglesfan0052017-08-05 03:12:18
"news"

This is what McKay said on twitter:

"Don't sleep on @Lornebalfe !! Lorne is amazing and can do anything and there hasn't been a movie that's used his full potential...yet!"


Mike2017-08-05 05:42:15
Interesting what the director says about the lack of melody in recent super hero movies . He is true though and balfe sure can write a melody

Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 0 || 2017-08-04 15:07:36
The album arrived today. Glad to have it.

Dragonseeker reply Replies: 15 || 2017-07-23 23:35:32
Do you guys think Dunkirk will be disqualify from the Oscars because the score used Elgar's theme? Similar to how Johannson was disqualified for using Richter's piece.


Hybrid Soldier2017-07-23 23:42:34
Hans probably hopes so... Warner not so much... lol


Ahmad2017-07-24 00:04:47
Lol, why though?
But yeah I think it will get disqualified. Maybe it'll get a Golden Globe.


Laura2017-07-24 03:53:38
It was so obvious if you know Elgar's composition, Nimrod.


0-cool2017-07-24 22:50:09
Why would Hans hope so? He always seems to be proud and passionate about his Nolan scores and having scored a Nolan movie.


Hybrid Soldier2017-07-24 23:35:49
I'm only talking about o.s.c.a.r.s... Not Nolan !


Gotham Rogue2017-07-25 01:02:30
I think the big difference with Johansson/Richter vs Zimmer/Elgar is that Elgar wrote his Enigma variations in the late 1800s, whereas Richter wrote his piece in 2004. That being said, I hope Elagr's theme won't disqualify him!


Ahmad2017-07-25 05:40:16
I don't think it's about when the piece was composed, it's about how much influence it's going to have on voters. Apparently, the academy thinks that voters can't judge a score subjectively when existing music is used. Plus the credits and additional music won't help it's chances. I think the main difference between this and the Arrival situation is that Nimrod wasn't just pin dropped, it was reworked specifically for the film but it's still not original and "original score" is an important word to remember, plus it wasn't even reworked by Hans himself.



Waymann2017-07-25 09:07:11
Nah, i would rather have Dunkirk win both sounds award instead of the score award. The sound in Dunkirk is masterful and the score is woven into the sound design. As a stand alone not so strong... I think there are better scores this year who deverse the award more.


Zimson2017-07-26 11:16:41
The Academy is composed of 60+ year old bourgeois. They can't differeniate between score and songs on disney soundtracks and they'll often just vote for the score of the movie they liked best. Studios also tried to bribe academy members in the past. Big award season movies even have an "Oscar budget".
So who cares what they think? I'd rather look forward to the world soundtrack awards.


Gotham Rogue2017-07-27 08:24:01
The reason I believe it partially depends on the piece's composition date is because of copyright laws. Arrival had to pay rights to use Richter's piece, just like if it had used a pop song, and I believe this played a big factor in its disqualification. Elgar's piece is public domain now, so it would be like if a score had included a Mozart sonata (extreme comparison).


badbu2017-07-27 08:38:57
Bill Conti gets an Oscar...so...i think Hans get a nomination


Iamtommie2017-08-02 11:47:00
Last year John Ottman was on the Oscar shortlist for X-Men: Apocalypse. He used a piece of Beethoven in the track 'Beethoven Havok'. So if he gets on the shortlist for something like that I think Hans should get a nomination because I read in an interview that they used Elgar's theme but in tuere own way. They did something with layers or something. So I hope he'll get a nomination.


Mephariel2017-08-02 19:45:30
I am not sure if the music being public domain matters or not. Maybe someone else has a better understanding of this but didn't Lesley Barber got disqualified for Manchester By The Sea because she used classical composition throughout, including music from George Frideric Handel?


Gotham Rogue2017-08-03 17:55:19
Per Rule 15 II E of the Academy’s rules and eligibility guidelines, a score “shall not be eligible if it has been diluted by the use of pre-existing music, or it has been diminished in impact by the predominant use of songs or any music not composed specifically for the film by the submitting composer.”


Petre2017-08-04 05:04:20
In that case they should for the Oscars have zimmer , wallfish and balfe listed . It seems pretty obvious what everyone contrabuted

Mephariel reply Replies: 8 || 2017-08-01 04:02:39
Zimmer scoring X-Men: Dark Phoenix? Maybe? :)

https://twitter.com/HansZimmerLive/status/891995829187334145


badbu2017-08-01 07:40:39
never! Ottmann again ;-)


Edmund Meinerts2017-08-01 23:38:10
They oughta get Powell back!


Mephariel2017-08-02 01:53:42
Powell doesn't need another bombastic score. He already has Han Solo. If anything, I want to see Powell score something atmospheric.

Zimmer on the other hand, is due for a bombastic fun score.


Edmund Meinerts2017-08-02 14:50:53
Wrong. Powell ALWAYS needs another bombastic score. Can't write enough of them.

I mean, not that Zimmer isn't due as well!


Saurabh2017-08-03 01:41:26
The world needs more of bombastic Powell firing on all cylinders. His X-men 3 was the best for me with the crappy movie being unworthy of Powell's raw orchestral fury. Can't wait for Ferdinand.


isildur2017-08-03 09:31:30
If it was up to you Edmund, Powell will score every movie out there.


James2017-08-03 16:38:03
You remember of "Phoenix Rises"?


James2017-08-03 16:38:49
Would be amazing!

badbu reply Replies: 1 || 2017-08-03 07:33:04
Hybrid? Please...this is not a "info about upcoming scores" thread...can you delete it?


Tyler2017-08-03 11:32:36
Lol someones getting butthurt... if it bothers you that much then leave

Metrics reply Replies: 2 || 2017-08-03 04:29:34
Any news if Balfe is helping on Bladerunner ????? What he did on Ghost in The Shell was like a modern Vangeles .


Michael 2017-08-03 05:16:17
Have to agree with you because even though the film wasn't the best the soundtrack created another legal of what Vangelis would create . Was. It a fan of Balfe before but this showed a more interesting side to his style



Mephariel2017-08-03 06:45:16
It is curious that he chose Wallfisch. Maybe the score won't be as synth dominant as we thought? You would think he would go straight for Andrew Kawczynski (I am so glad he didn't).

Jijo reply Replies: 0 || 2017-08-02 11:27:59
Great analysis here !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVWTQcZbLgY

Scorefan reply Replies: 24 || 2017-07-29 20:11:48
Blade Runner 2049 to feature music by Hans Zimmer according to filmmusicreporter

h t t p : //filmmusicreporter.com/2017/07/29/blade-runner-2049-to-feat ure-music-by-hans-zimmer/


Blade2017-07-29 23:29:32
@Hybrid any news on this?


Hybrid Soldier2017-07-30 09:09:55
Well what to say, that's true !


JBSO992017-07-30 09:34:21
Well, that are great news. Since I knew from this movie, I was expecting Zimmer, Balfe or someone similar to them yo score this.
Johansson was the obvious choice because of his usual collaborations wish Tje director but I think thrir collaboration will be great.


Ahmad2017-07-30 13:32:28
I was already excited to see BR2049 and hear what JJ did with it, now I'm BEYOND excited. JJ & Zimmer? Awesome.


Andrew 2017-07-30 15:05:08
The Ghost in the Shell score was amazing . It was very Vangelis but more modern . Hope Zimmer does something like this .


Bill Koufo2017-07-30 20:10:32
Is Hans going to get a composer credit for BR, or just Additional music?


James2017-07-30 20:56:16
Good question.
It's hard to imagine how much work he could produce in those 10 days.
I suppose he will be credited as co-composer, as in the TV series in which he does just the main theme.


Hedon2017-07-30 22:47:04
He has enough composers to compose a full score in 10 days if they need it. Back in the old days Hans did a full score pretty much himself in a couple of weeks, with 90's digital equipment.


James2017-07-31 01:00:45
In this case, these are just a few cues.


Paters2017-07-31 03:22:28
The Ghost in the Shell was very Vangelis but with orchestral elements . Worked very successfully .


Mike782017-08-01 02:15:38
Very true about Ghost sounding vangeles but the orchestra was stunning and brought life to the electronic score - wish they would release the soundtrack now


Saurabh2017-08-01 04:04:41
I think Wallfisch will handle the bulk of the duties here with Hans overseeing the production with little actual contribution. Wallfisch has tremendous talent when it comes to orchestral works but I'm not aware of his electronic chops.


Waymann2017-08-01 09:03:52
In my opinion Wallfisch delivered the best score of the year so far from RCP. A Cure For Wellness is a fantastic score and him working on Blade Runner 2 sounds promising.


MrZimmerFan2017-08-01 10:00:54
You forget the next Friday is releasing his next score: Annabelle 2 and for September, IT



Waymann2017-08-01 10:26:59
Didn't know he was going to do Annabelle 2. Not a big fan of horror scores though but we'll see what he comes up with. Movie gets great reviews so hopefully this will be something.


Waymann2017-08-01 10:31:57
I also just found out that Wallfisch did 2 of my favorite cues on the Atonement soundtrack. Elegy for Dunkirk and Denouement. Funny he worked on Dunkirk and did music for that masterful long take in Atonement at the Dunkirk Beach.


isildur2017-08-01 11:36:42
@Saurabh I don't think it's exactly true. Hans' Rollingstones interview mentions he is working in the nights while he's touring.


James2017-08-01 16:22:36
@Waymann

Marianelli composed these tracks. Wallfisch was one of the orchestrators and conductors.


James2017-08-01 16:27:00
@Isildur

He says he worked during the break between presentations in Europe and the United States.
In another May interview he said composing on the bus, but I believe he was talking about Dunkirk.


Waymann2017-08-01 16:27:59
Yeah, just read it too when I dove a little bit deeper into that score. But still a small connection to Dunkirk ;)


Mike2017-08-01 17:08:53
I wouldn't say Cure was the best score !!!!! Balfe and Zimmer's score to Genius was ..... GENIUS !!!!


isildur2017-08-01 18:47:02
@James. Yes I remember. But that was while touring the EU. This Rollingstones interview was very recent when he came back to US for his tour and he also said "My lawyers told me not to talk about it". It's not like he can't talk about Dunkirk now. That just leaves BR2049.


Mike (OTM)2017-08-01 19:41:29
Hans once said during a Reddit AMA that, if he could score one movie that another composer got to first, it would have been Blade Runner. He also said he loves what Vangelis did. So this should be interesting indeed.


Waymann2017-08-02 08:48:41
@Mike Nah, i'm probably the only one here but I didn't think much of the Genius score...

babdu reply Replies: 0 || 2017-08-02 07:19:52
btw...this is the thread for Dunkirk...

Dragonseeker reply Replies: 30 || 2017-07-28 18:10:41
From RollingStone.com

Between Zimmer's Europe and America tours:

"His own break wasn't much of one. He says he went back and worked on a soundtrack until 2 a.m. every night. (As for which movie: "My lawyer actually said to me, 'You know when you sign these non-disclosure agreements, this one, please take it seriously and don't even tell your family.'")"

What movie do you guys think he is working on? Can't be Blue Planet II since we know about that. And can't be Dunkirk.


Ahmad2017-07-28 18:17:29
I have a guess in my head but I'm still doubting it... Clue: RH.


James2017-07-28 19:09:53
RH = Ron Howard?
I do not think so.
He has never been involved with SW before. And JP does not need it.
Warner maybe(Justice League).
Or some future project.


Dragonseeker2017-07-28 19:27:18
RH stands for Ron Howard? The only score that makes sense was Han Solo but John Powell is scoring that.


Ahmad2017-07-28 21:12:35
Oh! I didn't know about John Powell's involvement. That debunks the theory.
Well, he was done with Dunkirk before he went on the European leg of the tour. Justice League is in the hands on Elfman. I don't know. Is there a big movie coming up that requires this secrecy?


Ahmad2017-07-28 21:14:04
*hands of Elfman


James2017-07-29 03:14:08
The next Bond movie of 2019? ^^



James2017-07-29 03:15:35
Or maybe a little project.


Lynk2017-07-29 07:06:32
What known upcoming films could be considered important enough to warrant a NDA clause in a contract...

If it is something that requires the composer to work until 2am straight after a concert everyday then I reckon it must be something with a very tight schedule. Likely a 2017 title.

Blade Runner 2049 and Geostorm could be candidates here - assuming he is still not willing to do another superhero flick.

Han Solo can only become a JP/HZ collaboration at worst. No way is Hans letting his friend out of this one; especially not after the big announcement.


Joshua2017-07-29 07:44:34
The Lion King?......


geheim2017-07-29 09:12:11
I hope it is Lion King, I'd love to see Hans coming back to this :)


anon2017-07-29 16:36:51
apparently Zimmer and Benjamin Wallfisch are contributing to BR2049??


Ahmad2017-07-29 17:06:45
Amazing if true!


James2017-07-29 18:27:51
Marketing maybe? ;)


anon2017-07-29 19:18:16
Confirmed by DV
pressreader com/france/studio-ciné-live/20170628/282007557396521


isildur2017-07-29 19:59:34
Can you translate what exactly it says?


anon2017-07-29 20:50:00
Johann composed the main theme…but given the scale of the task, Benjamin Wallfisch and Hans Zimmer joined the team to help Johann. We have Johann's breathtaking atmospheric sounds, but I needed other things also, and Hans helped us.


isildur2017-07-29 21:05:42
Thanks.


Hedon2017-07-29 21:22:04
Yes, they needed Hans' broad expertise on synthesizers and electronics to create a proper soundscape and someone who could actually create a theme. Apart from Vangelis, Zimmer would be the obvious choice. It bothers me they didn't hire him from the start, imagine what he and his team of electronic score artists could have done with this.

Actually I would have liked to see a collaboration between Harry Gregson-Williams and Zimmer for this one. In The Martian, HGW proved he could make Vangelis like sounds and melody. I'm not sure how skilled Wallfish is in the world of electronic music, but for the orchestral parts he would be suited. I would like to see Matthew Margeson on board as well for additional music. Even Andrew Kawczynski as solo composer would have been a better choice than Johansson for this movie.


0-cool2017-07-29 22:01:56
So with Wallfisch also being involved it means that it won't be all electronic? Or is Wallfisch adept in synth?


Mpolonest123 2017-07-29 23:32:05
So glad to hear this! I honestly think Wallfisch is the next Lorne Balfe in terms of increasing popularity (and he's just as talented). I wonder if this was a result of the focus groups? Johann Johannsson isn't a bad composer but I can't see him doing a convincing BR score.


Dimitris Krommidas2017-07-29 23:48:48
Can't find enyone else better than Zimmer &#964;&#959; do this.
He always says he loves Blade Runner and Vangelis.


Andrew2017-07-29 23:49:18
I wouldn't say Ben is the next Lorne Balfe !!! Balfe's writes amazing melodies and has a unique style . Original like Powell etc . Hope he is working on Blade Runner especially after watching Ghost in The Shell.


James2017-07-29 23:52:45
These are sad news.
Means that none of the three composers will be 100% invested in the project.


James 2017-07-29 23:56:37
@Andrew

Ben is a composer undoubtedly better than Balfe, but I think he did not refer to the quality of the your work body, but to his constant collaborations in Zimmer's recent projects.


mpolonest123 2017-07-30 00:07:51
Never said he was more talented than Balfe, but he's definitely someone with a great sense of writing themes and style. Just listen to A Cure for Wellness or any of his collabs with Zimmer. Obviously he doesn't sound like Balfe, just like Zanelli doesn't sound like Djawadi.


James2017-07-30 00:38:54
Yes. You did not say, I did.

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What @Andrew understood

"I wouldn't say Ben is the next Lorne Balfe !!! Balfe's writes amazing melodies and has a unique style."

He compared the two showing preference to Balfe. I responded showing preference to Wallsfish and explained that the your quote there referred to the fact that Wallsfisch is always putting together with Zimmer's recents works as Lorne did/does.

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"Wallfisch is the next Lorne Balfe in terms of increasing popularity"

Wallfisch was already internationally known before even collaborating with Zimmer. This is a fact.


Miguel 2017-07-30 00:58:00
Hope Balfe is working on this with Zimmer because if they have the same electronic sounds as Ghost in the Shell then it will be amazing .


Mikel2017-07-30 01:01:22
Have to agree that Balfe's music is definatly much better . Assassins Creed and
Call of Duty will always be high on my list of soundtracks


Anton2017-07-30 01:31:53
Asssassins Creed Washington was one of the best game scores ever


mpolonest123 2017-07-30 03:43:26
@James
I know, I was just clarifying that I don't necessarily want to compare one to another. And Wallfish was known before but it seems that he is starting to get more individual high-profile projects now. Really excited to hear what he is going to do for "It".

Back on topic, I really am glad Zimmer is on board for this project. Considering one of his big inspirations was Vangelis it makes perfect sense.

Farid SEFFAR reply Replies: 2 || 2017-07-29 00:21:17
Hello
I'm looking for the name of the music used in Dunkirk's trailer.
Here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lRVyHvvtCo
Thank you


Ahmad2017-07-29 01:55:29
The trailer uses two tracks. The first one is "The End" by Bobby Krlic and the second one was made specifically for the trailer by a music agency and is yet to be released.

Of course there's a lot of editing and tweaking done to "The End" by music editors.


Farid SEFFAR2017-07-29 18:05:30
Thank you Ahmad for this information, what interests me is the second piece. so i will wait for its publication. thanks again.

freak reply Replies: 1 || 2017-07-29 06:44:19
Please release the complete soundtrack


Bob2017-07-29 06:50:32
Few Missing cues
1) English Only ( Carrying the stretcher)
2)Torpedo ( Tom and Alex Evacuation)
3) Moonstone passing by destroyer
4) Collin's crash landing

Soroush reply Replies: 1 || 2017-07-28 22:08:38
When I listened to this for the first time, I remembered the difference between Gravity score(by Steven Price) and Interstellar score(by Hans).
It's a personal opinion, but I think there is a difference between this score and Fury(again by Steven Price) which is similar to what I mentioned earlier.

it's too exciting for me. The way that each composer looks at things and finally an extraordinary artwork appears.


Catastrophic Jones2017-07-29 03:04:36
Not to mention Interstellar has the same number of tracks as gravity, and the same duration (maybe off by a minute) very interesting indeed...

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 0 || 2017-07-29 03:04:21
This comment from Hans is enlightening (and it encourages me, because it indicates that, despite his recent output, he's not so far gone):

"Can I say something rude? This score is Chris Nolan’s score. This movie is one man’s vision. It doesn’t matter if it was Elgar, or Hans Zimmer, or Ben Wallfisch — there was not a moment where I would move my hand where I wouldn’t feel Chris’s hand on my hand, reaching for the notes. This was the closest collaboration that I ever had with a director where even though he would never ever play a note, he somehow played every note that was in that score."

isildur reply Replies: 0 || 2017-07-28 23:17:29
Does anyone know exactly what Hans and Trevor were rapping at the end? I mean the lyrics? Hybrid? https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=82an6Zi8JBc

Ahmad reply Replies: 8 || 2017-07-27 16:15:06
Now that I've seen the movie I can say:

1- The album is pretty good. It's definitely not as bad as I thought it was, even though there are some stuff missing. I personally enjoy listening to it on its own.
2- The prologue music is NOT in the movie.
3- The cue that starts as they carry the stretcher is a variation of Supermarine (the first 3 minutes melody-wise)
4- I knew that drum break in Supermarine at 5:30 is too good to be in the movie. (Maybe it is, I'll pay more attention next time I see the movie again)
5- I love how they incorporated Elgar's theme in a very dark and twisted way throughout the score then introduced it in a very uplifting way. I got goosebumps.

To me personally, it would've been a perfect release if they had included the music from the prologue on the album.


...2017-07-27 17:17:46
What is the prologue that you refer to? I remember the opening of the movie having the first part of the Mole playing.


Ahmad2017-07-27 18:52:40
There was a 5 minute prologue (it was more like a montage than a prologue) It was attached to IMAX screenings of Rogue One and Kong: Skull Island.


...2017-07-27 19:09:10
All right now I understand... How was the prologue music?


Ahmad2017-07-27 19:56:47
The prologue music builds on the music from the very first teaser with lots of rhythmic variations. It has a very ominous sounding hum in the background and some sounds that are very hard to describe but are very addictive. Also, the tempo changes throughout the prologue. A lot of people disagree with me (some think it's nothing special) but I think the track should've been released.


badbu2017-07-28 08:03:30
Many Cues are "Film Versions"...so let's hope for the FYC Score :-)


Guitwo2017-07-28 15:41:32
According to Nolan, to get the very best version of the soundtrack you need to rip the music out of the film entirely.
As the music runs throughout the movie without stopping up until the very last moment of the movie then goes back in.


babdu2017-07-28 15:56:44
yeah i know...-> isolated Score (DVD Release) :P


Ahmad2017-07-28 17:42:19
I wish they would include an isolated score track on Blu-ray but don't put your hopes too high. We'll probably end up with extracts that include sound effects. I hope they include the prologue on BD tho (since it's not an actual sequence from the film). It's 5 minutes of brilliance.

Hedon reply Replies: 0 || 2017-07-28 12:31:23
I hear Andrew Kawczynskis voice (Chappie-ish sounds and rhythms) all over this. Sounds to me he was heavily involved with the crafting of this score. I am surprised to not see his name on the track credits here. I assume this will change later on when/if the complete score gets released.

Also certain sounds and parts are very reminiscent of Steve Jabolonsky's "Heed our warning" from Transformers:Revenge of The Fallen. In addition both the opening of We Need Our Army Back and Shivering Soldier has enough in common with Stay and Fight from Transformers:The Last Knight that would make me think Steve was involved with this score.

The Elgar variations are incredibly beautiful and very well done. The rhythmic synth bass underneath it sounds very Zimmerish. Especially during the start of End Titles. Is this Zimmers construct, or Balfe?

Jack reply Replies: 9 || 2017-07-21 14:56:18
Divisive opinion:
I honestly wasn't crazy about the film. It wasn't bad, and the score was very appropriate, but I felt they could have done something different to not just be visually engaging, but emotionally engaging. Maybe I'm crazy, I'm seeing it again today, but that's my initial reaction.


Adam2017-07-21 15:07:07
It probably felt less emotionally engaging because we've been fed with emotions like friendships, love, joy or sorrow in most of the films. Dunkirk was emotionally engaging with emotions like fear of death, longing to go home. Hope this gives you another perspective


Bolidzar2017-07-21 21:14:17
I agree. This to me was Nolan's Revenant. Good looking cinematography, but almost no story and zero emotional connection to anything happening. I disagree with Adam. It doesn't drudge up negative feelings either because, unless you have an explicit connection to the Battle of Dunkirk, it doesn't try to give anything meaning. The film was everything I feared when I saw the trailer, boring and limited in depth. As I was leaving I heard someone describe as a documentary, but I wouldn't even call it that. It is like an art film, definitely not for everyone. I'd probably call it a historical recreation on film.

As for the "music". It definitely fit the "movie" in that it hardly was the fundamental thing it is described as. Mostly droning noise, air, or ticking. Not for everyone and not really listenable either.

Overall this felt like a pop-avant garde project. Maybe Dunkirk is something extremely culturally relevant in England? Like still present in the vernacular? I don't know but this movie fails to take add anything to the human experience. It does not transcend its basic scenario and title. Dunkirk. That is it.


Meta2017-07-22 03:26:50
I have to agree on the soundtrack being mostly unlistenable...

This is nothing like Inception, or even Interstellar.

I seriously doubt there's going to be a big stink made about any track from this score the likes of "No Time For Caution" back in 14...

I tried...I tried real hard to find something to keep me interested in this score, but I personally couldn't find anything. Most of it is tension building noise. I'm sure it's great within the film, but outside the film? Not so much.

I guess Zimmer is on "retirement mode" now...He's slowing down and not wanting to produce the rockin stuff that he used to...I can't blame him, but still...This score sounds like a total experiment.


meta2017-07-23 07:10:46
Found one of the main themes.....

Sounds pretty much like the rising music in Pirates 2 when the Kraken shows up to eat Jack Sparrow....


Ruth2017-07-23 17:11:05
This was one of the most emotionally engaging movies I have ever seen. I suspect it has to do with the fact that my father was a WW II vet who was on a ship going through the Straits of Gibraltar when they were bombarded by German airplanes. The selection of Elgar's Nimrod was a stroke of genius. It rises and falls like the ocean, like a wheezy organ. I wept. This movie is a tribute to the Everyman who did his or her part. We need to be reminded.


Jazzy2017-07-25 01:09:53
Bolidzar


Jazzy2017-07-25 01:11:44
'The film was everything I feared when I saw the trailer, boring and limited in depth.' -spoken like a faceless Nazi


Bolidzar2017-07-27 20:43:14
@jazzy -- natürlich. Any criticism must mean I am a Nazi. Spoken like a modern U.S. Democrat.


,2017-07-28 03:01:53
Which US democrats call people "nazis"? This victim culture is embarrassing.

Meta reply Replies: 3 || 2017-07-26 14:12:16
Supermarine/Dunkrik "theme".

Think back to Pirates 2. The scene where Jack thinks he has the Heart of Davey Jones and he's on the ship getting the hell out of there. Suddenly, Davey Jones ship rises up from the water to block them...You hear a rising tune....

It's the exact same tune used for Supermarine/Dunkirk...

Meh.


badbu2017-07-26 14:19:45
Backdraft -> Gladiator -> POTC...everything is similar


bro2017-07-27 09:52:17
The orchestral intro to "it's on again" (also outro of "You're that spider guy", just not with the percussion from TASM2) was re-used all over the Dunkirk score as well. The bass line for it is pretty obviously or very similarly re-purposed in a few places.


bro2017-07-27 09:53:40
Just listen to "The Oil" for an example

DabMaster69 reply Replies: 11 || 2017-07-22 19:27:21
Saw the film again last night and there are a ton of great cues missing, especially from the first half of the film. It's a crime the cue when they carry the stretcher onto the ship wasn't included.


Waymann2017-07-22 20:06:25
Yeah, was also looking for that track.


Gotham Rogue2017-07-22 20:56:33
That was one of my favorites, wish it was on the OST.


Medigo2017-07-23 20:54:22
I'd also like that chilling piece from when the ship sinks

other than that, not that much I desire


Mortifer V.2017-07-23 23:08:22
I wanted that track as well!!! recording sessions when :'(


Samuel Jacob2017-07-24 08:02:10
I vote for that song as well! Violin Staccato slowly going in and out of tune! Love it.


Waymann2017-07-25 11:27:11
No "No Time For Caution" scenario for this piece of music ? ;)


badbu2017-07-25 11:31:57
hahaha :D so fu*** up... :D


Andreas2017-07-25 11:49:41
The score is one of Zimmer's most amazing ever. There may not be big melodies but in context to the film, it is a masterpiece . Obvious to hear Balfes contributions also.


Guitwo2017-07-25 14:42:57
there is one stressful cue when in a place tom hardy attacks for the first time and it's going louder and louder, faster and faster. like we follow his heart's pace and adrenaline. it's like a big maelstrom


nolzim2017-07-25 19:21:05
OH MY GOD!!! the movie was AMAZING!!! But so many Cues are missing :((((


Fil2017-07-26 10:17:47
I hope that recording sessions will be released...i'm little disappointed, that some tracks are missing and some of them sounds very differently than in the movie..

Spoiler reply Replies: 1 || 2017-06-23 16:10:30
If there is a scene where they try to dock to an rotating boat, this epic music won't be on the album :D


Tim2017-07-25 13:43:28
What I said one month ago, has happened again -.-

Raghunath G Nair reply Replies: 0 || 2017-07-24 13:18:57
Does anyone know what all instruments are incorporated in the entire if track by track details available.It would be great!

SPECTER reply Replies: 4 || 2017-07-22 17:06:59
I Love Hans' stuff but this score didn't really do it for me. I don't see how people are repping this as Oscar worthy but trash something like CHAPPiEs score, something with actual emotion and melodies.


Ds2017-07-22 17:45:46
The answer is: Christopher Nolan ;-)


Mephariel2017-07-22 19:39:36
I don't think emotion and melodies = Oscar worthy. Dunkirk's score fits in with the movie far better than Chappie.


Boldizar2017-07-24 06:04:40
To me an award winning score should both fit with and purposefully amplify the film and be something you want to hear. Dunkirk fits well theoretically, but it isn't enjoyable to hear. Interstellar did both and that lost.


Mephariel2017-07-24 07:03:38
I don't think that makes sense though. Why should an artist have to go against the director and compromise the music of a film just to win an award? The best original score should be judged based on how well it serve the film and nothing more. Or else no body will want to score a political thriller.

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 0 || 2017-07-24 02:25:52
Are the above credits with only Hans complete or not? If they are, then it's interesting how much of this album is just Zimmer. Even if it is an exercise in musical intensity more than anything else. I have to yet to see the film, but the score isn't as bad as I was worried it would be. In fact, most of it's just fine, and I look forward to hearing it with the film. It certainly does raise the pulse when you listen to it. It's like dread in musical form.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 4 || 2017-07-22 19:50:10
Nolan's liner notes, which explains a lot on the score :

"British people are raised on the story of Dunkirk. The events of the evacuation are sacred ground, not to be ventured onto without great care. Daunting for a filmmaker. But the things that place Dunkirk so firmly at the heart of a nation's self-image are the very qualities that make it one of the greatest stories in human history. Irresistible to a filmmaker.

This film required a remarkable creative team, and Hans Zimmer, as well as having been a valued member in the past, knows how to assemble his own great team. From our first meeting, where I described to the percussionist, Satnam Ramgotra, the unusual rhythmic structure of the script and how it needed to be amplified by the music, through the finishing touches applied by Lorne Balfe during our last weeks of mixing, the importance of teamwork was paramount. The process nicely echoed the circumstances of the events we were trying to honour- a triumph of communal effort, not individual heroism.

When I called Hans one night with a one word suggestion- "Nimrod", I wasn't sure he'd accept experimenting with an existing theme for the climax of the film. To my surprise, he knew just who to call to achieve the deconstruction of Elgar's monumental theme, a theme as beloved to the English as Dunkirk itself, often played at ceremonial occasions and funerals. It's a theme which (I never admitted to Hans) I am incapable of hearing without feeling the surprising weight of my father's coffin on my shoulder. Hans brought in Benjamin Wallfisch, who, in collaboration with the great music editor Alex Gibson and myself, fashioned a modern reworking that grows out of the sights and sounds of the movie- tapping the original's resonances without feeling unearned. Hans's brass accents complete the piece's power to move without sentimentalizing.

Hans went on to incorporate Elgar's theme elsewhere in the score, a score that on this album has been divided into cues, but which in the film plays as one long piece with a unifying and complex rhythmic and tonal structure. The structure of the screenplay itself builds upon the shepherd tone concepts I first explored with composer David Julyan in the soundtrack for "The Prestige", but here Zimmer's team (in particular Andy Page and Andrew Kawczynski) and I added a whole new rhythmical structure. This can't be fully represented on the album, but in the film it is able to integrate sound effects and even story structure into the very fabric of the music in a new and unique manner.

The rigid structure, to which we adamntly stuck, at times proved frustrating for the musicians, but they persevered and produced extraordinary cues based on unusual solutions (such as a recording of my watch that Hans and his team adapted into many different rhythmic voices). The disciplined procedural approach stopped the music for "Dunkirk" from ever resorting to arbitrary cinematic emotionalism, something Hans and I always felt was vital, given the inherent emotional heft of the real life events. This has been a long and hard journey, but I am proud of the final results, and hope that you will share my appreciation for the talent of the artists who worked so hard for so long on this score.

CHRISTOPHER NOLAN


Mike (OTM)2017-07-22 21:00:33
My one hope is that this doesn't mean Chris Nolan will be tying Zimmer's hands behind his back for future scores. If he wants to do that here, okay. I can get over one score. But I hope Nolan doesn't keep calling for this non-melodic approach.


Will2017-07-23 10:49:33
What? Mike, this is definitely inherent to the Zimmer/Nolan relationship and to Nolan's absurd soundtrack direction. Two-note Batman theme ring a bell? Nolan hasn't just been tying Zimmer's hands behind his back. He's unwittingly brainwashed him and, subsequently, most of Zimmer's remote control production minions into thinking the way forward for soundtracks is in non-melodic, non-developing constructs.


Guitwo2017-07-23 17:12:36
@Mike Hans himself said sometimes a movie does not need a melody theme. It depends on the movie and the characters in it.
the main character here is fear threat and so on... in that regards the score respects that.

@hybrid: in order to have the full soundtrack we will then have to wait for bluray and rip the music & effect out of it. ^^


Mike (OTM)2017-07-23 18:15:11
Okay, point taken, but at least his previous scores for Nolan were obviously music and had an emotional presence. And the two note Batman theme was actually something Hans had to convince Nolan about. Nolan wanted this heroic theme that was left unused.

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