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Dude, no need to be harsh about it. Not everyone knows how these processes work. It was a reasonable assumption that there might be a specific timeline for leaks. <br><br>With that said, thanks for the info.Maybe. Clever deduction. Wait and see then ;)Oh my god. It's time to put an end to this. There is NO timeline as to when complete scores are leaked. They leak when the person in possession of them feels like leaking them. TF4 was November of 2014 because that's when the files were uploaded to Paramount's guilds/FYC site for academy members to listen to. Same with interstellar. It has absolutely nothing to do with time. I have some scores that haven't leaked yet. And I'm not going to. Why? Because I was asked not to. Not because I feel the time is right. K? Glad we cleared that up.Does anyone remember around when the TF2 and TF3 complete scores were leaked? I know TF4's was around November 2014, I figured that might give an idea of when TF5's will get out.hybrid created a very good suite from this movie, also because he left out the more uninteresting action stuff. the whole score is not original, but the themes are great because they transport emotions and excitement. the quiter parts are also very nice. im sure the actionmusic is very functional in the movie, but as a stand alone listening experience it is not very convincing. too much electronics which make too much noise. when the themes kick in, it sounds good, but a better mix of orchestra and electronics would have helped. sadly you won't find a second "Burn around the moon" or "Goodbye/Landing" from Armageddon in this score.
Yep. He will be in Nightwing's next solo movie<br>I think we all agree, Lorne Balfe is getting better and better, he's working at the speed of light and handles many different genres. Plus, he seems to be a very cool person. I'm really happy he got there, and I believe he'll be getting some major movies in the next few years (Terminator Genysis, Geostorm & Ghost in the Shell don't count, they were predicted failures undergoing a damage control process).<br><br>But anyway, I think his best solo score is still Home.Maybe there is a big surprise and Disc 2 is different from the actual release. If you look at the download files you see 01-01 to 01-24. I think Disc 2 must be named 02-01, 02-02...etc.Can I ask why there is no page made for The Nut Job 2 by Heitor Pereira?I'm not upset, nor am I disinterested in Balfe's work. Don't get me wrong. I welcome any and all discussion! But there's a difference between "discussion" and "blind fanboy gushing", and I've seen way more of the latter here this year than the former.
Have to agree because if you havenít an interest in Lorneís work then just donít goto his films topics ! Either way I like the suite here good old school MVIf you have an issue with Balfe simply donít click on Geostorm etc! Just ignore it . God knows why Edmund gets so upset !!!! You donít have to read the postsThis is already a much more interesting conversation than all the blind praise that was being spilled earlier. Thanks guys! :DEverybody is free to love whatever music they want, but I agree that the Balfe praise is a bit over the top. I mean I saw a comment that said that all of Balfe's scores from 2017 were the best of their genre which I think is over the top. I mean nothing against Balfe, he's a very good composer, but I just don't think he deserves all that praise about him being the best.Anything, @LP. I myself have spent several hours of my life listening Balfe's work and, of course, commenting here.<br><br>It's okay to get on a page and say "this is the best score of all ages" or "this is the worst shit I've ever heard", as long as this behavior is restricted to a minority who has make the mistake of making this kind of comment because not listened to many jobs of the same composer or of other composers or who do not respect his efforts to carry out the work.<br><br>
> Waymann - Ramin did good work on A Mountain Between us.  Completely atypical of his recent outputs, and showed more range.  It is rooted a bit in his work on Hans' rom-com scores (i.e. The Holiday) and sounds excellent overall.Just wondering, why would anyone have an issue with people who go into a Lorne Balfe soundtrack page to rave about the work of Lorne Balfe?I'm not saying that I don't like his music, because I really do, but I think there are also a lot of composers this year that have created amazing scores and they don't get the same talk. Let's mention Ramin Djawadi for The Mountain Between Us, Benjamin Wallfisch for A Cure For Wellness and It, and even outside of RCP like Giacchino with his fantastic War for the Planet of the Apes, Beltrami with The Snowman or the recent Ragnarok by Mothersbaugh (well, this does not belong in this page, so I understand why there is no talk about him).<br>And I repeat that I like Balfe, but not everything he does is perfect, and for example this, I don't consider it too original, because it reminds me to a lot of older scores. And for example, from Balfe I think one of the best was Churchill, and that didn't get much talk or praise neither.I do not think anyone here is hurting because another composer besides of the HZ - JP - HGW triad is being well received by the audience. Well, I agree that this behavior in any session regardless of who the composer is, is very uncomfortable. But we have to understand that each an of the RCP guys has its glory days. Balfe is conquering his. The problem is the proportions of compliments. Many people liked PoTc 5 (best RCP score of the year in my opinion, of course), for example, many also hated, the justifications were many, but the discussion was balanced. If you enter on the forum of  any score of any composer you find diverse but balanced opinions, what is missing in the forums about Balfe scores is this balance. Nothing against the growth of his popularity or the reception of his scores, only the judgments that seem a little too exaggerated. It's even a little weird.Due to Edmund getting upset !!!! Iím scared to ask about if anyone knows about The Florida Project ????
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Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales
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  1. Dead Men Tell No Tales (1:51)
  2. Salazar (4:27)
  3. No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel (3:59)
  4. You Speak Of The Trident (1:58)
  5. The Devil's Triangle (2:45)
  6. Shansa (3:12)
  7. Kill The Filthy Pirate, I'll Wait (4:50)
  8. The Dying Gull (1:01)
  9. El Matador Del Mar (8:05)
  10. Kill The Sparrow (6:16)
  11. She Needs The Sea (2:32)
  12. The Brightest Star In The North (6:00)
  13. I've Come With The Butcher's Bill (6:41)
  14. The Power Of The Sea (4:07)
  15. Treasure (5:43)
  16. My Name Is Barbossa (5:34)
  17. Beyond My Beloved Horizon (2:41)
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mpolonest123 reply Replies: 10 || 2017-05-31 18:06:24
Honestly this score has been growing on me. Granted, it's definitely not in the same league as the other three but I do have to give Zanelli props for treating the material with respect and putting some actually effort into it. Even the themes, which I didn't really grasp the first few listens, have begun to stick with me (particularly the 'trident' motif). It's one of those scores where repeated listens definitely improve the experience.

I think one of the big issues that I've noticed is that Zanelli's writing style doesn't seem to mesh as well with the previous Pirate tunes. The recording mix certainly doesn't help either. The overall sound somewhat lacks that beefier Zimmer style which, to a degree, is understandable. Also, whoever forced the temp of Beckett's death in "Treasure" should be flogged.

Last but not least, I think this album certainly could have benefitted from some more suite type cues, assuming Zanelli wrote any. Say what you will about Zimmer inundating his albums with suites, at least it gives you an idea of the development of themes for that particular score. Just my two cents.


PLEASE2017-05-31 18:46:03
does anyone know the song that pays on the string quartet when they first introduce Barbossa in the movie?

He is eating what looks like marshmellows and scratching his head during this scebe. Please guys!


Oscarilbo2017-05-31 19:44:14
I keep wondering why anyone would feel like that about the new themes when Zanelli himself wrote several themes throughout the whole franchise?

His themes (at the least) includes Tia Dalma theme, the Music Island from DMC and The Spaniards theme from OST, and nobody said anything about not "meshing" well. I think if Zimmer had written them, maybe would have been criticized for not being as catchy as the main ones, but not for not matching with the rest.

Besides, I don't remember any of the main themes of the whole saga learned and sticked with me after several listens. I do loved them immediately the first time I watched the movies and listened to the albums, but couldn't humble them after a while (specially my favorite theme of all which is the AWE main theme. Same happened with The Force Awakens new themes).

So I think they are good-to-great themes, just wait a little longer.


mpolonest123 2017-05-31 19:58:48
I never said the themes themselves don't mesh, moreover the writing style/orchestration/recording mix of this particular score. Understandably, Geoff Zanelli isn't Hans Zimmer so obviously DMTNT isn't going to sound like Zimmer. But I do find it somewhat interesting that the previous Pirate scores, despite each having about 8 or 9 different composers on the team, always had a cohesive sound.

When listening to them as a whole (without the credits included) you can't always necessarily point out individual voices in the score as far as style or orchestration (such as that's a Zanelli or Jackman cue). That's one thing Zimmer has always excelled at, being able to write music in a group setting and always pull it together with one distinctive sound and cohesiveness. When I listen to this album I can obviously hear it not being from the same group that did Curse of the Black Pearl and so on.

It might sound like I'm complaining but I do like the fact that Zanelli wrote this in his own voice. I just feel like the reprises of previous themes do somewhat expose the differences in style and whatnot. But hey, that's just me. Overall I genuinely like this score, even the Salazar theme has grown on me (and to be fair I never really cared for Blackbeard's tune)


mpolonest1232017-05-31 20:01:21
And to clarify one thing, I do know that you can hear some DNA of the different ghost writers in the previous scores, but each cue meshes insanely well together without feeling like a team effort as opposed to TASM2 or Rango.


Oscarilbo2017-05-31 20:42:17
Oh I see.. sorry, I understand you better now.

And yes, I totally agree with you... it sounds different, but I think, by the interviews with Zanelli, you can tell is not by accident. In fact, for me at least, it sounds closer to a wider orchestral soundscape quality if you will than previous POTC scores. Which if you listen to pasts Zanelli's works you'll find more understandable (his personal musical preferences leans a little bit more towards classical than Zimmer's)

I listened the score with my Senn HD598 headphones and contrary to what others say, I found it to be a more breathable, wider, and orchestral recording than the previous soundtracks.


mpolonest123 2017-05-31 21:26:25
Yeah, I definitely agree. It has (for lack of a better word) a more swashbuckling sound as opposed to the faux rock style of the first two or the epic movements of AWE.

And DMTNT would definitely have sounded different regardless of who wrote it. Imagine a Lorne Balfe take on the idea. Or a John Powell. Or a Junkie Xl (lol)


Oscarilbo2017-05-31 21:56:25
Exactly! ... liked the expression; a bit more of a "swashbuckling sound" is just what I tried to say. If I recall correctly is part of the "freshness" they wanted to "reboot" with this franchise.

And yeah, definitely it would have sounded different with any of those.



MrOLX2017-06-26 15:11:32
This theme is probably Branderbourg Concerto no. 3.


MrOLX2017-06-26 15:19:45
Oh, theme is Brandenburg Concerto no. 3, no Branderbourg Concerto no. 3.


mpolonest123 2017-09-16 02:18:43
Just saw the film recently and boy, what a mess. In some ways itís worse than Stranger Tides, mainly because the writing comes across as fan fiction and you can tell that they put effort into making it, which increased my personal disappointment.

The score on the other hand, after hearing it in context, is incredible. While my issue with the recording mix still stands, Geoff knocked it out of the ballpark. Each theme is used correctly and actually receive development throughout. And there are SEVERAL unreleased cues that stood out to me. The only reason I want this franchise to continue is to hear what else he would write lol

David reply Replies: 3 || 2017-07-25 10:15:50
Doesn't beat the first three films, however, I think this score is brilliant in its own right. I love the new themes Zanelli brought to the table (Carina/Barbossa theme, Salazar's theme, Adventure theme, etc.) and he did a fantastic job at blending old and new music to create something that sounded unique, yet classic at the same time. Cannot wait until the Complete Score is released.

I would say On Stranger Tides is my least favorite score (although it has some fantastic cues and themes (Blackbeard's theme, Angelica's theme, Spanish theme, etc.). Just felt like it was really missing the heart and emotion of the first 3 scores, which Dead Men Tell No Tales brought back. Honestly, it's still a fantastic score, and much better than the majority of blockbuster soundtracks I hear today.


David2017-07-25 23:32:25
Oh great, there's another David! :/

It's funny you and Everan (over on the TF5 page) think the complete scores for these films will be getting "released"! :P


Everan2017-07-26 02:27:59
Never said they will be released, I said might.


David2017-07-26 12:05:47
When I say "released" that doesn't necessarily mean in a...legal sense

Catastrophic Jones reply Replies: 3 || 2017-07-21 01:40:42
Having gotten the chance to meet Geoff a couple months back at the ASCAP Expo (albeit very briefly) it was clear he was very enthusiastic about working on Pirates, and even The Lone Ranger which the Disney soundtrack executive tried to silence him on talking about lol While nothing will ever compare to the original trilogy, score wise and film wise, this is a very nicely executed extension of the music in the world of Pirates. It's on the scale of honoring the original style and themes while injecting some new material much like what Giacchino did with Rogue One, which I happened to have liked as well. It's not meant to be the kind of score that stands out as 'unique and different', it's about honoring the tradition. I look forward to hearing what else Zanelli has to offer in the future.


Callahan2017-07-21 01:54:17
Yes. PoTC 5 is not the best score of the franchise, but it sure is, until now, the best CD that RC / MV produced in the year.


Hale2017-07-21 13:31:50
Wonder Woman wasn't too bad :D


Callahan2017-07-21 15:44:49
I agree, but this one is much better.

romuald reply Replies: 6 || 2017-07-10 19:20:55
Hello,

Anyone can tell what is the instrument used in Dead Men Tell No Tales at about 1:00, I like it.

Regards

Romuald


James2017-07-10 19:40:06
A duduk.


Max Potcats2017-07-10 23:14:36
Wasn't it used in Gladiator and in At World's End (at the end of the discussion with Keith Richard and Sparrow ?). Sounds like


James2017-07-10 23:57:55
Indeed


Iamtommie2017-07-11 10:06:51
It's also used in the first Narnia. In a Narnia Lullaby. This is what Tumnus is playing in his house.


romuald2017-07-11 10:26:10
Thank you everybody, what a cool instrument!!! Could I find a plug in with this instrument???

Romuald



Patrick2017-07-11 13:41:10
There are some VST plugins, e. g. as part of the Quantum Leap East West RA Collection by Soundsonline (~300$), Desert Winds by Bestservice (~111Ä) and Ilya Efimov Armenian Duduk (~70Ä). There are also some free ones, but their sounds is more or less MIDI ringtone quality, e. g. "Oriental Scale" (vst4free.com/free_vst.php?id=417)

Nick reply Replies: 4 || 2017-06-25 10:32:24
I must be the biggest weirdo in all of film score history, because the highlight of DMTNT for me was "I've Come With the Butcher's Bill." It resonated instrumentally, most notably that badass cello (?) at around the 2:35 mark, it was the perfect blend of old and new themes, and best of all, it sounded like a swashbuckling theme. As much as I loved the action cues in the first three, I sometimes felt that they resembled a Latin hell choir more than a traditional pirate piece, especially AWE. It's good listening, but sometimes it sounded more like Gregorian Chanters of the Caribbean. :P
I seriously blast Butcher's Bill out loud on the highway, I love it so much.


mpolonest123 2017-06-25 16:01:17
Not at all! ; ) That's one of my favorite tracks as well. I would also throw in the major chord progressions of the Trident theme in "Power of the Sea" and the INSANE electric cello statement of Salazar's theme at 3:00 in "Kill the Sparrow". Great workout tracks!


Hybrid Soldier2017-06-26 16:37:41
That cue is Mazzaro !


...2017-06-26 17:05:02
Does anyone notice the Barbossa/Beckett theme from On Stranger Tides at 1:52 in "Shansa"?


Medigo2017-06-27 18:15:00
shame the movie decided to apparently remove the electric cello Salazar rendition
boo!

PLEASE reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-31 18:46:56
does anyone know the song that pays on the string quartet when they first introduce Barbossa in the movie?

He is eating what looks like marshmellows and scratching his head during this scebe. Please guys!


MrOLX2017-06-26 09:13:16
Probably Branderbourg Concerto no. 3

David reply Replies: 2 || 2017-06-06 07:34:21
Hey Hybrid is there any chance you could update the tracklist with which pieces contain material written by HZ & Co from the previous 4 films? Please?


Iamtommie2017-06-21 00:09:06
1. "Dead Men Tell No Tales" 1:50
2. "Salazar" 4:33
3. "No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel" (includes elements of "He's a Pirate") 3:58
4. "You Speak of the Trident" 1:58
5. "The Devil's Triangle" 2:45
6. "Shansa" 3:12
7. "Kill the Filthy Pirate, I'll Wait" (includes elements of "He's a Pirate", "Jack Sparrow" and "Hoist the Colours Suite") 4:50
8. "The Dying Gull" (includes elements of "Hoist the Colours Suite") 1:00
9. "El Matador del Mar" (includes elements of "One Last Shot", "He's a Pirate", "Jack Sparrow" and "The Medallion Calls") 8:05
10. "Kill the Sparrow" 6:15
11. "She Needs the Sea" (includes elements of "One Last Shot", "Jack Sparrow", "Wheel of Fortune" and "The Medallion Calls") 2:32
12. "The Brightest Star in the North" 6:00
13. "I've Come with the Butcher's Bill" (includes elements of "Lord Cutler Beckett", "Swords Crossed" and "Wheel of Fortune") 6:40
14. "The Power of the Sea" 4:07
15. "Treasure" (includes elements of "The Black Pearl" and "I Don't Think Now Is the Best Time") 5:43
16. "My Name Is Barbossa" (includes elements of "One Last Shot", "Marry Me" and "Jack Sparrow") 5:34
17. "Beyond My Beloved Horizon" (includes elements of "He's a Pirate") 2:40


Guy Fawkes2017-06-21 16:00:13
"No Woman Has Ever..." also includes The Medallion Calls and Jack Sparrow. And "Kill the Filthy" also includes Marry Me. This list is way estimated... The best thing it will be know the credits of every song, I think.

Can I Just Say... reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-21 13:32:48
That 6:09 to 6:38 of "El Matador Del Mar" was clearly temped with 6:36 to 6:59 of "Barbarian Horde" from "Gladiator". It stood out so much that I had to do a double take and replay the track just to make sure I wasn't listening to the wrong album! But overall, I have really enjoyed this album: it is a nice extension and slight development of Hans' (and others') themes from the previous movies, and Zanelli's new additions (although a bit bland and generic) really fit in musically to the "Pirates of the Caribbean" sound we've come to know (and which some of us love). I actually also like the mixing work that was done on the soundtrack: it really gives the orchestral recording a big, thick, organic sound, much more so than the previous scores which were quite synthetic (even "On Stranger Tides", with barely any synths used at all, was mixed to a degree where it still sounded relatively unnatural and overly bassy).

Leo reply Replies: 6 || 2017-06-03 12:40:26
In Dead Men Tell No Tales, what is the song that plays right after Barbossa tells Jack "Time to race the dead."? The theme plays while Jack is complaint about going away from land.


Mandarin2017-06-03 18:34:45
Unfourtanately this theme wasn't included in the OST. Seems like we have to wait for complete score.


Pirate's Life2017-06-05 13:12:17
When will be the complete score?


iamtommie2017-06-05 14:11:02
I base my answer on last years Captain America: Civil War's complete score.
Civil War also out in May. The tracklist of the complete score was on this website in October. At the end of Decemeber the complete score was released.

Maybe this will be the same with Pirates 5


George2017-06-05 15:49:06
Well I hope that in the complete score release there will be more suites. I love the new adventure theme but I would like a track with it having more play time and more development, guess we'll see though


Mandarin2017-06-06 20:49:19
Complete score is usually released all of a sudden. We will be happy if it actually is released. Still waiting for complete score of Batman v Superman and Inferno...


Nikolas 2017-06-17 23:46:46
The song you are asking is a remake of the "Barbossa is Hungry" from the first movie

Alexander reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-06 14:12:17
For anyone here who is listening to vinyl music as well, the company "music on vinyl" is now trying to get the rights to press the pirates scores on vinyl :)

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James reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-06 02:20:03
Where is the suite?

dnp reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-05 18:16:57
not good

iamtommie reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-31 13:01:08
I've seen the movie twice and I concluded that "The Brightest Star In The North" is split up in the movie. In the movie in between the two pieces "I've come with the butchers Bill' is heard.


David2017-05-31 15:52:28
Having seen it twice are you able to put it in chronological order?? :D


Iamtommie2017-05-31 15:57:00
Yes, why not. I'm a filmmusicfreak, so I know most of the soundtrack by heart. So if I watch yhe movie I can easily put the right tracks under the right scene.


Medigo2017-06-01 23:26:16
the tracks seem to be mostly chronological anyway
and none of them are suites

Oscarilbo reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-31 22:19:04
https://youtu.be/3mUcaauaNrs

If you want to listen to a very interesting interview with Zanelli discussing not only his composer career, but his input on the POTC saga from COTBP to DMTNT to a great detail, here it is from Film.Music.Media, just released 6 days ago.


Lejti2017-06-01 15:32:12
This video is on the main page of the site.

zulu reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-31 16:40:58
Worst Movie & Score ever!


Alexander 2017-05-31 17:30:28
Come on it is not the worst score ever. For sure it can't lift up to "At worlds end" but with "At worlds end" the bar has been risen very high. It's a nice too hear score and it is a bit like the first one.

Jack Afrogarrix 2017 reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-30 00:08:23
Nice Music By Geoff Zanelli This Is my First Time I see The movie And Is Awsome . But With Hans Zimmer's pirates Theme plus With Salazar's Theme best movie & Score Ever


Edmund Meinerts2017-05-30 00:43:27
Best Movie and Score Ever?????? WOW!!!!1!!111!1!oneoneone1!1!


Amber2017-05-30 01:31:15
The score is good. In the same level of the first and second ones. The only problem is the weakness of the new themes.For a pirate score: 3,5/5


Mephariel2017-05-31 16:18:26
Best Move AND Score ever...WOW


Dan reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-29 17:13:06
Twice heard and already the first time it was exhausting. The biggest disappointment of the year! Typical 08/15 score


Meta2017-05-29 18:17:35
I see nothing wrong with this score.

It doesn't have the gimmick of Tides with the Spanish guitar riffs, doesn't have a crappy album presentation, sounds pretty much like a pirates score...

and at least has a couple of decent themes in it, to boot.

At film number 5 I don't expect genius. I expect serviceable and respectful to what came before, and we get that here....

No prob, Bob!


Iamtommie2017-05-29 18:25:52
If you listen to El Matador Del Mar from 4:50 to 6:50, you can't say it'sthe biggest dissappoinment of the year. That cue and a bunch of ithers are very 'Pirates'.
Together it is a good solid score.


Dan2017-05-29 22:13:07
It is my opinion! Just because a minute or so good is not the whole soundtrack is great.

Alexander reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-29 19:10:19
Is anyone here who thinks that the version of the opening music which joachim roenning has posted, on his instagram, sounds much better than the one that is used in the movie ?!?


Hybrid Soldier2017-05-29 19:17:51
It was a previous version and honestly, it was just POTC 2's opening rip... lol


Alexander 2017-05-29 21:09:31
Yea sounds a bit like pirates 2:D I still think that the "demo version" was much better because of its melody, the film version is just the beat if you want so.

Miska reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-28 12:44:39
Do anyone know what was that soundtrack that plays at opening scene? There where The Flying Dutchman rises from the sea, adn will and Henry have a little discourse. I think it`s some variation of "one day".


Hybrid Soldier2017-05-28 12:51:25
It's not in the OST release... :/


Eric2017-05-29 03:48:36
It's the same as One Day just re-scored


Alexander2017-05-29 19:00:35
I think it is a huge mistake that this is not on the score because it is (in my opinion) one of the best version of "one day". And its the full song and not just a short version like "my name is Barbossa". But at least you can say that the version in the ending scene sounded very very big and majestic.

Oscarilbo reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-28 20:08:16
Well.. I saw the movie, and I liked though not as much as the trilogy, but its very enjoyable in its own right. Capture much more of the firsts movies feeling that OST did. What I think I missed the most was Verbinski's weird sensibilities, grittiness and timming, but oh well as long as he doesn't want to return to this series, it will be something to miss for ever.

As for the Zanelli's score I loved it. I think is much better than Curse of the Black Pearl, which I think is the one we should compare with. Remember this new movie is, in theory the 1st one of a new part of the saga, so... compare it to AWE I think is very unfair... Not just the characters but the story itself must earn the epicness just as AWE did, thats how Zimmer desceibed it at the time. So this new one is the lowest end of Pirates epicness yet, or at least is the way I see it. If they keep doing more and Zenlli is still there, I'm sure it'll have to grow in scope and reach AWE highs and maybe even more.

Joseph Solano reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-27 21:10:12
I haven't seen the movie yet, but I will soon, but I've heard the soundtrack and I have only one thing to say. This is the best score of the franchise since At World's End. I had tears in my eyes every time an old theme played. I liked the score for On Stranger Tides, but I didn't like how it relied too much on older themes. I appreciate this score for not using the Ship battle theme and the rolling cage chase motif which I'm kinda tired of hearing them. I love the clever use of One Day as a theme for Henry Turner. Of course, everytime Jack's Themes (both the intro theme, the cello theme, and his DMC theme) and He's A Pirate show up, I can't help but smile and jump up and down. What about the new stuff? A lot of people have criticized Salazar's Theme for sounding like Blackbeard. It does don't get me wrong, but Zanelli isn't the first person to do this. The Winter Soldier is derived from Why So Serious. Optimus Prime's theme is IDENTICAL to the Knights March from King Arthur. Discombobulate from Sherlock Holmes, Absurdity from The Lone Ranger, and The Red Capes Are Coming from Batman v. Superman ALL SOUND THE SAME. They're awesome, but similar. Why is it so bad now? I like the rock elements in Salazar's theme and it makes it quite scary. Carina's Theme (The Brightest Star in the North) is also the main theme of the movie and it is perfect beyond belief. Her theme very much resembles past love themes, but it has a sense of herorism to it. I always gravitate to composer's themes for female characters (John Williams with my girls from Star Wars). The new adventure theme is epic! It does sound like He's A Pirate, but it is very catchy. I don't know what the score sounds like in the movie, but it sounds really good on the official soundtrack. To end this, all the action music is incredibly fun. Hans should be proud. Here are my top 5 favorite tracks:

1. Beyond My Beloved Horizon
2. The Brightest Star in the North
3. No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel
4. My Name is Barbossa
5. The Dying Gull


James2017-05-27 21:30:26
Maybe because it is IDENTICAL the another theme of the same series?


Edmund Meinerts2017-05-27 21:36:50
"This is the best score of the franchise since At World's End."

Watch out you don't trip over that low bar. ;)


Iamtommie2017-05-28 00:03:21
I saw the movie tonight and I think that the music is great on the album, but in the movie it's fantastic. It gives something special and something extra to a lot of scenes. I think Zanelli did a great job on the score, with the use if new and old themes.

Soroush reply Replies: 4 || 2017-05-26 11:05:10
As "Hedon" said below, "Zanelli is a great arranger, but he is not a great composer". I extremely agree with him.
I believe if someone like John Powell had done this score, we would hear a far better soundtrack. All of us saw what a spectacular job he did in KungFu Panda 2 with Hans.
The obvious thing is people like John Powell, Harry Gregson-Williams, JunkieXL or Nick Glennie-Smith, their mind moves where Hans' moves.
I'm not saying Zanelli does not include this case, I'm saying there were so many better options to choose the right person to do this score.


Miguel2017-05-26 13:05:56
Would love to hear what Balfe would have done . Maybe next time


Alexander2017-05-26 15:51:46
I hope Hans will "return" to the Pirates franchise I mean he has not done "Dead men tell no tales" just because Dunkirk and his live tour were in the way. Even Zanelli said that they all sat together and felt ready to start the project. Because of the fact that Zanelli is responsible that the "he's a pirate" theme sounds like it does I would love to hear a Score by Hans Zimmer & Geoff Zanelli for the real Finale !


Hedon2017-05-27 19:46:51
What I don't understand is why couldn't they at least aim for the best soundscape this franchise have had by bringing the rest of the team from AWE of composers, arrangers and orchestrators back. If we look at AWE, apart from Zimmer, there was Zanelli, Jackman, Glennie-Smith, Balfe, ÷rvarsson, Gire and Sponsler on board. If they could choose one lead composer in Zimmer's absence, then whatever some dude wrote would at least sound interesting because of the colorful instrumentation and big, fresh orchestral sound AWE had. Or maybe, just rearrange old themes from the other movies in true AWE style would work just as well. There's plenty of material from POTC 1 that hasn't been used in the other films, and much of it would shine if orchestrated and performed in AWE's sonic fashion rather than the cheap sound the first film had.


Hybrid Soldier2017-05-27 20:51:29
The orchestrators are the same.

You really think the other composers aren't busy enough these days ? It was 10 YEARS ago ! lol

Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-27 15:56:03
Zanelli made a wonderful job with Zimmer's themes.
The new themes are great too, but he really did Zimmer's themes justice. I like the continuity.
Track 9.El Matador Del Mar, my favorite on the album.

Jeffrey Rose reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-27 02:11:25
I swear I heard Last of the Mohicans in the movie twice. Maybe it was the slowing of the classic pirate theme. I will figure it out next time I watch.


Jeffrey Rose2017-05-27 02:21:34
Listen to 12:38 above and then also Main Title or Top of the World from Last of the Mohicans. Trevor Jones should have a listen.


James D.2017-05-27 03:54:12
This is "One day" theme of the third soundtrack xD

Iamtommie reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-26 20:44:45
Does anyone know if the score is in the same order it is played in the movie??


Max Potcats2017-05-26 22:15:18
Of memory I think is it the order of the movie, but I think some tracks are mixed in one, for exemple el matador del mar (like At Wit's End in potc3) :-)


Iamtommie2017-05-26 22:39:09
Thanks!!

... reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-26 19:16:44
Y'know, if the Salazar sounded more like the variation in Kill the Sparrow, it would have worked way better than the generic sound we get through the rest of it.

Eric reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-26 13:35:00
Saw the Movie last night listening to the soundtrack now and I must say I'm impressed. I like how Salazars theme is sorta a collab of Previous villian themes from the films Zanelli probably did this to imply how Salazar is the most evil Villain in the franchise(do I think he will be in Pirates 6 returning as the villian alongside another certain villian if you watch the end credits scene, yes). Carina theme is just a beautiful elegant piece which I am now classifying as the Barbossa family theme. The new adventure theme reminds me of the song Skull And Crossbones from Curse Of The Black Pearl. They used Becketts theme for Barbossa in the film like they did in On Stranger Tides and had more tracks with it so theirs a big imporovment. The heroic Jack theme was used way more in this film than OST which wasn't their at all. What I like a lot that they did is this soundtrack has a lot of tracks from the movie so that is a huge improvement with a Pirates film. Sorta wished Davy Jones theme was used for Will but also glad they didn't. Geoff Zanelli did a great Job and he should come back or Pirates 6.


Waymann2017-05-26 14:30:40
I'm impressed either with the fact that for now I don't recall any big parts missing in this score like with the previous movies. The only thing i'm missing now is the part right after the first track (the music used in the beginning on the Dutchman) but that was actually the One Day suite from AWE so not really a big deal.

Marco Antonio reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-26 12:31:54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgLktF1bSpE There is the full Soundtrack on Disney Vevo ;)

Micah reply Replies: 5 || 2017-05-26 00:03:25
I'm on track 9 at the moment. Nothing especially memorable so far, but I do love the return of the Love Theme and Hoist the Colors.

Salazar's theme isn't as bad as I thought it would be, but it does seem to get repetative quickly. Hopefully the score isn't as blatantly bad on-screen as OST was. That film and score was a mess.


Oscarilbo2017-05-26 02:02:10
final veredict?


Micah2017-05-26 04:28:58
After my first listen, it's a good score, but nothing extremely memorable.

Carina's theme is nice, as is the new adventure theme. I would have liked a bit more of the classic POTC themes, but after re-watching OST tonight, I'm kind of glad they didn't overdo it the way they did on that score.

My biggest gripe is that the score tends to blend together without much to differentiate it. The action cues are...good, but don't stand out the way "Wheel of Fortune" and "I Don't Think Now's The Best Time" do.

The main highlights are "The Dying Gull" and "My Name Is Barbossa", both which rely on old themes from At World's End. I LOVE Zanelli's mixture of the love theme and Hoist the Colors, and the mixture of Henry and Carina's themes is beautiful. The latter half of "Barbossa" does seem to be a direct rip from earlier scores, but it's still the standout.

All in all, I'd give it a 6 or 7/10. I've heard worse, but it could be better. It will most likely grow on me, though. Most albums tend to do that.


Mephariel2017-05-26 07:30:44
I just finished the score. All I really wanted Zanelli to do was to create a fun, high energy score, and even that...I can't really say he did a successful job. The first half of the score was just flat out boring. Unlike Zimmer, Zanelli completely stripped the score of ethnic, percussion idiophonic elements, sweeping romantic themes, and dynamic epic composition. The only two cues that really captured the Pirates series are "The Power of The Sea" and "Treasure" and even those cues pale in comparison to the power anthems in At World's End. The other cue that stood out was "My Name is Barbossa," but only because of its complete reliance on Zimmer's best themes. None of the new materials are at all memorable.

A lot of the reviews complained about the score being annoying or loud. I haven't seen the movie, but I can believe it. Some of the action stuff are just irritating to listen to, especially since they sounded so cheap.


Hedon2017-05-26 10:37:47
The thing is... Zanelli is a great arranger, but he is not a great composer. No one writes Zimmer tunes like Zimmer. Things work out excellent, however, when Zimmer composes and Zanelli arranges his themes. To compose new themes for this franchise I would rather see Nick Glennie-Smith, Klaus Badelt, Matthew Margeson, Steve Jablonsky or James Dooley handle the composing duties. My top picks other than Zimmer for great tunes/themes would be Thomas Bergesen (from Two Steps from Hell), John Powell or Harry Gregson-Williams. But I'm not sure if their "sound" would fit into the franchise. If they just wrote the themes, Zimmers arrangers would make it work.


Rebel2017-05-26 11:09:28
After listening to the full score several times I can say that it's a nice mixture of arround 60% new themes and 40% old themes. Moreover it's cleverly written in a sense that it feels familiar yet new. Althought Zanelli is definitely no Zimmer, he definitelly does get pirate scoring. If I had to give it a rating it would be a definite 7.5/10.
It's definitely a score worth listening and you should skip it just because Zimmer didn't write it.

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