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Thanks Anon ^Dear administrators,<br>may I ask why the biographie of Mr Zimmer on this page feels kind of outdated? It feels a bit strange in 2019 that it states 'Madagascar' ot 'Batman Begins' are still 'upcoming pojects'...<br>Mr Zimmer - I'd like to thank you so much for your wonderful work.<br>If I'll ever be asked, what the most inequity on earth is, I'd say 'That Hans Zimmer didn`t receive more Academy Awards for the fabulous work he's doing" (Pirates of the Carribean?? Inception?? etc...) Please continue in enriching our lives in the way you`re doing it right now.  <br>Looking forward to the next concert 'World of Hans Zimmer' in Hamburg, 2019!!!For some reason they never release the songs that Zimmer collaborated with the singers to make. They didn't release Radiohead's song feat Zimmer either.<br><br>But yeah, that theme was incredible.@hybrid Is the single with sia going to be released?J<br><br>It is on iTunes already.
How have you guys heard the album already? :0Jasha is not at Bleeding Fingers anymore, and Dave is busy working with Hans... :)Did Jacob Shea have to do everything himself on this one?What happened to Jasha Klebe and David Fleming who was working with him on Planet Earth and Blue Planet?That amazing tune that featured Sia from the 4-minute trailer doesn't seem to be a part of this album, is it? Will that ever be made available?Hi there, I believe the border post track and expanded version was just a fanmade project I put together years ago, I'm working on a new fanmade project which is 100 percent original and inspired by Hans Zimmer's music from the 90's.<br>I'll post a link as soon as I finish mastering it. I might have to create a youtube account so I can upload it
Can't wait to hear this. I am huge fan of Planet Earth II and Blue Planet II.Is nobody going to talk about this amazing soundtrack???I know I´m 10 years late, but god wish this got complete recordings release, so much music is missing...The track in the video I linked sounds decent. Works well for the scene.Back in 2003/2004 some guy made his own fan-made "expanded score". <br>Some tracks were actually OST tracks looped, with some drums added in the mix, some were from an unknown source. I only remember some badly-mixed synth cues that sounded like home-made, experimental material.
would love to help out, but the video/track is blocked :/Think about Gemini Man, the score come out the same day as the movie (in that case, 11th October), and the details come the same week.<br><br>We'll likely get final details towards the end of the week or early next week. I guess I'm just a little surprised that it's taken this long. The movie had surprise screenings either yesterday or the day before, so it seems like everything's pretty final.Sorry, that is the wrong link above (film version)
<br>This is the track I'm talking about. Does anyone recognize this version.
<br>### EDITED ###There is an expanded score album with the track called "Sniper/Border Post". It is different from the piece used in the film. Does anyone know the true identity of that track. I like the synth sound and the male vocal singing/wailing/crying in this cue.
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  1. Beautiful Lie (3:47)
    Hans Zimmer
  2. Their War Here (4:34)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Steve Mazzaro
  3. The Red Capes Are Coming (Lex Luthor Theme) (3:31)
    Hans Zimmer, Benjamin Wallfisch
  4. Day Of The Dead (4:01)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  5. Must There Be A Superman? (3:58)
    Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
  6. New Rules (4:02)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Steve Mazzaro, Andrew Kawczynski
  7. Do You Bleed? (4:36)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Andrew Kawczynski
  8. Problems Up Here (4:25)
    Hans Zimmer, Benjamin Wallfisch
  9. Black And Blue (8:30)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Steve Mazzaro
  10. Tuesday (4:00)
    Hans Zimmer
  11. Is She With You? (Wonder Woman Theme) (5:46)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  12. This Is My World (6:23)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  13. Men Are Still Good (The Batman Suite) (14:03)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Andrew Kawczynski, Steve Mazzaro
  1. Blood Of My Blood (4:25)
    Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
  2. Vigilante (3:53)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Andrew Kawczynski, Benjamin Wallfisch
  3. May I Help You, Mr. Wayne? (3:27)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro, Benjamin Wallfisch
  4. They Were Hunters (2:45)
    Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
  5. Fight Night (4:20)
    Hans Zimmer, Tom Holkenborg, Andrew Kawczynski
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Megalith reply Replies: 1 || 2016-03-26 22:32:43
I believe that the true masterpiece of this album is Beautiful Lie, especially after you've seen the film.

rockhound2016-03-26 23:16:27
this track fits perfectly to the visuals and the tone of the scene and put me directly in the movie. the following scene with Their War Here is also amazing. very good movie with a great score and i didnt like Man Of Steel (movie and score).

Lucky reply Replies: 5 || 2016-03-25 20:35:07
Did anyone catch the piece of music playing when Bruce discovers Diana Prince's true identity and details on other JL members? I think that was a tease of the Justice League theme because it is not on the soundtrack! It sounded phenonmenal!!

Adam2016-03-25 21:27:14
I did! But I really think it's Wonder Woman's theme because it sounds just like what we hear in "Is She With You?", which also plays right after! I loved it :D

Micah2016-03-26 06:05:15
I know it's been called Wonder Woman's theme, but it sounded incredible during the Aquaman reveal and really got the blood pumping. I hope they end up using to represent the Justice League as a whole. People LOVED "Is She With You?" and every time it played during the film, people's jaws were dropped.

Lucky2016-03-26 06:24:07
What makes me assume that it's the Justice League theme is that it plays in line with Bruce browsing the files of the other JL members and 'Is She With You' cues in right when he opens WW's file/photo. I think it was strategically put there as a tease. I could be wrong though. All I know is that it was amazin! Hope it does really represent the JL theme.

Macejko2016-03-26 16:37:31
Wonder Woman's theme is practically the only thing I liked from the score. But I can't help but feel a bit sorry for whoever is going to score the WW standalone movie: now he supposedly has to heavily rely on a theme he had no hand in creating. From an artist's point of view, I think that kinda sucks.

...2016-03-26 17:59:09
I would love HZ to score Wonder Woman. It will be a very different superhero movie and a perfect project for HZ! The theme is so good and it would be awesome to hear what he can do with it!

Hal reply Replies: 4 || 2016-03-25 15:18:16
So the hate is decreasing?

Edmund Meinerts2016-03-25 16:08:36
I don't see much hate. What's decreasing is the initial disappointment. People had high expectations for this (well, not me, but people) that weren't met, and that might have caused some overly negative reactions. Once the dust settles and those fade away, we'll be able to see this score for what it is - underwhelming, but not without a few redeeming features (which is exactly how I felt about Man of Steel, actually).

...2016-03-25 18:05:32
I hated it when it came out but after having seen the movie I love it. I think it's a really good score with strong themes!

meta2016-03-25 21:01:25
I want Junkie's score to Point Break. Sounded better IMO.

Macejko2016-03-26 16:32:09
Yesterday I saw the movie. And I still hate the score.

Leo reply Replies: 2 || 2016-03-25 23:19:09
Why is the theme in A Beautiful Lie Bruce's Theme, but it's added in the Superman Suite?

Hybrid Soldier2016-03-25 23:32:44
Ah come on I explained that already, the 2 suites' "names" was mostly a joke about the film name, not about the content... If people are upset I can call it "Suite 1" & "Suite 2"... lol

Leo2016-03-26 00:22:28
I was just wondering, jeez...

Gordon Freeman reply Replies: 2 || 2016-03-25 16:30:22
Hybrid, Please composer details on the tracks..

...2016-03-25 18:04:36
Who gives a crap? It's good music, HZ and Tom wrote it together.

Gordon Freeman2016-03-25 19:43:08
For you.

... reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-25 11:29:54
I have seen the movie and while it's not perfect, it's an epic DC comic book movie that I really enjoyed!
I take back everything bad I said about this score. As I said, I have now seen the movie and the score is awesome. It really works well. It's operatic, it's epic, it's action packed but also has a lot of beautiful and haunting moments.

The batman theme works well. It's never generic like I feared it might be after having heard the last part of the batman suite. I like how it's used in the movie. You don't often get the whole theme but loads of variations on that material. The Bruce Wayne theme is also very good. It's the emotional part of the character and it plays beautifully in the opening of the movie which I won't spoil.

The Superman music is also great. You mostly hear the piano motif in different variations which is very nice. Then you've got the awesome this is my world which is really epic. There's even some pedal steel guitar moments! As has earlier been pointed out, there was no version of the flight theme from MOS. As a fan of that score I would have liked that, but it wouldn't have worked in the movie so I'm glad they didn't do it.

The Lex Luthor theme is cool. It fits the crazy and socially awkward Luthor perfectly. Maybe there could have been some more development to his theme but all in all it was very good.

Now the coolest theme is of course Wonder Woman's theme! She was great in the movie and was one of the coolest characters! Her theme is so different from any other superhero themes we've heard so far so it was a real breath of fresh air! There are some nice variations of her theme that should have been on the OST.
I think the WW theme is one of the coolest themes HZ has written for this kind of movie and I really hope he ends up scoring her solo movie!

I definitively recommend you to see the movie before listening to the score!

0-^-0 reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-25 10:05:56
@Hybrid Soldier

Could you post a breakdown of the tunes you used in your Superman suite here - i.e. whereabouts in which cue is used? Brilliant work there.

Drunkenmunkey reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-25 04:51:50
Is She With You? is the highlight of the movie. The variations of the wonder woman theme are fantastic. The majority of the movie is not so good. Gadot and Affleck are the highlights. I wish Hans used the full on new theme at the end of the suite. I walked out of the theater with WW's theme, not Bat's, which is disappointing if I wanted to compare to the outstanding work on the Dark Knight.All in all, I wish I watched the movie before listening to the score. I would have a different (better) opinion. It fits.

Mike reply Replies: 3 || 2016-03-24 21:45:10
Are Beautiful Lie and / or The Red Capes Are Coming cues or suites?

Ds2016-03-24 23:14:43
Beautiful Lie is the opening track of the movie (in the movie it might be an extended version, I'm not sure, because the scene felt quite long). Note that the first few seconds (the heavy Batman staccato) is not part of the film version.

Red Capes Are Coming is either a cue or the concatenation of two cues. I think it stops in the middle and then continues a little bit later. Again, not sure. But it's not a suite.

Actually there's no suite in the album. Even "Men Are Still Good" starts as a cue, and becomes "The Batman Suite" only halfway through. Hence the inclusion of MoS material.

Mike2016-03-25 00:04:25
Ah, so This is My World isn't the end of the film? Or is the first have end credits or something (I only ask all these questions cause I'll be waiting to see the film :P )?

Hybrid Soldier2016-03-25 00:28:07
It's presented chronologically, This Is My World & Men Are Still Good are the 2 last tracks... Then the Bat Suite starts in the OST, not in the movie.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 9 || 2016-03-23 18:00:01
Saw the film this morning (which is good but not fantastic. It has really great stuff buried by some lame stuff, all this added to a weird editing/pace).

As for the score, there's as expected a lot of music left out, like many reprises of Superman's piano theme, but there's nothing AMAZING missing from the OST. No Escape from Ship this time. Not even a Zod Disbands Council or Smallville Duel... Sorry... lol Oh well I think I noticed a cool one... Overall as in the OST the Batman theme is barely used in the film in its "full glory", it's mostly the "Bruce Wayne" variations as heard in Beautiful Lie which you can hear a lot in the film.

I wanted to attempt a "chronological" order but the editing was so messed with tons of short scenes I can't even remember where was what. I just remember Fight Night is after Black & Blue or Tuesday ! lol

Ds2016-03-24 00:30:58
Just want to apologize for the mean things I've said about this score. In the movie it works fantastically, really in sync with the pictures. There's much more balance between Superman's theme and Batman's.

Many variations on the Clark piano theme, with also the lovely "This Is Clark Kent" from MoS popping up more times than it did in Man Of Steel.

The "Day of the Dead" variation is used several times. There are also several short appearances of Kryptonian motifs.

If most of the highlights are indeed included in the album, it's the global presentation that hurts the release, with a strange insistance on ambient music, while in the movie it doesn't sound like ambient music is prominent.

But the GREATEST thing about the music in the movie, is that they managed to correct the mistake they made in Man Of Steel: the music was BIG and LOUD and never buried under special effects. Always prominent. Many scenes were music-driven, almost dialogue-free. Be it during action or during the quiet Clark piano theme, the music is front and center throughout the whole movie.

As for the movie, I loved it. It's basically Man of Steel meets Watchmen. My only gripes are the Justice League inclusions, they felt a bit forced and didn't go along with the story. But that's just a minor problem. Great movie, I'll watch it again for sure.

Anonymous2016-03-24 00:57:13
Good news that for once a Zimmer score hasn't the coolest tracks or action music missing. Thanks for the update, since I am not interested in seeing the movie.

Mike2016-03-24 02:38:32
So... no unreleased reprises of "What Are You Going..." or the end part of "Flight", then? ;)

Also, judging from Hybrid's comment... Beautiful Lie is a Bruce Wayne theme?

Mike2016-03-24 02:39:54
And sorry for the double post, but Ds, when you say "Kryptonian motifs," are you referring to the mysterious tune from "You Led Us Here" and "Launch"?

Ds2016-03-24 09:01:35
The end part of flight is actually the same theme played in "This is Clark Kent". It is never played in epic mode, but is heard several times in a more quiet form.

No reprise of "What are you going...".

I was referring to this motif exactly, you're right!

And about "Beautiful Lie", it is indeed a Bruce Wayne theme.

nvictor2016-03-24 13:35:13
thanks Hybrid. what you said about the movie not being fantastic has been my feeling for the past few days.

still discovering the score and i think it's sinking in. the new Batman theme reminds me of the old saturday mornings Batman cartoons from the 90s somehow...

Hybrid Soldier2016-03-24 13:42:06
That's funny cause I first though Affleck's Batman would be closer to Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns, but it's instead very close to Bruce Timm's Batman Animated series... :)

bro2016-03-24 21:57:56
I don't think Zimmer is going to be "inspired" until after his tour. I think he is just on autopilot for some of these scores because he is ultimately only really looking forward to his tour and playing live. I feel like he will be back to his old self after his "break" from slaving away on those scores.

Mortifer V.2016-03-24 22:12:19
I liked the movie a lot. I don't think anyone should be discouraged from the negative reviews. And the music was fantastic in the film. It really made the experience even better for me.

Choice reply Replies: 11 || 2016-03-23 02:22:58
Critics panning it saying it's loud and awful. Dreadful score as well. That's two bad scores to start the year. Zimmer's losing it.

The Pale King2016-03-23 03:19:28
I know the absence of Powell shone through on KFP3 in a major way, but I would hardly say it got as negative a reception as this one is ...

Edmund Meinerts2016-03-23 03:59:42
Two bad scores? What's the other, KFP3? Because that's a) barely a Zimmer score and b) certainly not bad.

Ds2016-03-23 10:07:18
I really don't think critics should be trusted anymore when it comes to superhero movies.

They loved Avengers 2. They loved Thor. They loved Thor 2. They loved Captain America. They loved Deadpool (which was admittedly funny, but overall a poor movie). They even loved The Wolverine!

A bunch of sheep, that's what they are today. DC movies are an easy target because they are TRYING to build something new and totally deviate from the modern superhero trend. And they are at a critical stage, so they absolutely NEED to be well-received. Critics have a huge power here, and I believe they enjoy it immensely.

Edmund Meinerts2016-03-23 11:35:55
The reason critics like those movies is because, despite their flaws and general staleness (which I won't argue with), they're still FUN. Everything about the DCU that I've seen so far is so overwhelmingly wrapped up in this grand brooding wannabe-Nolan serious EPICNESS that it's just an immediate turn-off for me. Marvel movies are pretty disposable for the most part, but I can at least always count on them to entertain me for two hours.

Zach2016-03-23 11:55:49
I guess the score actually fits the movie perfectly based on many of the reviews calling the movie a joyless drag.

Perhaps Hans and Junkie XL did their jobs well, then. hehe

Ds2016-03-23 12:00:56
Indeed Edmund, but that's not what I expect from a professional reviewer.

"It's fun, see it" is a comment I expect from average moviegoer.

In my opinion, disposable, forgettable, easy movies like most of the MCU outputs, should NOT be praised by critics. These people are supposed to analyse deeply and provide not just their own feelings, but an in-depth analysis of all the aspects of the movie.

Btw, did you really have FUN while watching Avengers 2 or Thor 2 or The Wolverine? I didn't even smile once.

Choice2016-03-23 12:47:29
kfp3 was a bad score make no mistake unless you love generic children's movie music. I saw the film the other day and the music irritated the hell out of me with its constant mickey mouse bouncing. You say its barely a Zimmer score and I agree but it's his name on it so its his fault ultimately. He sanctioned that mousing shit, and didn't reign balfe in.

Same as this terrible score. Oh its junkie - its his fault its all bland sound design and dated sounding ideas. okay maybe but its Zimmer's name on it. You call that anonymous electric cello shit a theme? LOL Maybe instead of outsourcing all the writing he should for once do some of it himself and have some quality control.

both the scores come across as uninspired. One just has an orchestra. One has synths. You can be uninspired both ways.

Edmund Meinerts2016-03-23 14:17:23
I wasn't a huge fan of any of those movies you listed, Ds, but yeah, I did have fun. There's a great scene, for example, in Avengers 2 where they're all sitting around just hanging out, drinking beer and bantering and teasing each other as they all try and lift Thor's hammer. There's a great moment where the hammer wobbles ever so slightly when Cap tries to lift it and there's a really worried look on Thor's face for just a second or two. It's a throwaway scene, but that kind of perfectly-judged character beat (it tells us a lot about both Cap and Thor) is the sort of thing Marvel does so well and which is totally lost on the current DC films, which (and I include the Nolans in this) largely consist of all the characters making big broad declamatory statements about THE HERO WE NEED BUT DON'T DESERVE RIGHT NOW and DOES THE WORLD NEED A SUPERMAN and DO YOU BLEED. It's just so crushingly heavy-handed, it wears me out.

Kung Fu Panda 3 was fine. Maybe not the most "inspired" score in the world, no, but it's got dynamic orchestrations and it manages for the most part to put a new spin on old material. And it's really not all that mickey-mousey either. Lighthearted, yes, but not choppy or stop-start. Nothing to get worked up about either positively or negatively, if you ask me.

Ds2016-03-23 15:02:29
I see your point Edmund. I guess it's just not in line with my expectations of superhero movies. I don't want to see a bunch of friends hanging out or making fun out of each other. I like my movies more operatic, bigger than life. In BvS, the two characters really look iconic, almost deified. But I perfectly understand it's not everyone's cup of tea.

MCU movies are tailored for pretty much any audience. DC's approach is more risky because they went radical and will probably alienate half of the audience. I'm fine with that.

Micah2016-03-23 15:02:55
To be fair, even critics who dislike this movie are praising the score as being a standout. It could end up being better in the film.

Mike2016-03-24 02:51:54
Most of the negative reviews I read included the score in their complaints, saying it was loud, uninspired, and overbearing. I'll have to see for myself. I don't expect to mind it, or the movie, but I'll not know till I watch it.

Bibi reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-23 15:14:50
The movie is out here in France and it begin on "Beautiful lie" because Batman's origins (again)

Meta reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-23 05:17:54
How is it that Junkie sounds worse in this score than he does for Point Break, which sounds immensely more satisfying?

Anonymous reply Replies: 7 || 2016-03-21 19:35:33
Well seems the hype for this one died fast.

Most comments here, reviews and users on 'other boards' all express how disappointed they were with this release.

For the first time ever most Zimmer fans and Zimmer bashers seems to be likeminded.

The Pale King2016-03-21 19:54:45
I genuinely hope that I have a bit more to say once I've actually seen the film.

As it stands, for better or (more appropriately) for worse, I'm afraid the music kind of speaks for itself.

Mike2016-03-21 20:53:59
I'm kind of surprised by that, myself. I'm never come across such a ... unanimous expression of disappointment across the spectrum. The music itself is decent and at times very strong, but it seems that both the score and release could have been so much more.

Saurabh2016-03-21 21:56:57
The music is indeed decent. The Superman stuff is good but feels underdeveloped. But the worst parts stick out like a sore thumb and just make the listening experience terrible. It just seems like an experiment in sound design with uninspiring material.

Macejko2016-03-21 22:34:36
Tell me about it, Mike. When I first heard it, I was like "Man, I'm gonna be the only one hating on this mess, aren't I?". And then, shockingly, I was not. What are the reviews saying, by the way? I'm lazy to look it up, but are they as disappointed as we are here?
Nevertheless, I really hope Hans will carefully read this thread. I mean, he is not our bitch or anything and I'm sure this is just a misstep on his route towards experimentation, but man... I don't want this to be a norm for him.

Mike2016-03-21 23:00:47
Actually, the reviews I've found so far have been anywhere from, "Meh, it lacks much personality" - much like comments here - to such unrefined but expected reactions as, "Every note Hans writes turns to gold, and this is a masterpiece just like Man of Steel, Inception, and every other big film he's written music for." :P

Zach2016-03-22 01:45:55
This new score doesn't move me the same way Man of Steel and his Batman trilogy scores did. I mean, I think I was obsessed with his Batman music at one point, listening to it every day. Fair or not to compare it to past scores, for me that's where most of the disappointed lies.

Zimson2016-03-22 15:54:12
I think after this it may be a good idea for him to try out some new things and leave the superhero genre to Junkie and co.
Inspired art comes from inspiring material, the film's probably as flat as the score.

Hector reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-22 15:49:39
I the last years the Zimmer released was very bad compared with the sessions. I don´t know why. But because of that, I have hope in the movie and the music.

And because Terrio said, "this picture is more dark than League of Justice will be". Maybe this darkness show us a dark and noise score.

Mike reply Replies: 2 || 2016-03-21 23:35:53
I know this has already been mentioned, but I feel like expanding on it here. The film may surprise us, but judging solely from what's on the album, I think the biggest disappointing element here is indeed the lack of Superman stuff.

Man of Steel didn't have many moments of outright heroism, but what it did have shone when it got the chance. Tracks like Look to the Stars, Flight, Terraforming, and, of course, What Are You Going...? had a genuine sense of grandeur and heroism to them that this album completely lacks. Tracks like "Goodbye My Son" and the Earth suite also helped lend a beauty and emotion to that score / album that seems lacking here.

Batman v. Superman has a few brief moments in "Day of the Dead." parts of "Is She With You?", and the whole of "This is My World" to show some emotion, but there's almost no sense of heroism with Superman's theme(s) mostly absent, and the music that remains is in the aggressive Junkie XL action mold rather than some of the more Zimmerish, actiony-but-emotional moments from Man of Steel and other scores. And what remains, of course, is the painful ambient stuff.

Again, I think the music is decent, and it may be amazing in film. I'm gonna wait and see. But surprisingly, this album has less emotion / heroism going for it than even The Dark Knight did, which I always regarded for the longest time as one of the "harshest" comic book scores. But TDK had Harvey Dent's theme, and Hans' alternatingly beautiful / heroic Dark Knight theme, both of which were highly memorable. Batman v. Superman doesn't really have anything like that. It's crazily big and it packs a punch, but so far, it doesn't sound like one of Hans' better comic book outings.

Mike2016-03-21 23:41:39
(Forgot to add: I do like the new HZ / JXL Batman theme. The new tune sounds appropriate for the character and is well done. But as someone already mentioned, the emphasis on the secondary part - BAHM....BAHM BAHM BAHM BAHHHHM BAHHHM - and on the choir, rather than on that main tune, was a poor choice overall. Batman's a mortal man, and in the end, he's a hero, not a monster, right?)

Anon2016-03-21 23:52:23
They emphasized all the wrong types of stuff. Man of Steel had a few moments of unrestrained heroism, however few and far between, and those worked when they were done. Batman v Superman is aggressive, oppressive, and over-done by comparison.

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-21 22:55:19
So with the hype quickly having died down... any Mazzaro / Kawcynski / Wallfisch credits yet? ;) That might start new discussion.

Justin Bible reply Replies: 1 || 2016-03-19 19:03:51
Just my theory, Beautiful Lie is a human theme, Do You Bleed is the batman theme.

victor2016-03-20 15:05:00
...or a summary of what the whole thing is all about. but it doesn't have the Superman theme. it has some of the new Batman theme though. unless that "beautiful lie" has something to do with the Superman. then yes, it is introducing the movie...

Moby reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-20 00:21:02

RebelRising reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-20 00:06:47
My initial thoughts on this score echo much of what's been discussed so far. Nevertheless...

Man of Steel, Inception and Interstellar rate among my very favorite works by Zimmer, so it's not like he hasn't successfully integrated sound design into his music before, but such elements were always offset by a strong emphasis on strong themes and melodic structures. Likewise for Tom Holkenborg, whose cacophony of percussive elements and harsh electronics belie great melodies in Divergent and Mad Max. Yet despite which, in this particular collaboration they seem to cancel out each other's strengths, and what we have left is dissonant mediocrity.

Unsurprisingly, but also disappointingly, the best pieces from this album are the ones which directly allude to the themes Zimmer already developed in Man of Steel, like "Beautiful Lie," "Day of the Dead," and (my personal favorite) "This Is My World." There are several welcome bits here and there—the last minute-and-a-half of "Black and Blue" took me by surprise, since nothing in the last seven minutes of that track built up to it at all. The rest is quite forgettable, if not outright indecent towards one's eardrums. "Must There Be a Superman?" and "Fight Night" are more appropriate to a slasher flick, and Batman's new theme lacks subtlety or progression. The mixing also leaves a lot to be desired: the instrumentation is jumbled and weirdly muted in some areas.

Perhaps the album's presentation of this score reflects the overall lack of thematic unity in the project as a whole. Man of Steel, whatever its faults (which I feel were overstated to begin with), presented itself as a in-depth character study for Superman, and Zimmer's music followed this arc. People complain about his theme not being fleshed out completely until the end, but at least it was consistent with the narrative priorities (as an origin story). Batman v Superman, by contrast, feels uninspired and directionless. Hopefully the complete score has some neglected gems that didn't make it to final cut.

Megalith reply Replies: 1 || 2016-03-19 18:15:21
Can anyone confirm that Zimmer did the music for the first teaser trailer?

Ds2016-03-19 19:03:15
JXL confirmed on facebook that he did it together with HZ.
And it's the same theme heard in the album in several tracks.

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 19 || 2016-03-18 18:27:50
I'm sorry, I know Zimmer is going to jump down my throat for saying this just like he has jumped down everyone else's for daring to breathe even the slightest of criticisms towards his latest adoptive son. But...

I honestly think Junkie XL is a terrible influence on Zimmer, and one of the worst things that has happened to him in a long, long time. For me, the sooner Zimmer gets over this dubious JXL honeymoon and gets back to writing the kind of music that made me a fan of his in the first place - dramatic, melodic, emotional, thematic, FUN - the better.

And the surprisingly mixed-to-negative reactions to this score that I'm reading, not just on the more "traditionally-minded" film score forums, but here as well, make me think that a lot of Zimmer's fans feel the same way. I hope he's keeping an ear to the ground.

Macejko2016-03-18 19:21:00
I don't think Junkie is a bad composer, not by a longshot. But after this failure of a score I don't want him to work with Hans ever again.

Mike2016-03-18 19:22:55
I agree to an extent, for sure. I don't think Junkie XL is without talent - I enjoyed Mad Max a lot - and his contributions to HZ's scores aren't all bad. TASM 2 didn't suffer because of Junkie XL, and "Arcade" was one of the more memorable themes in Man of Steel. But then, the main part of "Arcade" was probably Zimmer anyway.

At any rate, I agree. Zimmer had already been getting some detraction in recent years for his simplified, bass-heavy approach, but I do think his collaborations with Junkie XL has taken things to a whole new level. Honestly, to me, it's only a matter of time. Zimmer worked with Lorne Balfe a while, but now Balfe has his own career to think about and only works on Zimmer projects here and there. Junkie XL has gotten a career on big films even faster than Balfe, so he probably won't be working constantly with Hans too much longer. The next big name I expect to see is Mazzaro. We'll see how he influences Zimmer's work in the future.

Ds2016-03-18 20:46:14
Even the most die-hard HZ fan won't disagree, this much-hyped BvS release is a letdown. A handful of good tracks, only a few very good moments, but the majority is ambient noise (as opposed to ambient music like the majority of Inception, very enjoyable). It doesn't feel fresh at all.

But let's not forget the MoS release missed the entire Smallville battle, the escape from ship, the "Destroy this ship/Faora attacks" cue, all absolutely great action bits.

Fingers crossed for the movie! I just hope it's only another case of Zimmer totally NOT knowing what the listeners expect when they buy an original soundtrack.

Mike2016-03-18 20:53:58
The 2-disc release aspect of this particular one is really a joke... You're telling me those 5 short cues, mostly mood-creating rehashes, were the material that it was best to put on the second disc? Yeah, right. They could have added more to disc 2 or at least changed some of those tracks out for much better ones, but with exception of parts of Fight Night, none of them seem remotely worthwhile to me.

Ds2016-03-18 21:05:49
Of course, that second disc is a joke.
And I have troubles to differentiate Fight Night from Do You Bleed, they are very similar but Do You Bleed is superior.

A possibility is that the rest of the score is rehashes from MoS, they didn't bother releasing that on the CD. I usually don't like rehashes, but in this case I think that would make a better in-movie soundtrack :-p

Zimson2016-03-18 21:20:46
Zimmer scores usually grow on me with time. I didn't like chappie first, but now I really enjoy it. Mad Max is probably last year's beast score alongside with Star Wars.
The only tracks I've liked so far are "Is She With You?" and "This Is My World", a beautiful rendition of the theme from "If You Love These People".
All I can say by now is that it's definitely inferior to MoS and the new material is lacking personality, however that can change with time.

mpolonest1232016-03-18 21:24:06
Serious question:

Why does Zimmer choose such crappy album presentations? I've never seen a composer who writes such great score literally nix major cues in favor of edited suites.

I personally love the suites Zimmer writes but why not just release those as an addition instead of the main thing?

(Please get Brian Tyler to start assembling these albums)

Mike2016-03-18 21:39:50
Good question. Except for ardent enthusiasts, most people who buy a soundtrack by it expecting to hear the stuff they heard in the FILM. That was how they came across the music, and that's the experience they want. Hans' initial ideas, "jamming sessions," and suites, however cool as an extra, shouldn't be the main thing. The music heard against the picture should be the main thing.

mpolonest1232016-03-18 21:59:47
@Mike Exactly! I personally wouldn't mind as much if he did release ALL of the additional music after the fact but instead we all have to wait for recording sessions to get the music we heard in the film. I don't think that's right.

Best Case: Interstellar (excellent release with all of the suites/NTFC added later)
Worst Case: SH2 (wtf?)

Zach2016-03-18 22:30:02
I noticed most of us here are disappointed but elsewhere the reaction is mostly positive. Currently 5 stars on itunes.

Ds2016-03-18 22:37:56
Zach, the rating was already 4,9/5 before the soundtrack was even released. People vote in advance.

Zach2016-03-18 22:53:54
@Ds, Oh now I feel silly. I should have noticed that most of the comments were made before the 17th/18th.

Mike2016-03-18 23:12:22
I don't think most iTunes ratings can be trusted, anyway... I was an extreme Zimmer fanboy with incredibly unrefined initial reactions back when TDKR came out, and I would have given that album 5 stars and called it brilliant - but the TDKR album wasn't well executed and was missing tons of major music, both from the film and unused, not to mention the whole "film version" debacle with a few cues. And I get the feeling most iTunes raters are the same: they like the music they hear, so they give it the highest rating. :P

Mike2016-03-18 23:23:33
mpolonest, yeah, Interstellar was a phenomenal release for a Zimmer score. Even the No Time For Caution "problem" was basically solved, since they released it, and those who really needed the film version found ways to get it. Ironically, we have all the cues we "need" in Interstellar, yet the cues in Interstellar were mostly suite-based anyway with only minor variations (compared to other scores)!

But maybe Ds is right: maybe there's a lot of MoS reuse in the film and it's music we already have.

Ds2016-03-19 12:51:06
Looking back at TDKR, it was in fact also a quite short album, with many ambient cues and only a handful of great tracks. Not representative of the actual score. Not to mention the pointless iTunes bonus tracks.

Mike2016-03-19 15:06:03
I'm mostly surprised at this release due to the fact that things were looking genuinely improved for a while... Man of Steel was an excellent release, Escape From Ship aside, having 85-90% of the major cues and having all the suites as a bonus. Interstellar was the same way. TASM 2 was missing some cool cues, but on the whole, the "film" side of that release was well represented, and we got 2 pretty good suites, too. Even Kung Fu Panda 3 was a very solid representation of the score in film.

With Batman v. Superman, we get one suite (or more, if Beautiful Lie and Red Capes Are Coming are suites) and an uninspired assortment of cues. I guess it was overly optimistic to think this, but I had genuinely gotten to the point of thinking "lame" Zimmer releases were a thing of the past. This album tells me, probably not.

Edmund Meinerts2016-03-19 16:28:51
Well, how do we know we're even missing anything? What if what isn't released is even less interesting than what we have, or else just rehashes (of either this or Man of Steel...the latter could explain the lack of more Superman material on the album, actually). We won't know until the film comes out (and since I have zero interest in seeing it, someone will have to report back ^^).

Also, yeah, KFP3 was a good release...because it was handled like a "normal" film score release, not a Zimmer/JXL release. :p

Mike2016-03-19 17:13:43
That's true, of course. We don't know yet. If the film does reuse a lot of MoS stuff verbatim, I'd surprisingly be happy: it would mean the score would be more than just what we have here. Typically I don't like temp-tracks, but I feel like Batman v. Superman could benefit from some of those if it would borrow from MoS' better moments.

Ds2016-03-19 17:40:08
JXL is probably not the problem with this release, nor is Watertower. The digital release for Mad Max Fury Road was pretty damn complete.

Justin Bible reply Replies: 4 || 2016-03-19 02:17:01
Finished. I'm not surprised, it's too soon to give Junkie XL such a huge project. Hans Zimmer can't save this score even if his sound tried really hard, because Junkie XL's cheap sound design and messy percussion are too overwhelming.

Justin Bible2016-03-19 02:37:05
Actually I really miss those "Additional music by Lorne Balfe" days, those exciting and melodic productions. Lorne Balfe is doing exceptionally great these days, why don't they come together and do something big again, at least to celebrate their appreticeship.

Mike2016-03-19 04:35:17
"why don't they come together and do something big again...."

Maybe this isn't your idea of "big," but have you listened to Kung Fu Panda 3 that came out a month or two ago? ;)

Patrick2016-03-19 10:00:44
There is one thing in the BvS I really adore: It's the fiddle playing in the Batman suite, starting at 2:40min... I loop it and loop it... this is absolutely ear-candy! :-)

...2016-03-19 11:41:24
Yes! The file part is the best! I hope it's more used and developed in the movie!

nvictor reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-19 00:49:50
hey, so well... finished the soundtrack on my commute home. really liked the project. those of you who read the previous comments and are worried or hesitating, give it a try.

also for those people criticizing Junkie XL, i think it did a good job. i can only imagine how hard a task it is to redo a theme that hasn't been developed once but three times! (he did the Batman theme right?) and the result is good in my opinion. i can't wait to see another take on this new Batman theme.

i may be wrong but wonder woman is with superman. too much MoS music in her part...

Leo reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-18 17:55:27
In what part of the score Dominic Lewis' vocals are heard?

... reply Replies: 3 || 2016-03-18 12:05:22
This score is pretty terrible. I pressed shuffle on my phone and a track stated playing. Mad max started playing but then I realised it wasn't mad max. It was BVS (fright night). It's pure JXL, raw, harch and ugly. He can write decent music but what he's been doing lately is just bad. It's so sad that he got to work on this movie. Imagine what this could have sounded like it someone like say, HGW, John Powell, JNH or even jablonsky would have worked on it.

Some of the softer cues are nice, and I like the red capes are coming theme. However the action and sound design stuff is what dominates this album so I don't recommend anyone to buy this.

I'm looking forward to cure for wellness and inferno!

batbrain2016-03-18 16:16:57
I agree with you.

Much of the album is quite noisy isn't it? Too much percussion, garbled dissonant effects, and dramatic choir. None of these are necessarily bad on their own but, they were used obnoxiously. I hate to say it.

The stuff I DID like, like you, were the softer cues, Superman themes, Lex Luthor theme, and WW theme.

The Batman themes aren't so bad themselves, more so the execution.

Perhaps it'll grow on me, I only listened once so far.

Mike2016-03-18 17:02:24
It is a definite shame that - judging by OST, anyway - this score has no moments of uplifting grandeur like "Flight." But then... if early reactions are right, this is a very dark film. Still a shame though.

Leo2016-03-18 17:54:51
In what parts of the score Dominic Lewis' vocals are heard?

victor reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-18 15:07:00
so... maybe i shouldn't have read the comments here.

i picked it up first thing this morning with great expectation and listened to half or so of it during my commute. as many commenters say, Beautiful Lie stood out immediately. and i haven't connected with any other track so far.

hopefully once is not enough to understand the music. that's what happened with Chappie, at least for me.

Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 0 || 2016-03-18 14:53:30

Laurens reply Replies: 3 || 2016-03-17 14:32:06
Hmm I really didn't think this score would disappoint but when I see these comments I'm starting to worry a bit... I haven't heard anything of it except for the snippets that they released but I was planning to pick this one up tomorrow. Would you guys say this score is not worth the purchase at all?

NotSoAnonymous2016-03-17 21:50:53
Buy It. It is worth listening to and having if you were looking forward to it. I think everyone just feels a little let down, however there is lots to enjoy about this score. It most certainly is worth buying, listening and judging for yourself though.

Mike2016-03-17 22:07:56
"It is worth listening to and having if you were looking forward to it."

I agree. It's a fine score on its own merits, and I plan to pick it up. Tracks like Beautiful Lie, Their War Here, Day of the Dead, and This is My World are must-haves if you liked the Man of Steel soundtrack, and Black and Blue, Do You Bleed, and Is She With You are great if you're looking for some propulsive Junkie XL / Zimmer action. The Batman suite is a real highlight, too.

It's just a shame that there are so many ambient, mood-type tracks on album as opposed to some undoubtedly-great, more thematic cues that will be in the film, and it's also a shame that Superman's theme has essentially no airtime in a Batman v. SUPERMAN score. If you like Zimmer and Junkie XL, you'll probably like this score anyway. If you expected a score that pushed boundaries for either of them or had intelligent thematic work like Pirates of the Caribbean 3... you'll definitely wind up let down.

Jo2016-03-18 10:38:29
I listened to the first track, Beautiful Lie, thought 'average, let's get to the better stuff'... only to find that this one is basically the best. I agree with Mike, Their War Here, Day of the Dead, and This is My World are solid if you liked MOS. Personally, I only like Beautiful Lie, though it's nothing amazing, and the beginning of This is my World.

Summary: I'll wait for the next. Maybe HZ is just as tired of comic blockbusters as I am. He needs some original amazing film, maybe he finds inspiration again, then.

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