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Hybrid, did you ever ask Hans why this score wasn't released?After watching the movie, I just have to say it was okay. It had some great moments but for me it had also many problems. And one of them was the music. For most of the part it wasn't even noticeable and when it was, it was like random background music with no really emotion or heart.<br><br>BvS and MoS movies can be criticized for some things but the score is not one of them. The movie gave the movie a strong and powerful side, as well as a heart and emotion into it. In this movie there were so many moments that needed different score. <br>***SPOILERS***<br>Superman's resurrection needed the MoS in full epic form. Wonder Woman at the bank at the beggining needed her theme with the electric cello in full power.<br>The Batman theme at the beginning when he is after that Parademon.<br>We should have a really memorable theme for the whole Justice League as well as for each individual member.<br>The scenes with Clark and Lois at the house in Kansas and when his mother sees him, this needed the piano theme from This Is Clark kent or something like that.<br>And that final moments with Superman opening his shirt showing the Superman logo and then flying to the sky, we needed something like "What Are You Going To Do When You're Not Saving The World?" or "Flight" and not that unmemorable music we got.<br><br>I really hope that the petition of the Extended Cut of the movie made by Zack with Junkie's music gets to be released someday, but for now, I'm disappointed.Sounds fun!!<br>Thanks for the linkAny ideas on the Chronological Order of the Tracks?<br>I made a start here...<br><br><br>Logos<br>Batman On The Roof<br>Everybody Knows - Titles<br>Wonder Woman Rescue<br><br>...<br>Icky Thump<br>Aquaman In Atlantis<br>...<br>1m1a Krypton (from Man Of Steel)<br>Spark Of The Flash<br>Friends And Foes<br>...<br>Come Together - Credits<br>Anti-Hero Theme - CreditsNo, they are the full score cues- as presented in the film. The presentation of the final three tracks on the first disc are edited down for timing.
* I posted this at filmtracks and wanted to share it here as well. <br><br>Danny Elfman's comments are very disrespectful and so disappointing for a creative person to hear, especially for composers. Nostalgia is a big problem with Hollywood and it's a simple Jedi mind trick. It's slightly different, but the same meal over and over with different seasoning. Imagine if James Horner didn't get to write the score he wanted for Spider-Man? Or Zimmer had to use Elfmans Batman theme for the DK triliolgy or BvS? Or Shirley Walkers incredible Batman theme for Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. Or Giacchino just used the original star trek theme, or the original Star Wars themes for Rogue One and created nothing new at all? How boring and uninspiring for the composers not being able to challenge themselves to create new original music.<br><br>Whether you like these scores or not isn't important, the pursuit to create something new is what drives a creative person and gives us freedom in choosing something to enjoy and not enjoy. I love the original Batman theme by Elfman but I love it in the Burton films. I love Zimmer scores for both the DK trilogy and BvS. I am happy I can enjoy both types of scores and films but there are those who don't and that's a great thing because that means we are not all the same and that brings variety of opinion and taste which creates real conversation and most importantly gives an identity to a project.<br><br>It's easy to go back to original ideas, but I respect the creators who actually take the risk and want to try and do something new. If Danny Elfman stands by his words he should have just used the original Batman theme from the Tv Show and film or the original Spider-Man theme. Oops he didn't and we got a whole new Batman theme and Spider-man theme which most of us love. Thank god he didn't stick to using the original themes. The Batman reboots and superman and Spider-man reboots are completely different takes on the characters and that's why they deserve their own new themes and soundscapes. The only time I think an original theme from a film should be used in a new film with the same characters is if it's actually a sequel or prequel connected to that actual original film. Re-boots should always have new original music.<br><br>In the end the comments from Elfman are simply stupid and uninspiring and it's definitely a hidden ego coming through I never new he had which is a shame. I remember what Zimmer said about Danny Elfman's Batman theme being a bit jolly, but that's not attacking Elfman at all, it's how he felt and heard the music and felt that that style wouldn't fit in the new batman films ect.. I have always found the original Batman theme a bit on the jolly side too and I love it because it nails Burton's take on the character and world. That theme is for Keaton's Batman, no one else's.<br><br>One final point, if we keep wanting to just revisit the past and hear and see the same thing over and over and not be challenged with new ideas, what a damn uninspiring and boring world of creativity we will live in.<br><br>All the best to you all!<br><br>so...based on what junkie says here, Elfman is basically just rehashing old shit, as well as other people's old shit....Unless you want to say he's taking his Batman theme into a whole different direction that he didn't really have a desire to do before...until now....<br><br>In that case, "whatever" is all I have to say.Nice stuff! I still can't believe this score hasn't gotten a release.That's unfortunate. With this score, I think it's obvious that the majority is Jablonsky, as it has a ton of elements from scores he's composed exclusively, but it would still be nice to know who did what, especially with the first and second films. Not sure why there's rarely any proper additional music credits for a lot of the RCP guys, especially considering Zimmer's credits are almost always complete. <br><br>However that cuesheet of the extended score is very interesting. Hopefully if it leaks, all those cues remain there.Damn that sounds different from Elfman's comments
The funny thing is an interview he gave 1 months before being replaced... Saying pretty much the opposite of Elfman !<br><br>"Itís a massive undertaking. And I canít say anything about Justice League specifically, but Iíll tell you this, and this was exactly the same experience that Hans and I had when we did work together on Man of Steel and Batman v Superman: Itís like when you see a movie like that, these iconic superhero movies, some of them have a 60 to 80 year legacy, multiple composers had a go at their themes, multiple filmmakers did their version of these charactersóitís very scary. You watch a movie and itís like, ďHoly shit, now I have to come up with something.Ē Youíve got sweaty hands and youíre nervous, and you talk about it over and over againóand I have exactly that relationship with Zack Snyderóand then Zack said, ĒThereís only one thing you can do, and that is embrace this character as if itís your own, keep it close to your musical soul, and just do whatever you feel is the right thing to do for this character.Ē Thatís the only thing we can do. Thatís what all these great directors did back in the day, and thatís what all these great composers did back in the day. It makes no sense for me to do extensive quoting of Hansí score of the really amazing Batmans. It makes no sense for me to quote Superman from John Williams. Because all fantastic composers, they all did the same thing, they did something that was close to their heart, and I have to do exactly the same thing on this movie. You know this is Movie Number 4 that Iím doing with Zack, so you build a friendship and itís built on trust and loyalty. You know how to challenge each other, you know what to expect on the other side, and itís this really open, amazing dialogue about where to take this franchise."I can confirm that he had already worked on it quite a bit, because he said so in one of his Studio Time episodes.I wouldnít be surprised if he wrote another long sketchbook for it...I honestly have no idea... But I can't believe back in June when he left he hadn't done a bunch of the score already...The thing is with Jablonsky scores composers rarely get cuesheet credits, so you can't really draw conclusions out of it. Here's a small part of the cuesheet :<br><br>QUINTESSA PT 1<br>QUINTESSA PT 2<br>QUINTESSA PT 3 OPTIMUS REDEMPTION<br>KNIGHTED<br>WE HAVE TO GO ZERO GRAVITY<br><br>OPENING BATTLE<br>MERLIN<br>MERLIN GETS THE STAFF - BATTLE WON<br>TROUBLED TIMES<br>CADE DRIVING - AMULET<br>WE HUNT - DECEPTICONS HUNT<br>KEEP A SECRET - VIV ARRIVES CASTLE FOLGEN<br>WITWICCANS<br>ROUNDTABLE ORGAN SOURCE<br>COGMAN CHOIR<br>STAFF<br>BETTER GET CRACKING<br>PLANETARY VAMPIRISM<br>TOO OLD<br>SUBMARINE<br>TWO MOONS<br>MERLIN'S TOMB<br>SPACE STATION<br>CLAIM THE STAFF<br>SHIP RISE<br>YOUR VOICE<br>SOLDIERS TAKE POSITION - BURTON DIES<br>FALL AND GRAB<br>ENDING
rumor has it Lorne Balfe did this score<br><br>I guess if we do not get any credits then that proves itAny chance of proper artist credits for this score?@Hybrid <br><br>Did Tom actually record anything for the film or did he just do demos?It's the same 24 tracks divided on two CDs. I'm truly hoping for a nice numbered digipak that separates the limited editions from the regular release otherwise it would be quite a crappy move from the record label. <br><br>"Joss said, ĎLetís do it [Batmanís theme] on the nose. Fans love this kind of stuff.í" Why do you have to ruin everything, Joss?
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Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales
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  1. Dead Men Tell No Tales (1:51)
    Geoff Zanelli
  2. Salazar (4:27)
    Geoff Zanelli
  3. No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel (3:59)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  4. You Speak Of The Trident (1:58)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil
  5. The Devil's Triangle (2:45)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  6. Shansa (3:12)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  7. Kill The Filthy Pirate, I'll Wait (4:50)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  8. The Dying Gull (1:01)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)
  9. El Matador Del Mar (8:05)
    Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)
  10. Kill The Sparrow (6:16)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  11. She Needs The Sea (2:32)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)
  12. The Brightest Star In The North (6:00)
    Geoff Zanelli
  13. I've Come With The Butcher's Bill (6:41)
    Geoff Zanelli, Steve Mazzaro (Hans Zimmer)
  14. The Power Of The Sea (4:07)
    Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher
  15. Treasure (5:43)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
  16. My Name Is Barbossa (5:34)
    Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)
  17. Beyond My Beloved Horizon (2:41)
    Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)
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Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 3 || 2017-10-29 11:06:43
And if you want the full cuesheet (no, don't ask "when leak ? when leak ?", it's just a cuesheet lol) :

PROLOGUE
Geoff Zanelli

FATHER AND SON
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

9 YEARS LATER - DEVIL'S TRIANGLE
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

GHOST ATTACK
Geoff Zanelli

CONFESSION
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

CHASE CARINA
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

NO WOMAN HAS EVER HANDLED MY HERSCHEL!
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

BANK HEIST
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

MY BANK Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

NO LONGER OUR CAPTAIN
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

SPEAK OF THE TRIDENT
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil

WASHED UP JACK Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

COMPASS
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

JACK ARRESTED
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

SILENT MARY ATTACKS PIRATE SHIP
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

CARINA WRITES ON WALL
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

HENRY FINDS JACK
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil

MESSAGE FROM SOMEONE YOU KNOW
Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)

DIVERTIMENTO IN E-FLAT MAJOR FOR STRING TRIO
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (W.A. Mozart)

BARBOSSA IN CABIN
Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)

ARRIVAL TO EXECUTION SQUARE - GUILLOTINE
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

KILL THE FILTHY PIRATE - EXECUTION SQUARE
Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)

LAUNCHING THE DYING GULL
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

UNREASONABLE DIRECTION
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

BLUFFING AND BLUSHING
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

SCARFIELD WANTS THE TRIDENT
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

JACK AND HENRY
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

SCIENCE OR SUPERSTITION
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey

FLASHBACK
Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)

HOROLOGIST
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

SHARK ATTACK
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

CAN'T STEP ON DRY LAND
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

THE ANSWER IS ON THAT SHIP
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

IT'S YOUR WEDDING DAY
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

KISS THE BRIDE
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

DOUBLE-CROSS THE DEAD - RELEASE THE BLACK PEARL
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

SHIP RACE A
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher (Hans Zimmer)

SHIP RACE B
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

ORPHAN - BRIGHTEST STAR IN THE NORTH
Geoff Zanelli

THE TRIDENT WILL BE MINE CANNON BATTLE
Geoff Zanelli, Steve Mazzaro (Hans Zimmer)

BLACK ROCK ISLAND - TRIDENT
Geoff Zanelli

HENRYZAR
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

TREASURE
Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)

MY NAME IS BARBOSSA
Geoff Zanelli, Paul Mounsey (Hans Zimmer)

REUNION
Geoff Zanelli, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

MAIN ON ENDS
Geoff Zanelli (Hans Zimmer)

THE TRIDENT WILL BE MINE CANNON BATTLE (END CREDITS)
Geoff Zanelli, Steve Mazzaro (Hans Zimmer)

FLASHBACK (END CREDITS 1)
Geoff Zanelli

NO WOMAN HAS EVER HANDLED MY HERSHEL! (END CREDITS)
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher

BANK HEIST (END CREDITS)
Geoff Zanelli, Phill Boucher, Zak McNeil (Hans Zimmer)

FLASHBACK (END CREDITS 2)
Geoff Zanelli, Anthony B. Willis (Hans Zimmer)

BARNACLES
Geoff Zanelli


Iamtommie2017-10-29 12:11:24
Thanks thanks thanks!!! This is awesome!!


mpolonest123 2017-10-29 14:17:18
Thanks for this! Itís a shame the full bank chase cue and the variations on ďBarbossa is HungryĒ were never released.


Mandarin2017-10-29 15:54:35
Thanks!! Guess, it's sfx...

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 1 || 2017-10-26 11:01:05
Composer credits !


David2017-10-27 05:30:45
Thanks!!!! :D

No themes by Klaus Badelt though? Or Blake Neely? :(

Peter reply Replies: 3 || 2017-10-23 16:24:43
When Will Complete Motion Picture Score


Mandarin2017-10-23 20:18:29
Soonô
Soonô - when disneys want.
Actually the number of tracks isn't even leaked. Complete score for "On Stranger Tides" was in 2012, maybe we'll see DMTNT in 2018


Mandarin2017-10-23 20:20:10
Sorry, complete for "On Stranger Tides" was in 2015...
"crying..."


Peter2017-10-23 22:15:55
I am doing the private Complete Score With SFX album for myself, I am separating scenes, where the music is playing, I am holding the Original of the Film of course Pirates of the Caribbean Dead Men Tell No Tales - Salazar's Revenge. And I am asking, since I don't know how works are called, and in the film the music is probably interfacing, there are no breaks.
Sorry, I am from Poland and with difficulty for me with English
I am doing everything through explain the Google

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 10 || 2017-05-31 18:06:24
Honestly this score has been growing on me. Granted, it's definitely not in the same league as the other three but I do have to give Zanelli props for treating the material with respect and putting some actually effort into it. Even the themes, which I didn't really grasp the first few listens, have begun to stick with me (particularly the 'trident' motif). It's one of those scores where repeated listens definitely improve the experience.

I think one of the big issues that I've noticed is that Zanelli's writing style doesn't seem to mesh as well with the previous Pirate tunes. The recording mix certainly doesn't help either. The overall sound somewhat lacks that beefier Zimmer style which, to a degree, is understandable. Also, whoever forced the temp of Beckett's death in "Treasure" should be flogged.

Last but not least, I think this album certainly could have benefitted from some more suite type cues, assuming Zanelli wrote any. Say what you will about Zimmer inundating his albums with suites, at least it gives you an idea of the development of themes for that particular score. Just my two cents.


PLEASE2017-05-31 18:46:03
does anyone know the song that pays on the string quartet when they first introduce Barbossa in the movie?

He is eating what looks like marshmellows and scratching his head during this scebe. Please guys!


Oscarilbo2017-05-31 19:44:14
I keep wondering why anyone would feel like that about the new themes when Zanelli himself wrote several themes throughout the whole franchise?

His themes (at the least) includes Tia Dalma theme, the Music Island from DMC and The Spaniards theme from OST, and nobody said anything about not "meshing" well. I think if Zimmer had written them, maybe would have been criticized for not being as catchy as the main ones, but not for not matching with the rest.

Besides, I don't remember any of the main themes of the whole saga learned and sticked with me after several listens. I do loved them immediately the first time I watched the movies and listened to the albums, but couldn't humble them after a while (specially my favorite theme of all which is the AWE main theme. Same happened with The Force Awakens new themes).

So I think they are good-to-great themes, just wait a little longer.


mpolonest123 2017-05-31 19:58:48
I never said the themes themselves don't mesh, moreover the writing style/orchestration/recording mix of this particular score. Understandably, Geoff Zanelli isn't Hans Zimmer so obviously DMTNT isn't going to sound like Zimmer. But I do find it somewhat interesting that the previous Pirate scores, despite each having about 8 or 9 different composers on the team, always had a cohesive sound.

When listening to them as a whole (without the credits included) you can't always necessarily point out individual voices in the score as far as style or orchestration (such as that's a Zanelli or Jackman cue). That's one thing Zimmer has always excelled at, being able to write music in a group setting and always pull it together with one distinctive sound and cohesiveness. When I listen to this album I can obviously hear it not being from the same group that did Curse of the Black Pearl and so on.

It might sound like I'm complaining but I do like the fact that Zanelli wrote this in his own voice. I just feel like the reprises of previous themes do somewhat expose the differences in style and whatnot. But hey, that's just me. Overall I genuinely like this score, even the Salazar theme has grown on me (and to be fair I never really cared for Blackbeard's tune)


mpolonest1232017-05-31 20:01:21
And to clarify one thing, I do know that you can hear some DNA of the different ghost writers in the previous scores, but each cue meshes insanely well together without feeling like a team effort as opposed to TASM2 or Rango.


Oscarilbo2017-05-31 20:42:17
Oh I see.. sorry, I understand you better now.

And yes, I totally agree with you... it sounds different, but I think, by the interviews with Zanelli, you can tell is not by accident. In fact, for me at least, it sounds closer to a wider orchestral soundscape quality if you will than previous POTC scores. Which if you listen to pasts Zanelli's works you'll find more understandable (his personal musical preferences leans a little bit more towards classical than Zimmer's)

I listened the score with my Senn HD598 headphones and contrary to what others say, I found it to be a more breathable, wider, and orchestral recording than the previous soundtracks.


mpolonest123 2017-05-31 21:26:25
Yeah, I definitely agree. It has (for lack of a better word) a more swashbuckling sound as opposed to the faux rock style of the first two or the epic movements of AWE.

And DMTNT would definitely have sounded different regardless of who wrote it. Imagine a Lorne Balfe take on the idea. Or a John Powell. Or a Junkie Xl (lol)


Oscarilbo2017-05-31 21:56:25
Exactly! ... liked the expression; a bit more of a "swashbuckling sound" is just what I tried to say. If I recall correctly is part of the "freshness" they wanted to "reboot" with this franchise.

And yeah, definitely it would have sounded different with any of those.



MrOLX2017-06-26 15:11:32
This theme is probably Branderbourg Concerto no. 3.


MrOLX2017-06-26 15:19:45
Oh, theme is Brandenburg Concerto no. 3, no Branderbourg Concerto no. 3.


mpolonest123 2017-09-16 02:18:43
Just saw the film recently and boy, what a mess. In some ways itís worse than Stranger Tides, mainly because the writing comes across as fan fiction and you can tell that they put effort into making it, which increased my personal disappointment.

The score on the other hand, after hearing it in context, is incredible. While my issue with the recording mix still stands, Geoff knocked it out of the ballpark. Each theme is used correctly and actually receive development throughout. And there are SEVERAL unreleased cues that stood out to me. The only reason I want this franchise to continue is to hear what else he would write lol

David reply Replies: 3 || 2017-07-25 10:15:50
Doesn't beat the first three films, however, I think this score is brilliant in its own right. I love the new themes Zanelli brought to the table (Carina/Barbossa theme, Salazar's theme, Adventure theme, etc.) and he did a fantastic job at blending old and new music to create something that sounded unique, yet classic at the same time. Cannot wait until the Complete Score is released.

I would say On Stranger Tides is my least favorite score (although it has some fantastic cues and themes (Blackbeard's theme, Angelica's theme, Spanish theme, etc.). Just felt like it was really missing the heart and emotion of the first 3 scores, which Dead Men Tell No Tales brought back. Honestly, it's still a fantastic score, and much better than the majority of blockbuster soundtracks I hear today.


David2017-07-25 23:32:25
Oh great, there's another David! :/

It's funny you and Everan (over on the TF5 page) think the complete scores for these films will be getting "released"! :P


Everan2017-07-26 02:27:59
Never said they will be released, I said might.


David2017-07-26 12:05:47
When I say "released" that doesn't necessarily mean in a...legal sense

Catastrophic Jones reply Replies: 3 || 2017-07-21 01:40:42
Having gotten the chance to meet Geoff a couple months back at the ASCAP Expo (albeit very briefly) it was clear he was very enthusiastic about working on Pirates, and even The Lone Ranger which the Disney soundtrack executive tried to silence him on talking about lol While nothing will ever compare to the original trilogy, score wise and film wise, this is a very nicely executed extension of the music in the world of Pirates. It's on the scale of honoring the original style and themes while injecting some new material much like what Giacchino did with Rogue One, which I happened to have liked as well. It's not meant to be the kind of score that stands out as 'unique and different', it's about honoring the tradition. I look forward to hearing what else Zanelli has to offer in the future.


Callahan2017-07-21 01:54:17
Yes. PoTC 5 is not the best score of the franchise, but it sure is, until now, the best CD that RC / MV produced in the year.


Hale2017-07-21 13:31:50
Wonder Woman wasn't too bad :D


Callahan2017-07-21 15:44:49
I agree, but this one is much better.

romuald reply Replies: 6 || 2017-07-10 19:20:55
Hello,

Anyone can tell what is the instrument used in Dead Men Tell No Tales at about 1:00, I like it.

Regards

Romuald


James2017-07-10 19:40:06
A duduk.


Max Potcats2017-07-10 23:14:36
Wasn't it used in Gladiator and in At World's End (at the end of the discussion with Keith Richard and Sparrow ?). Sounds like


James2017-07-10 23:57:55
Indeed


Iamtommie2017-07-11 10:06:51
It's also used in the first Narnia. In a Narnia Lullaby. This is what Tumnus is playing in his house.


romuald2017-07-11 10:26:10
Thank you everybody, what a cool instrument!!! Could I find a plug in with this instrument???

Romuald



Patrick2017-07-11 13:41:10
There are some VST plugins, e. g. as part of the Quantum Leap East West RA Collection by Soundsonline (~300$), Desert Winds by Bestservice (~111Ä) and Ilya Efimov Armenian Duduk (~70Ä). There are also some free ones, but their sounds is more or less MIDI ringtone quality, e. g. "Oriental Scale" (vst4free.com/free_vst.php?id=417)

Nick reply Replies: 4 || 2017-06-25 10:32:24
I must be the biggest weirdo in all of film score history, because the highlight of DMTNT for me was "I've Come With the Butcher's Bill." It resonated instrumentally, most notably that badass cello (?) at around the 2:35 mark, it was the perfect blend of old and new themes, and best of all, it sounded like a swashbuckling theme. As much as I loved the action cues in the first three, I sometimes felt that they resembled a Latin hell choir more than a traditional pirate piece, especially AWE. It's good listening, but sometimes it sounded more like Gregorian Chanters of the Caribbean. :P
I seriously blast Butcher's Bill out loud on the highway, I love it so much.


mpolonest123 2017-06-25 16:01:17
Not at all! ; ) That's one of my favorite tracks as well. I would also throw in the major chord progressions of the Trident theme in "Power of the Sea" and the INSANE electric cello statement of Salazar's theme at 3:00 in "Kill the Sparrow". Great workout tracks!


Hybrid Soldier2017-06-26 16:37:41
That cue is Mazzaro !


...2017-06-26 17:05:02
Does anyone notice the Barbossa/Beckett theme from On Stranger Tides at 1:52 in "Shansa"?


Medigo2017-06-27 18:15:00
shame the movie decided to apparently remove the electric cello Salazar rendition
boo!

PLEASE reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-31 18:46:56
does anyone know the song that pays on the string quartet when they first introduce Barbossa in the movie?

He is eating what looks like marshmellows and scratching his head during this scebe. Please guys!


MrOLX2017-06-26 09:13:16
Probably Branderbourg Concerto no. 3

David reply Replies: 2 || 2017-06-06 07:34:21
Hey Hybrid is there any chance you could update the tracklist with which pieces contain material written by HZ & Co from the previous 4 films? Please?


Iamtommie2017-06-21 00:09:06
1. "Dead Men Tell No Tales" 1:50
2. "Salazar" 4:33
3. "No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel" (includes elements of "He's a Pirate") 3:58
4. "You Speak of the Trident" 1:58
5. "The Devil's Triangle" 2:45
6. "Shansa" 3:12
7. "Kill the Filthy Pirate, I'll Wait" (includes elements of "He's a Pirate", "Jack Sparrow" and "Hoist the Colours Suite") 4:50
8. "The Dying Gull" (includes elements of "Hoist the Colours Suite") 1:00
9. "El Matador del Mar" (includes elements of "One Last Shot", "He's a Pirate", "Jack Sparrow" and "The Medallion Calls") 8:05
10. "Kill the Sparrow" 6:15
11. "She Needs the Sea" (includes elements of "One Last Shot", "Jack Sparrow", "Wheel of Fortune" and "The Medallion Calls") 2:32
12. "The Brightest Star in the North" 6:00
13. "I've Come with the Butcher's Bill" (includes elements of "Lord Cutler Beckett", "Swords Crossed" and "Wheel of Fortune") 6:40
14. "The Power of the Sea" 4:07
15. "Treasure" (includes elements of "The Black Pearl" and "I Don't Think Now Is the Best Time") 5:43
16. "My Name Is Barbossa" (includes elements of "One Last Shot", "Marry Me" and "Jack Sparrow") 5:34
17. "Beyond My Beloved Horizon" (includes elements of "He's a Pirate") 2:40


Guy Fawkes2017-06-21 16:00:13
"No Woman Has Ever..." also includes The Medallion Calls and Jack Sparrow. And "Kill the Filthy" also includes Marry Me. This list is way estimated... The best thing it will be know the credits of every song, I think.

Can I Just Say... reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-21 13:32:48
That 6:09 to 6:38 of "El Matador Del Mar" was clearly temped with 6:36 to 6:59 of "Barbarian Horde" from "Gladiator". It stood out so much that I had to do a double take and replay the track just to make sure I wasn't listening to the wrong album! But overall, I have really enjoyed this album: it is a nice extension and slight development of Hans' (and others') themes from the previous movies, and Zanelli's new additions (although a bit bland and generic) really fit in musically to the "Pirates of the Caribbean" sound we've come to know (and which some of us love). I actually also like the mixing work that was done on the soundtrack: it really gives the orchestral recording a big, thick, organic sound, much more so than the previous scores which were quite synthetic (even "On Stranger Tides", with barely any synths used at all, was mixed to a degree where it still sounded relatively unnatural and overly bassy).

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Leo reply Replies: 6 || 2017-06-03 12:40:26
In Dead Men Tell No Tales, what is the song that plays right after Barbossa tells Jack "Time to race the dead."? The theme plays while Jack is complaint about going away from land.


Mandarin2017-06-03 18:34:45
Unfourtanately this theme wasn't included in the OST. Seems like we have to wait for complete score.


Pirate's Life2017-06-05 13:12:17
When will be the complete score?


iamtommie2017-06-05 14:11:02
I base my answer on last years Captain America: Civil War's complete score.
Civil War also out in May. The tracklist of the complete score was on this website in October. At the end of Decemeber the complete score was released.

Maybe this will be the same with Pirates 5


George2017-06-05 15:49:06
Well I hope that in the complete score release there will be more suites. I love the new adventure theme but I would like a track with it having more play time and more development, guess we'll see though


Mandarin2017-06-06 20:49:19
Complete score is usually released all of a sudden. We will be happy if it actually is released. Still waiting for complete score of Batman v Superman and Inferno...


Nikolas 2017-06-17 23:46:46
The song you are asking is a remake of the "Barbossa is Hungry" from the first movie

Alexander reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-06 14:12:17
For anyone here who is listening to vinyl music as well, the company "music on vinyl" is now trying to get the rights to press the pirates scores on vinyl :)

James reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-06 02:20:03
Where is the suite?

dnp reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-05 18:16:57
not good

iamtommie reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-31 13:01:08
I've seen the movie twice and I concluded that "The Brightest Star In The North" is split up in the movie. In the movie in between the two pieces "I've come with the butchers Bill' is heard.


David2017-05-31 15:52:28
Having seen it twice are you able to put it in chronological order?? :D


Iamtommie2017-05-31 15:57:00
Yes, why not. I'm a filmmusicfreak, so I know most of the soundtrack by heart. So if I watch yhe movie I can easily put the right tracks under the right scene.


Medigo2017-06-01 23:26:16
the tracks seem to be mostly chronological anyway
and none of them are suites

Oscarilbo reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-31 22:19:04
https://youtu.be/3mUcaauaNrs

If you want to listen to a very interesting interview with Zanelli discussing not only his composer career, but his input on the POTC saga from COTBP to DMTNT to a great detail, here it is from Film.Music.Media, just released 6 days ago.


Lejti2017-06-01 15:32:12
This video is on the main page of the site.

zulu reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-31 16:40:58
Worst Movie & Score ever!


Alexander 2017-05-31 17:30:28
Come on it is not the worst score ever. For sure it can't lift up to "At worlds end" but with "At worlds end" the bar has been risen very high. It's a nice too hear score and it is a bit like the first one.

Jack Afrogarrix 2017 reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-30 00:08:23
Nice Music By Geoff Zanelli This Is my First Time I see The movie And Is Awsome . But With Hans Zimmer's pirates Theme plus With Salazar's Theme best movie & Score Ever


Edmund Meinerts2017-05-30 00:43:27
Best Movie and Score Ever?????? WOW!!!!1!!111!1!oneoneone1!1!


Amber2017-05-30 01:31:15
The score is good. In the same level of the first and second ones. The only problem is the weakness of the new themes.For a pirate score: 3,5/5


Mephariel2017-05-31 16:18:26
Best Move AND Score ever...WOW


Dan reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-29 17:13:06
Twice heard and already the first time it was exhausting. The biggest disappointment of the year! Typical 08/15 score


Meta2017-05-29 18:17:35
I see nothing wrong with this score.

It doesn't have the gimmick of Tides with the Spanish guitar riffs, doesn't have a crappy album presentation, sounds pretty much like a pirates score...

and at least has a couple of decent themes in it, to boot.

At film number 5 I don't expect genius. I expect serviceable and respectful to what came before, and we get that here....

No prob, Bob!


Iamtommie2017-05-29 18:25:52
If you listen to El Matador Del Mar from 4:50 to 6:50, you can't say it'sthe biggest dissappoinment of the year. That cue and a bunch of ithers are very 'Pirates'.
Together it is a good solid score.


Dan2017-05-29 22:13:07
It is my opinion! Just because a minute or so good is not the whole soundtrack is great.

Alexander reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-29 19:10:19
Is anyone here who thinks that the version of the opening music which joachim roenning has posted, on his instagram, sounds much better than the one that is used in the movie ?!?


Hybrid Soldier2017-05-29 19:17:51
It was a previous version and honestly, it was just POTC 2's opening rip... lol


Alexander 2017-05-29 21:09:31
Yea sounds a bit like pirates 2:D I still think that the "demo version" was much better because of its melody, the film version is just the beat if you want so.

Miska reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-28 12:44:39
Do anyone know what was that soundtrack that plays at opening scene? There where The Flying Dutchman rises from the sea, adn will and Henry have a little discourse. I think it`s some variation of "one day".


Hybrid Soldier2017-05-28 12:51:25
It's not in the OST release... :/


Eric2017-05-29 03:48:36
It's the same as One Day just re-scored


Alexander2017-05-29 19:00:35
I think it is a huge mistake that this is not on the score because it is (in my opinion) one of the best version of "one day". And its the full song and not just a short version like "my name is Barbossa". But at least you can say that the version in the ending scene sounded very very big and majestic.

Oscarilbo reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-28 20:08:16
Well.. I saw the movie, and I liked though not as much as the trilogy, but its very enjoyable in its own right. Capture much more of the firsts movies feeling that OST did. What I think I missed the most was Verbinski's weird sensibilities, grittiness and timming, but oh well as long as he doesn't want to return to this series, it will be something to miss for ever.

As for the Zanelli's score I loved it. I think is much better than Curse of the Black Pearl, which I think is the one we should compare with. Remember this new movie is, in theory the 1st one of a new part of the saga, so... compare it to AWE I think is very unfair... Not just the characters but the story itself must earn the epicness just as AWE did, thats how Zimmer desceibed it at the time. So this new one is the lowest end of Pirates epicness yet, or at least is the way I see it. If they keep doing more and Zenlli is still there, I'm sure it'll have to grow in scope and reach AWE highs and maybe even more.

Joseph Solano reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-27 21:10:12
I haven't seen the movie yet, but I will soon, but I've heard the soundtrack and I have only one thing to say. This is the best score of the franchise since At World's End. I had tears in my eyes every time an old theme played. I liked the score for On Stranger Tides, but I didn't like how it relied too much on older themes. I appreciate this score for not using the Ship battle theme and the rolling cage chase motif which I'm kinda tired of hearing them. I love the clever use of One Day as a theme for Henry Turner. Of course, everytime Jack's Themes (both the intro theme, the cello theme, and his DMC theme) and He's A Pirate show up, I can't help but smile and jump up and down. What about the new stuff? A lot of people have criticized Salazar's Theme for sounding like Blackbeard. It does don't get me wrong, but Zanelli isn't the first person to do this. The Winter Soldier is derived from Why So Serious. Optimus Prime's theme is IDENTICAL to the Knights March from King Arthur. Discombobulate from Sherlock Holmes, Absurdity from The Lone Ranger, and The Red Capes Are Coming from Batman v. Superman ALL SOUND THE SAME. They're awesome, but similar. Why is it so bad now? I like the rock elements in Salazar's theme and it makes it quite scary. Carina's Theme (The Brightest Star in the North) is also the main theme of the movie and it is perfect beyond belief. Her theme very much resembles past love themes, but it has a sense of herorism to it. I always gravitate to composer's themes for female characters (John Williams with my girls from Star Wars). The new adventure theme is epic! It does sound like He's A Pirate, but it is very catchy. I don't know what the score sounds like in the movie, but it sounds really good on the official soundtrack. To end this, all the action music is incredibly fun. Hans should be proud. Here are my top 5 favorite tracks:

1. Beyond My Beloved Horizon
2. The Brightest Star in the North
3. No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel
4. My Name is Barbossa
5. The Dying Gull


James2017-05-27 21:30:26
Maybe because it is IDENTICAL the another theme of the same series?


Edmund Meinerts2017-05-27 21:36:50
"This is the best score of the franchise since At World's End."

Watch out you don't trip over that low bar. ;)


Iamtommie2017-05-28 00:03:21
I saw the movie tonight and I think that the music is great on the album, but in the movie it's fantastic. It gives something special and something extra to a lot of scenes. I think Zanelli did a great job on the score, with the use if new and old themes.

Soroush reply Replies: 4 || 2017-05-26 11:05:10
As "Hedon" said below, "Zanelli is a great arranger, but he is not a great composer". I extremely agree with him.
I believe if someone like John Powell had done this score, we would hear a far better soundtrack. All of us saw what a spectacular job he did in KungFu Panda 2 with Hans.
The obvious thing is people like John Powell, Harry Gregson-Williams, JunkieXL or Nick Glennie-Smith, their mind moves where Hans' moves.
I'm not saying Zanelli does not include this case, I'm saying there were so many better options to choose the right person to do this score.


Miguel2017-05-26 13:05:56
Would love to hear what Balfe would have done . Maybe next time


Alexander2017-05-26 15:51:46
I hope Hans will "return" to the Pirates franchise I mean he has not done "Dead men tell no tales" just because Dunkirk and his live tour were in the way. Even Zanelli said that they all sat together and felt ready to start the project. Because of the fact that Zanelli is responsible that the "he's a pirate" theme sounds like it does I would love to hear a Score by Hans Zimmer & Geoff Zanelli for the real Finale !


Hedon2017-05-27 19:46:51
What I don't understand is why couldn't they at least aim for the best soundscape this franchise have had by bringing the rest of the team from AWE of composers, arrangers and orchestrators back. If we look at AWE, apart from Zimmer, there was Zanelli, Jackman, Glennie-Smith, Balfe, ÷rvarsson, Gire and Sponsler on board. If they could choose one lead composer in Zimmer's absence, then whatever some dude wrote would at least sound interesting because of the colorful instrumentation and big, fresh orchestral sound AWE had. Or maybe, just rearrange old themes from the other movies in true AWE style would work just as well. There's plenty of material from POTC 1 that hasn't been used in the other films, and much of it would shine if orchestrated and performed in AWE's sonic fashion rather than the cheap sound the first film had.


Hybrid Soldier2017-05-27 20:51:29
The orchestrators are the same.

You really think the other composers aren't busy enough these days ? It was 10 YEARS ago ! lol

Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-27 15:56:03
Zanelli made a wonderful job with Zimmer's themes.
The new themes are great too, but he really did Zimmer's themes justice. I like the continuity.
Track 9.El Matador Del Mar, my favorite on the album.

Jeffrey Rose reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-27 02:11:25
I swear I heard Last of the Mohicans in the movie twice. Maybe it was the slowing of the classic pirate theme. I will figure it out next time I watch.


Jeffrey Rose2017-05-27 02:21:34
Listen to 12:38 above and then also Main Title or Top of the World from Last of the Mohicans. Trevor Jones should have a listen.


James D.2017-05-27 03:54:12
This is "One day" theme of the third soundtrack xD

Iamtommie reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-26 20:44:45
Does anyone know if the score is in the same order it is played in the movie??


Max Potcats2017-05-26 22:15:18
Of memory I think is it the order of the movie, but I think some tracks are mixed in one, for exemple el matador del mar (like At Wit's End in potc3) :-)


Iamtommie2017-05-26 22:39:09
Thanks!!

... reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-26 19:16:44
Y'know, if the Salazar sounded more like the variation in Kill the Sparrow, it would have worked way better than the generic sound we get through the rest of it.

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