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Hans Zimmer is one of the biggest film composers working in the industry today.  He won an Academy Award for his work on The Lion King, and has been nominated for six other films including Gladiator, The Thin Red Line, and As Good As It Gets. With The Last Samurai he celebrates his 100th film score, and SoundtrackNet had an opportunity to talk with Hans a few weeks ago during a rare break in his busy schedule working on Something's Gotta Give.<br><br>You've scored many projects during your career, and The Last Samurai is being touted as your 100th film score…<br><br>Well, I'm terrible with math, so I'm not doing the counting. It could be more, it could be less – but apparently it's the 100th.<br><br>So how did you get involved with the project?<br><br>If you're lucky enough to get nominated for an Oscar, you get invited to the Oscar nominee's luncheon where they hand out these little nomination certificates. There are usually 150 people standing there, and people are invited up in alphabetical order, starting with the As. By the time they get to the Cs, everybody's already back at their table chatting and eating, and while the first people called get thunderous applause, you can imagine what it's like when your name starts with Z!<br><br>So Ed Zwick and I were standing there, waiting at one of these luncheons about four years ago, and we started talking to each other. I asked him what he was working on and he told me about this movie called The Last Samurai, which I thought sounded interesting and I asked him to send me a script. After the script arrived, I didn't hear from him for a long time and I thought he'd forgotten about me, not thinking about how difficult it is to set up a samurai movie these days. The other thing I liked about the project was that Tom Cruise was involved, so it was like returning home, since I've scored a bunch of his movies – I knew we were going to have a good time.<br><br>Did it end up that way?<br><br>Ed and his editor Steve Rosenblum are such gentlemen, so together and professional, and they basically did one cut of the film, screened it, and everyone loved their work. So after this, they had plenty of time to come and hang with me, and while I usually love the re-cutting process because it's a diversionary tactic to keep the director and editor out of my life, these guys were great to have around. <br><br>Of course, my sense of paranoia made me think that something was going wrong all the time, waiting for the other shoe to drop, as it were, but it never happened. Ed phoned this morning and I thought, "Oh my god – rewrite!" It's just how my brain works. But I think he and I feel a bit odd now: we've been seeing each other every day for months, and suddenly we're done. I completely understand why people have a problem finishing a movie, because there's something really nice about the process – completion is far more boring.<br><br>For Samurai, you used Japanese percussions and ethnic woodwinds, without getting too 'Japanese'.<br><br>My problem is that I feel Japanese music is really inaccessible to Western ears, and I was really struggling with this film initially, trying to figure out what I was doing. This idea popped into my head for using Western-style themes, but applying a Japanese aesthetic to them, which sounds great of course, until I had to ask myself what I meant! Actually, I think it's just my way of not overloading certain things with too many colors, or being geometrically precise about my cues and not making them too flowery.<br><br>The Tom Cruise character is one of those nasty drunks at the beginning, who obviously has some serious problems he's trying to deal with, or not deal with. He's obnoxious and restless, suffering sleepless nights and is very un-Tom. For me, this character's journey was about his need to earn tranquility and peace, so within the score there's this very romantic, overblown and passionate theme. It's like a juvenile way of dealing with life and death – the pain and liebestod.<br><br>However, to contrast with these very relentless themes, there are a number of stark, formal and sober pieces, because I wanted to take Tom's character on a journey. He comes from America and ends up in this foreign place where he doesn't speak the language or understand the culture. But at the end of the movie, I want the audience to think that there isn't a more beautiful place for him to be, that he is at home in Japan and finally at peace.<br><br>There are many useless acts of bravery we do out of misguided romanticism, and this movie is full of courageous and dignified acts of bravery. So I wanted to play off these acts, since both the American and Japanese cultures have a concept of heroism, and I just wanted to see if I could play with the nature of the two different concepts.<br><br>So you didn't want to do the stereotypical Japanese thing...<br><br>Absolutely not! Take Akira Kurosawa's Ran, for example, which has this brilliant score where Takemitsu writes Western music, but with an Eastern accent. Somebody asked me a few days ago why As Good As It Gets was European – why did I write a European score for a quintessentially American story? For me, it's because Jack Nicholson was crazy in the movie, and I felt one of the great things about America is how they always think we Europeans are crazy. So by writing a European-styled score, it's my way of saying that Jack is crazy, but it's alright!<br><br>How do you feel about people who criticize your work for not fitting into the time period, like Gladiator?<br><br>The reason I take these jobs is because I'm interested in foreign cultures, and every time I get to work on a movie I'm thrown into the adventure of whatever that culture is, the time, and wherever the story's taking place. So one of the things I'm very careful about is not to be historically correct to the culture, but, on the other hand, not to insult the underlying aesthetics of that culture either. I remember watching Chariots of Fire and thinking how brilliantly the music worked, never missing that it wasn't period instruments! I grew up listening to Bach played by a symphony orchestra – it's the wrong sized orchestra with the wrong instruments, but I don't think that's the point.<br><br>With Gladiator, Pietro Scalia brought in a CD saying "this is Ancient Roman music," and I said, "Says who? You went to the Ancient Roman music store and bought an Ancient Roman music CD? Bullshit!" We're not anthropologists. Look at he costumes Ridley Scott had: they were more Napoleonic than Roman, which was perhaps fitting since Napoleon had stolen all of his good ideas from the Romans regarding how to make his generals look cool – and so did Hitler! So I got criticized for making the "Entry into Rome" cue too Leni Riefenstahl – but that was the joke! I am allowed to have a sense of humor in my music!<br><br>Earlier this summer your credit on Pirates of the Caribbean was "Score Overproduced by". What was the deal with that?<br><br>Well, I thought honesty was a virtue! But seriously, Jerry Bruckheimer quite rightly asked me not to give him "that old-fashioned Pirate music," and Gore Verbinski, who I adore and did The Ring with, said, "Well, it is a pirate movie, so we have to disguise it." In the end, I spent a day and a half writing tunes, Klaus Badelt wrote a lot of stuff, and we rolled up our sleeves, got drunk, behaved in a debauched way, and produced a score!<br><br>There was a lot of criticism regarding that score, but in the end it had to serve the film - which it did. You seem to get a lot of criticism on any project you do.<br><br>I had the misfortune of going onto the Film Score Monthly web site recently to look something up and vanity made me type in my own name. I suddenly realized that you can't ever get it right. Who do people want me to be? The guy that writes Matchstick Men? Or the guy that writes The Rock? Or the guy that writes Driving Miss Daisy? My need is ultimately to write for myself. I mock myself and I'm ironic about the way I speak about it because if I take it too seriously, it would be a pompous and boring thing to do. But at the same time I take each note I write very seriously – none of them are random.<br><br>The Internet Movie Database always lists you as being attached to multiple projects, so I was curious, what's Sharktail?<br><br>I complained to Jeffrey Katzenberg that I couldn't cross any more Red Seas, or deal with any more horses that can't speak – I wanted to do one of the fun animated movies instead. There's also a hip-hop element in Sharktail, and I haven't been there yet, so it's new territory! King Arthur is still in production, and I literally just got the first bits of footage just before you came here.<br><br>Are you working on all of these projects simultaneously?<br><br>I'm thinking about them! I'm also working with Jim Brooks on his new comedy, Spanglish.<br><br>And speaking of comedies, you recently did Matchstick Men for Ridley, which had a very Nino Rota vibe to it....<br><br>And I gave him credit! I thought, what if Nino had written the theme and I was just doing the variations? But I bet I'm going to get criticized for that because it's not like Gladiator.<br><br>So when did you last have a vacation?<br><br>Well, I went to Japan for a couple of days at the end of November for the Japanese premiere of Samurai, but look, I love what I do! In January I'll travel to Morocco because Ridley will be shooting his next movie, Kingdom of Heaven, so that's like a holiday!<br><br>My family and I are going away at Christmas, and what we used to do would be to rent a house in the mountains and go on these skiing holidays. It would be a crappy house, not as nice as the one we live in, my wife was still going to the market, and we're still washing our plates – so it wasn't a vacation, it was a lot of work! It's taken us a long time, but we just figured it out: we're not practical with vacations – we're staying at hotels! But while the Zimmer family isn't talented when it comes to vacations, we're talented when it comes to work!<br><br>I sat through Samurai the other day, and for the first time watched the whole movie from top to tail with everything finished and completed. It felt really good, better than a vacation. But luckily there were enough things wrong for me to think that I learned something from the experience, and now I can't wait for the next project to try these new ideas out.<br><br>The soundtrack to The Last Samurai is available from Elektra Records, and the film is currently in theaters. Matchstick Men is available on Varese Sarabande Records.<br><br>With thanks to Chet Mehta at Chasen & Co, Jason Cienkus at Warner Brothers, and Nina Lynch and Mark Wherry at Media Ventures for helping with this interview. And, of course, special thanks to Hans.Mulan get his release... through Disney+, 4th September.Mulan is being released on sept 4th. Can't wait to hear Harry's score!!!!Here's an interview about Last Samurai from https: //www.soundtrack. net/content/article/?id=112You can find an interview with Hans on his process for TLS on somewhere, back in 2003 or 2004
The tracklist they posted has 58 tracks and yours contains only 54<br>interesting thing, He never really spoke about Last Samurai. but you have to realize, even when He speaks, its not always the truth. <br><br>The only thing I know, in 2013 doing press for Rush, He really said the hardest job was Last Samurai, well its not true according to himself, if you watch the behind the scenes stuff from Matchstick Men from 2003, right there He says that he was working on 3 huge films, (tears of the sun / Pirates / last samurai) and Mathstick men was the absolute hardest for him.<br><br>also Ed Zwick talks about working with Hans on the dvd commentary sometimes, but nothing really fancy.<br><br>Im sure there is an interview for this film with him, since he was at the premierI am struggling to find an interview where Hans speaks about this soundtrack. Does it even exist? <br>I spent the last hours digging but nothing. I always desired to hear some comments about it, like he does for the other works he's done.<br>I know it's a far stretch for Hans To release docu scores, but am really curious as to what Brave Miss World, Believer and Jalous of the Birds sound like...<br><br><br>@Mephariel<br>You can find Great Bear Rainforest on under Anze RozmanMondo only offered to send me a return label and a refund. No info yet on if they plan to fix it. :-/
Mine arrived today and is definitely sped up.LOL klaus badelt hardly composed pirates 1You know what? I love the booklet credits! Klaus Badelt is the same guy who scored Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl.Thanks Hybrid soldier for the good news<br>I can't wait to see the documental film and hear the score of lorne balfe & hans zimmer.A score will be released.<br><br>You can always count on Lorne for that. It's in the works.
What was the last Zimmer documentary score that they released outside of BBC? <br><br>I am still waiting for The Great Bear Rainforest.I hope they can the soundtrack release for "Rebuilding Paradise" composed by Hans zimmer & Lorne balfe, including an original song for the film. I hope there is a possibility that they will release the score.How to get this at all?Any news about Rebuilding Paradise soundtrack?@Hybrid:<br>Any news about a release for Ron Howard "Rebuilding Paradise" soundtrack by Hans ans Lorne. The documentary airing today. Any info will be much Appreciated.

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  1. Fate And Hope (3:57)
    Lorne Balfe
  2. Better Days (3:05)
    Lorne Balfe (Brad Fiedel)
  3. Work Camp (3:37)
    Lorne Balfe
  4. Bus Ride (2:03)
    Lorne Balfe, Dieter Hartmann
  5. Sarah & Kyle (4:36)
    Lorne Balfe
  6. Alley Confrontation (2:33)
    Lorne Balfe, Andrew Kawczynski, Dieter Hartmann, Mel Wesson
  7. Sarah Kicks Ass (1:53)
    Lorne Balfe
  8. Cyberdyne (3:41)
    Lorne Balfe, Andrew Kawczynski, Mel Wesson
  9. Still After Us (2:52)
    Lorne Balfe, Andrew Kawczynski
  10. Come With Me (3:42)
    Lorne Balfe, Dieter Hartmann
  11. John Connor (2:56)
    Lorne Balfe
  12. It's Really Me (2:36)
    Lorne Balfe, Andrew Kawczynski, Mel Wesson (Brad Fiedel)
  13. Alcove (2:17)
    Lorne Balfe
  14. I Am More (2:40)
    Lorne Balfe
  15. If You Love Me You Die (5:52)
    Lorne Balfe, Andrew Kawczynski
  16. Judgement Day (2:56)
    Lorne Balfe, Andrew Kawczynski
  17. Family (3:14)
    Lorne Balfe, Andrew Kawczynski
  18. Fight (3:01)
    Lorne Balfe
  19. Sacrifice (4:21)
    Lorne Balfe
  20. Guardianship (3:26)
    Lorne Balfe
  21. What If I Can't? (4:23)
    Lorne Balfe
  22. Terminated (2:00)
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AOL reply Replies: 9 || 2016-04-29 02:23:50
Complete Score leaked

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ggctuk2016-07-28 09:10:26
Nobody seems to have mentioned anything about this, so I'll post it here. Here is the list of cues in this leaked version:

1m01 Better Days
1m02 Meet John Connor
1m03 Work Camp Speech
1m04 [no title]
1m05 I Volunteer
1m06 Reese Going Back
2m09 Reese Arrives
2m10 Griffith Park
2m11 Alley Confrontation
2m12A Meet Sarah Connor
2m12B Meet Pops
2m12C Flashback #2
2m14 T1000 On The Prowl
2m14B Old Not Obsolete
3m15 [no title]
3m16 1997 or 2017
3m17 Alcove
3m18 Sarah-Reese Into TDD
3m20 Sarah-Reese Drop In
3m21 Sarah's Story
4m22A Hospital Room
4m22B Time Travelers
4m23 John Shows Up
4m24 Guardian Shows Up
4m25 It's Really Me
4m26 Family-Pops Shoots
4m27 I Am More
4m28 Hospital Fight
5m29 Cyberdyne
5m30 Memories
5m31B Hatching The Plan
5m32 If You Love Me You Die
6m33 Bus Ride
6m34 Guardian On The Move
6m35 Golden Gate
6m37 Interrogation
6m38 Helicopter Chase
6m39 Cyberdyne Lobby
6m40 Come With Me
7m41 Come With Me Pt.2
7m42 Fight
7m43 Sacrifice
7m44 What If I Can't
7m45 End Credits
8m46 System Online

The suites were not included in the leak but the leak did confirm that the following tracks from the OST are suites:

-Fate And Hope
-Sarah And Kyle
-Sarah Kicks Ass
-John Connor

Felix2016-07-28 11:15:18
1m04 1984

Felix2016-07-28 11:16:02
3m15 Still After Us

peter2016-07-28 17:17:10
Yea I already have it, Meet John Connor is the best

DT-20172017-05-17 17:03:33
No complete score entry on this site for this score? I've edited my own from the sessions leak after careful listening to the film channels to figure out what goes together. I really like it. Some people say it's not good but I feel it captures some of the synthetic qualities of Brad Fiedel's work quite well. And I love the use of the Stormdrum 3 Dragon Ensemble instruments throughout.

Anyway, here's my playlist for it:

CD 1:

01 Better Days/Meet John Connor
02 Work Camp Speech
03 Terminator Arrives
04 I Volunteer
05 Reese Goes Back/Reese Arrives
06 Griffith Park
07 Alley Confrontation-Meet Sarah Connor
08 Meet Pops/Flashback 2
09 T-1000 On The Prowl/Old Not Obsolete
10 Stil After Us
11 1997 or 2017/Alcove
12 Sarah And Reese Into TDD
13 Sarah And Reese Drop In
14 Sarah's Story
15 Hospital Room/Time Travelers
16 John Shows Up/Guardian Shows Up
17 It's Really Me/Family/Pops Shoots
18 I Am More/Hospital Fight
19 Cyberdyne
20 Memories

CD 2:

01 Hatching The Plan
02 If You Love Me You Die
03 Bus Ride/Guardian On The Movie/Golden Gate
04 Interrogation
05 Helicopter Chase
06 Cyberdyne Lobby
07 Come With Me (PT1-PT2)/Fight/Sacrifice
08 What If I Can't
09 End Title/System Online
10 Fate And Hope
11 Sarah And Kyle
12 Sarah Kicks Ass
13 John Connor
14 Guardianship

Anonymous2017-05-17 17:14:20
@DT-2017, you got a link to share your version? I would like to hear it please. Thank you :)

DT-20172017-05-17 19:18:22
I don't share links publicly and this site doesn't tolerate it anyway.

DT-11382017-06-21 18:12:13
Well over a year on, and still no page for the score leak?

Lorne Balfe2018-02-26 14:55:53
Jesus Christ, HZ put me in charge of this. Luckily the director is a wanker who has no idea over music.

Okay, Fiedel. What Brad? Who is Brad? Anyways, I will do that thumping thing a few times and use my paper synths to cover it.

Here we go. I have no themes, exactly as they wanted.

I sound like an advertisement!

Yes, I have made my impression on the world.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 3 || 2015-10-15 18:03:37

CD version available here.

ggctuk2015-10-16 09:33:18
Yeah, the CD's showing up on Amazon UK. Damn, &#163;30... Shove it, I'm buying it!

ggctuk2015-11-16 08:38:07
Looking back down the page, it looks like Guest got their wish. Anyway, here's a new chrono order:

-Better Days
-Work Camp
-I Volunteer
-Reese Going Back
-Griffith Park
-Confrontation (We are missing parts of this cue)
-Sarah Kicks Ass (The film uses a different mix)
-T-1000 on the Prowl
-It's Really Me
-Still After Us
-1997 or 2017
-Last 1:10 of I Am More (missing the start of this cue up to the 2029 flashback)
-Hospital Fight
-If You Love Me You Die
-Bus Ride
-Golden Gate
-Judgment Day (I renamed this to "Helicopter Chase")
-Come With Me
-Fight (we are missing a small part of this cue where Genisys says "What was it you said? 'I don't think so'."
-What If I Can't? (we are missing the small piece when Pops uses his newfound T-1000 powers to force the bunker door)
-End Titles
-System Online
-Fighting Shadows (this was released as a single)

Then you'd have the suites:
-Fate And Hope
-Sarah And Kyle
-John Connor

ggctuk2015-11-16 11:51:29
Actually, I got a bit wrong there. It's Really Me goes before "Family".

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 4 || 2015-11-15 14:20:31
Little who did what on this OST...

Felix2015-11-15 16:00:37
Complete Score list would be nice too :D

Russel2015-11-15 17:44:12
What, so you can post a list on a forum?

ggctuk2015-11-15 18:39:25
Haha! Yeah, somebody was doing that on another site (we all know which one) in the hopes they could trick somebody else into uploading it.

Hybrid Soldier2015-11-15 20:21:15
And for the extra tracks :

Lorne Balfe, Andrew Kawczynski

Lorne Balfe

Lorne Balfe (Brad Fiedel)

Lorne Balfe, Andrew Kawczynski, Dieter Hartmann, Mel Wesson (Brad Fiedel)

1997 OR 2017
Lorne Balfe

Lorne Balfe

Lorne Balfe

Lorne Balfe, Dieter Hartmann

Lorne Balfe, Steffen Thum

Maggo reply Replies: 8 || 2015-09-10 19:00:21

I miss one epic long track, at the beginning.
the moment when john came from the top and grab kyle's hand. its start with a synthy... fades to the private speak with J & K before he goes up to the big speach... and the final takedown ambush / work camp speach.

i miss exactly these tracks so hard =c

cant find it on the official and unreleased.
any reason?

greetings from frankfurt ;)

ggctuk2015-09-10 22:03:20
Because they chose not to include it?

Maggo2015-09-10 23:36:58
Wooow, thank you!!!... =/

ggctuk2015-09-11 09:03:56
What did you expect? Somebody to magically pop up and provide you with what you are looking for? It doesn't work like that. We're lucky Lorne Balfe even put the unreleased stuff on his website. Composers usually put tracks up as examples of their work but the majority of the time it's usually samples of officially-released tracks anyway.

Maggo2015-09-11 12:11:44
Yes! =j
Hope somebody hear my cry and put the missing track on the unreleased list on lorne's page^^ Sure its naive, but i have seen when composer do some fan-service. awesome move!

ive wondering nobody missed the track too, sorry to be individual.
(and sorry for the bad english)

ggctuk2015-09-11 21:43:10
You got nine extra tracks adding twenty more minutes to the CD. This is about the most 'fan service' as is going to happen unless the sessions leak out.

Maggo2015-09-11 23:28:35
i dont get it why you are so harsh to me? (or do i misread something) is it a dumb request? a childish question?

have you not such moment when a track inspired you but you cant an isolated version... i am the only one?

dont get it, but thanks for your time.

Edmund Meinerts2015-09-11 23:46:25
It's not a dumb question, and believe me when I say I think we've all been there. It's just a little, I don't know, naive to expect anything to actually happen based on a post on a fan site.

I'm still waiting for a clean version of the Main Titles (film version) from X-Men 3, for instance... :p

ggctuk2015-09-12 09:35:24
I'm not being harsh. I'm telling it as it is. Of course there are cues I'd love to have - one of my biggest wants, which is not RCP-related, is the score to Digimon: The Movie. I have only half of what was scored for that movie and am aching for some of the moments I remember best. I've done my best to try and get those moments for myself but while I haven't had much luck, going from 0 minutes of score (the OST only included the songs) to 30 minutes of score, not including two tracks posted by Udi Harpaz that are essentially 'concert-style recordings' 9which would bring it up to 37 minutes). I was also lucky to have some of the other music Udi Harpaz composed for Masked Rider and the 1990s Spider-Man before he uploaded those to his SoundCloud account.

If you want this track so bad, why don't you ask Lorne Balfe himself if he'd be willing to share it with you? Most younger composers have Facebook these days so it shouldn't be hard to find him.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 4 || 2015-08-29 10:44:05
Lorne added a bunch of unreleased cues on his website ! ;)

Lejti2015-08-29 11:32:30
thx Hybrid!
unfortunately the "Systems Online" is corrupted for me

Hybrid Soldier2015-08-29 11:48:47
Yeah I see that I'm telling them.

ggctuk2015-08-29 17:20:37
That unreleased stuff is pretty cool. It'll bring up the total time of the OST, and it's nice to have the Reese volunteering/Reese sent back themes.

ggctuk2015-08-29 19:36:21
BTW, that track is NOT corrupted: the player is asking for "Systems Online" but the track is titled "System Online".

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 26 || 2015-07-08 22:39:50
If someone's interested in the staff I added the booklet credits... Booklet that doesn't really actually exist... yet... lol

Dudu2015-07-09 10:57:33
I have a question about Dieter he a RCP guy? I saw he did a lot of additional music for Lorne, but then when watching the end credits for guardians of the galaxy, I saw his name...and then realized he does additional a lot for Tyler Bates too.

Hybrid Soldier2015-07-09 11:33:31
Part time !

Dudu2015-07-09 12:52:30
Great for him, composing for blockbusters after blockbusters!
Err...sorry but another question:do you know if Lorne will do the music for the next Skylanders game?

Guest2015-07-19 19:35:37
So where is the information you said would be available about the physical release because I have searched everywhere and nothing is come of the physical existence of said Soundtrack Album?

Guest2015-07-27 00:17:40
Hybrid where is the physical cd release aye you said you would give information on it a couple weeks ago and you have not given jackshit, I have looked all over the Internet and found nothing of its existence.

So where is the physical release of said soundtrack?

Russel2015-07-29 06:47:30
Dear Guest, stay tuned. You will be pleasantly surprised, actually :)

Guest2015-08-07 18:51:03
Yeah Russel I don't think so this is not going to cd, the movie has been out for a month and a bit now and still no physical cd has come of exsistance and not only that some one asked Lorne if there is a cd version and replied yes in 3 weeks, well we are coming up past the 4 week mark from when he said that.

So unless you can magically just make it happen I stand by the fact I believe this is not going to be a physical album because this guys stuff barely if ever gets to a physical cd.

Russel2015-08-08 01:37:33
It will release I'm pretty sure.

Guest2015-08-11 21:54:54
Yeah russel I highly doubt that because physical soundtrack albums and soundtrack albums in general typically release one of 2 ways.

1. Soundtrack album gets released ahead of the films release Or
2. Soundtrack albums get digital release like this did then a physical album follows a week or two after.

And like I said we are past the 4 week mark from whence Lorne said a cd was coming and again go look yourself buddy there is no physical album in exsistance so yeah I don't think we're getting one unless a label like LaLaLand records gives us one.

I was happy they released age of extinction on cd but pissed off they made it a LE when they didn't add anything noteworthy to the release to justify a LE just took the digital iTunes released and plopped it onto cd, I'd hate for them or some label to do the same with this if they did.

Hybrid Soldier2015-08-11 22:13:53
Lorne signed about 80 physical copies like 2 weeks ago...

But I doubt there'll be a general release... Maybe it'll just end up being promotional limited items...

Guest2015-08-11 22:36:40
And that's exactly the type of shit I just explained could possibly happen and if it did I'd be pissed just like I was for AOE see this is the problem I have with the digital age bullshit we have to fight and beg for physical releases and we shouldn't and i know we still get physical albums for most things but a lot of the time it's also just some digital bullshit till we beg and demand physical copies/releases.

But I read up on that hybrid about him signing some copies but he only did a few though for giveaways for some shit and I doubt I highly doubt it was 80 like you said maybe 15-20 if that.

My point is there is no physical release for general public when there should be and it may end up been another AOE and I don't want that again unless we get something noteworthy should a label release it and call it a stupid LE.

Hybrid Soldier2015-08-11 22:45:31
Look, first, you calm down.

I'm tired of you, it's been a while.

Don't come here tell me I give wrong information. I give what I can. Even Lorne didn't know about a general release.

And honestly ? If the physical doesn't come out because Paramount doesn't give a shit, then that's just too fucking bad ! That's life ! Life is unfair !

And I'm personally perfectly fine with digital, but that's just me... lol

Guest2015-08-11 23:06:54
1. Don't tell me to calm down when I am perfectly fine thank you very much I dunno how you can assume I'm angry or even yelling like you could know anyways but I'm perfectly at ease.

2. I never said you're information was wrong I just said what you said was a little off cause I told you I read up on the thing with him signing stuff and that your number 80 was doubtful highly doubtful especially given it was to do with a damn giveaway.

3. You're probably right that paramount don't give a shit they didn't give a shit for ninja turtles last year so it's no shock if they don't give a shit now for terminator.

4. Then you're part of the problem then when it comes to digital products and digital only.

I dunno if you're a gamer or play games but you sound like one of those idiots that would have been okay with when Microsoft announced their XBONE online only crap, but because of the outcry from everyone and demands they turned that around and did a 180.

If you can't reply or respond when I asked you 2 weeks or so ago about your information regards to physical release why you thinks it's ok to open and say silly stuff now?

Hybrid Soldier2015-08-11 23:25:08
Because I'm not at your orders sir, I was bored by your questions... And yet out of curiosity I still asked Lorne... if you have a problem, contact these guys :

"Skydance Productions LLC & Paramount Pictures"

Acting like a kid on this site won't help you in your "Save the CD" quest. I'm done answering you, I have more important stuff to do... And I'm not a gamer. Been years... But you sure sound like one !

Guest2015-08-11 23:40:25
Good I'm done listening to you and I have better things to do with my time as well but seeing as you act like a jackass given all you responded with I couldn't give two shits.

You're the one I seen people make fun of you cause of you're high and mighty horse and seems think you actually spend quality time and full conversations with these composers like you're one yourself, so I'm not overly supprised by your attitude and responses.

Copy and pasting the label that released this doesn't make you smart either or telling me to contact them as if I'd get anywhere with that you asshat.

Don't bother responding back because I'm done talking to you just as much if not more than you are with me.

Good day

Steve2015-08-12 07:37:44
Internet drama... bring out the popcorn. Where's that Michael Jackson GIF when you need it?

Let's be honest though, your attitude has been aggressive from the start, Guest.

Hybrid Soldier2015-08-12 08:17:28
LOL yeah, we should check how we could technically add pics to the comment section. I'd just throw tons of memes... lol Mostly facepalms... :)

RealFfingMusic2015-08-12 10:33:52

There you go. I used my immensely incredible intellectual machete to summarise the conspicuous conversation culminated between High Lord Hybrid Soldier and our honourable Guest in its entire entirety into one sentence.

keky2015-08-12 11:30:19
Well, it's a pity if they don't release it on CD since I'm not willing to pay for a digital only release. On CD I would buy it and I've been hoping for a physical release mostly because comments on this forum made me think there would be one. Anyway, if this would be the most important problem of my life I would be a happy man! :)

Zimson2015-08-12 12:37:03
Oh man, while you're at spamming paramount, do me favor and ask them why they won't release it on audiocassete. I'm pretty sure the answer will be the same.

Guest 2015-08-12 12:52:09
@steve if you're making that accusation based on me using curse words than you are a stooge.

@RealFfingMusic I like that anology because that's basically what transpired I'm not gonna deny that.

@Zimson I'm not bothering with them cause I know I'll get no where hence ignoring it.

@keky yes I understand that I got that assumption as well but I did some researching myself and nothing exsists of a physical release outside some stuff Lorne signed himself for some giveaway, I sorta get why I see people mocking and making fun of Hybrid because he runs around all over the forum announcing and giving information that actually isn't always concrete information. And he acts like he some freaking soundtrack deity just go look at his response as to why he never responded to my question initially from a couple weeks ago.

I also do not buy digital because I'm for the physical releases only, there is no value what so ever in digital and digital only products.

Steve2015-08-12 22:36:37
Actually, I was thinking of the entitled attitude of your very first posting, before you even started using curse words. Let's summarise your posts:

#1 Entitled
#2 Slightly aggressive with it.
#3 sarcastic
#4 is probably the most calm post you have made
#5 Getting angry
#6 Very angry and aggressive
#7 Still very angry and aggressive, starting to hurl insults
#8 hurling insults but the aggression seems to have toned down a little

I can understand you don't like digital releases. Really, I do. Posting on what is essentially a fan site raging about why there isn't one is acceptable, but you seem to be holding this site personally responsible for there not being a release. Or at least, that's how you are coming across. If you don't like it, Hybrid did suggest one avenue which you rejected. Another would be to contact Lorne Balfe himself. I believe he has Facebook.

Guest2015-08-13 17:56:55

Okay Steve let me start by saying I originally asked my question because hybrid had responded to someone else's question about a physical release if there was any to start with and frankly he came out saying there should be in a few weeks from when he posted he the. Went on to say he was going to give information and let everybody know the details of if and when available.

He never came out with any information what so ever after the fact and that's when I came in with my question and he never answered, then I asked again and once again never answered, someone else had come and told me simply you'll be supprised when really I wasn't and I'm still not supprised.

Not only did he finally come out of his cave he had a attitude right from the get go and actually escalated himself from the very beginning, in one post he even said why he didn't answer my questions initially if anyone is the entitled one from the whole thing it's him.

Like I said I sorta get why when I come on the site and I see people mocking and making fun of hybrid it's because of stuff like what happened in the posts and he acts like he some deity and spends quality time with the composers and labels like he is one himself.

Second I know this is a fan site and not actually run or owned by some entity that doesn't change the fact that he seems to think to be the know all be all, the guy even tried to argue with me about Lorne signing just a handful of things for a giveaway and tried to argue me otherwise.

The hybrid person weather male or female is a jackass.

I have contacted Lorne myself that's why they argued me I starting getting angry cause he thinks he knows better. I can tell you right now there will not be any physical release of this title unless a label like lalaland records or intrada come along and release it cause clearly at this point paramount don't give two shits to give us a physical release, and like I said to @keky there is no value what so ever in digital and digital only products.

I don't normally get riled up in the way hybrid had me get to in some of those posts and in fact up till this point I never even posted anything before.

Russel2015-08-13 21:02:48
I tried to explain to you that it should be getting a release, Guest. I didn't mean for this to go on and on. I'm sorry this happened.

ggctuk2015-08-13 21:37:55
Well this escalated fast.

Let's just let bygones be bygones, and just enoy the music in whatever form, shall we?

Guest2015-08-14 05:13:55
@Russel yeah I know I tried telling you it wasn't going to get one even though I wanted one and still do :) but it not gonna happen unless one of those labels comes along and releases it to us and don't be sorry it's all good, just so you know hybrid escalated it but whatever it doesn't matter because I'm not going to listen to anything or pay attention to the jackass again.

Yes, yes it did there no denying that but it did because of hybrid and yes you are right we should enjoy all music no matter the form but I will not support anything that's digital and digital only no matter how much I love the composers or music if there is not a physical product, there is no value in digital products none what so ever.

baki reply Replies: 1 || 2015-07-18 19:24:07
Terminated is wonderful

ggctuk2015-07-18 23:48:14
Of course it is. There's not many ways you can muck up the classic Terminator 2 theme. It's a great rendition.

ggctuk reply Replies: 6 || 2015-07-07 10:10:16
So, I've seen the movie, and I liked it. And there were some good music moments in the movie that, typically, don't appear on this soundtrack. However, I'm struggling to remember a chronological order for this soundtrack.

ggctuk2015-07-11 11:18:18
So, figuring out a chronological order after seeing the film a second time. Could use some help, but here's what I got so far:

Better Days
John Connor
Work Camp
Fate And Hope
--You can insert Griffith Park here.
Alley Confrontation
Come With Me
Sarah Kicks Ass
Sarah & Kyle
It's Really Me
I Am More
If You Love Me You Die
Judgement Day
Bus Ride
Still After Us
What If I Can't?

Feel free to chip in and correct me on this order, but I think for the most part this is correct.

ggctuk2015-07-11 12:25:39
I got "Judgement Day" and "Bus Ride" the wrong way round - IIRC, "Judgement Day" scores the helicopter chase. So it should come after "Bus Ride" not before it.

Hybrid Soldier2015-07-11 12:37:34
The chronological order is :

Better Days
Work Camp Speech
(Griffith Park)
Alley Confrontation
Sarah Kicks Ass
Still After Us
It's Really Me
I Am More
If You Love Me You Die
Bus Ride
Helicopter Chase
Come With Me
What If I Can't

Suites :
Fate & Hope
Sarah & Kyle
John Connor


ggctuk2015-07-11 17:22:16
Thanks for clearing that up.

Radik2015-07-12 09:56:23
Knows anybody, which track is when Kyle enter the time machine? I can't find it

Hybrid Soldier2015-07-12 09:59:37
It's not in this release, but it's basically just a slight arrangement of the Fate & Hope suite !

Tim Hung reply Replies: 0 || 2015-07-09 04:26:14
Hans Zimmer and Terminator are my favourites. I want to purchase the CD, instead of mp3!! When will it be released???

Macejko reply Replies: 6 || 2015-06-30 19:24:53
Lorne's Terminator isn't a bad listening experience, not by a longshot. It's a work of a professional and has a lot going for it in many cues. But... it's also mostly generic as all hell. It could basically belong to any action-oriented movie of the past 15 years. I'll surely listen to it some more, but after 2 and a half listening sessions I can say that "Beyond: Two Souls" stays unconquered.

Ds2015-06-30 23:21:18
Once again when it's not about Ramin, I totally agree!!

Compatto2015-07-01 00:15:41
Totally agree.

mpolonest1232015-07-01 01:07:18
The problem is with this score, it sounds like it belongs more so in a Transformers film than in a Terminator one.

It's not terrible by any means but it's far from the amazing listening experience it should have been. And is terribly generic (although I doubt the film is any good to begin with). The best parts are Balfe quoting Fiedel obviously

ggctuk2015-07-01 15:41:38
I have to agree. When I listened to the Jurassic World soundtrack, I had to listen to it twice before the new themes could sink in. Here, I've listened to it five times since and I haven't taken a single note to memory that hasn't already been used previously. This score is just too generic. There's nothing that stands out at all, aside from pieces that are direct quotations of Brad Fiedel's work (the first section of "Griffith Park", or the whole of "Terminated").

THis is going to sound rather strange, but I don't think it's helped by the fact that the score isn't synthetic enough. T3's score wasn't synthetic at all. Elfman was on the right tracks, while Balfe's score is on a different track, but headed in the same direction. It's just not there.

I'm hoping that when the sessions leak, the listening experience will improve.

Meta2015-07-03 14:12:06
Alas, you are correct...

Since T3 all the scores have gone symphonic...Sure, there's percussion and some nifty SFX to go with the music, but as a whole it just doesn't fit and turns the movie into an action adventure. Beltrami and Elfman made good themes, but they just missed the point.

Terminator should very well sound synthetic.

I figured with Remote Control behind the wheel this time, we'd get that. But in my opinion Balfe just went with Beltrami and Elfman and decided to turn this into a Jablonsky Transformers sounding score with more of your usual symphonic material.

Sure, it's using synths, but to be honest I would have preferred the synths Junkie used in Mad MAx over what was used here. Or hell, drag out Han Zimmer's harsh droning synths from the early 2000s...toss in some more anvil and marching band for the percussion and there you go.

I simply don't understand why this is so difficult. Or maybe it's too simple and that's why they keep missing the mark.

The Terminator Salvation video game score sounds closer to what I was hoping it would sound like than what we got.

Oh well...Nice themes though.

ggctuk2015-07-03 21:29:56
The Terminator Salvation video game correctly included the T-1000 motif, even if it wasn't used in the right context.

If Balfe stays, I'm hoping he leans more towards synth in the next score. If not, then I hope whoever takes over does.

mpolonest123 reply Replies: 0 || 2015-07-03 15:37:24
This score should've sounded more like Chappie...

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 19 || 2015-06-16 15:48:16
Paramount Pictures is releasing it... If we're lucky it's planned for the 30th of june, so in 2 weeks...

Russel2015-06-16 19:53:24
And if we're lucky like last year, they will upload the complete score as the FYC on their Guilds website. ;)

ggctuk2015-06-16 21:52:58
Can't wait! I was apprehensive at first but on hearing the theme I realise just how well the RCP sound can suit a Terminator movie.

hhh2015-06-25 19:13:10
22 tracks Total Length: 1:11:41 from "DIGITAL MUSC" on AMAZON. Check it.

Hybrid Soldier2015-06-25 19:20:52
Yep I know ! Posted a suite ! :)

hhh2015-06-25 19:34:52
I'm listening now. Thank you.

kekec2015-06-25 20:00:54
Will there be a CD release too or it's download only?

Hybrid Soldier2015-06-25 20:01:26
Supposed to be physical as well...

kekec2015-06-25 20:14:22
Thanks, Hybrid Soldier! I'm glad it will be physical as well. I like the suite.

Joshua2015-06-25 20:58:52
Ah yeah! You can hear Lorne's Transformers 1 influence all over this. I'm a fan.

Ds2015-06-25 22:15:52
I like it when a soundtrack is released one week before the date previously announced, the last week is always the most painful to wait for a new score. I'd love to have the same surprise with Hans' scores someday :-p

Thank you for the suite Hybrid, it sounds like a good old RC score, well produced and with a nice theme. Sounds a bit like a Transformers score. I hope this pushes Lorne a little further into the light, he deserves it!

Hybrid Soldier2015-06-25 22:23:03
Well, don't you remember Chappie when iTunes screwed up, and instead of "pre-order" status they put it on sale 1 week before the release date ? I bought it right away before they corrected their mistake !! lol

Ds2015-06-25 22:36:33
Hahaha well that's true, I remember discussing that with you at the time, I did exactly the same. I held my breath during the whole download, fearing they would somehow manage to cancel it before I could listen :-p

ggctuk2015-06-25 22:56:35
Sounds fairly typical of what I'd expect. It kind of reminds me of the Trond Viggo-Melsen score to the Terminator Salvation game, only without quite as many heavy themes.

The only thing I really didn't like from what I've heard so far is the non-inclusion of anything to do with the 1984 T-800 arrival or the T-800 vs T-800 fight (which starts out using the classic 'mechanical heartbeat' motif that Brad Fiedel used in the first film). I'm hoping for a more complete leak in the near future.

Batou2015-06-26 00:17:59
Really good score, my favourite of the 5. It just sound like a video game sometimes but it's really cool whatever ! :)

ggctuk2015-06-26 14:44:18
"The Terminator" will always be mine.

Speaking of The Terminator, listen carefully to the end of "Terminated". Rather than just have 'dudun-dun-du-dun" at the end like with the T2 theme, the strings have the four note rise that carries on after the original theme's trumpet solo.

Anonymous2015-06-27 03:42:47
Hybrid, why would you have to buy the Chappie soundtrack? Couldn't you just have asked your "good buddy" Hans to give you a copy of it? Hmmm.

Harry2015-06-28 14:21:47
Does anybody know when the CD version will be available? So far I can only find it as a download and there's no info anywhere about the CD release date. The only thing that indicates that probably will be a physical release as well is a game on the fan page where dedicated albums could be won.

Hybrid Soldier2015-06-28 15:12:14
I can confirm there's a CD coming. Have to be patient, a few weeks... At least 3... Will let you know when there's more info but it's coming.

Dimitris Krommidas2015-06-28 16:17:11
Tnank you Hybrid Soldier.

Ds reply Replies: 3 || 2015-06-27 12:57:22
In the end credits of the movie, both Lorne and Hans are credited as "synth programmers". So I guess Hans did a little more than just speaking :-p

Hybrid Soldier2015-06-27 13:18:27
Well you know how it is... You help me I help you... :P

Anonymous2015-06-27 17:54:47
define synth programming?
is it like coding on computers, with lots of commands and syntax, etc?

ggctuk2015-06-27 22:53:04
I think in this case it's taking samples in a VST and setting them up and sequencing them. The percussion, for instance, is entirely synth.

cody reply Replies: 2 || 2015-06-26 22:48:20
theres a track titled Griffith Park thats unreleased that was reeleasd on soundcloud....where would it go, track number wise? just wondering...

ggctuk2015-06-27 07:38:51
I'd guess before "Sarah Kicks Ass", if the album track titles correctly represent their placement in the film.

ggctuk2015-06-27 07:40:14
Looking again, it's possibly "Alley Confrontation" if the 1984 scenes fit the order they did in the first film.

Phil reply Replies: 0 || 2015-06-26 20:36:10
in Austria it's already on iTunes! just bought it ;)

dd reply Replies: 1 || 2015-06-26 18:44:16
I don't know you guys, but it really sound like a Transformer score...for me ! :) what do you think ?

Shore2015-06-26 19:31:49
Yeah, it's very similar scores, but the different is that Transformers score is MUCH better.

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 0 || 2015-06-26 16:32:13
Hopefully when next year arrives, I'll look forward to the FYC sessions from composer Lorne Balfe. Overall, I love this soundtrack!

hhh reply Replies: 0 || 2015-06-25 19:32:10

Dimitris Krommidas reply Replies: 2 || 2015-06-11 15:41:11
Guys, if you enter the official site of the movie you can hear the theme.

QScore2015-06-11 16:28:02
But this time the music is shorter and fades out after 1 min. The original cue had a runtime of 2:02 min.

hi i am hz fan2015-06-11 20:40:53
but this theme same, old theme. Just sound quality lol

Hal reply Replies: 2 || 2015-06-10 17:27:30
Hybrid, I just gotta ask. What does the executive music producer do?

Hybrid Soldier2015-06-10 19:06:22
He helps the composer handling the score. He's the middle-man between the film producers / director and the composer. He helps with the general style of the score and makes sure everything goes as planned. He has a word on the final thing "Do this, more of that, avoid this..." etc.

In other words, he TALKS... With everyone. Communication is the keyword. He gives his opinion on everything.

ggctuk2015-06-10 22:29:24
I wonder whose idea it was to bring back Brad Fiedel's theme, given that previous films have failed to do so.

ggctuk reply Replies: 7 || 2015-06-08 22:23:03
Dat Terminator Theme. This is the one thing that I, and everybody else, wanted more than anything in this film. Coupled with the Jim Cameron approval, and the reprisal of the T2 theme is awesome. Count me as pumped for this score and more excited for the film.

The end credits is apparently 7M45.

TFan2015-06-08 23:36:05
What do you know about the theme ?

TFan2015-06-09 00:02:34
Nevermind I found!

ggctuk2015-06-09 00:04:39
Yeah, it was no secret lol. I'm glad that Lorne Balfe chose to keep it as faithful as possible, even if it is a direct cover and not a new arrangement. I think there's only a couple of ways to spin the theme and he had the choice of doing it like the first film's theme or the second film's theme. The second film's theme is more layered, I think.

Boldizar2015-06-09 03:39:39
It isn't the one with the jungle swing drums is it?

ggctuk2015-06-09 11:12:01
I have no idea what jungle swing drums are, but I do know that it was on the Paramount site until this morning when they pulled it. It'll be everywhere else by now, though, including a certain site whose name I cannot actually type here because it gets censored. You won't need to wait too long, though: an OST will surely be out in the next couple of weeks and you can hear it then.
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Hybrid Soldier2015-06-09 13:30:17
The soundtrack release is not ready. Far from it. But it'll come...

QScore2015-06-10 22:04:54
Why isn't it possible to offer the complete score as a digital download via itunes, amazon, qobuz etc. ?

That would mean less work in post production and the score would be out earlier. I'm sure we score fans would like that and buy it anyways.

Have Zimmer & Co and other composers already considered this possibility or is this not an option for them at all? Why not try this with one or two movie scores to see how the fan reaction would be...

In some cases there are also two (or more) versions of a score, a standard version and a deluxe version. Why not make the deluxe edition the complete score?

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2015-06-10 19:14:40
Harry Gregson-Williams is going to score Matt Damon's The Martian. Didn't know where else to post this since it hasn't been announced on this website anywhere yet.

Boldizar reply Replies: 0 || 2015-06-08 22:14:37
Sorry for the previous post. Last I checked there was not a listing for this yet, so I asked in the most recent posting.

I hope we here something on this soon.© 2001-2018 OST 
Terminator Genisys soundtrack - Lorne Balfe 2015