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Good questions....<br><br>I got nothing...Sorry!I just want to say that if CHAPPiEs score had been done with an orchestra or were to be remade with a live orchestra it would  instantly become a hit.I have some questions about the score. If anyone has any answers or thoughts about these feel free to discuss below. Thanks! <br><br>Is the action motif in "Abduction" and "The Greatest Mission of All" Hot Rod's theme? It plays when he abducts Viviane and also when he and Bumblebee attack the Nazis. <br><br>Is the action motif in "Viviane Follows Merlin" the TRF theme? I don't think so, as it's not played anywhere else in the film, but I can't figure out whose theme it would be. Check out these timestamps for the motif, which pops up a lot throughout the track - 0:13, 3:54, 4:16, 4:32, 5:03, 5:37, 5:53 and 6:10. <br><br>Who does the new theme in "Purity of Heart" belong to? It is also used in the "Sir Edmund Burton Suite", as well as "Sacrifice", "Seglass Ni Tonday" and "Cogman Sings". My best guess is it's Burton's theme, but I'm not 100% sure about that. <br><br>And lastly, are the tracks "Vivian" and "Running Out Of Tomorrows" played at all in the film?haha hybrid :D made my day :) lolI honestly haven't checked and don't plan on doing it anytime soon ! lol
Haha.... a yes or no was very hard for you?!... But thanks for the great information :)... lolYeah, Chappie really is one of the Z-Man's best scores as of late. For all the talk he does of innovating, both TASM2 and Chappie are pretty fresh as compared to BVS/Inferno/Dunkirk. <br><br>And yes, the film itself is a hot mess...Why... why don't you check yourself with the film ? I assure you it's not that hard ! Might take some time but if you wanna find out... lol01. Main Titles (02:55)<br>02. Grandfather's House (05:13)<br>03. Bedtime Story (02:17)<br>04. Polish Monsters (01:27)<br>05. Postcard (00:52)<br>06. Arrival At The Island (01:11)<br>07. House Reveal (01:30)<br>08. Exploring The Home (04:21)<br>09. Pub Escape (00:42)<br>10. Welcome To The Loop (00:43)<br>11. Home For Peculiar Children (01:40)<br>12. Squirrel Rescue (02:30)<br>13. Enoch At Window (01:18)<br>14. Enoch's Dolls (01:40)<br>15. Phone Ring (00:37)<br>16. Horace Projecting Dreams (01:41)<br>17. I'll Be Here Forever (01:38)<br>18. Dying Rose (01:49)<br>19. Sneaking Out (00:45)<br>20. Ventriloquist Victor (01:09)<br>21. Victor's Tear (00:37)<br>22. Emma Blows Jake (05:24)<br>23. Cliff Hollow (01:29)<br>24. The Experiment A (03:22)<br>25. The Experiment C (02:40)<br>26. On The Rocks (02:44)<br>27. Baron Reveal (02:47)<br>28. Surprise Visitor (05:03)<br>29. Hollow Attack (05:51)<br>30. Raising The Augusta (02:06)<br>31. Blackpool (02:35)<br>32. 3 Weeks In Florida (03:15)<br>33. Handy Candy (03:55)<br>34. Peculiar Vs Baddies I (04:07)<br>35. Peculiar Vs Baddies II (03:28)<br>36. Jake Vs Jake (04:39)<br>37. Goodbye (06:50)<br><br>Hey Hybrid, Is This Complete?@giles -- ridicule Nolan fan boys and hammer Nolan's work, only to turn around and provide fanboy service to current hack Ridley Scott, destroying your own argument.
Promotional Album has release date or we must wait until Lorne Balfe to upload the rest of the tracks?Djawadi basically confirmed that the Dragonstone piece would be on the OST in an interview he gave after the first spisode aired!<br><br>The music is really great in this season and the battle music in particular!The score is really Chappie's prequelI really liked that variation. <br>And there have also been many variations on the Targaryen theme so I hope they include some of them like(SPOILERS) Danny arriving at Dragonstone or the one from the final scene from the previous episode or that variation when Job touches Drogon.there is a score in this movie? not noticed...
saw chappie last week for the first time. what a bad movie...jesus...the score is okay but nothing specialAre you kidding me? Chappie I consider MILES above Dunkirk, and even Inferno last year...<br><br>Best of 2015....They better included a track with the new variations of the Measter theme. Last episode agai. Had some great new music. Can't wait for this album.I'll never understand why so many people dismiss Chappie. I think it's a brilliant score, as interesting as it is entertaining. It's very melodic in a typical HZ fashion, the electronics sounds partly modern, partly old school, and it's got some fantastic cues. Really, one of my favorites HZ scores in the last few years.Most amazing soundtrack in a long time and better than the film.
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jewen reply Replies: 0 || 2017-08-15 18:12:37
Promotional Album has release date or we must wait until Lorne Balfe to upload the rest of the tracks?

noregaaaa reply Replies: 28 || 2017-08-06 15:04:51
It's up to Clint and I don't think he's inclined to release his score at present because Clint was pretty sore that some of his music was replaced. (Right information. I'm so sorry.)


Hybrid Soldier2017-08-06 16:16:32
Who wouldn't be ?

The score was finished and ready for release and then... change of plans lol...


noregaaaa2017-08-06 20:53:25
Mansell doesn't want.


Zimmer's old student2017-08-06 21:46:33
Hybrid Soldier, please stop dropping "lol" every time you post here. I don't know how old are you, but not everything is 'lol' in this world. This situation in particular, there's nothing funny about it. P.S. You're not the only one with inside info and access to some of the composers. Have some respect and take these things seriously. Thank you.


Hybrid Soldier2017-08-06 22:17:48
I drop whatever I want, if my way of writing or my sarcastic cynical humor bothers you, then too bad for you, "old student".

I think I'm making enough promotion for free for composers around here and respect all guys I'm in touch with. Although, yes, no one found the cure to cancer here, it's film music, it's not a big deal "in this world", people get fired all the time, I will not act like it's a matter of life & death and cry for it. "lol" ;)


Felix2017-08-06 22:28:58
Right answer Hybrid!!


James2017-08-07 00:21:07
Do you guys get any help from Zimmer's company?


Hybrid Soldier2017-08-07 00:29:50
Nope.

It's been there for 16 years (I've been there for 9), but nope.


James2017-08-07 01:24:03
I've never imagined. I always thought he was treated as the official website (even though it was a result of the fans' effort).


ATonas2017-08-07 05:47:52
Apparently Clint does not want the score released . Even though it was a total re write , Balfe still used Mancells main theme. This is why he doesnt want it released . Good on Balfe for released the score . Great job


MThomson 2017-08-07 06:13:18
Has there ever been such a demand for a soundtrack that has. It been released ?
The score was better than the film . Is Balfe involved with Bladerunner . If so then it would be great if it sounded like Ghost in the Shell.


Gary2017-08-07 08:24:38
There are over 3000 people wanting a release . That is impressive


Olive2017-08-07 15:13:17
Was it a total rewrite?


Hybrid Soldier2017-08-07 17:31:29
James, it sort of is.

I mean Hans trusts us so we sort of have carte blanche (and if Remote isn't happy with something, they just tell me), but technically they don't own nor participate in it and I could ignore whatever they would want me to remove (which of course I don't, it's in the interest of... nobody) !


Evenstar2017-08-07 22:19:16
@ATonas How do you know this? Was there an interview you can refeer to?


noregaaaa2017-08-07 23:56:38
It's up to Clint and I don't think he's inclined to release his score at present. Maybe in time when the dust has settled. It's a great shame I know because it's a wonder score.


Micheal2017-08-08 15:46:45
Why is it up to Clint ? From all accounts Balfe replaced nearly the whole score ?


UKfimmguy2017-08-08 16:30:03
Any idea if we will get better quality links that the YouTube ones ?


noregaaaa2017-08-08 23:25:42
@Michael All score? We don't know this. Known, Mansell is nervous because him score replaced from studio/director.


Hybrid Soldier2017-08-09 00:17:32
Here's what the cuesheet says (doesn't mean it's 100% true lol) :

CLINT MANSELL

HOTEL ATTACK 1
HOTEL ATTACK 2
MOTHER’S LAMENT PT1
MOTHER’S LAMENT PT2
RAID ON KUZE’S LAIR PT 1
RAID ON KUZE’S LAIR PT 2
HOTEL SOURCE OC
TEAM GOES TO CLUB
DRIVE TO DAHLIN
KUZE’S LAIR
KUZE ENDING
PAGODA
TANK BATTLE ENDING
EC 5 - 1M08 CM
KUZE AT PAGODA

LORNE BALFE

1ST REPAIR OVERLAY
2ND REPAIR OVERLAY
ARRESTED
ARRIVE HANKA OVERLAY
BEDROOM_CITY (LIA)
CARJACK/ AMBUSH
CITY FLYOVER
CITY/BEDROOM
CUTTER KILLS DR
FINALE
HARBOUR DRIVE
HOLO ROOM
KUZE DRONE
KUZE KILLED
LOBOTOMY
LOGOS
MAJOR CHASES SKINNY MAN/ THE CUBE
MEAT FOR THE DOGS
POST GLASSPOST SHELLING/ LIES OVERLAY
PRE BEDROOM
PRE-FINALE
STREET GUN FIGHT
TANK BATTLE
THE CLUB
EC 2 - 1M06 LB
SHELLING

SAM ZEINES

PIANO CONCERTO 20
GET MY SWERVE ON

MARCOS ORTEGA (LORN)

GHOST IN THE SHELL CUES


James2017-08-09 00:21:12
@HybridSoldier

Yes, I understand. But it would not be a bad attitude on their part to provide full support for the site.

;)

@evenstar

Is not said in any interview. It's just an assumption of this. He made no mention of the score in all his interviews and even his Twitter account. He ignores the existence of the score.


James2017-08-09 00:23:09
Thanks for cuesheet


noregaaaa2017-08-09 01:21:03
@Hybrid Soldier Thanks for track list.


firasd2017-08-09 20:39:44
Guys I would ask that nobody make confident proclamations about what Clint Mansell is thinking if you don't have genuine information. As the person who started the petition the only information I can confirm is that there are contractual issues related to the fact that both composers were involved. But I got this confirmed info only a couple days ago after 4 months of all of us trying to figure out what's going on. I'm not against speculation but let's not pass off speculation as authoritative statements. Thanks!


mpolonest123 2017-08-10 01:29:13
@Hybrid I'm sure most of the RCP composers know about the "music leaks" (how else would they get out there) but I'm actually pretty curious; Does HZ himself know about these recording sessions popping up? Does he even care? Lol


Evenstar2017-08-12 15:38:00
Clint seems to be a crybaby...


noregaaaa2017-08-14 11:09:31
@Evenstar Maybe (:


Lorenzo2017-08-14 22:55:53
Most amazing soundtrack in a long time and better than the film.


badbu2017-08-15 07:53:47
there is a score in this movie? not noticed...

... reply Replies: 0 || 2017-08-14 10:18:16
you are all amazing! thank you for making this happen

Otto reply Replies: 0 || 2017-08-14 08:38:09
Really loving Balfe releasing the score every week . So crazy they will not release it because it is one of the best soundtracks this year . A classical Bladerunner . Well done

noregaaaa reply Replies: 0 || 2017-08-10 23:21:32
Lorne shared new track
https://youtu.be/UrBAnkW6584

Evenstar reply Replies: 4 || 2017-08-07 11:12:51
There will be a digital release:
https://twitter. com/Lornebalfe/status/894385603713712128


JBSO992017-08-07 12:22:59
YES!!!
Finally this amazing score will get released!
Thanks to Lorne Balfe for making this possible.


Lynk2017-08-08 06:06:23
One can only hope they are doing it properly. I am concerned that given Mansell's likely discontent, as described by a few posters in this thread, there may be some incentives to cut each and every references of his tunes from the prospective album. That won't be nice.


MrZimmerFan2017-08-08 13:45:20
More than a confirmation is more like a wish


Mike782017-08-08 15:43:36
Balfe's post on YouTube sound really cool and he said on twitter every Friday he is uploading tracks

Ahmad reply Replies: 9 || 2017-08-05 02:52:21
Lorne posted two tracks on Youtube.


Andrew2017-08-05 04:42:16
Finally !!! I've been waiting for this for ages .


JBSO992017-08-05 11:21:54
I hope this means that an official album release is coming.
There is still hope!


...2017-08-05 12:30:01
I doubt... He is just sharing some of his music, that doesn´t mean, that they will release it, even if we all would love that :/


meta2017-08-05 13:01:36
if you look on youtube someone has already pretty much ripped the score from the film...


Andres2017-08-05 19:49:21
It seems Balfe is releasing the soundtrack on YouTube . At least then we get to listen to


James2017-08-05 22:12:05
It's sad. His work deserves better treatment. Even a digital release.
Not just for him, but for Mansell too.


Steve2017-08-05 23:08:23
"OST teaser" sounds to me like it's going to be released, and this is just a teaser...


Mike782017-08-06 05:23:02
This is great Balfe is releasing the music because it has been too long waiting for this . Is it true Balfe is score producer for Blade Runner ? If so it will be hard to beat the Ghost score !


James2017-08-06 16:53:48
Hans did the Batman and Balfe the now will do the Robin.

noregaaaa reply Replies: 0 || 2017-08-05 09:40:57
The OST is coming.

antovolk reply Replies: 7 || 2017-06-04 14:43:12
Kevin Kiner posted two cues from the Mansell sessions:
kevinkiner.com/music


antovolk2017-06-04 14:44:04
The Leap and Don't Send a Rabbit to Kill a Fox. The Leap is specifically interesting to compare with the film version.


Michael Poleschuck2017-06-04 15:25:40
But that means that Kiner also write additional music for this, or not? Interesting and strange story with this soundtrack.


JBSO992017-06-04 16:28:55
So The Leap is not the film version? That's one of the cues Lorne rewrote I suppose. They're very good. I hope the story around this score slowly gets clearly explained


Simon2017-06-04 16:50:50
I asked Balfe about cues from Kiner and they were never used in the film. Hope there is an actual album


Edmund Meinerts2017-06-04 22:09:00
So now Kiner was involved with this score as well? The plot thickens...


antovolk2017-06-06 16:54:29
@Michael Poleschuck @Edmund Meinerts
Per the film's end credits, Kiner wrote additional music for the Mansell sessions.

@JBSO99
Correct. The film version of The Leap can be heard in the clips released online


antovolk2017-06-06 16:58:18
here's the link to the full credits
medium.com/@gitsost/ghost-in-the-shell-2017-score-credits-7e 5d9a5af324

DT-2017 reply Replies: 3 || 2017-06-05 12:59:38
Haha, I love how this has a fan rating even though it doesn't actually exist.


JBSO992017-06-05 16:03:13
Well, it exists the score in the movie so maybe this people voted based on the movie. Or maybe the voted just because, why not?


Anonymous2017-06-05 21:50:59
So many votes lol


Petro2017-06-06 00:05:30
I voted because the score was amazing . I watched the film 3 times and would love an actual album . Best score I have bought this year

antovolk reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-12 15:29:28
....any updates?


Randy Watson2017-05-12 18:10:48
According to one of the producers of La La Land Records, it won't be released


Ahmad2017-05-13 00:10:36
What a sh*t decision they made, it is bound to leak someday, and they'll regret not releasing it officially.


Zac2017-05-17 18:12:38
Won't be released from La La Land Records, or won't be released at all? Lorne is still actively retweeting the GITSOST campaign on Twitter...

... reply Replies: 8 || 2017-04-27 22:13:13
you added credits! finnaly we can see at least who was working on it, hopefully there will be release


JBSO992017-04-28 15:30:54
I hope so, but why Clint Mansell is not in here? And now Lorne appears as composer and not co-composer. Does that means that they will release only the Lorne score parts or something like that?


...2017-04-28 15:56:45
Clint is not part of Remote Control Productions, so that´s why he in not listed here


JBSO992017-04-30 09:34:29
I know that he is not part of RPC, but what about James Newton Howard. As far as I know he's not part of RCP. Did he was part of it during some time? Because you can see his collaborations with Zimmer in The Dark Knight and some of his other score but 2010 is the last year when a score from him appears in here.


...2017-04-30 10:09:02
Yes he was part of RCP... And it looks like to me that Trevor Morris is not part of RCP too


Hybrid Soldier2017-04-30 10:29:17
James isn't, but his studio is just 2 blocks away from RCP...


Michael Poleschuck2017-04-30 10:45:08
Cool!


JBSO992017-05-02 13:08:27
Oh, thanks for the info Hybrid. That's nice!


Zac2017-05-04 06:30:16
Does anybody have any updates on the status of this? The petition has garnered a lot of signatures and attention by now...

peter reply Replies: 0 || 2017-04-22 00:25:21
Can you at least upload here some extracts please?

antovolk reply Replies: 1 || 2017-04-21 15:35:10
Hybrid, have you heard anything new on this?

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JBSO992017-04-21 20:40:54
I hope this gets released soon. This score is just amazing. All those synths and so make it perfect and I say that having watching the film only once. Please release this!!!

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 8 || 2017-04-20 00:19:35
Having not seen the film and having no desire to waste my time, I am genuinely curious what the hype is all about.

For anyone who has seen it, what does it sound like? I love Balfe and Mansell, so this is pretty intriguing to me.


Ando2017-04-20 05:22:57
Not sure how to describe it reallly . Beautiful . Soulful . Electronic vibes and orchestral. Nothing like anything I've heard before at least .


Everan2017-04-20 16:55:12
Is it like Tron Legacy? More sinthy, less sinthy, orchestral and so on?


Ando2017-04-20 17:16:58
Nothing like Tron. It's a fresh approach of Wendy Carlos and classical.
Very emotional and unique


mpolonest123 2017-04-20 17:24:43
Interesting.

I heard a few comparisons to Terminator Genisys, but I'm really curious about Mansell's contribution.


David2017-04-20 20:17:13
It's very much like TRON :)


Ando2017-04-20 20:44:43
Tron wasn't original ! This is . Hints of bladerunner also


David2017-04-21 00:54:34
How isn't TRON original?


Ando2017-04-21 02:04:50
Listen to Bladrunner , Dark Knight and the original Torn !!!

Tomo reply Replies: 5 || 2017-04-13 15:11:20
https://www.change.org/p/paramount-release-the-ghost-in-the- shell-2017-soundtrack

A petition has been started to get the album released .


Everan2017-04-13 20:37:45
Signed! It worked on the first Transformers, let's hope history repeats itself.


Mike2017-04-13 22:43:29
Signed - hope this works


Anonymous2017-04-19 10:38:53
Is this petition gone? Haven't seen the movie but from what I read this score seem to be amazing so I want to sign.

Anyway not going to see the movie if there is no score release. it will only make me frustrated. What I don't know, I can't miss :)


Zac2017-04-19 20:08:55
The petition is still up! It appears that an extra space in the above URL was causing it to not work correctly. This one should work: https://www.change.org/p/paramount-release-the-ghost-in-the- shell-2017-soundtrack-gitsost


Zac2017-04-19 20:10:47
Annnnd it added the extra space again for some reason... Just copy and paste the url into your browser but make sure that the extra space between "the" and "shell" isn't there.

Micheal reply Replies: 0 || 2017-04-16 22:48:03
First clip of Ron Howard's show Genius that Lorne is composing is on line . https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyYqyYAKGC0

Music sounds pretty great .

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 3 || 2017-04-14 11:40:08
Someone said he talked with Balfe and the release of score:

I talked personally with Lorne Balfe and he said that him and his management are working on releasing the score, but no drop date has been issued


Pete2017-04-14 14:03:45
Signed . Really would love to listen to the soundtrack because it really stood out in the film . Amazing work


Ando2017-04-15 02:12:35
Just signed . Think this worked when they did it for Transformers . If they release this score - it could easily be my best score this year .


Thomas2017-04-16 00:05:50
defaintly would love this score. saw the film and the score was the best thing about it

antovolk reply Replies: 5 || 2017-04-12 16:42:50
Lorne is tweeting everyone that score release won't be happening.


Ahmad2017-04-13 04:17:18
This is ridiculous! I haven't seen the movie but I want to, and to think that I might enjoy the score but won't be able to listen to it by itself! Yikes.


Zac2017-04-13 04:53:14
I messaged him on Facebook last night and he just responded: "Hi Zac, no news at the moment . I think if there is enough of a request on social media then there will be a release . Thank you for the support though - lorne"

At least it sounds like there's a chance. It's just up to us now! I wonder what our best plan of action is... Tweeting at Lakeshore Records maybe?


Edmund Meinerts2017-04-13 08:35:39
Crazy that a film of this magnitude would not get a score release in this day and age.


antovolk2017-04-13 09:09:52
Well apparently Lakeshore don't have the rights to it anymore...


Zac2017-04-14 00:32:56
I messaged him on Facebook a couple of nights ago and he responded: "No news at the moment . I think if there is enough of a request on social media then there will be a release . Thank you for the support though - lorne"

And he just sent me this link this morning: https://www.change.org/p/paramount-release-the-ghost-in-the- shell-2017-soundtrack-gitsost

Joseph Solano reply Replies: 1 || 2017-04-12 23:31:31
This seems to be an Age of Ultron situation.


Anonymous2017-04-13 00:37:42
Uh Age of Ultron got a release. GItS is not :(

Phil7 reply Replies: 2 || 2017-04-09 19:26:30
Great score . I couldn't really tell who did what though but either way good job


rockhound2017-04-10 11:02:15
if it is hard to tell who did what, then it is a bit strange to hire balfe for help. because that means balfe wrote in the same style as mansell. so why did they hire balfe? or balfe wrote almost the whole score. then it makes sense, that there are no differences.


antovolk2017-04-12 16:53:28
think Balfe re-recorded most of Mansell's stuff?

Cyberpunk88 reply Replies: 1 || 2017-04-10 00:38:57
Really disappointed this isn't available (yet). Why can't they just put it on iTunes if a physical release is too much trouble..


Jim2017-04-10 01:45:44
Obviously there was more going on behind-the-scenes than just problems at the pressing plant. This release was canceled for more reasons than that (probably having to do with Balfe's involvement).

Joshua reply Replies: 45 || 2017-03-29 00:14:52
Balfe is scoring Geostorm as well. Dudes everywhere!


Scorefan2017-03-29 01:22:12
What happened with Pinar Toprak? It supposed she will make the score


Joshua2017-03-29 01:28:19
Apparently she was replaced.


Scorefan2017-03-29 03:15:29
Wow, it's a surprise. From what i know, the movie should have arrived in 2016 and she worked on the movie for almost two years when it was in production.


rockhound2017-03-29 09:04:11
jerry bruckheimer came on board for re-shots, so ofc they also have to change the score now. i like lorne, but a score by pinar toprak would have been really nice.


Edmund Meinerts2017-03-29 10:01:28
Well that is depressingly predictable. Pinar Toprak is incredibly talented, and it's not that Balfe *isn't*, but he's so ubiquitous. He's not the one in need of a big break. And for all Zimmer's talk recently of raising the profile of female composers in Hollywood...


rockhound2017-03-29 10:18:02
im sure its because bruckheimer wants his typical sound and for this type of movie, its no surprise, that he wants a rcp score. i was very surprised when bruckheimer accepted christopher young for Deliver Us from Evil. but that movie was not typical rcp territory and the director worked also with young before.


Hybrid Soldier2017-03-29 23:24:03
It's not about who "needs" a break or "deserve" it. She got a chance, she blew it in the mind of people making this (probably very lame) film.


SteveMusic2017-03-31 09:59:39
No one should get a movie because they need a break ! Also because of what sex they are . Maybe her score was bad ! That's not sexist . I'm looking forward to
Balfe's score for this


Peter2017-03-31 10:30:18
Why is it a shame that her score has been replaced ? If you don't do a good job then that is what happens. This will be EPIC . Balfe and Bruckheimer will be amazing .


Edmund Meinerts2017-03-31 12:44:05
Maybe it was bad. Maybe not. We don't know at this stage. All I DO know is that she's a good composer (based on what I've heard of hers previously), and she was likely tossed off the project not because of any fault of her score but because Bruckheimer wanted someone he was familiar with. Without giving her a chance to maybe rework her score instead.

Assuming the reason she was rejected is because she did a bad job is pretty naive.


rockhound2017-03-31 13:39:37
its clear, that it would have been necessary for her to rework the score, not because her score was bad, but because of the extensive reshots. we dont know if bruckheimer didnt want her to rework the music or she just had no time for it. but i also think, bruckheimer is the reason.


Samual2017-03-31 14:53:58
They probably also wanted a big blockbuster score . I haven't heard anything by
Pinar that is big size . She is a great writer but Lorne's music is another league


rockhound2017-03-31 15:14:11
pinar can combine synths with orchestra as good as lorne. her Behind Enemy Lines II shows that. and lets be honest, how can you proof, that you can write big size, if nobody gives you the chance to write such a score?


Edmund Meinerts2017-03-31 15:14:30
She wrote some great action music for The Wind Gods.


Filmmusicfan2017-03-31 15:28:33
It's pretty obvious . Lorne delivers and is a different league . Not sure why this is even a conversation !


Edmund Meinerts2017-03-31 15:39:41
We don't know anything about the situation, so no, it's not "pretty obvious". For all we know Toprak's score is the greatest thing ever composed, a mighty epic that would dwarf even Star Wars or the Lord of the Rings. Alternately, it could also be a great big pile of crap. So you have no foundation for saying that Balfe is "in a different league", none whatsoever. Neither would I for assuming Toprak's score would be better than Balfe's - which is why I never said that, and never will, until I actually hear both scores.

This is what I do know: Lorne Balfe, while a good composer, is hardly starved for work. Pinar Toprak, also a good composer, rarely gets any (especially not on a big effects-driven spectacle like this). That makes this rejection personally disappointing to me as a film music fan.

Incidentally, I wonder if any of these people shitting on Toprak have even heard a note of her music?


rockhound2017-03-31 15:48:03
it gets a bit boring, that lorne is "everywhere" at the moment. if bruckheimer wanted someone from rcp, mark mancina would have been a more interesting choice. im already happy that geoff zanelli composed the new Pirates and not zimmer. and lets face reality. they hired bruckheimer and danny cannon to save the movie, so ofc they also go with a safe composer, who is experienced with this kind of movie and situation.


Michel 2017-03-31 19:31:19
why is it boring lorne is everywhere ? His music is fantastic and it's great to hear
More of his work


Scorefan2017-04-01 01:12:53
The movie should have arrived two years ago. The previous cuts were not satisfactory to the producers. That's the reason why the producers called Bruckheimer and Danny Cannon to the reshoots. Pinar worked 2 years on the film. Dean Devlin originally has in mind another composer but after Dean listened The Wins God he assigned Pinar to wrote the score. With the reshoots and the introduction of Bruckheimer to save the film, i think in part of the contract that he established the film composer, that's the reason of the rejection and the introduction of Lorne.
I have not listened anything from Pinar score, but some people say it's epic.
It could have been interesting hear Pinar score in this blockbuster film, like Carter Burwell when he was assigned to score Thor 2. But we will have to wait when the rejected score surface.


Bioscope2017-04-01 06:15:07
i wonder if that 'other' composer was David Arnold? It's sad that he only does tv now. Even Bond was ripped out from under him....


Zimmermusicfan2017-04-01 12:00:40
Weird why his is even a sexist conversation ! It shouldn't be . Balfe is a top composer and delivers . What big films did the other composer do ? Exactly


rockhound2017-04-01 13:20:00
the only reason balfe scores big films now is because he worked with zimmer many years before. otherwise nobody would have recognized him. ofc he also has to be good, but he only got the chance to prove that, because he worked with zimmer on the right films. the same goes with zanelli, powell, gregson-williams and mancina.


Tim2017-04-01 14:21:14
Rockhound your wrong . Balfe was a very successful composer for tv in the UK before .


rockhound2017-04-01 14:35:44
tim....that is not the point. nobody would have hired balfe for Lego Batman, Ghost In The Shell or Geostorm, because he was already successful in uk television. he gets big size films now, because he worked with zimmer on big size films and could prove that he is a good composer for such films. a mix of connection + skills. pinar toprak has sadly just the skills....


Tim2017-04-01 14:45:01
Rockhound - your apoint doesn't quite make sense though . There are a log list of composers that have worked for Simmer that haven't achieved success ?????


Tim2017-04-01 14:57:25
Excuse my spelling !!!!


Edmund Meinerts2017-04-01 20:31:23
"What big films did the other composer do ? Exactly"

Now imagine if the director of Driving Miss Daisy or Black Rain or Rain Man had said that back in 1988. No Hans Zimmer. See why that's an incredibly stupid thing to say?


Ds2017-04-01 21:24:31
@Edmund, those are not really what anyone would define as "big films". These are small-scale movies with a large audience potential.
If you look back, Hans spent years doing obscure projects (just look at his filmography between 1982 and 1988). Then he was offered Rain Man & Driving Miss Daisy, which allowed him to get noticed. Then he got Backdraft, who allowed him to go for a quite epic sound, in a still relatively small-scale film. He continued scoring small movies for years. His "big blockbuster movies" came only later on, starting from The Lion King.
If you look at Pinar Toprak now, I think she's still at the very first stage: working on obscure movies. Asking for her to get large-scale blockbusters now seems a little early...


SamMusi2017-04-01 21:43:49
Rain man and driving miss Daisy were not $100 million films . Don't think Edmund understands how the industry' works !!!! When a film has reshoots etc the studio brings in the best team / editors , writers and composers .


Macejko2017-04-01 23:44:32
No, Edmund is right, because you can't really apply the 80's moviemaking policy to current standards. I think the risk of hiring Hans to do Driving Miss Daisy is perfectly comparable to this Pinar Toprak doing the - let's be honest here - low profile Geostorm movie, even though budget-wise it might be considered a A-list blockbuster.


Ds2017-04-02 00:27:07
What was the risk exactly hiring Hans to score Driving Miss Daisy?


rockhound2017-04-02 07:54:54
even Rain Man was a success for hans, the producers of Black Rain had problems to hire hans. but ridley scott wanted just him. the same goes for Days Of Thunder. bruckheimer and simpson didnt want him at the beginning, because he was nobody for them. but tony scott wanted him, so they gave him a chance. so...the risk was not to hire hans for Driving Miss Daisy, but because of Driving Miss Daisy. if nobody gives you a chance, you cant prove your talent.


Sam782017-04-02 10:52:00
I don't you get given a 100 million dollar film because " you need a chance" ! You get given it because you have proven you are good . Just like any other business . You don't get a CEO job because you "need a chance" !! Life doesn't work that way. Not sure why this is any different that Pan when Powell took over . No one got upset then . Also - back to the topic in hand - saw ghost earlier today and it was fantastic . Visually beautiful and great action . Balfe and Clint did an amazing job and totally exciting .


Mike2017-04-02 11:18:39
@Hybrid do you have any further credits ? Really loved the score


rockhound2017-04-02 11:24:04
ofc it needs someone who gives you a chance. when trevor rabin co-scored Con Air, it didnt mean automaticaly he was the perfect choice to score Armageddon. but bruckheimer gave him a chance, to prove it. but also on that movie rabin got a lot of help from other composers, because bruckheimer thought, it was better for the movie. but this movie put rabin on the radar of other producers, because bruckheimer gave him a chance to score a big budget movie, although it was just rabins third hollywood movie. not even zimmer was able to get such a big movie assignment with his third movie.


Sam2017-04-02 15:33:06
Trevor wasn't given a "chance" . He was in one of the biggest bands at that time and according to interviews still had to pitch themes ideas . And he was then chosen. No one gets given a chance - they get chosen because they are amazing at what they do


rockhound2017-04-02 16:14:13
you mean so amazing, that bruckheimer thought, that it is better, when trevor gets help by 6 other composers? just because he was a member of a successful rock band doesnt qualify him to write a symphonic score for 140 million dollar movie. it was bruckheimers risk to hire him. and yes, he had to write the themes first, to convince bruckheimer. but themes are not a whole score. so yes....bruckheimer gave him a "chance" to prove that he can handle such a big movie. i mean, trevor scored Glimmer Man, because he gave steven seagal guitar lessons. he never scored a hollywood movie before, but seagal gave him a chance as a favour to score that movie. ofc u call that "a chance". or what else is that?


Everan2017-04-02 17:06:18
This Ghost in the Shell OST really spakrs up converstation here, huh?


Hybrid Soldier2017-04-03 04:20:47
Yeah I don't think Rabin's beginnings on Con Air & Armageddon is a good example because he was fully cornered by RCP.


Edmund Meinerts2017-04-07 12:15:25
"No one gets given a chance - they get chosen because they are amazing at what they do"

And that's the thing - based on the admittedly limited body of work she has put out so far, Toprak DOES seem to be very good at what she does. But because she's an unknown quantity to Bruckheimer she got replaced by a familiar name. Every talented composer also needs a bit of luck to get those first few gigs. "You get gigs because you've proven that you are good" - but how do you prove that you are good without getting gigs? You gotta get your foot in the door somehow. Instead they decided to smash it in Toprak's face.


rockhound2017-04-07 12:34:48
edmund, in general i agree with you, but Geostorm is a special situation. it looks like that this movie had big problems and they try to save this mess now. i can imagine, bruckheimer hasn't even listen to pinars score. they hired him, because he was successful in the past with the way he made movies. and one part of his movies is a rcp score. so they hired a composer of that company. they can take no risk anymore. that's all. ofc it is also possible, that her score was really bad or that she had just no time rework her music, but i dont think that.


Edmund Meinerts2017-04-07 16:23:10
Sure, I'm not surprised that Bruckheimer would act in this way. I'm not *surprised* or anything. Just disappointed. And as always, the studio logic of "our film is in trouble, better throw out the score" just doesn't make sense to me. Obviously the problems run far deeper than that, but for the most part it's too late to fix, so they have to go for the one thing they still can change...except it won't save the film at all. :(


rockhoud2017-04-07 17:50:48
imdb says, they spend another 15 million dollar for serious re-shots. the movie had far more problems than the score. i would have loved to hear an epic pinar toprak disaster movie score, but i totally understand, why they hired balfe.


Fanomusic2017-04-08 15:09:39
Rockhound not sure if you understand the process . During test screensings , in the focus groups they ask questions about storyline , what is not working and among other subjects , music is questioned. It is not always the studio that makes the decisions ! I'm looking forward to this soundtrack .


TomP2017-04-08 18:14:38
Not sure why Geostorm is even being discussed. This happens all the time so why is it a factor ????? Anyway!!!! Saw Ghost today and it was amazing in 3D.wish there was a score release and not just songs

peter reply Replies: 2 || 2017-04-06 20:14:23
okay, jokes aside, where is that album ? :( :(


MrZimmerFan2017-04-06 20:19:13
No release for the moment


Andy2017-04-07 10:03:41
Wish there was a soundtrack . Think this has replaced Lego Batman has best
Soundtrack so far his year .

HosF reply Replies: 2 || 2017-04-03 10:28:16
Looks like there won't be a soundtrack release and only songs ? It is a fantastic score . Balfe's best so far I think .


Mike2017-04-03 18:49:09
@hybrid do you not have any clips yet ?


JBSO992017-04-04 17:34:59
I hope this gets released soon. I haven't watched the movie yet but I've read that the score is one of the best things of it, so I cannot waitto listen to mer Lorne Balfe (along with Clint Mansell)

antovolk reply Replies: 1 || 2017-04-01 16:53:07
Apparently Lakeshore not releasing it anymore.
https://twitter.com/tracksounds/status/847887508109131776


Lejti2017-04-02 15:08:09
:/

Alex reply Replies: 0 || 2017-04-01 16:48:38
Why is Clint Mansell not also listed on here? Bizarre...

Evenstar reply Replies: 1 || 2017-04-01 15:29:28
Any news about a soundtrack release? It was supposed to be released yesterday, still no sign of it.


Alex2017-04-01 16:48:07
No clue. No one's really saying anything about it. I've emailed a few people at Lakeshore, so hopefully I'll be able to gather more information. I desperately want this score.

Timo reply Replies: 1 || 2017-04-01 06:42:21
Watched Ghost in 3D and Lorne's score is excellent . I hope a soundtrack is released and not just the songs !!


Markmusc2017-04-01 10:45:00
Have to agree . Really great score. Batman lego was my favourite score of the year but this is close . Any news about a release for the soundtrack because I can only find the songs ?

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