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This is a seriously good score....but the temptracking is rather problematic. The love theme is directly from Braveheart, a lot of the action in No Going Back is Mount Doom from LOTR etc....but still better than some of that synth nonsense peddled by the Junkmeister elsewhere.Am I correct that the music used in the long flashback sc&#232;ne with Hester and Shrike is only sort of present in the final track "Alive and Together" ?So the complete score is now available on YouTube and it’s AWSOME. Particularly Escape through ParisDoes anyone have the chronological order yet?? That would be great!@MrZimmerFan<br><br>Gotta agree with you, I definitely think WW is a far stronger score. That’s not to say I think Aquaman is bad, but none of the themes have really impressed me at all. The orchestral/synth hybrid is pretty cool, but once again I think it was done far better with Thor: Ragnarok. <br><br>(Will say this though; “Black Manta” is a badass track)
First Impressions:<br><br>This might be one of the most “traditional” scores that Tom has scored at this point in his career. The strings/brass still have the signature JXL sound to them, but the music feels more mature when compared to something like Mad Max or even his most recent outings. <br><br>I’m still picking up on the themes as of now (the most obvious being the main fanfare and Hester’s tune) but the idea for Shrike is definitely a clear standout. Especially when it gets an emotional spin later on. The use of woodwinds and the operatic female solo vocals also are a nice addition.<br><br>Overall this has to be the biggest surprise of the year for me. Having sorta given up on Junkie after being disappointed by his output in the past few years I never expected him to write a fantasy score on this level (while still keeping one foot in his comfort zone of course). Hopefully more producers actually demand quality music from him, as opposed to the shit we got from<br>Tomb Raider and Deadpool.Great work. <br><br>I love Tom's aggressive and extreme way of mixing and bold use of percussion.<br><br>Glad to see him linked to Alita: Battle Angel tooI imagine iTunes and Spotify by Friday. The people commenting on it have likely heard a leaked version.Where can we listen this score ?It's a good score, nice blend between orchestra and synths.<br><br>But, i think WW is more interesting score
I'm listening right now, one of the best works by Tom, by far.<br><br>Beautiful choir, great action tracks (even there is a great renditions of the themes, Windflower with that version of Shrike's theme is gorgeous) and multiples themes.I'm guessing CONFESSIONS & REGRETS is Tom Sells out his Clone?I have done this for... so many things ! :PThanks so much!01 - THE ISLAND AWAITS YOU => 1M1 MAIN TITLES + 1M2 NIGHTMARE #1<br>02 - WHERE DO THESE TUBES GO? => 1M2 MISSING A SHOE + 4M24 ROUTE 39<br>03 - SECTOR 6 => 4M19C CENSOR CHASE PT 3 + 4M19D THE OUTSIDE WORLD<br>04 - STARKWEATHER => NOT IN MIXES (Album idea or suite idea ?) + 6M33H MVC PT 6 THE BIG R<br>05 - AGNATE UKULELES => 2M10 AGNATE UKULELES + 2M10B UKULELES 2 - ELECTRIC B<br>06 - YOU HAVE A SPECIAL PURPOSE IN LIFE => 3M14A RELEASING THE MOTH + 3M14B LIMA'S DEMISE<br>07 - MASS VEHICULAR CARNAGE => 1MD HEALTH CLUB (ALBUM SONG VERSION)<br>08 - RENOVATIO => 5M32B TRACKING THE CLONES<br>09 - I'M NOT READY TO DIE => 3M15 STARKWEATHER'S DEMISE (EDITED)<br>10 - THIS TONGUE THING'S AMAZING => 7M43 THIS TONGUE THING'S AMAZING + 6M38 CONFESSIONS & REGRETS<br>11 - MASS WINNINGS => 7M44 MASS WINNINGS + 7M45 RETURN TO INSTITUTE + 7M45 RETURN TO INSTITURE PT 2<br>12 - THE CRAZIEST MESS I'VE EVER SEEN => 3M16-17 A PRODUCT ON THE LOOSE + 3M18A CENSOR CHASE PT 1<br>13 - SEND IN THE CLONES => 5M29 TRAIN STATION CHASE + 5M31-32 IN LA - CALVIN KLEIN<br>14 - MY NAME IS LINCOLN => 8M52 THE END OF MERRICK<br><br>;)
Hybrid is it possible that you could do a crossreference of what cues here = the ones on album like you did for King Arthur and Transformers 4?And maybe there's too much synth work in both cause... Andrew K worked on both ?! lolMothersbaugh isn't the only person out there to use 80s synth, you know. You are after all, on the website named after perhaps the greatest pioneer of it in terms of film music. <br><br>Also, there is nothing about this film that screams "Thor Ragnarok" ripoff. If anything, the appropriate place to compare is Black Panther- however, as Aquaman and his mythology predates Black Panther by several years, that argument is rendered moot.<br><br> Sure, we have regal similarities (king, set in kingdom, evil half brother) but it literally ends there. The story is quite basic, but nowhere like Ragnarok in its entirety. Ragnarok was about two brothers putting aside their differences to stop their evil sister from unleashing Ragnarok itself, whilst Aquaman is about Arthur Curry being forced to reconnect with his Atlantean heritage, and it's explicitly a quest for him to clear Atlantis from a corrupt, purist ruler who wants to hurt the surface world because of how the humans have been mistreating the seas. Aquaman is very much its own thing, and it doesn't need any such comparisons. And I bet, it will stomp past Ragnarok at the box office overall. <br><br>the main theme is quite similar to Jackman's Kingsman ( the first three note)<br><br>andd..<br><br>I assume it is the studio's mandate for RGW to go (and adapt..or imitate?) Mothersbaugh's Ragnarok with its 80s synth. <br><br>----<br><br>Having seen the movie, i understand why RGW chose the 80s style, because basically, Aquaman is Thor Ragnarok underwater. <br>Dont get me wrong, the visual spectacle is amazing and colorful ( in a good way), some of the cinematography is downright breathtaking,but i really did have a hardtime enjoying this movie in its fullness beacuse the blatant Ragnarok ripping-off here and there.., and dont get me started on the story...<br>Really, the visual did the heavy lifting in this movie ( and it succeeded in overcoming the weak storyline)Um, is there a freaking Pitbull remix of Africa on here? What the heck?
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Batman V Superman - Dawn Of Justice
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Length: 90'26
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CD1
  1. Beautiful Lie (3:47)
    Hans Zimmer
  2. Their War Here (4:34)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Steve Mazzaro
  3. The Red Capes Are Coming (Lex Luthor Theme) (3:31)
    Hans Zimmer, Benjamin Wallfisch
  4. Day Of The Dead (4:01)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  5. Must There Be A Superman? (3:58)
    Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
  6. New Rules (4:02)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Steve Mazzaro, Andrew Kawczynski
  7. Do You Bleed? (4:36)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Andrew Kawczynski
  8. Problems Up Here (4:25)
    Hans Zimmer, Benjamin Wallfisch
  9. Black And Blue (8:30)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Steve Mazzaro
  10. Tuesday (4:00)
    Hans Zimmer
  11. Is She With You? (Wonder Woman Theme) (5:46)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  12. This Is My World (6:23)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  13. Men Are Still Good (The Batman Suite) (14:03)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Andrew Kawczynski, Steve Mazzaro
CD2
  1. Blood Of My Blood (4:25)
    Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
  2. Vigilante (3:53)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Andrew Kawczynski, Benjamin Wallfisch
  3. May I Help You, Mr. Wayne? (3:27)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro, Benjamin Wallfisch
  4. They Were Hunters (2:45)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  5. Fight Night (4:20)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Andrew Kawczynski
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mpolonest reply Replies: 16 || 2016-03-15 23:15:20
What this score really needed was a point where Superman's full theme (What Are You Gonna Do.......) and Batman's theme battled each other. Black and Blue is a decent action cue but it never convincingly pits the ideas against one another.


thearmusicgroup2016-03-16 07:26:45
I completely agree with you! I feel like there were about 4/5 new themes introduced and none of them got any development (at least from the album).


Everan2016-03-16 13:23:41
There's this little thing called Justice League though so...


Batman2016-03-16 14:02:36
yeah sure, always that lazy zimmer argument "the character needs to eaaaaaaaaaaarn first his own theeeeeme". bullshit -.-


Edmund Meinerts2016-03-16 14:37:01
Yeah, I kind of agree with that. The only time I ever thought the "earn your theme" approach really worked was with David Arnold's Casino Royale, and that was only because EVERYBODY already knows and expects to hear the James Bond theme.

If you have a theme, for God's sake, USE IT.


Mike2016-03-16 14:47:22
"If you have a theme, for God's sake, USE IT."

THIS! Sometimes I want to ask Zimmer why he bothers writing these themes if he never even uses them properly! The Superman theme was given a full and glorious showcasing for about 10 straight minutes (about 9:30-19:20 or so) in the Sketchbook suite from MoS, and that's the theme they play in Zimmer concerts, and considering how "all-out" he went in the above-mentioned suite, he obviously enjoyed that music... So WHY is it never used?


Mike2016-03-16 14:50:52
Maybe, just maybe, the film will surprise us with an unreleased cue that has the Superman theme in full form... I doubt it, based on Hans' methodology with these types of things, but if we always judged things by the albums, we'd never know about things like No Time For Caution or Escape From Ship. Maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised by something in the movie itself.


mpolonest1232016-03-16 15:59:49
Apparently Justice League will be much lighter in tone, so I do expect Hans (or whoever ends up working on it) to give the theme it's full treatment. If it's not used in this film at all I would definitely say that's probably Snyder's suggestion over the composers.


Edmund Meinerts2016-03-16 16:34:31
The more I think about it, the more it bothers me that Batman and Supes' themes never outright battle one another in this score. I mean...what's the name of the film again?

Batman v Superman

Batman V Superman

V

V!

VVVVVV!!!!

The saddest thing is, I didn't even expect Hans and Junkie to do that. But the more I think about it, the more it boggles the mind that the most basic of thematic and narrative concepts have been completely ignored in favor of pure in-the-moment mood scoring of the least intelligent type.

I mean, I know this is slightly an ideological issue (the John Williams narrative-thematic approach to film scoring vs. the Cliff Martinez/Trent Reznor pure-mood approach). But I've always seen Hans as occupying a sort of imperfect, shaky but always intriguing middle ground between those two. I won't pretend it's not disappointing that he has, lately, tended strongly in the mood direction considering how good he can be at the narrative stuff, even as recently as The Amazing Spider-Man 2.

Then again, between Junkie Xl and Zack Snyder, I expected little else from this score. And at the end of the day, I'll just go back to looking forward to the Zimmer score I actually care about this year: Inferno.


Mike2016-03-16 16:39:39
I was expecting a theme-battle score ever since this movie was announced, especially after Zimmer said (originally) that he'd focus on Superman and let Junkie XL do Batman - it's not unreasonable to infer from that that Zimmer would then be developing and USING Superman's theme! And even Junkie XL's website had a cute little "Junkie XL v. Zimmer" caption on the Batman v. Superman page.

But judging by OST, the score delivers nothing of that sort. I like well enough what the score DOES have, but what it doesn't leaves me genuinely let down.


meta2016-03-16 16:46:34
Yeah the score itself is off-putting.

Come to think of it on the deluxe edition one of the bonus tracks is identical to one of the first tracks...?

Im sure there will be stuff that were not getting, but cmon...

That annnoying grating sound/noise does not constitute a track to put on an album!


mpolonest123 2016-03-16 16:58:19
The "Deluxe Edition" is a joke. The bonus cues are either rehashed from the OST or are pure sound design. If the film contains some great unreleased material I will genuinely be angry.

On a side note; does anyone else hear the rainforest sounds in the beginning of Blood of My Blood? Maybe Wonder Woman related?


Ds2016-03-16 18:12:15
Have to say I agree. Either the whole score is purely mood-based, either this album presentation is a joke.

Lex Luthor's theme is nice enough, but heard in probably 3-4 minutes of the whole album, while I expect him to have a loooots of scenes.
Superman's theme is absent from the action scenes, except a great bit in "Is She With You?".
Wonder Woman's theme is heard only in "Is She With You?". From the trailers we know she'll have more scenes than just popping up in the action.
Lois Lane's theme is nowhere to be found.

And this reminds me of the "Man of Steel" album, which didn't feature a single note of Lois' theme, while it was heard in many scenes in the movie. So we could end up very surprised by the unreleased material.

One week to go!


Macejko2016-03-16 18:46:47
And lots and lots of months before the sessions leak (if ever). This album is almost a travesty of wasted potential and it pisses me off.


Meta2016-03-17 01:12:49
Considering the Fight between Batman and Superman is around 20 minutes, nevermind the entire movie being almost 3 hours, I'm pretty sure we're missing alot of coveted material...


Mortifer V.2016-03-17 20:37:53
The R-rated director's cut is actually 3 hours, so I'm sure there's a lot of stuff missing! :P


Saurabh2016-03-17 21:41:04
I simply can't understand the inclusion of the Winter Soldier ripoff - 'Must There Be A Superman?', the terrible 'Fight Night' and other such shrill tracks. As pointed out, the bonus tracks are awful and Fight Night made my ears hurt. Had to turn that off and put on Margeson's Eddie the Eagle to ward off the discomort.

I didn't have much hope ever since I heard Junkie's name attached, but I was still interested because of Hans' involvement. I bet that there might be better cues which, like every Watertower release didn't make their way on this album.

I wonder why Zimmer feels the need to understate a theme and not make a full statement even in cases where it has be unleashed in it's full glory. I'm not speaking in terms of the John Williams approach, but it is possible even in terms of sound design. I'm talking about 'Cold War', which to me was the last track where Zimmer totally nailed in weaving together the hero's simple theme in all it's forms to make a powerful statement in terms of action. Still get a kick out of TASM2 every time I listen to it.

Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-17 21:23:58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuc7zVsy5N4

Meta reply Replies: 10 || 2016-03-17 03:22:33
I had a thought and it was disturbing...

Considering Junkie XL is Zimmer's latest pupil, I have to say Junkie XL needs ALOT more education in the music department.

I say this because when you put the two together, you can hear stark differences, which is fine, if it wasn't that Zimmer's sound is mastered, while Junkie's music sounds like it came from a video game - the synths are harsh and the bass is harsh - everything he does musically is harsh on the ears (mine at least).

I don't know what kind of techniques he's employing, but he just doesn't have that Zimmer "sound".

All i can say is Zimmer, please give that man your toys to use, because his kinda sucks. And if he's going to be your replacement on film scores in the near future, god help me.



xl2016-03-17 04:31:32
"Considering Junkie XL is Zimmer's latest pupil, I have to say Junkie XL needs ALOT more education in the music department."

JunkieXL is actually classically trained.


Meta2016-03-17 06:40:01
Well he needs better equipment, IMO.

his sound is way too harsh for my tastes


Hero2016-03-17 12:44:26
no, he needs some talent.


mpolonest1232016-03-17 13:01:06
Is Junkie regressing?

When I heard Divergent I was blown away at how intelligently he handled that score. Ever since it seems like his scores gradually get harsher and less developed.


...2016-03-17 13:09:09
His only good scores are Divergent and possibly Black Mass. The rest is just not good.


Leo2016-03-17 13:18:50
Agreed with the post of the friendly three dots above me.


Mortifer V.2016-03-17 13:57:53
My main issue with JXL's sound is the drums. They sometimes sound weird/too artificial for me. Other than that he's pretty fine for my ears :P


mpolonest1232016-03-17 15:06:58
My main issue is with his choice of electronics and scoring to film.

Take Run All Night for example; the sketchbook perfectly summarizes all of the primary themes and ideas. The score itself is a messy blend of ambience and electronics. Moreso with Deadpool, there are so many points where the music just meanders in sound design, whereas Zimmer always finds ways to let the themes evolve.

And Mad Max proves that Tom can write excellent themes, it's his application of them that fails.


mpolonest1232016-03-17 15:14:04
And while I do agree that Black Mass is definitely one of his stronger works, I personally find it a tad boring outside of the film.


Zimson2016-03-17 18:21:35
Have you guys even heard Mad Max? This guy has some serious talent.

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-17 14:48:18
In a new clip of Luthor talking to Superman - "and now, you will battle him, to the death" - you can hear Hans' "mystery / Krypton / alien" theme from MoS (think "Launch" and "You Led Us Here"). Glad that motif carried over!

jewen reply Replies: 1 || 2016-03-16 19:30:57
Someone know or have idea for a Chronological Order of listen?


Mortifer V.2016-03-17 00:25:41
I believe the first disc is pretty much in chronological order.

From the bonus tracks, I imagine 'Fight Night' comes after 'Problems Up Here' and before 'Black and Blue'.

Mike reply Replies: 2 || 2016-03-16 14:55:15
Anyone else think Beautiful Lie might be a suite? Or an end credits track (I could picture the Batman v. Superman logo showing up with the opening BAHM...BAHM BAHM BAHM...BAHM....)? It seems just a tad too linear and buildup-ish to be a cue, and besides, "Their War Here" sounds like opening logos at the start.


Ds2016-03-16 18:04:55
Yeah, pretty sure it's a suite, and "Thei War Here" is the opening track of the movie.

Just like on the Angels & Demons album: "160 BPM" followed by "God Particle", containing the 'logos' music.


Mortifer V.2016-03-17 00:11:55
While it might be a suite, I seriously doubt the opening track is 'Their War Here'.
They will first kinda show Superman being a world hero and an icon, but then slowly introduce Bruce Wayne and go back to the Metropolis fight.
I heard that the opening credits are not just the logos...
That's my guess. Could be totally wrong of course.

Nemo reply Replies: 3 || 2016-03-14 10:04:47
I might be wrong, but I hear a new theme in "Beautiful Lie" that does not appear anywhere else. It is prominent throughout the whole track. The track itself starts with bursts from The Batman Suite, so my opinion is this track is actually the new theme for Batman, because The Batman Suite consists of several other themes which have nothing to do with Batman.


Nemo2016-03-14 11:03:29
My bad, the theme is heard again in "Black and Blue" at the very end.


Lejti2016-03-14 11:52:01
Nemo: the Batman Suite begins at 4:30 (Track 13.) i think this track is end credits


D-Fault2016-03-16 13:32:34
Such a shame, I think this is a very strong theme, listened to the album quickly, cant hearit anywhere else used

Frank reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-16 08:50:12
"Must There Be A Superman?" sounds like the exact music for the nightmare of Batman and it's one of my favorite cue of the album. I'm sure Wallfisch had something to do with it. Hybrid can you confirm it?

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2016-03-15 12:33:26
Well to be honest the more emotional parts are the best parts of the score. The action music would have sounded cool 3 years ago but after all those Junkie scores it really sounds tiresome and generic. He has been using the same soundscape effects for the past 5 blockbuster scores he did.


rockhound2016-03-15 22:29:39
This Is My World is a very lovely track. especially the incorperation of the clark kent theme, first with strings and then with piano. very beautiful.

luis goes reply Replies: 3 || 2016-03-15 18:05:23
Guys, am I right when I think that Lex's theme is in "The Red Capes are Coming" and Wonderwoman's theme is in "Is she with you?"?

And am I right when I say they should've dropped "Must there be a Superman" off the cd? Gave me headache.


Ds2016-03-15 18:38:15
Your first sentence is right.
Your second sentence is wrong. Here's a tip for you: you can easily remove that track from your playlist!


luis goes2016-03-15 19:10:31
thank you, Ds, for the confirmation and the tip



Mortifer V.2016-03-15 20:46:07
No, that track should be there. Maybe they could put in on the bonus disc though.

Meta reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-15 17:01:54
FYI Beautiful Lie theme can also be heard in Amazing Spider Man 2: "I Need to Know"


Nonore reply Replies: 2 || 2016-03-14 22:28:55
A good interview of both composers :
http: //collider.com/batman-v-superman-hans-zimmer-junkie-xl-inter view/

So, Batman's theme is not only the fact of Junkie XL but the result of a collaboration of both Hans Zimmer and Junkie XL. I can feel it in the soundtrack. Also, Hans worked on the emotional parts and Junkie XL, more on the action ones.


Mike2016-03-14 23:55:25
My initial division of tasks was correct, then. And now we have it from the horse's mouth: the Batman theme is Zimmer and Tom together. Now that it's official, maybe this will put an end to the "Oh, Zimmer didn't have anything to do with the new Batman theme" comments I keep seeing online! :P


Ds2016-03-15 00:06:43
Thanks for sharing this, very interesting interview!
Tom looks like a really nice guy. Hans looks drunk :-p
And we have the confirmation that the electric cello in "Is she with you?" actually is Wondering Woman's theme.

I'm also very curious about the action scene in which they made Snyder remove all the sound effects in favour of the music!

JR reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-14 14:06:26
I'm a bit surprised, I was thinking of a more "sound effect score". Finally there is clearly some great stuff here (Beautiful Lie, The Red Capes, Problems up Here). And "This is my World" is a very nice medley of MOS with a beautiful choral interlude. There is clearly a potential of a 25-30 minutes suite of four stars materials with this one :)

Peter reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-14 11:36:21
I'm really surprised to hear a quote of the Dark Knight music in "Day of the Dead". I thought Hans would leave the Nolan scores behind completely?

Naji reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-14 10:34:51
Where is Hans :(
So Disappointed :(

Nemo reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-14 10:20:18
I think the track "Their War Here" is definitely the opening of the movie. In the beginning you can easily imagine logos, and then the first scene follows, which is the battle in Metropolis from the end of "Man of Steel", but most probably from Bruce Wayne's point of view.

SolidSnoke reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-13 20:21:01
Well, I found the score disappointing BUT I'm not surprised. Most part of the time, I don't like Hans's scores before watching the movie (I don't know why !) and I love them after. So, if I'm disappointed now, that's mean it's a great score ! And many parts of the work are not on the release so the best is probably yet to come. Wait and listen !

Macejko reply Replies: 3 || 2016-03-13 12:44:07
This is not easy for me to say, but... what a bad score this is. At least based on this soundtrack release.

I already had my suspicions before. When "Is She With You?" leaked, I basically only liked the guitar riff. The rest of the track was as generic as it gets, and it turns out that the rest of the album isn't much better. I like some of the ideas here and there (for example how the Lex's theme sort of calls back to the Supes' one), and some re-arrangements of the old themes are pleasant as well ("Their War Here", "This Is My World"), but that's about it. I'm not gonna comment on the borderline weirdness of the cues such as "Must There Be A Superman", since they tie to something in the movie I have no reference to.

But the real problem lies with the Batman material. There is indeed a really good theme written for him - you can hear it in aforementioned "Is She With You", starting O:32 (lasting 20 seconds or less), and also in the Batman suite here and there. It is a very fitting theme, in my opinion, encapsulating Batman's skills as the world's greatest detective. Also, in the Batman suite itself, there is a great violin solo which really nails the "Bruce Wayne" part of Bat's character. If it is purely Junkie's creation, mad props to the guy.

But FOR WHATEVER GODDAMN REASON they decided to overshadow it with that musical bit we've been hearing ever since the end of the first trailer. DUUUUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUUUN-... Why the hell would something so absurdly grandiose be a part of Batman's theme I will probably never understand, but they decided to really hammer it in. It is too much "larger than life" even for Godzilla or some other gigantic monster, not mentioning for Batman. It is something that should be playing when Cthulhu rises from the sea or something, not as a part of a theme of a mortal guy in a bat suit.

On the other hand, some may argue that it is NOT, in fact, a part of Batman's theme, but rather a theme for his rivalry with Superman. Might be. But even if it is, that theme is still uninspired and generic as all hell. As basic as it gets. I didn't like it even back when I first heard it in the trailer. It is SO below Hans' and even Tom's capabilities that I'm honestly baffled by how it could have happened in the first place.

So, here's the deal: this could really be just a bad OST release. There may be a ton of unreleased, super-cool stuff. Or at least a bit of them. But for me it doesn't change the fact that BvS soundtrack is not a satisfying listening experience for me. And it should be. Hans and his theme specialize in music that can be equally enjoyed even without the knowledge of the movie. In my eyes, that is the RCP's shtick, something that they are the very best at in the entire industry. Very, very sparingly it happens to me that I change my opinion of an album AFTER I see the film, and I'm not gonna lie - it may happen in this case. It wouldn't be the first time (case in point - Pacific Rim. Yes, Ramin's score, you read that correctly), and in that situation I'd probably regret that I posted this lenghty comment here.

But at least for now, after multiple (!) listenings of the OST, my opinion stands: this is a huge, huge disappointment for me, and I can hardly think of a Hans' score that would be more of a let-down in relation to the anxious anticipation that preceded it.


Mike2016-03-13 13:12:36
I can sympathize with the Batman / Godzilla comments, even if it didn't have quite the same negative impact for me. This is a bigger theme than Superman himself got, and only one of these characters is actually god-like. Logic...? Maybe Zimmer's Nolan Batman theme was a bit too sparse at times, relying on the 2 note / ostinato structure, but it made more sense than a Godzilla-level choir theme for a simply human character.

Another very curious thing to me is the near-complete absence of the Superman theme from MoS. It was already underutilized in there, but heck, this one takes things do a whole new level. Hans hits at it in "Day of the Dead," but first of all, it's the exact same motif that got used ad nauseam in MoS, and second, as soon as it rises and promises something hopeful, BAM - it gets cut off with those three eerie notes that permeate this score. This is a Batman v Superman score, yet Batman's theme gets all the airtime. I was expecting the two themes to play off each other in the battle sequences, but it sounds like that doesn't happen, or if it does, it will be in some great unreleased cue.

The Clark Kent piano theme gets used more often, but even that is still being played with no development on the solo piano and doesn't go anywhere new. It's use on strings in "This is My World" sounds promising, but then the piano version returns. Come on, Hans! You can do better than that. IMO, this is a good score. I enjoy the listening experience and look forward to it in film. But if 2014 seemed like a new springtime for Hans, with interesting scores like TASM2 and Interstellar, 2016 has been more of a backslide. KFP3 was predominantly Lorne Balfe, however great it was, with Hans penning none of the new themes himself, and Batman v Superman doesn't develop as hoped.



mpolonest1232016-03-13 14:09:12
While I definitely don't hate it, I can't disagree with you on this being a huge let-down for me. Keep in mind I'm just focusing on the album as it is, I feel like the score itself will work wonders in the film. So where do I begin?

First off, this album definitely veers to the horror side. There are too many moments which just descend into sound design. Sometimes it's done creatively, such as Must There Be a Superman. Other times it has more of a Tyler Bates vibe, which definitely doesn't make for a pleasant listening experience. And sometimes it's just bizarre, like the opening to Blood of My Blood. Even the action music, while functional, never quite reaches the level of Man of Steel. There is definitely no "Terraforming" or "Arcade" here.

Now on to the biggest problem, the lack of Superman. Coming from Man of Steel, which has at least a dozen themes (most of which related to Superman himself), this score seems to drop most of those in favor of rehashing the Clark Kent piano theme and the main motif. Where is the development of his main theme? Instead you get more of Batman dominating the album.

To be positive, however, there are some great aspects that do shine through. The reprisals of any of Supes themes are still excellent, and definitely the highlights. Junkie XL's work on the Batman theme is also growing on me, although it could do with a little less of the pounding motif. And there are still some cool moments littered throughout. Lex's theme is so over-the-top and fun, and Tuesday is freaking scary.

I'll wait to withhold full judgement until I see the film, but as an album this definitely fails to deliver on any development for Superman. I do get the feeling that many of the stronger pieces aren't here though.


batbrain2016-03-13 19:31:49
Your comments about the new Batman music is exactly what I was afraid of. I haven't listened to the whole score but what I heard is quite loud and dense and grandiose as you put it.

Duuun dun dun dun duun rise lord Cthulhu! haha

I just listened to the track Vespertilio from Batman Begins, reminded me how subtlety worked beautifully for Batman.

smitty reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-13 16:54:31
hearing the score for the very first time and being right now at track 1: beautiful lie.

is this BvS or Tear of the Sun 2?!

Tunerline reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-13 15:04:34
Beautiful Lie masterpiece :):):)

Mortifer V. reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-13 12:12:36
Quite a few people are disappointed with this score. I think it's great. Not perfect, of course. But, maybe, we've all been too hyped about this and the movie itself that we were expecting a musical masterpiece.
It's a solid release.

maisre reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-13 12:10:52
I absolutely love "This Is My World". To me, it's probably the best track on the whole album. Eric Whitacre did an amazing job on the calm choral passage.

Ds reply Replies: 9 || 2016-03-12 10:00:02
Hahaha that was a fast reaction from you Hybrid!!!
Thank God I woke up 15 minutes earlier than you did :-p


Hybrid Soldier2016-03-12 14:47:24
What are you talking about ? O_o


Ds2016-03-12 14:57:52
When I woke up this page was already full of people speaking about leaks. Then a few minutes later it was all gone. Wasn't it you?


Hybrid Soldier2016-03-12 15:07:48
I told it many times, I don't handle the comment section. So nope, not me !


Ds2016-03-12 15:22:13
Hybrid, weeks ago you told us that score sounded more HZ than JXL. After listening to it, I'm curious, what makes you think that? Because from what I heard, there's much more sound design here than in MoS, and to me the whole thing sounds like JXL, with a small Zimmer taste once in a while.


Hybrid Soldier2016-03-12 16:09:52
Why would "sound design" mean JXL ? Don't forget Mazzaro did a lot on it, and Andrew K & Ben Wallfisch participated as well...


Nonore2016-03-12 16:35:28
There is a lot of HZ in it and above all, in all the new themes including Batman's theme or Luthor's theme. I think the half is HZ and the other one JXL but I didn't listen all the album that I will necessarily buy.


Mike2016-03-13 00:05:31
I hear Hans all over the place, including the new Batman theme. Junkie XL plays a massive role as well, but they're pretty tightly interwoven. Tracks like Beautiful Lie, Red Capes Are Coming, Day of the Dead, This is My World, and of course the new Batman theme, sound completely Zimmerish to me, and his sound is also sprinkled throughout other tracks as well.


Hector2016-03-13 00:14:32
People please listen all again, is a dark movie with a dark Batman, Zimmer must do a new version with angry and a big fight with Frank Miller history behind. This Batman is not a heroe is a vigilante and all is in the dark. Read Terrio´s version about the next step. He said: "The Legue movie part one, will not be so dark".

This is a soundtrack like others, contain only some tracks, you will enjoy the movie and request later the complete for love of God.


Ds2016-03-13 10:13:29
Hybrid, I think of Junkie mainly because of the cold, harsh sound which is more reminiscent of Junkie's efforts. Maybe it was done by Mazzaro, that's right. But, judging by his contributions to Chappie, I had the feeling Mazzaro's sound design was more melody-oriented, with some thematic ideas and more warm overall.

For instance in MoS, we had emotional moments like the beautiful string in "Krypton's Last", the "Goodbye My Son" cue, the "Tornado" one, and of course "What are you going to do...". That kind of stuff had Hans' signature all over it (even if in practice it was maybe done by additional composers, because they still operate in a frame set by Hans). Even the action in "Terraforming" was pure Hans.

That sound has completely disappeared here, hence my feeling Junkie's style is predominant. Doesn't mean it's not enjoyable of course, but I expected something built on MoS roots, rather than a completely different soundtracks with a few MoS bits here and there.

In two weeks we'll know if there's more MoS music in the movie, maybe unreleased because they wanted to insist on new music for the release.



Mike reply Replies: 5 || 2016-03-13 00:54:24
Listening to the album, I just thought of something...

Remember how, with Batman Begins, Zimmer knew how to do an actiony / aggressive score, but didn't want to have to do (as he called them) "the pretty bits," and thus Howard came in? With Batman v. Superman, it seems like just the opposite: Zimmer ended up doing the more beautiful parts and Junkie XL focused on the more aggressive stuff. :P Obviously, as with Begins, it's not a complete division, but I just thought the reversal a decade later was funny.


Anonymous2016-03-13 00:58:51
i'm disappointed how little the superman theme figures into the score (judging off OST).... it was the best part of MoS but the least carried over... it gets used so BRIEFLY in day of the dead then has a variation for the rest of the track, and is used to introduce the Batman suite....nowhere else really :( this probably means it's used in the film in an unreleased cue...


Ds2016-03-13 01:06:32
Mike, funny you should say that, I had exactly the same thought today!! :-p


Mike2016-03-13 02:43:09
Yeah, interesting reversal. I wonder what would have happened if Hans got James Newton Howard to do the new Batman theme.


Gilvane Cezar2016-03-13 02:48:21
I agree, and... Anyone know if the Comic-Con trailer's song will be released someday, somewhere?


Ds2016-03-13 10:01:52
Gilvane, I certainly hope so because it was a freaking great piece of music.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-13 01:07:40
Hybrid do you happen to have credits for this already? We don't really need them cause the whole thing is pretty straightforward with who did what, IMO, but it would still be interesting right? ;)

Arcade reply Replies: 1 || 2016-03-12 23:59:06
What is part of Arcade doing in Black and Blue?


Ds2016-03-13 00:09:48
Yeah wondering the same thing.... Probably related to Zod. I hope it's not just a lazy rehash like the Beckett Death heard again in PotC 4 :-p

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-12 23:54:49
Okay yeah Zimmer definitely co-wrote that Batman theme...the blasts around 8 minutes in the suite are 100% Dream is Collapsing lol

Mike reply Replies: 1 || 2016-03-12 23:45:05
I really appreciate that HZ did the Clark Kent theme on strings for the end of "This is My World," if even for a moment. Hearing it on just the piano throughout MoS got a tad stale.


Mike2016-03-12 23:49:43
Also, the Batman Suite is a misnomer... It has not only the Superman and Clark Kent themes, but also what sounds like Luthor's theme, too. It's way more than just a Batman Suite. :P

Anonymoux reply Replies: 2 || 2016-03-12 17:32:11
what's this from? youtu.be/TLmSUSqjC-k?t=108


Anonymoux2016-03-12 21:39:12
anyone?


Gordon Freeman2016-03-12 22:51:05
This music not on the album.

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