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Edmund - given the rationality you've displayed in your comments, I'm disappointed Goldsmith isn't in your top three. ;)<br><br>In all seriousness, I'd put money on Powell fucking nailing the integration of Williams's theme. While Giacchino did a solid job on Jurassic World and Rogue One (I tend to think my assessment of the latter is a bit more positive than most), frankly I just think Powell is a far better composer - a genuine A-level guy, whereas Giacchino is moreso very competent without that spark of pure talent seen in Williams, Goldsmith, Elfman, Zimmer etcI think it's worth noting that Zimmer's popularity at this point is largely under his direct control - meaning that if he were to decide to stop touring, go back to writing full-time, and return to his 'epic' thematic style, I think we'd see a surge in his popularity of the sort we saw from Batman Begins through til Interstellar. However, I just don't think he's interested, which is totally his right.<br><br>I certainly agree that the RCP proteges at this point are, frankly, shit compared to how they used to be. I mean, even a guy like Steve Mazzaro (who I genuinely like and who wrote some of the coolest cues in Chappie, and basically co-wrote BvS - a score I actually like) just utterly pales in comparison to the Powell era.<br><br>Actually, I have to take that back a bit; Wallfisch is a very, very talented guy, honestly so much better than someone like Junkie that I weirdly tend to forget he's under the RCP roof now.@HunterTech<br><br>"I only get annoyed when people decide he's suddenly the most amazing thing ever, which he really isn't. Even on his most competent scores, it's unlikely many would recognize him as one of the greats. Respect him, sure, but not think he's out of this world."<br><br>Exactly. Hans, for all the criticism he gets (much of it for good reason), has written some of the best film music of all time (seriously, having listened to huge amounts of Williams and Goldsmith, I still find Science & Religion my favorite cue ever). On the other hand, Lorne has written innumerable adequate-to-good scores, but none that I can recall are iconic. I'd say the closest he's come is in the form of his contributions to some of Zimmer's work (personally, I think his Kick It theme is the most interesting of those in Inception), but even then he hasn't done anything as memorable as Djawadi's theme from Batman Begins.Michael - reread the second half of my previous comment. And no, I don't think Genius or Churchill are no good; I wasn't impressed by the second, to be honest, but Genius is really cool - like an updated version of Frost/Nixon, one of my very favorite Zimmer/RCP scores.<br><br>Edmund - much appreciated.<br><br>Overall, I too am baffled by many of these comments; clearly there is a middle ground between "Lorne is shit." and "Lorne is absolutely amazing.", but this seems to be missed.<br><br>And by the way, I'm actually super happy for Lorne's success - I think he deserves it given the quality and quantity of his work, and he seems like a super nice guy to boot (how many composers regularly respond to people on Facebook?). However, this doesn't mean I can't simultaneously point out the fact that much of his work is very, very similar to work he's done previously. Indeed, I think this is more of an issue for Lorne than Hans, perhaps because he takes on sooooooo many projects.I agree. His Justice League theme is just a deconstruct of his Batman theme. Clever, yeah sure - he's done similar things with the Men In Black sequels and I'm sure there's others I can't think of right now - but I personally dont consider Elfman's involvement in this new DCEU to be very welcome. Zimmer paints a different canvas than Elfman, and I love both their works.
It was a missed opportunity.<br>Yeah... I'm not sure about Elfman's wave. The guy decided to bring back his old Batman theme instead of actually writing a new one. He has to re-invent himself. <br>Seven with ZimmerYeah, Silvestri, Newman, Goldenthal and JNH too. The six most popular "new" composers, along with Horner, of the  80's and 90's.I saw a few clips from the movie on youtube. The score sounded really good. Very unlike Djawadi and very beautiful fantasy music! Can't wait
I saw a few clips from the movie on youtube. The score sounded really good. Very unlike Djawadi and very beautiful fantasy music! Can't waitHonestly, I do feel bad for Elfman, because for Chrissakes hes been doing 50 Shades of Grey these days, and the last memorable scores I have of him are from 2012. But I don't think Zimmer or even Elfman for that matter are done as yet. I predict by the end of this decade Zimmer will have a new wave in popularity wash in. I'm just waiting for Elfman's wave right now...not quite seeing it yet.Glad you caught it Rockhound. Think the others were too wound up to notice !!i was trying to be funny.Pete you are funny, although u demand from others to talk about the actual soundtrack from this page, you start to talk also about another soundtrack. but ok.... i think Forgotten is a very boring track and adds nothing to the actual scene. a variation of his theme from the track Hero would have been much more intense for the ending. sadly we got 9 boring minutes of thematic development and instrumentation. Lorne can do much better as the track Hero from the same soundtrack shows.Zimmer got X-Men: Dark Phoenix this year. And I have a hard time believing he is only scoring that film this year. Zimmer always does more than 1 film a year.
No need for petty cursing .<br><br>We can discuss the soundtrack instead ! <br><br>Forgotten is cool track.Itís definitely one of Bayís best movies. Wish he would make more drama based film obvious with some action. Canít cope with more robots ! The ending of the film is so emotional and this track gave goosebumps at the end. Did sound very similar to the end of The Last Knight"Boring . Talk about the actual soundtrack or change the subject."<br><br>Ok, so someone else gets us on this topic, an arguement occurs, and NOW, only when you've realized you're losing the arguement, do you decide that this page is only for 12 strong. Which it's not. This is a forum we talk about whatever we want here.<br><br>But what a childish and pathetic attempt at avoiding our points. Just dismissively saying "Boring! Change the subject! My ears can't handle this criticism!!! Wah, wah, wah!" I guarantee you the next step after this is going to be petty cursing.Boring . Talk about the actual soundtrack or change the subjectUpset about success? Sounds like someone doesn't know a thing about reasonable criticism. :p<br><br>If anyone likes Balfe, then good on them. I only get annoyed when people decide he's suddenly the most amazing thing ever, which he really isn't. Even on his most competent scores, it's unlikely many would recognize him as one of the greats. Respect him, sure, but not think he's out of this world. Especially if people are still gonna be excited about hearing the work of someone else when a different person is hired (i.e. what JL might've been).Can we please change the subject !!!!!!!!it is so boring now.This page is ment to be about the sound track to 12 Strong
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  1. Opening Overture (2:41)
    John Powell
  2. Air Raid - Office Raid (1:40)
    John Powell
  3. Kidnapped - Galleon Dog Fight (5:09)
    John Powell, Anthony B. Willis
  4. Floating - Neverland Ahoy! (2:29)
    John Powell, Paul Mounsey
  5. Smells Like Teen Spirit (Perf. Cast From Pan) (2:11)
    John Powell, Matthew Margeson, Dario Marianelli
  6. Blitzkrieg Bop (Perf. Cast From Pan) (0:58)
    John Powell, Matthew Margeson, Dario Marianelli
  7. Murmurs Of Love And Death (3:27)
    John Powell
  8. Mine Escape (5:01)
    John Powell, Anthony B. Willis
  9. Inverted Galleon (1:56)
    John Powell, Anthony B. Willis
  10. Neverbirds (1:54)
    John Powell
  11. Something's Not Right (Perf. Lily Allen) (3:20)
    John Powell, Matthew Margeson
  12. Tramp Stamp (2:33)
    John Powell, Paul Mounsey
  13. Origin Story (3:57)
    John Powell
  14. Pirates Vs Natives Vs Heroes Vs Chickens (4:21)
    John Powell, Paul Mounsey
  15. Crocodiles And Mermaids (3:24)
    John Powell, Anthony B. Willis
  16. A Warrior's Fate (4:10)
    John Powell
  17. Flying Ship Fight (7:23)
    John Powell
  18. A Boy Who Could Fly (5:10)
    John Powell, Paul Mounsey
  19. Transfiguration (2:18)
    John Powell
  20. Fetching The Boys (3:10)
    John Powell
  21. Little Soldier (Perf. Lily Allen) (2:37)
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Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 1 || 2017-11-16 20:35:30
John Powell is doing open messaging on Facebook for another hour or so. (He had to clarify - send him a message on his page, don't comment on his post. And no, he can't say a word about Han Solo....I already asked a general question. No surprise. :P)


James2017-11-17 00:42:20
Thanks!

Frank reply Replies: 13 || 2017-07-26 21:21:27
The official Star Wars website just confirmed that John Powell will score the untitled Han Solo movie! Since the day Ron Howard took over, I've anticipated Hans Zimmer to do it but John Powell is definitely next to him on the list. What an exciting news!


Anton2017-07-26 21:41:29
What shame Balfe didn't get the opportunity especially after Genius


Macejko2017-07-26 21:42:34
Edmund, be sure to tell us you're OK after all those cumshots.


Vivien2017-07-26 23:00:01
Star wars finally turns to the Zimmerian's style then !


...2017-07-26 23:24:28
This is great news! I really wanted Hans to do this but if not him then Powell is a great choice which I am sure Hans somehow was involved in.

I just hope this doesn't mean that Hans and Ron Howard won't work together in the future.


Hybrid Soldier2017-07-26 23:57:21
No way !

Hans was dining with Ron like 3 days before Ron was announced as director. But first, Powell was hired before Ron was in, and second I doubt Hans had 0,001 % interest in it, and probably rather pushed Ron towards JP !


vced2017-07-27 00:24:28
"Star wars finally turns to the Zimmerian's style then !"

John Powell isn't Hans Zimmer.

When has Zimmer (or Balfe for that matter) ever written a score that remotely sounds like Star Wars - who seriously thought that was going to happen LOL.

Much as I like Hans, this is a job for educated composers.



Vivien2017-07-27 00:46:09
It's RCP's style and it's pretty much different of William's LOL


Andrew 2017-07-27 01:09:20
Vced - balfes score to Home for example clearly shows he can write music like that .


James D.2017-07-27 01:34:57
Powell's reception as composer of the new SW has been excellently welcomed! Wonderful!

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@Andrew

Let's face it: SW is still a very distant star for Balfe. Not just for him, for many others. Even John Powell. Achieving that score is an event in his career.


Brent2017-07-27 07:59:41
@ James D

I don't disagree that Star Wars is the tip-of-the-iceberg when it comes to film music projects. However, you have to remember Powell has been in the game far longer than Giacchino has. I don't believe it has to do with how long you've been in the business, but if you're "sound" can carry the movie.


isildur2017-07-27 08:09:24
LOL @Macejko. I think Edmund is completely exhausted now. It'll take two to three days regain all the fluids he lost.


FORZA2017-07-27 20:37:18
Well this is... fuck YES


James2017-07-27 20:42:46
Yes. I know. But Giacchino has always worked with the Disney.John, on the other hand, is his equivalent in the Blue Sky and Dreamworks.

Aaron Christian reply Replies: 2 || 2017-03-02 19:02:51
Pan is one of those killer John Powell scores I can listen to a million times and never get sick of it. Can't wait for HTTYD3!


Aaron Christian2017-03-02 19:04:02
And I'm excited to see what comes next for him. Some epic fantasy movie I hope. I also hope the rumors that he'll be done after HTTYD3 are completely false. The world needs you JOHN POWELL!!!


Edmund Meinerts2017-03-02 22:13:04
Where did you hear those rumors? I'm not gonna lie, I'm kind of terrified...

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 4 || 2016-07-30 14:49:27
Composers details !


Anonymous2016-07-30 16:21:34
I assume Dario Marionelli wrote those two songs he's credited for?


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-30 16:42:12
Margeson arranged them. He started working with Dario, then JP took over scoring. Matthew worked on many songs that didn't all end up in the film.


Edmund Meinerts2016-07-30 22:26:21
Well, I can't pretend it doesn't hurt a tiny bit to see that my favorite cue of 2015 ("A Boy Who Could Fly") isn't by Powell and Powell alone. But at the same time, I was kind of afraid it would be much worse considering time was probably pretty short on this score. If you look at it that way it's quite impressive just how little help Powell gets. And I imagine an additional composer on a Powell score is much closer to being just an orchestrator/arranger than, say, an additional composer on a Zimmer score (but that could just be my bias shining through...).

Hybrid, do you have details for any other Powell scores since 2010? Other than KFP2 (and Ice Age 4 now since you put up the complete score page) we know hardly anything about that period of his career.


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-30 22:40:48
Yes it's pretty much detailed, I'm catching up with all this, takes quite some time to handle each score lol...

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 5 || 2016-03-08 23:08:13
Wasn't sure where to post this, so I figured his most recent score would do.

John Powell's wife, Melinda Lerner, has died at age 41.

slipped isc. com/ 2016/03/ the-composers-wife -died-30-minutes-after-world -premiere/

What awful news. If she's been ill for a while (and it kind of sounds like it), that would put his comments recently about "spending more time with my son/family" in a very different light indeed.


Ds2016-03-09 00:20:26
Sad news. My thoughts go to John & his son.


Scorefan2016-03-09 02:29:50
I read the post 1 hour ago. I don't know if this is true, but it is, so sad. My condolences to John and his entire family.


Hybrid Soldier2016-03-09 08:38:20
It is, unfortunately, true...


Marco Rea2016-03-09 13:08:27
Very sad news. She took a picture for me with John Powell at the Pandamonium event in Northampton uk. She even passed my her Chinese hat to put on for the picture in which John gave her a very unimpressed (in a playful way) look. She was Very chirpy and smiley. My thoughts go to him his son and the family.


Berkian Warior 2016-03-10 23:07:06
This is so sad!! John and Oliver are in my Prayers.

Anonymous reply Replies: 4 || 2016-02-15 21:06:54
I felt like the Album started out a little bit slow, but by the time I got to track 16 (A Warrior's Fate), I was obsessed. I love the complexity of John Powell's music.
John Powell, Howard Shore, and John Williams are the only composers I can listen to over and over without getting bored. I listened to the How to train your Dragon 2 Soundtrack every other day for a whole year after it came out and I never got sick of it.


Powell Lover #12016-02-15 21:08:16
I so agree


Edmund Meinerts2016-02-16 10:09:07
Tracks 16-18 are, in my opinion, the best chunk of film music anybody wrote in 2015 (including John Williams). I've played those three tracks over and over again like nothing else. I agree the rest of the score doesn't quite hold up to it but there are some gems in there, I like the unique flair in "Kidnapped/Galleon Dog Fight" for example.


Ds2016-02-16 10:18:23
I agree, these 3 tracks (plus "Kidnapped - Galleon Dog Fight") are incredible. It's funny, "Pan", "The Martian" and "Steve Jobs" all came out pretty much at the same time and are probably my 3 favorite scores of 2015, still listen to those frequently.


Anonymous2016-02-17 19:20:53
I remember when I saw the trailer for Pan, and I said to my sister, 'boy, wouldn't it be great if John Powell could do the Soundtrack for that?'
So I checked on Wikipedia, and it said someone else was doing it.
A week later, while looking for John Powell Soundtracks on Amazon, i see Pan listed. I almost flipped.
I bought the Soundtrack the day it came out and loved every second of it. My favorite theme is the Fairy Kingdom Theme heard in 'A Warriors Fate'

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 7 || 2015-10-05 10:06:03
An excellent score indeed! A little chaotic and "overstuffed" at times, but I'll always take a score that's too complicated over one that's too simplistic, and I just love how much stuff Powell throws at you. "Flying Ship Fight" and "A Boy Who Could Fly" are some of the best action music of the year.


DeerLord2015-10-07 14:33:15
I agree. You don't find such scores a lot anymore these days.

I has it all: epic, fun, chaotic, quiet, bombastic, cover song gone cinematic, great diverse instrumentation, themes, ...

Aaaah. I am getting nostalgic here. How I miss the early 2000s.

This one can join my 'Best adventure score' playlist joining the likes of How To Train Your Dragon, Lair, Outcast, Killzone 2, Cutthroat Island, Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, LOTR, Hobbit, ...


Edmund Meinerts2015-10-10 14:47:48
The more I listen to this one the more I like it. Powell always puts so much into his scores that you have to go over it multiple times and you'll still be catching things you didn't notice before. I think "A Boy Who Could Fly" might be my favorite cue of the year, period. Although if there was a longer version of "Neverland Ahoy!", I'd say that. Those 40 seconds between 1:15 and 1:55 are so beautiful, and so short... :/


Ds2015-10-10 21:24:24
Agree with Edmund, I listened only once and it was pretty heavy to digest... I will see the movie when it is released and then give the score a few more chances to grow on me. And I m 100% sure it will, in Powell I trust!!


Ds2015-10-20 22:13:01
I just saw the movie and now I am forced to recognize that this is an absolutely exquisite score. A pleasure from start to finish. Combined with Joe Wright's masterful visuals, it felt like heaven. Powell and Wright are amongst the most talented artists working in Hollywood, it's a shame the movie flopped so hard, it felt refreshing in so many ways. But yeah, probably too artsy for kids, too crazy for cynic grown ups... Sad, but at least it got made! :-)


Edmund Meinerts2015-10-20 22:59:58
I'm on the fence about whether to see the movie or not. It looks like a bit of a mess and hasn't gotten great reviews, but I want to support Powell and any big adventure movie in general that feels a bit different, which this does. I can kind of see it falling into the same category of unsuccessful adventure movies that didn't deserve to do as badly as they did and which have great scores, along with Lone Ranger and John Carter. Do you recommend it, Ds?

Also, I'm curious to know whether there is much score in the movie that didn't make the album. With an 111-minute running time and 60 minutes of score (plus ten or so of songs), it feels as though there could be...


Ds2015-10-21 13:21:14
Edmund, I didn't know the album release well enough to detect unreleased material in the movie. I think the main cues are all there, all the best moments I noticed during the movie are definitely present. In particular, "Flying Ship Fight" and "A Boy Who Could Fly" are masterfully used in the movie. Also, the music playing all over the end credits piece is utterly fantastic, and I think that one is not on the album (but I may be wrong).

I would definitely recommend it, yeah. It's a big, generous adventure movie. It's like a kid's dream, it's crazy and all over the place but it feels fresh, natural. It felt like the labour of authentic artists, rather than producers trying to get easy cash.

If you like Joe Wright's visual marvels, go see it because his signature style is all over the film. Every scene is wonderfully shot, a delight for the eyes. If you like John Powell's music (I know you do), go see it because his score is prominent throughout the whole movie and sounds amazing in a theatre. If you like adventure movies with a big heart, which require a lack of cynicism from their audience, go see it. If you're more attracted by modern sci-fi or superhero movies, maybe you should avoid it.


Edmund Meinerts2015-10-21 21:03:01
Ooh. I'm curious now about that end credits piece. I feel like the one thing missing from the Pan score is a cue that really just lets the themes breathe - was it anything like that? If so, it's criminal they left it off the album (who needs Lily Allen anyway?).

Maybe I really will go see this, after The Martian.

Leo reply Replies: 0 || 2015-10-03 23:02:08
Great score, I'm not dissapointed. :D

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 2 || 2015-09-21 10:08:50
Ooh, track times. Take out the songs (Blitzkrieg Bop...bleurgh) and it's still over an hour of score! An overture! And track 17 looks like it could be a particular treat... :)


Hybrid Soldier2015-09-21 10:10:19
The songs are arranged by Matthew Margeson (and one with John Powell)... ;)


Edmund Meinerts2015-09-21 10:24:10
Dang it, that means I'll actually have to listen to them. D:

Nathan Tarrant reply Replies: 2 || 2015-09-13 15:49:03
Simply can't wait for the score!!!

New sample...?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkeHMcQWG3k


Pablo Reyes2015-09-14 00:25:49
There's also another one here ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeDtfaozGko

Sounds great so far. Can't wait!


Anonymous2015-09-17 07:43:42
Watertower has this listed for October 2nd, not 9th. I wonder if the former date is tentative.

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 2 || 2015-09-13 15:28:19
What an AWFUL cover!!


Mike2015-09-13 16:43:37
Yeah. That one could have been better.


Anonymous2015-09-13 20:08:48
The teaser poster with the Jolly Roger flying above London looked better.

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