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Hallo,<br><br>Der 'Gladiator' ist schon langsam in die Jahre gekommen, die Musik ist aber nicht šlter geworden. Genial.<br><br>GruŖ  <br><br>Not bad score.<br><br>But I prefer the other oneIsnít that ironic that DC is abandoning the continuity while Marvel is finally embracing it?<br><br>For any electronic fans out there, this score is definitely a must listen, there are some badass 80ís beats (with a dash of Tron legacy) in here.I'm so mad at DC right now I'd rather promote Marvel !! lol<br><br><br>Well jokes aside I add cause Andrew worked on it. And btw he posted another 5 min cue on his Soundcloud, dunno if it's unreleased, there'll better specialists of that score than me !Yeah, I happen to have seen the film and the score is not really "coherent", it's more like many different cues put together...
Okay, thanks for clearing that up. The Tracks released were kind of interesting, a kind of mix of soundsAnyone else think Hans knew about all the studio meddling during pre-production, the rewrites etc and walked away ? I mean, when I heard Elfman's score I thought it was generic and wouldn't fit the movie. Then I watched the movie and it fits well. The movie is just as bland as the music in the background.I don't have to ask, that movie was a failure that barely got distributed... No one had any interest in releasing this score...Hybrid, did you ever ask Hans why this score wasn't released?After watching the movie, I just have to say it was okay. It had some great moments but for me it had also many problems. And one of them was the music. For most of the part it wasn't even noticeable and when it was, it was like random background music with no really emotion or heart.<br><br>BvS and MoS movies can be criticized for some things but the score is not one of them. The movie gave the movie a strong and powerful side, as well as a heart and emotion into it. In this movie there were so many moments that needed different score. <br>***SPOILERS***<br>Superman's resurrection needed the MoS in full epic form. Wonder Woman at the bank at the beggining needed her theme with the electric cello in full power.<br>The Batman theme at the beginning when he is after that Parademon.<br>We should have a really memorable theme for the whole Justice League as well as for each individual member.<br>The scenes with Clark and Lois at the house in Kansas and when his mother sees him, this needed the piano theme from This Is Clark kent or something like that.<br>And that final moments with Superman opening his shirt showing the Superman logo and then flying to the sky, we needed something like "What Are You Going To Do When You're Not Saving The World?" or "Flight" and not that unmemorable music we got.<br><br>I really hope that the petition of the Extended Cut of the movie made by Zack with Junkie's music gets to be released someday, but for now, I'm disappointed.
Sounds fun!!<br>Thanks for the linkAny ideas on the Chronological Order of the Tracks?<br>I made a start here...<br><br><br>Logos<br>Batman On The Roof<br>Everybody Knows - Titles<br>Wonder Woman Rescue<br><br>...<br>Icky Thump<br>Aquaman In Atlantis<br>...<br>1m1a Krypton (from Man Of Steel)<br>Spark Of The Flash<br>Friends And Foes<br>...<br>Come Together - Credits<br>Anti-Hero Theme - CreditsNo, they are the full score cues- as presented in the film. The presentation of the final three tracks on the first disc are edited down for timing.* I posted this at filmtracks and wanted to share it here as well. <br><br>Danny Elfman's comments are very disrespectful and so disappointing for a creative person to hear, especially for composers. Nostalgia is a big problem with Hollywood and it's a simple Jedi mind trick. It's slightly different, but the same meal over and over with different seasoning. Imagine if James Horner didn't get to write the score he wanted for Spider-Man? Or Zimmer had to use Elfmans Batman theme for the DK triliolgy or BvS? Or Shirley Walkers incredible Batman theme for Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. Or Giacchino just used the original star trek theme, or the original Star Wars themes for Rogue One and created nothing new at all? How boring and uninspiring for the composers not being able to challenge themselves to create new original music.<br><br>Whether you like these scores or not isn't important, the pursuit to create something new is what drives a creative person and gives us freedom in choosing something to enjoy and not enjoy. I love the original Batman theme by Elfman but I love it in the Burton films. I love Zimmer scores for both the DK trilogy and BvS. I am happy I can enjoy both types of scores and films but there are those who don't and that's a great thing because that means we are not all the same and that brings variety of opinion and taste which creates real conversation and most importantly gives an identity to a project.<br><br>It's easy to go back to original ideas, but I respect the creators who actually take the risk and want to try and do something new. If Danny Elfman stands by his words he should have just used the original Batman theme from the Tv Show and film or the original Spider-Man theme. Oops he didn't and we got a whole new Batman theme and Spider-man theme which most of us love. Thank god he didn't stick to using the original themes. The Batman reboots and superman and Spider-man reboots are completely different takes on the characters and that's why they deserve their own new themes and soundscapes. The only time I think an original theme from a film should be used in a new film with the same characters is if it's actually a sequel or prequel connected to that actual original film. Re-boots should always have new original music.<br><br>In the end the comments from Elfman are simply stupid and uninspiring and it's definitely a hidden ego coming through I never new he had which is a shame. I remember what Zimmer said about Danny Elfman's Batman theme being a bit jolly, but that's not attacking Elfman at all, it's how he felt and heard the music and felt that that style wouldn't fit in the new batman films ect.. I have always found the original Batman theme a bit on the jolly side too and I love it because it nails Burton's take on the character and world. That theme is for Keaton's Batman, no one else's.<br><br>One final point, if we keep wanting to just revisit the past and hear and see the same thing over and over and not be challenged with new ideas, what a damn uninspiring and boring world of creativity we will live in.<br><br>All the best to you all!<br><br>so...based on what junkie says here, Elfman is basically just rehashing old shit, as well as other people's old shit....Unless you want to say he's taking his Batman theme into a whole different direction that he didn't really have a desire to do before...until now....<br><br>In that case, "whatever" is all I have to say.
Nice stuff! I still can't believe this score hasn't gotten a release.That's unfortunate. With this score, I think it's obvious that the majority is Jablonsky, as it has a ton of elements from scores he's composed exclusively, but it would still be nice to know who did what, especially with the first and second films. Not sure why there's rarely any proper additional music credits for a lot of the RCP guys, especially considering Zimmer's credits are almost always complete. <br><br>However that cuesheet of the extended score is very interesting. Hopefully if it leaks, all those cues remain there.Damn that sounds different from Elfman's commentsThe funny thing is an interview he gave 1 months before being replaced... Saying pretty much the opposite of Elfman !<br><br>"Itís a massive undertaking. And I canít say anything about Justice League specifically, but Iíll tell you this, and this was exactly the same experience that Hans and I had when we did work together on Man of Steel and Batman v Superman: Itís like when you see a movie like that, these iconic superhero movies, some of them have a 60 to 80 year legacy, multiple composers had a go at their themes, multiple filmmakers did their version of these charactersóitís very scary. You watch a movie and itís like, ďHoly shit, now I have to come up with something.Ē Youíve got sweaty hands and youíre nervous, and you talk about it over and over againóand I have exactly that relationship with Zack Snyderóand then Zack said, ĒThereís only one thing you can do, and that is embrace this character as if itís your own, keep it close to your musical soul, and just do whatever you feel is the right thing to do for this character.Ē Thatís the only thing we can do. Thatís what all these great directors did back in the day, and thatís what all these great composers did back in the day. It makes no sense for me to do extensive quoting of Hansí score of the really amazing Batmans. It makes no sense for me to quote Superman from John Williams. Because all fantastic composers, they all did the same thing, they did something that was close to their heart, and I have to do exactly the same thing on this movie. You know this is Movie Number 4 that Iím doing with Zack, so you build a friendship and itís built on trust and loyalty. You know how to challenge each other, you know what to expect on the other side, and itís this really open, amazing dialogue about where to take this franchise."I can confirm that he had already worked on it quite a bit, because he said so in one of his Studio Time episodes.
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Ramin DjawadiBrandon CampbellGavin GreenawayStephen Coleman
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The Great Wall
Label: Milan Records
Length: 62'07
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  1. Nameless Order (4:27)
  2. Prologue (1:49)
  3. What A Wall (3:46)
  4. The Great Wall (4:30)
  5. First Battle (7:39)
  6. Captive Heroes (1:38)
  7. A Clean Start (2:27)
  8. We Are Not The Same (3:17)
  9. Funeral Song (3:01)
  10. Foggy Loyalty (3:02)
  11. Fog And Fire (3:01)
  12. The Greed Of Man (1:57)
  13. Fools And Thieves (3:16)
  14. The Great Experiment (2:54)
  15. Bianling Boogie (3:43)
  16. Tower Tactics (4:20)
  17. Powder Rangers (3:27)
  18. Xin Ren (3:55)
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Joseph Solano reply Replies: 4 || 2017-03-23 01:55:37
Can anybody give me a list of the names of themes and motifs in the movie. I would appreciate it.


Macejko2017-03-23 08:27:55
Sure, pal.

Blue female troops theme (heard in "Nameless Order")
Great Wall theme ("What a Wall")
William's theme ("The Great Wall")
Tao Tei (monsters) theme (first heard in "First Battle")
Tovar's guitar motif (briefly heard in "First Battle")

These are the most prominent/identifiable ones.


Joseph Solano2017-03-25 18:06:14
Thanks. Would the Blue Female Troops theme be considered Lin Mai's theme as well? And does Damon's character have a theme?


Macejko2017-03-25 21:46:35
I would need to rewatch the movie to be absolutely sure she doesn't have a separate theme. And the name of Damon's character is William, his theme is listed above :)


Joseph Solano2017-03-28 02:08:15
I wanted to see the movie and never did. Now I know what to listen for when I see it. Thanks for the help!

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 1 || 2017-03-05 01:32:39
This score is a lot of fun, honestly. Ramin has written better individual pieces than anything here but I'd say this is his most consistently entertaining album, never really gets boring (although sometimes I feel like he does sort of run out of ideas for action music rhythms and falls back on the same type of percussion a lot). Especially the first five tracks are great stuff, just very fun and entertaining. Love the Chinese choir additions.

Macejko, Mr. Djawadi Fanboy, you've been uncharacteristically quiet about this one, what did you think?


Macejko2017-03-05 10:14:35
Well Edmund my man, I obviously loved this album as well and I think that if we take GoT 6 out of the equation, this is Ramin's best score of the last year.
The first half of the album is a pure bliss for me, and although the second half doesn't pack that powerful of a punch, it's still great. After seeing the movie itself I was pleasently surprised of how many elements of the film were actually given a theme (like Pedro Pascal's character for example), albeit a small one.
When compared to Warcraft (which I also adored), that movie had sort of a primal, brute-force thing going on (obviously related to the nature of the Orcs). On the other hand, TGW is much more sweeping and adventurous and albeit a also fantasy film from the same year, I'd say those two scores are not interchangable at all. It just goes to show that Ramin puts a lot of serious thought into a movie, even if it's not a cinematic masterpiece (which, let's be honest, neither of those films were).

Michael Poleschuck reply Replies: 0 || 2017-02-19 13:01:32
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bmlThSrdiQ&index=3&list=PLf zW_wEeYxk49mJ4kq_YIeYYzybMGSHz0

And here's a little one behind-the-scenes!

Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 3 || 2016-12-18 00:09:37
Epic score.
A favorite together with Warcraft and Gears of War 4.


Adam Krysinski (Soundtracks.pl)2016-12-23 08:57:21
Expanded European CD Edition (with two more tracks & different cover) will be relased on January 13, 2017.


jjluffy2017-01-15 11:05:00
It would seem that it is the digital version that contains 20 tracks. There seems to be only one cd version with 18 tracks.


rockhound2017-01-16 13:44:33
i really like that end song. very nice melody. would be cool to have it on cd.

Adam Krysinski (Soundtracks.pl) reply Replies: 1 || 2016-12-23 08:57:43
Expanded European CD Edition (with two more tracks & different cover) will be relased on January 13, 2017.


Macejko2016-12-23 16:27:32
Thanks for the info, pal! I absolutely adore this score. Although it seems that there is only one track composed by Ramin, the other two appear to be songs by some chinese artists.

MB reply Replies: 5 || 2016-12-16 17:18:11
I've already listened to it. So what can I say? Nothing special. Yes, there are some interestings moments like flute and good choir. But... The main theme reminds me Backdraft and Beyond rangoon (this is not good), but in sum the score is 3 stars from 5. Badelt's Promise alot better.


Per2016-12-16 17:32:12
I hardly check out new scores anymore.. but Backdraft and Beyond Rangoon ? .. two of my favorite scores .. maybe I should try this then.

Btw. MB, do you mean the result is not good (even though Backdraft and Beyond Rangoon are), or that Beyond Rangoon (and/or Backdraft) is not good (the themes) ? Certainly Beyond Rangoon have one of the best theme(s) ever imho.


MB2016-12-16 17:42:37
Yes, I mean the result is not good (even though Backdraft and Beyond Rangoon are, which I love very much). Maybe the others don't hear the influence of Backdraft and Beyond rangoon, but I can hear it. The result is like I said, nothing special. But the other side this score hasn't the underscore crap, thats the good side. Strange thoughts))


Hybrid Soldier2016-12-16 17:46:11
It honestly sounds nothing like those scores... lol

It just sounds like Ramin, a more "actiony" Game of Thrones and less "darky" Warcraft, closer to Clash of The Titans...


MB2016-12-16 17:50:05
I mean that there are some elements in main theme which reminds these scores. That's it. I agree that its closer to clash of the titans, but more asian style.


Anonymous2016-12-17 12:57:38
I like it. Esp after the terrible Gears score this is a nice surprise.

Waymann reply Replies: 0 || 2016-12-16 10:14:53
Damn, track 4 The Great Wall is amazing!

MB reply Replies: 0 || 2016-12-15 22:05:04
This flute in Nameless order (1st half) reminds me Beyond Rangoon. This is cool)

Felix reply Replies: 0 || 2016-12-15 21:01:19
It's sounds really good :)

Waymann reply Replies: 1 || 2016-12-14 21:41:19
First tracks is here! It's amazing. https://soundcloud.com/milanrecords/ramin-djawadi-nameless-o rder-from-the-great-wall-ost


mpolonest1232016-12-14 22:15:12
Wow, honestly didn't expect this. The string writing and percussion are 100% Ramin but the instrumentation and vocals are incredible. Really looking forward to this now.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 1 || 2016-12-04 10:15:01
Thanks Frank for finding this !


Waymann2016-12-05 13:27:04
Comes out december 16 I read...

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