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How do you know? Have you heard it yet?Short bits from the zurich concert:<br><br>--> the e-guitar mixed with percussion is too loud. During the Dark Knight and Crimson Tide you could barely hear the melody lines played by the strings which is my biggest complain (the only one actually)<br>--> choir is amazing and can luckily beat the loud drums.<br>--> music selection is good and most of the time nice medleys<br>--> live singer are a lot better (on the stage !) than i expected. Especially the lion king and gladiator pieces are well done with the voices.<br>--> surprisingly long concert with over 3 hours (including 20 minutes break)<br>--> First half of the concert is perfect ! Good mix of classic and modern pieces/styles. Second half is a bit too much with spiderman, inception, interstellar, man of steel as they are all very percussion heavy. At that point you may get tired of it. Still i was impressed until the last minute and most people in the crowd too i guess.<br>--> hans said zurich is his 38th show on the tour and he showed no lack of energy. He was quite entertaining during his talk bits.<br><br>I hope in some years he will do another tour with some new pieces :)The Mole - Full clock-ticking and rythm<br>@MrZimmerFan Oh I love Inception too, it's a great score. But that album situation though.,.. missing some major cues. At least Interstellar was a solid release, only missing one major track.Doesn't anyone know which track is the piece used for the end of the series ? Is it on the EP?
The movie is 1H47Mins long with credits. If credits are 7 minutes long, we're left with a 100 minute movie (who knows how much music was written/used). Not to mention the relentless pace. I want to believe that we might get everything we want/need out of this release but I'm really not sure.I love Inception<br><br>;PWhile it would be unusual for a Zimmer/Nolan collab to not have any suites, we still don't know how much music is in the film itself. Take 12YAS for example; a 2 hour movie with only 40 minutes of score. For all we know, this release might be 80% of the music written.... or more.<br><br>Now if it's anything like Inception (which is such a disappointing album) then this will be a letdown.Definitely not two hours though since CDs are limited to 74-80mins of audio. I was hoping for an extended digital deluxe edition. <br>It's a bootleg so no release on CD but it's available in some others places...
Dear Hans,<br><br>I'm french and drove 400 km to be in NÓmes on june the 24th and I've never felt so lucky than this day. <br>To see and to hear your musicians and you playing was a dream. I fell in love with your music when I was about 15 and had tears in my eyes when hearing the Rain Man theme. <br>You're a great composer M. Zimmer and a great man. Respectful to your musicians and audience. <br><br>I hope you'll be back in France soon, not just for me but for all those who couldn't see you until then and, even if I have more kilometers to drive, I'll do them easily to have the chance to see you again on stage.<br><br>Affectionately.<br><br>GaŽlleThis album will probably around 1 hour... Inception had 12 tracks and was 49 minutes without the two bonus tracks.Those 11 tracks could be each over ten minutes long and the album be pushing two hours for all you know.Aside from the suites it appears to be!!A memorable and stunning soundtrack by Balfe . It represents everything about Einstein .
https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2017/06/christopher-nolan-com ments-on-hans-zimmers-dunkirk-score/Does anyone know if the score will sound like the trailer music? The song with the weird instrumental dubstep even though it's WWII, and dubstep/electronics would make no sense for that era?So You really like it more that "merlin's Staff" ?I understand why there are only 11 tracks, but I hope we get more demos and suites in the future.Vivian is one of the best tracks I've heard in any movie.
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Geoff ZanelliPhill BoucherPaul MounseySteve Mazzaro
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Pirates Of The Caribbean - Dead Men Tell No Tales
Label: Walt Disney Records
Length: 71'42
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  1. Dead Men Tell No Tales (1:51)
  2. Salazar (4:27)
  3. No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel (3:59)
  4. You Speak Of The Trident (1:58)
  5. The Devil's Triangle (2:45)
  6. Shansa (3:12)
  7. Kill The Filthy Pirate, I'll Wait (4:50)
  8. The Dying Gull (1:01)
  9. El Matador Del Mar (8:05)
  10. Kill The Sparrow (6:16)
  11. She Needs The Sea (2:32)
  12. The Brightest Star In The North (6:00)
  13. I've Come With The Butcher's Bill (6:41)
  14. The Power Of The Sea (4:07)
  15. Treasure (5:43)
  16. My Name Is Barbossa (5:34)
  17. Beyond My Beloved Horizon (2:41)
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Nick reply Replies: 4 || 2017-06-25 10:32:24
I must be the biggest weirdo in all of film score history, because the highlight of DMTNT for me was "I've Come With the Butcher's Bill." It resonated instrumentally, most notably that badass cello (?) at around the 2:35 mark, it was the perfect blend of old and new themes, and best of all, it sounded like a swashbuckling theme. As much as I loved the action cues in the first three, I sometimes felt that they resembled a Latin hell choir more than a traditional pirate piece, especially AWE. It's good listening, but sometimes it sounded more like Gregorian Chanters of the Caribbean. :P
I seriously blast Butcher's Bill out loud on the highway, I love it so much.


mpolonest123 2017-06-25 16:01:17
Not at all! ; ) That's one of my favorite tracks as well. I would also throw in the major chord progressions of the Trident theme in "Power of the Sea" and the INSANE electric cello statement of Salazar's theme at 3:00 in "Kill the Sparrow". Great workout tracks!


Hybrid Soldier2017-06-26 16:37:41
That cue is Mazzaro !


...2017-06-26 17:05:02
Does anyone notice the Barbossa/Beckett theme from On Stranger Tides at 1:52 in "Shansa"?


Medigo2017-06-27 18:15:00
shame the movie decided to apparently remove the electric cello Salazar rendition
boo!

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 9 || 2017-05-31 18:06:24
Honestly this score has been growing on me. Granted, it's definitely not in the same league as the other three but I do have to give Zanelli props for treating the material with respect and putting some actually effort into it. Even the themes, which I didn't really grasp the first few listens, have begun to stick with me (particularly the 'trident' motif). It's one of those scores where repeated listens definitely improve the experience.

I think one of the big issues that I've noticed is that Zanelli's writing style doesn't seem to mesh as well with the previous Pirate tunes. The recording mix certainly doesn't help either. The overall sound somewhat lacks that beefier Zimmer style which, to a degree, is understandable. Also, whoever forced the temp of Beckett's death in "Treasure" should be flogged.

Last but not least, I think this album certainly could have benefitted from some more suite type cues, assuming Zanelli wrote any. Say what you will about Zimmer inundating his albums with suites, at least it gives you an idea of the development of themes for that particular score. Just my two cents.


PLEASE2017-05-31 18:46:03
does anyone know the song that pays on the string quartet when they first introduce Barbossa in the movie?

He is eating what looks like marshmellows and scratching his head during this scebe. Please guys!


Oscarilbo2017-05-31 19:44:14
I keep wondering why anyone would feel like that about the new themes when Zanelli himself wrote several themes throughout the whole franchise?

His themes (at the least) includes Tia Dalma theme, the Music Island from DMC and The Spaniards theme from OST, and nobody said anything about not "meshing" well. I think if Zimmer had written them, maybe would have been criticized for not being as catchy as the main ones, but not for not matching with the rest.

Besides, I don't remember any of the main themes of the whole saga learned and sticked with me after several listens. I do loved them immediately the first time I watched the movies and listened to the albums, but couldn't humble them after a while (specially my favorite theme of all which is the AWE main theme. Same happened with The Force Awakens new themes).

So I think they are good-to-great themes, just wait a little longer.


mpolonest123 2017-05-31 19:58:48
I never said the themes themselves don't mesh, moreover the writing style/orchestration/recording mix of this particular score. Understandably, Geoff Zanelli isn't Hans Zimmer so obviously DMTNT isn't going to sound like Zimmer. But I do find it somewhat interesting that the previous Pirate scores, despite each having about 8 or 9 different composers on the team, always had a cohesive sound.

When listening to them as a whole (without the credits included) you can't always necessarily point out individual voices in the score as far as style or orchestration (such as that's a Zanelli or Jackman cue). That's one thing Zimmer has always excelled at, being able to write music in a group setting and always pull it together with one distinctive sound and cohesiveness. When I listen to this album I can obviously hear it not being from the same group that did Curse of the Black Pearl and so on.

It might sound like I'm complaining but I do like the fact that Zanelli wrote this in his own voice. I just feel like the reprises of previous themes do somewhat expose the differences in style and whatnot. But hey, that's just me. Overall I genuinely like this score, even the Salazar theme has grown on me (and to be fair I never really cared for Blackbeard's tune)


mpolonest1232017-05-31 20:01:21
And to clarify one thing, I do know that you can hear some DNA of the different ghost writers in the previous scores, but each cue meshes insanely well together without feeling like a team effort as opposed to TASM2 or Rango.


Oscarilbo2017-05-31 20:42:17
Oh I see.. sorry, I understand you better now.

And yes, I totally agree with you... it sounds different, but I think, by the interviews with Zanelli, you can tell is not by accident. In fact, for me at least, it sounds closer to a wider orchestral soundscape quality if you will than previous POTC scores. Which if you listen to pasts Zanelli's works you'll find more understandable (his personal musical preferences leans a little bit more towards classical than Zimmer's)

I listened the score with my Senn HD598 headphones and contrary to what others say, I found it to be a more breathable, wider, and orchestral recording than the previous soundtracks.


mpolonest123 2017-05-31 21:26:25
Yeah, I definitely agree. It has (for lack of a better word) a more swashbuckling sound as opposed to the faux rock style of the first two or the epic movements of AWE.

And DMTNT would definitely have sounded different regardless of who wrote it. Imagine a Lorne Balfe take on the idea. Or a John Powell. Or a Junkie Xl (lol)


Oscarilbo2017-05-31 21:56:25
Exactly! ... liked the expression; a bit more of a "swashbuckling sound" is just what I tried to say. If I recall correctly is part of the "freshness" they wanted to "reboot" with this franchise.

And yeah, definitely it would have sounded different with any of those.



MrOLX2017-06-26 15:11:32
This theme is probably Branderbourg Concerto no. 3.


MrOLX2017-06-26 15:19:45
Oh, theme is Brandenburg Concerto no. 3, no Branderbourg Concerto no. 3.

PLEASE reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-31 18:46:56
does anyone know the song that pays on the string quartet when they first introduce Barbossa in the movie?

He is eating what looks like marshmellows and scratching his head during this scebe. Please guys!


MrOLX2017-06-26 09:13:16
Probably Branderbourg Concerto no. 3

David reply Replies: 2 || 2017-06-06 07:34:21
Hey Hybrid is there any chance you could update the tracklist with which pieces contain material written by HZ & Co from the previous 4 films? Please?


Iamtommie2017-06-21 00:09:06
1. "Dead Men Tell No Tales" 1:50
2. "Salazar" 4:33
3. "No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel" (includes elements of "He's a Pirate") 3:58
4. "You Speak of the Trident" 1:58
5. "The Devil's Triangle" 2:45
6. "Shansa" 3:12
7. "Kill the Filthy Pirate, I'll Wait" (includes elements of "He's a Pirate", "Jack Sparrow" and "Hoist the Colours Suite") 4:50
8. "The Dying Gull" (includes elements of "Hoist the Colours Suite") 1:00
9. "El Matador del Mar" (includes elements of "One Last Shot", "He's a Pirate", "Jack Sparrow" and "The Medallion Calls") 8:05
10. "Kill the Sparrow" 6:15
11. "She Needs the Sea" (includes elements of "One Last Shot", "Jack Sparrow", "Wheel of Fortune" and "The Medallion Calls") 2:32
12. "The Brightest Star in the North" 6:00
13. "I've Come with the Butcher's Bill" (includes elements of "Lord Cutler Beckett", "Swords Crossed" and "Wheel of Fortune") 6:40
14. "The Power of the Sea" 4:07
15. "Treasure" (includes elements of "The Black Pearl" and "I Don't Think Now Is the Best Time") 5:43
16. "My Name Is Barbossa" (includes elements of "One Last Shot", "Marry Me" and "Jack Sparrow") 5:34
17. "Beyond My Beloved Horizon" (includes elements of "He's a Pirate") 2:40


Guy Fawkes2017-06-21 16:00:13
"No Woman Has Ever..." also includes The Medallion Calls and Jack Sparrow. And "Kill the Filthy" also includes Marry Me. This list is way estimated... The best thing it will be know the credits of every song, I think.

Can I Just Say... reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-21 13:32:48
That 6:09 to 6:38 of "El Matador Del Mar" was clearly temped with 6:36 to 6:59 of "Barbarian Horde" from "Gladiator". It stood out so much that I had to do a double take and replay the track just to make sure I wasn't listening to the wrong album! But overall, I have really enjoyed this album: it is a nice extension and slight development of Hans' (and others') themes from the previous movies, and Zanelli's new additions (although a bit bland and generic) really fit in musically to the "Pirates of the Caribbean" sound we've come to know (and which some of us love). I actually also like the mixing work that was done on the soundtrack: it really gives the orchestral recording a big, thick, organic sound, much more so than the previous scores which were quite synthetic (even "On Stranger Tides", with barely any synths used at all, was mixed to a degree where it still sounded relatively unnatural and overly bassy).

Leo reply Replies: 6 || 2017-06-03 12:40:26
In Dead Men Tell No Tales, what is the song that plays right after Barbossa tells Jack "Time to race the dead."? The theme plays while Jack is complaint about going away from land.


Mandarin2017-06-03 18:34:45
Unfourtanately this theme wasn't included in the OST. Seems like we have to wait for complete score.


Pirate's Life2017-06-05 13:12:17
When will be the complete score?


iamtommie2017-06-05 14:11:02
I base my answer on last years Captain America: Civil War's complete score.
Civil War also out in May. The tracklist of the complete score was on this website in October. At the end of Decemeber the complete score was released.

Maybe this will be the same with Pirates 5


George2017-06-05 15:49:06
Well I hope that in the complete score release there will be more suites. I love the new adventure theme but I would like a track with it having more play time and more development, guess we'll see though


Mandarin2017-06-06 20:49:19
Complete score is usually released all of a sudden. We will be happy if it actually is released. Still waiting for complete score of Batman v Superman and Inferno...


Nikolas 2017-06-17 23:46:46
The song you are asking is a remake of the "Barbossa is Hungry" from the first movie

Alexander reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-06 14:12:17
For anyone here who is listening to vinyl music as well, the company "music on vinyl" is now trying to get the rights to press the pirates scores on vinyl :)

James reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-06 02:20:03
Where is the suite?

dnp reply Replies: 0 || 2017-06-05 18:16:57
not good

iamtommie reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-31 13:01:08
I've seen the movie twice and I concluded that "The Brightest Star In The North" is split up in the movie. In the movie in between the two pieces "I've come with the butchers Bill' is heard.


David2017-05-31 15:52:28
Having seen it twice are you able to put it in chronological order?? :D


Iamtommie2017-05-31 15:57:00
Yes, why not. I'm a filmmusicfreak, so I know most of the soundtrack by heart. So if I watch yhe movie I can easily put the right tracks under the right scene.


Medigo2017-06-01 23:26:16
the tracks seem to be mostly chronological anyway
and none of them are suites

Oscarilbo reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-31 22:19:04
https://youtu.be/3mUcaauaNrs

If you want to listen to a very interesting interview with Zanelli discussing not only his composer career, but his input on the POTC saga from COTBP to DMTNT to a great detail, here it is from Film.Music.Media, just released 6 days ago.


Lejti2017-06-01 15:32:12
This video is on the main page of the site.

zulu reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-31 16:40:58
Worst Movie & Score ever!


Alexander 2017-05-31 17:30:28
Come on it is not the worst score ever. For sure it can't lift up to "At worlds end" but with "At worlds end" the bar has been risen very high. It's a nice too hear score and it is a bit like the first one.

Jack Afrogarrix 2017 reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-30 00:08:23
Nice Music By Geoff Zanelli This Is my First Time I see The movie And Is Awsome . But With Hans Zimmer's pirates Theme plus With Salazar's Theme best movie & Score Ever


Edmund Meinerts2017-05-30 00:43:27
Best Movie and Score Ever?????? WOW!!!!1!!111!1!oneoneone1!1!


Amber2017-05-30 01:31:15
The score is good. In the same level of the first and second ones. The only problem is the weakness of the new themes.For a pirate score: 3,5/5


Mephariel2017-05-31 16:18:26
Best Move AND Score ever...WOW


Dan reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-29 17:13:06
Twice heard and already the first time it was exhausting. The biggest disappointment of the year! Typical 08/15 score


Meta2017-05-29 18:17:35
I see nothing wrong with this score.

It doesn't have the gimmick of Tides with the Spanish guitar riffs, doesn't have a crappy album presentation, sounds pretty much like a pirates score...

and at least has a couple of decent themes in it, to boot.

At film number 5 I don't expect genius. I expect serviceable and respectful to what came before, and we get that here....

No prob, Bob!


Iamtommie2017-05-29 18:25:52
If you listen to El Matador Del Mar from 4:50 to 6:50, you can't say it'sthe biggest dissappoinment of the year. That cue and a bunch of ithers are very 'Pirates'.
Together it is a good solid score.


Dan2017-05-29 22:13:07
It is my opinion! Just because a minute or so good is not the whole soundtrack is great.

Alexander reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-29 19:10:19
Is anyone here who thinks that the version of the opening music which joachim roenning has posted, on his instagram, sounds much better than the one that is used in the movie ?!?


Hybrid Soldier2017-05-29 19:17:51
It was a previous version and honestly, it was just POTC 2's opening rip... lol


Alexander 2017-05-29 21:09:31
Yea sounds a bit like pirates 2:D I still think that the "demo version" was much better because of its melody, the film version is just the beat if you want so.

Miska reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-28 12:44:39
Do anyone know what was that soundtrack that plays at opening scene? There where The Flying Dutchman rises from the sea, adn will and Henry have a little discourse. I think it`s some variation of "one day".

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Hybrid Soldier2017-05-28 12:51:25
It's not in the OST release... :/


Eric2017-05-29 03:48:36
It's the same as One Day just re-scored


Alexander2017-05-29 19:00:35
I think it is a huge mistake that this is not on the score because it is (in my opinion) one of the best version of "one day". And its the full song and not just a short version like "my name is Barbossa". But at least you can say that the version in the ending scene sounded very very big and majestic.

Oscarilbo reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-28 20:08:16
Well.. I saw the movie, and I liked though not as much as the trilogy, but its very enjoyable in its own right. Capture much more of the firsts movies feeling that OST did. What I think I missed the most was Verbinski's weird sensibilities, grittiness and timming, but oh well as long as he doesn't want to return to this series, it will be something to miss for ever.

As for the Zanelli's score I loved it. I think is much better than Curse of the Black Pearl, which I think is the one we should compare with. Remember this new movie is, in theory the 1st one of a new part of the saga, so... compare it to AWE I think is very unfair... Not just the characters but the story itself must earn the epicness just as AWE did, thats how Zimmer desceibed it at the time. So this new one is the lowest end of Pirates epicness yet, or at least is the way I see it. If they keep doing more and Zenlli is still there, I'm sure it'll have to grow in scope and reach AWE highs and maybe even more.

Joseph Solano reply Replies: 3 || 2017-05-27 21:10:12
I haven't seen the movie yet, but I will soon, but I've heard the soundtrack and I have only one thing to say. This is the best score of the franchise since At World's End. I had tears in my eyes every time an old theme played. I liked the score for On Stranger Tides, but I didn't like how it relied too much on older themes. I appreciate this score for not using the Ship battle theme and the rolling cage chase motif which I'm kinda tired of hearing them. I love the clever use of One Day as a theme for Henry Turner. Of course, everytime Jack's Themes (both the intro theme, the cello theme, and his DMC theme) and He's A Pirate show up, I can't help but smile and jump up and down. What about the new stuff? A lot of people have criticized Salazar's Theme for sounding like Blackbeard. It does don't get me wrong, but Zanelli isn't the first person to do this. The Winter Soldier is derived from Why So Serious. Optimus Prime's theme is IDENTICAL to the Knights March from King Arthur. Discombobulate from Sherlock Holmes, Absurdity from The Lone Ranger, and The Red Capes Are Coming from Batman v. Superman ALL SOUND THE SAME. They're awesome, but similar. Why is it so bad now? I like the rock elements in Salazar's theme and it makes it quite scary. Carina's Theme (The Brightest Star in the North) is also the main theme of the movie and it is perfect beyond belief. Her theme very much resembles past love themes, but it has a sense of herorism to it. I always gravitate to composer's themes for female characters (John Williams with my girls from Star Wars). The new adventure theme is epic! It does sound like He's A Pirate, but it is very catchy. I don't know what the score sounds like in the movie, but it sounds really good on the official soundtrack. To end this, all the action music is incredibly fun. Hans should be proud. Here are my top 5 favorite tracks:

1. Beyond My Beloved Horizon
2. The Brightest Star in the North
3. No Woman Has Ever Handled My Herschel
4. My Name is Barbossa
5. The Dying Gull


James2017-05-27 21:30:26
Maybe because it is IDENTICAL the another theme of the same series?


Edmund Meinerts2017-05-27 21:36:50
"This is the best score of the franchise since At World's End."

Watch out you don't trip over that low bar. ;)


Iamtommie2017-05-28 00:03:21
I saw the movie tonight and I think that the music is great on the album, but in the movie it's fantastic. It gives something special and something extra to a lot of scenes. I think Zanelli did a great job on the score, with the use if new and old themes.

Soroush reply Replies: 4 || 2017-05-26 11:05:10
As "Hedon" said below, "Zanelli is a great arranger, but he is not a great composer". I extremely agree with him.
I believe if someone like John Powell had done this score, we would hear a far better soundtrack. All of us saw what a spectacular job he did in KungFu Panda 2 with Hans.
The obvious thing is people like John Powell, Harry Gregson-Williams, JunkieXL or Nick Glennie-Smith, their mind moves where Hans' moves.
I'm not saying Zanelli does not include this case, I'm saying there were so many better options to choose the right person to do this score.


Miguel2017-05-26 13:05:56
Would love to hear what Balfe would have done . Maybe next time


Alexander2017-05-26 15:51:46
I hope Hans will "return" to the Pirates franchise I mean he has not done "Dead men tell no tales" just because Dunkirk and his live tour were in the way. Even Zanelli said that they all sat together and felt ready to start the project. Because of the fact that Zanelli is responsible that the "he's a pirate" theme sounds like it does I would love to hear a Score by Hans Zimmer & Geoff Zanelli for the real Finale !


Hedon2017-05-27 19:46:51
What I don't understand is why couldn't they at least aim for the best soundscape this franchise have had by bringing the rest of the team from AWE of composers, arrangers and orchestrators back. If we look at AWE, apart from Zimmer, there was Zanelli, Jackman, Glennie-Smith, Balfe, ÷rvarsson, Gire and Sponsler on board. If they could choose one lead composer in Zimmer's absence, then whatever some dude wrote would at least sound interesting because of the colorful instrumentation and big, fresh orchestral sound AWE had. Or maybe, just rearrange old themes from the other movies in true AWE style would work just as well. There's plenty of material from POTC 1 that hasn't been used in the other films, and much of it would shine if orchestrated and performed in AWE's sonic fashion rather than the cheap sound the first film had.


Hybrid Soldier2017-05-27 20:51:29
The orchestrators are the same.

You really think the other composers aren't busy enough these days ? It was 10 YEARS ago ! lol

Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-27 15:56:03
Zanelli made a wonderful job with Zimmer's themes.
The new themes are great too, but he really did Zimmer's themes justice. I like the continuity.
Track 9.El Matador Del Mar, my favorite on the album.

Jeffrey Rose reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-27 02:11:25
I swear I heard Last of the Mohicans in the movie twice. Maybe it was the slowing of the classic pirate theme. I will figure it out next time I watch.


Jeffrey Rose2017-05-27 02:21:34
Listen to 12:38 above and then also Main Title or Top of the World from Last of the Mohicans. Trevor Jones should have a listen.


James D.2017-05-27 03:54:12
This is "One day" theme of the third soundtrack xD

Iamtommie reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-26 20:44:45
Does anyone know if the score is in the same order it is played in the movie??


Max Potcats2017-05-26 22:15:18
Of memory I think is it the order of the movie, but I think some tracks are mixed in one, for exemple el matador del mar (like At Wit's End in potc3) :-)


Iamtommie2017-05-26 22:39:09
Thanks!!

... reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-26 19:16:44
Y'know, if the Salazar sounded more like the variation in Kill the Sparrow, it would have worked way better than the generic sound we get through the rest of it.

Eric reply Replies: 1 || 2017-05-26 13:35:00
Saw the Movie last night listening to the soundtrack now and I must say I'm impressed. I like how Salazars theme is sorta a collab of Previous villian themes from the films Zanelli probably did this to imply how Salazar is the most evil Villain in the franchise(do I think he will be in Pirates 6 returning as the villian alongside another certain villian if you watch the end credits scene, yes). Carina theme is just a beautiful elegant piece which I am now classifying as the Barbossa family theme. The new adventure theme reminds me of the song Skull And Crossbones from Curse Of The Black Pearl. They used Becketts theme for Barbossa in the film like they did in On Stranger Tides and had more tracks with it so theirs a big imporovment. The heroic Jack theme was used way more in this film than OST which wasn't their at all. What I like a lot that they did is this soundtrack has a lot of tracks from the movie so that is a huge improvement with a Pirates film. Sorta wished Davy Jones theme was used for Will but also glad they didn't. Geoff Zanelli did a great Job and he should come back or Pirates 6.


Waymann2017-05-26 14:30:40
I'm impressed either with the fact that for now I don't recall any big parts missing in this score like with the previous movies. The only thing i'm missing now is the part right after the first track (the music used in the beginning on the Dutchman) but that was actually the One Day suite from AWE so not really a big deal.

Marco Antonio reply Replies: 0 || 2017-05-26 12:31:54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgLktF1bSpE There is the full Soundtrack on Disney Vevo ;)

Micah reply Replies: 5 || 2017-05-26 00:03:25
I'm on track 9 at the moment. Nothing especially memorable so far, but I do love the return of the Love Theme and Hoist the Colors.

Salazar's theme isn't as bad as I thought it would be, but it does seem to get repetative quickly. Hopefully the score isn't as blatantly bad on-screen as OST was. That film and score was a mess.


Oscarilbo2017-05-26 02:02:10
final veredict?


Micah2017-05-26 04:28:58
After my first listen, it's a good score, but nothing extremely memorable.

Carina's theme is nice, as is the new adventure theme. I would have liked a bit more of the classic POTC themes, but after re-watching OST tonight, I'm kind of glad they didn't overdo it the way they did on that score.

My biggest gripe is that the score tends to blend together without much to differentiate it. The action cues are...good, but don't stand out the way "Wheel of Fortune" and "I Don't Think Now's The Best Time" do.

The main highlights are "The Dying Gull" and "My Name Is Barbossa", both which rely on old themes from At World's End. I LOVE Zanelli's mixture of the love theme and Hoist the Colors, and the mixture of Henry and Carina's themes is beautiful. The latter half of "Barbossa" does seem to be a direct rip from earlier scores, but it's still the standout.

All in all, I'd give it a 6 or 7/10. I've heard worse, but it could be better. It will most likely grow on me, though. Most albums tend to do that.


Mephariel2017-05-26 07:30:44
I just finished the score. All I really wanted Zanelli to do was to create a fun, high energy score, and even that...I can't really say he did a successful job. The first half of the score was just flat out boring. Unlike Zimmer, Zanelli completely stripped the score of ethnic, percussion idiophonic elements, sweeping romantic themes, and dynamic epic composition. The only two cues that really captured the Pirates series are "The Power of The Sea" and "Treasure" and even those cues pale in comparison to the power anthems in At World's End. The other cue that stood out was "My Name is Barbossa," but only because of its complete reliance on Zimmer's best themes. None of the new materials are at all memorable.

A lot of the reviews complained about the score being annoying or loud. I haven't seen the movie, but I can believe it. Some of the action stuff are just irritating to listen to, especially since they sounded so cheap.


Hedon2017-05-26 10:37:47
The thing is... Zanelli is a great arranger, but he is not a great composer. No one writes Zimmer tunes like Zimmer. Things work out excellent, however, when Zimmer composes and Zanelli arranges his themes. To compose new themes for this franchise I would rather see Nick Glennie-Smith, Klaus Badelt, Matthew Margeson, Steve Jablonsky or James Dooley handle the composing duties. My top picks other than Zimmer for great tunes/themes would be Thomas Bergesen (from Two Steps from Hell), John Powell or Harry Gregson-Williams. But I'm not sure if their "sound" would fit into the franchise. If they just wrote the themes, Zimmers arrangers would make it work.


Rebel2017-05-26 11:09:28
After listening to the full score several times I can say that it's a nice mixture of arround 60% new themes and 40% old themes. Moreover it's cleverly written in a sense that it feels familiar yet new. Althought Zanelli is definitely no Zimmer, he definitelly does get pirate scoring. If I had to give it a rating it would be a definite 7.5/10.
It's definitely a score worth listening and you should skip it just because Zimmer didn't write it.

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 2 || 2017-05-26 02:26:19
For everyone complaining about the mix of this album don't forget, nothing beats Curse of the Black Pearl in terms of an awful recording mix. When you have a 'synthy' sounding orchestra and bass gain distortions that actually make it to album this really isn't anything in comparison.

And I think the key difference between Zimmer and Zanelli (at least on this franchises' terms) is that most of the themes Zimmer wrote for the franchise (Davy Jones, Beckett, Kraken, pretty much all of the original tunes from the 1st one, etc.) were actually incredibly simplistic. Geoff's tunes are less streamlined. They aren't bad by any means, but it's telling when the strongest parts are the reprises of things like Hoist the Colours and Marry Me.


Oscarilbo2017-05-26 03:07:33
Well... as you say, Zanelli's tunes tend to be less streamlined. You can hear it in his themes for Into the West, The Pacific, Outlander (the movie) and even the Spaniards themes in OST.

Not to say Zimmer's aren't great in their own merit, but are not always the same exact approach.


mpolonest123 2017-05-26 03:27:28
Right. The difference between Zimmer and many other composers (for me at least) is that you can almost immediately tell if you like a Zimmer score off the bat. DMTNT is something that needs a few listens to grow on you, and so far I'm liking what I hear.

When I heard Fantastic Beasts for the first time I was initially disappointed but after about 3 listens and hearing it in context it became my favorite score of the year. Everyone is different of course, but I feel like this score will grow on people with time.

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 5 || 2017-05-25 19:05:36
I have to say, it still surprises me there's no "theme by Hans Zimmer" credit on the cover or in the booklet. This score has the main theme (1), Jack's theme (2), the Marry Me theme (3), and Hoist the Colors (4), along with some obvious temp stuff, and all Hans gets is a thanks?

Not that it really matters, and hey, some would argue Geoff wasn't properly credited when Hans was in charge. Oh well. We know crediting has never been something RCP particularly cares about. :P I do like the overall score, and I think they couldn't have picked a better composer than Geoff in Hans' absence. Geoff said Hans and the directors and he all got together to discuss the music, so...was it Hans' idea to, say, use the Marry Me theme for Henry?


iii2017-05-25 19:38:29
'I think they couldn't have picked a better composer than Geoff in Hans' absence'

I disagree, Mike. The strongest arrangements of Hans' material in the franchise were Henry Jackman.

'some would argue Geoff wasn't properly credited when Hans was in charge.'

'some' would be wrong. Geoff Zanelli was credited as an additional music arranger because that's what he did. The weakness of this score's ideas in comparison to particularly the third one speaks to the importance of the primary composer. There is nothing in this score the equivalent of "Marry Me" or "Hoist the Colors" or "Jack Sparrow" or "The Kraken" or even "Mermaids".

The score misses Zimmer big time, but I suspect if the film had looked interesting he might've been tempted back. The reality is Hans (love it or hate it) has a strong musical voice and you can feel its absence.

The main new theme is boring and the dreary cello version in the end credits is a completely over-used sound these days. And the mix of the whole score is appalling - even worse than On Stranger Tides flat soundscape. How did they manage to make a 100 piece orchestra sound like a demo for an off the shelf sample library?

Everything is just another backwards step.


Mike (OTM)2017-05-25 19:45:15
Actually, iii, I expressed similar sentiments to yours in a reply below this post. :) Hans' absence is definitely felt.

As for Jackman vs. Zanelli, I'm not sure the two can be fairly compared. Yes, Henry made interesting arrangements, but most of what he did was the love theme from POTC 3. Zanelli, on the other hand, has worked on all four films and written a couple themes. So I feel like Jackman would have had to work on more for us to really say whether he's the stronger composer for the franchise.


iii2017-05-25 21:48:46
I missed that, sorry! I agree with your other comment.

Jackman's contribution to the 2nd half of love suite, his rollicking orchestral mayhem in "I don't know if now is the best time" provide plenty of evidence of him imposing his style effectively on the material.


Alexander2017-05-25 22:58:43
Hans has not done this one because he was working on dunkirk at the time as far as I know. I saw the movie last night and for sure things like "What shall we die for", "One day", "Jack Sparrow", the legendary "He's a pirate" or even the bit of the musical clock/bell theme from davy jones and Calypso at the VERY end of the film are things that Hans wrote of course. In the movie itself you hear this stuff very often especially in the first hour of the movie which is packed with old themes. But Geoff Zanelli still wrote the other 60%/65% of the music so I can imagine that Hans said that they can give it to Zanelli because even if most of the themes are from Hans, he was most likely not heavily involved at the writing and scoring process. He was most likely there at the beginning of the process like Zanelli said in an interview and made sure that this story needed things like one day or the medallion calls. And he is not credited because of the fact that he was doing dunkirk and for sure his live tour and so he was like mentioned before only there at the beginning of the process and wrote/refined the new versions of one day or he's a pirate if he did anything. But i thought as well that they could have mentioned him in the credits like they mentioned Zanelly or even Steve Jablonsky in the credits of the first one or John Williams at Rogue One.


Edmund Meinerts2017-05-26 02:04:13
"How did they manage to make a 100 piece orchestra sound like a demo for an off the shelf sample library?"

MV/RC has existed for over two decades now and you're actually still surprised at this? XD

Waymann reply Replies: 4 || 2017-05-25 20:25:21
Lots of people complaining about the film and the score, makes me a little bit irritated. Of course this was never gonna reach the level of the first films. It never will be, it's been 10 years. I am a hugh fan of these films and after watching the new film I felt so good. That cheesy ending was actually so so cool. The movie wasn't perfect put they did some good things in it. I haven't heard this album yet but I listened to the samples and everything I wanted on this album, I did hear those parts in the samples. Afterwards I was humming that new adventure theme all day, even how unoriginal it is. It's cool and Carina's theme is a great new addition. This score is much than On Stranger Tides maybe think about that. Let this score grow on you. Most people now base their opinion on just this suite. Honestly ? It doens't reflect the score that well.


Hybrid Soldier2017-05-25 20:28:52
Yeah I made a shitty suite ! :( :( :( lol


Ds2017-05-25 20:31:17
If that cheesy ending was "so so cool", it's just because it's a powerful reminder of how beautiful the 3rd movie was. And even more so in comparison to this dreadful 5th outing.


Oscarilbo2017-05-25 20:42:59
Yeah... I know what you mean...

First of all, I want this movie to be a fun ride. I cannot ask of it what I would ask of a Nolan production, for once. But I know I cannot ask of this movie what I would ask of a 2nd or a 3rd part. I say this because since DMTNT begins production they (producers) hinted it was the BEGINNING of a new adventure, So they had to go back to "ground 0". And is not too difficult to guess that they'd try the Star Wars formula; POTC 5 is basically Force Awakens in its intentions at the least.

So what really put me off is the fact that all this hate will only cause to not greenlit more adventures :( , because, well.. apparently audience doesn't want this dessert anymore.


Ds2017-05-25 21:10:08
"Going back to ground 0" doesn't mean "make a poor movie".
I would like more Pirates movies, but not if they make them as bad as the 4th and 5th ones. They could have written an original story (I'm sure there are good writers out there who could have found something fresh) and started a new adventure just like the 2nd and 3rd movies did. It's not impossible.
But rather they just tried to remake the 1st movie. If they did it for the 5th one, why do you think they wouldn't do it for the 6th one? Judging by the post-credit scene, they are clearly not afraid of ripping off the previous movies even more... :-D

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