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Probably the only reason Goldsmith isn't in my top 3 is I haven't heard enough of his music. :pWallfisch is a good composer indeed, but BR2049 (and Dunkirk) were absolutely the wrong place for him. He's not a synth guy. He was originally a protege of Dario Marianelli, for heaven's sake - he's got a far more classical/orchestral sensibility. A score like Cure for Wellness is a much better fit for him. I'm not sure why Hans thought it was best to bring him of all people in on BR2049 when the more electronically-inclined Mazzaro/Kawczynski duo would have made more sense for a Blade Runner score (I say this based mostly on Chappie).Ian - no one is trying to compare Balfe to Zimmer !Firstly there is a 20 year age gap!!!Zimmer will always be the best in my eyes but doesnít harm saying someone else can be good <br><br>Still confused why this conversation is still troubling some.I remember saying last year that I thought Lego Batman was one of the best animation scores that year and it caused some to have heart attacks.there are a hand full of people that donít think he is either good or should be working .... we get !!!! <br><br><br><br>Edmund - given the rationality you've displayed in your comments, I'm disappointed Goldsmith isn't in your top three. ;)<br><br>In all seriousness, I'd put money on Powell fucking nailing the integration of Williams's theme. While Giacchino did a solid job on Jurassic World and Rogue One (I tend to think my assessment of the latter is a bit more positive than most), frankly I just think Powell is a far better composer - a genuine A-level guy, whereas Giacchino is moreso very competent without that spark of pure talent seen in Williams, Goldsmith, Elfman, Zimmer etcI think it's worth noting that Zimmer's popularity at this point is largely under his direct control - meaning that if he were to decide to stop touring, go back to writing full-time, and return to his 'epic' thematic style, I think we'd see a surge in his popularity of the sort we saw from Batman Begins through til Interstellar. However, I just don't think he's interested, which is totally his right.<br><br>I certainly agree that the RCP proteges at this point are, frankly, shit compared to how they used to be. I mean, even a guy like Steve Mazzaro (who I genuinely like and who wrote some of the coolest cues in Chappie, and basically co-wrote BvS - a score I actually like) just utterly pales in comparison to the Powell era.<br><br>Actually, I have to take that back a bit; Wallfisch is a very, very talented guy, honestly so much better than someone like Junkie that I weirdly tend to forget he's under the RCP roof now.
@HunterTech<br><br>"I only get annoyed when people decide he's suddenly the most amazing thing ever, which he really isn't. Even on his most competent scores, it's unlikely many would recognize him as one of the greats. Respect him, sure, but not think he's out of this world."<br><br>Exactly. Hans, for all the criticism he gets (much of it for good reason), has written some of the best film music of all time (seriously, having listened to huge amounts of Williams and Goldsmith, I still find Science & Religion my favorite cue ever). On the other hand, Lorne has written innumerable adequate-to-good scores, but none that I can recall are iconic. I'd say the closest he's come is in the form of his contributions to some of Zimmer's work (personally, I think his Kick It theme is the most interesting of those in Inception), but even then he hasn't done anything as memorable as Djawadi's theme from Batman Begins.Michael - reread the second half of my previous comment. And no, I don't think Genius or Churchill are no good; I wasn't impressed by the second, to be honest, but Genius is really cool - like an updated version of Frost/Nixon, one of my very favorite Zimmer/RCP scores.<br><br>Edmund - much appreciated.<br><br>Overall, I too am baffled by many of these comments; clearly there is a middle ground between "Lorne is shit." and "Lorne is absolutely amazing.", but this seems to be missed.<br><br>And by the way, I'm actually super happy for Lorne's success - I think he deserves it given the quality and quantity of his work, and he seems like a super nice guy to boot (how many composers regularly respond to people on Facebook?). However, this doesn't mean I can't simultaneously point out the fact that much of his work is very, very similar to work he's done previously. Indeed, I think this is more of an issue for Lorne than Hans, perhaps because he takes on sooooooo many projects.I agree. His Justice League theme is just a deconstruct of his Batman theme. Clever, yeah sure - he's done similar things with the Men In Black sequels and I'm sure there's others I can't think of right now - but I personally dont consider Elfman's involvement in this new DCEU to be very welcome. Zimmer paints a different canvas than Elfman, and I love both their works.It was a missed opportunity.<br>Yeah... I'm not sure about Elfman's wave. The guy decided to bring back his old Batman theme instead of actually writing a new one. He has to re-invent himself. <br>
Seven with ZimmerYeah, Silvestri, Newman, Goldenthal and JNH too. The six most popular "new" composers, along with Horner, of the  80's and 90's.I saw a few clips from the movie on youtube. The score sounded really good. Very unlike Djawadi and very beautiful fantasy music! Can't waitI saw a few clips from the movie on youtube. The score sounded really good. Very unlike Djawadi and very beautiful fantasy music! Can't waitHonestly, I do feel bad for Elfman, because for Chrissakes hes been doing 50 Shades of Grey these days, and the last memorable scores I have of him are from 2012. But I don't think Zimmer or even Elfman for that matter are done as yet. I predict by the end of this decade Zimmer will have a new wave in popularity wash in. I'm just waiting for Elfman's wave right now...not quite seeing it yet.
Glad you caught it Rockhound. Think the others were too wound up to notice !!i was trying to be funny.Pete you are funny, although u demand from others to talk about the actual soundtrack from this page, you start to talk also about another soundtrack. but ok.... i think Forgotten is a very boring track and adds nothing to the actual scene. a variation of his theme from the track Hero would have been much more intense for the ending. sadly we got 9 boring minutes of thematic development and instrumentation. Lorne can do much better as the track Hero from the same soundtrack shows.Zimmer got X-Men: Dark Phoenix this year. And I have a hard time believing he is only scoring that film this year. Zimmer always does more than 1 film a year.No need for petty cursing .<br><br>We can discuss the soundtrack instead ! <br><br>Forgotten is cool track.Itís definitely one of Bayís best movies. Wish he would make more drama based film obvious with some action. Canít cope with more robots ! The ending of the film is so emotional and this track gave goosebumps at the end. Did sound very similar to the end of The Last Knight"Boring . Talk about the actual soundtrack or change the subject."<br><br>Ok, so someone else gets us on this topic, an arguement occurs, and NOW, only when you've realized you're losing the arguement, do you decide that this page is only for 12 strong. Which it's not. This is a forum we talk about whatever we want here.<br><br>But what a childish and pathetic attempt at avoiding our points. Just dismissively saying "Boring! Change the subject! My ears can't handle this criticism!!! Wah, wah, wah!" I guarantee you the next step after this is going to be petty cursing.
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The Peacemaker (Limited)
Label: La-La Land Records
Length: 152'13
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CD1
  1. Voice Of God - Vassily's Dilemma (6:49)
  2. Hijack (7:46)
  3. It Wasn't An Accident - Exporting Good Will - Smoke Screen (3:55)
  4. Bombs On The Move - Alexsander Kodoroff - Kodoroff's Alive (5:11)
  5. Good Guys - Bad Guys - Dusan's Village (1:51)
  6. Keep On Truckin' - Head Of Transportation - Hasselhoff - Escape (4:38)
  7. Car Chase (5:51)
  8. Forty-Four E - Dusan's Confession (3:24)
  9. Truck Convoy - License Plate (2:46)
  10. Nocturne In C# Minor (1:15) (Frederic Chopin)
  11. Get Me Authorized (feat. Mamak Khadem) (2:38)
  12. Checkpoint - Helicopter Chase (12:11)
  13. One Unaccounted For - Dusan Gets Bomb - Dusan's speech (5:06)
  14. He's Going To New York - F.B.I. N.Y. - Swiss Flight #1204 (4:37)
  15. Dusan's Flashback (6:18)
CD2
  1. Dusan With Bomb - Dusan In Church (11:18)
  2. Dusan Kills Himself (3:28)
  3. Dr. Kelly Is O.K. - Dr. Kelly Got 10 More (3:28)
    BONUS TRACKS
  4. Trains (Original Album Version) (13:54)
  5. Devoe's Revenge (Original Album Version) (5:16)
  6. Sarajevo (Original Album Version) (8:43)
  7. Chase (Original Album Version) (17:06)
  8. Peacemaker (Original Album Version) (9:45)
  9. Get Me Authorized (Alternate Vocals feat. Lisbeth Scott) (2:42)
  10. The Peacemaker Trailer Music (2:18)
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MrFix reply Replies: 10 || 2014-05-31 00:44:44
Wow, the sound on this is hurtful to my ears. the highs and mids are crazily painful and hardly anything at the bottom. very disappointed with LLL


trent easton navarro2014-06-01 13:13:24
Haven't listened to this one with headphones yet but at first listen I don't hear anything wrong with it. But I must admit I'm not a major audiophile, so what do I know.


Hybrid Soldier2014-06-01 13:36:54
Well they didn't kick anyone's ass with the mastering...


The 1997 OST was a lot more violent (and suitable for this kind of score)... They played it weak here (they even made the 1997 OST selection softer here)...


Cloud2014-06-01 19:21:12
The only thing I don't like about this is that some parts are way more silent than I'd like them to be. I find myself adjusting the volume constantly while listening to this.


Hybrid Soldier2014-06-01 19:34:15
Which is exactly the definition of a not great mastering... lol


Edmund Meinerts2014-06-01 22:33:00
I haven't listened to the new release yet but is the sound still better than the boot?


Anonymous2014-06-02 04:22:41
Actually, dynamic range is a good thing, Hybrid.


RealFfingMusic2014-06-02 07:22:36
Dynamic range is definitely a good thing, but only when it enhances the music. But this one has such a high dynamic range that one has to keep a finger on volume control, or risk missing out certain portions. That, m'friend, is BAD remastering.

P.S. I've listened to only 4-5 tracks and I already HATE it.


Hybrid Soldier2014-06-02 07:59:10
It's a good thing for an orchestral score like Kingdom of Heaven...

For Peacemaker, not so much...


MrFix2014-06-02 11:40:39
@hybrid
Exactly!! For the peacemaker, because it's mainly synthetic (not to sure if it is completely) it's like volume was intentionally dropped and peaked during post recording to try and give more of a dynamic sound for on screen purposes. I've noticed a few scores like that too from zimmer, crimson tide for one comes into mind.


Soundtracks942017-09-20 19:32:29
I own the CD and I agree there are times in the score where it's so bombastic it distorts your speakers.

Still, I felt this was a great score from Zimmer. It was peak Russian sounding chorus time for Hans and the action cues were better than other scores of this time like The Rock.

Mike reply Replies: 2 || 2015-03-08 22:14:36
I feel like John Powell's name for "Additional Music" is new here...Have I just been missing it, or has new info come to light?


Edmund Meinerts2015-03-08 22:48:41
Yeah, I never noticed that either. Didn't think HGW was involved with this either outside of the trailer music (or is that all that is meant by "additional music" here?).

We all know Greenaway worked extensively on this and he did Face/Off with Powell the same year, so who knows...


Hybrid Soldier2015-03-08 23:15:01
I found that. Hans couldn't confirm nor deny, he doesn't remember... lol

Anonymous reply Replies: 2 || 2014-08-22 19:30:39
who arranged the trailer track?


Hybrid Soldier2014-08-22 20:14:19
Click "See details..."


Anonymous2014-08-22 23:14:36
thanks

Anonymous reply Replies: 15 || 2014-05-16 15:13:04
anyone got a tracklist? :P


trent easton navarro2014-05-16 16:41:29
not yet, guess we'll have to wait till tuesday


Poe2014-05-20 05:52:06
DISC 1
1. Voice of God / Vassilyís Dilemma 6:49
2. Hijack 7:46
3. It Wasnít an Accident / Exporting Good Will / Smoke Screen 3:55
4. Bombs on the Move / Alexsander Kodoroff / Kodoroffís Alive 5:11
5. Good Guys / Bad Guys / Dusanís Village 1:51
6. Keep On Truckiní / Head of Transportation / Hasselhoff / Escape 4:38
7. Car Chase 5:51
8. Forty-Four E / Dusanís Confession 3:24
9. Truck Convoy / License Plate 2:46
10. Nocturne in C# Minor 1:15 (Frederic Chopin)
11. Get Me Authorized (feat. Mamak Khadem) 2:38
12. Checkpoint / Helicopter Chase 12:11
13. One Unaccounted For / Dusan Gets Bomb/ Dusanís Speech 5:06
14. Heís Going to New York / F.B.I. N.Y. / Swiss Flight #1204 4:37
15. Dusanís Flashback 6:18
TOTAL DISC TIME: 74:16

DISC 2
1. Dusan With Bomb / Dusan in Church 11:18
2. Dusan Kills Himself 3:28
3. Dr. Kelly Is O.K. / Dr. Kelly Got 10 More 3:28
BONUS TRACKS
4. Trains (original album version) 13:54
5. Devoeís Revenge (original album version) 5:16
6. Sarajevo (original album version) 8:43
7. Chase (original album version) 17:06
8. Peacemaker (original album version) 9:45
9. Get Me Authorized (alternate vocals feat. Lisbeth Scott) 2:42
10. The Peacemaker Trailer Music 2:18


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-20 12:12:14
Oh La-La Land...I love you, but it seems like your trend of pointlessly combining separate cues into lengthier ones shows no sign of abating. :/


Aggelos2014-05-20 14:24:02
It's great to have all this material remastered, restored and dressed in an official package/disc.

However, I was wondering what happened to the unused cues of Peacemaker?
There is a rumour that some composers block(ed) various scores from receiving an official expanded release. Do you think that something like that happened in this case?
LaLaLand must have known that there was an unofficial release with unused cues.
I was expecting surprises from this (such as previously unreleased material etc), but so far I don't see anything big.
It looks more in the style of Broken Arrow and Speed 2. That is to say, on the one hand they were official expanded releases, but on the other hand there had been more material available (on promo releases, et al) that wasn't include for some reason.





Hybrid Soldier2014-05-20 15:52:57
What are you talking about ? The fake thing floating around for a decade ? lol


Aggelos2014-05-20 17:18:22
Ya dat thing.
Was it phoney??
In any case, where iz da previouzly unrealeazed material??


mark2014-05-20 19:08:38
hey there, just wanted to to clear this up, i remastered a few of the tracks from peacemaker just for fun, and added some extra sounds i created on my synthesizer, i named it the unused cues which is where those tracks came from, hope this helps


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-20 19:14:11
And people were naive enough to believe it, especially 10 years ago...


Poe2014-05-20 19:58:23
What fake thing are we referring to?

And yes, Edmund, my first thought was exactly the same.


Aggelos2014-05-20 22:00:13
Excellent! Not that we have clarified this up, I think we can go on with our lives. Cheers!!!

The thematic material that appears on the events that take place in Sarajevo somehow reminds me ideas by Ippolitov-Ivanov featured in his orchestral suite Caucasian Sketches.
Search on youtube for Ippolitov-Ivanov "In a Village" (the 2nd movement of the suite)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pqperR8R4g


Mr Tweedy2014-05-21 00:31:01
10 or 15 years ago, there was a "Peacemaker - unused cues" bootleg album floating around. I think they refer to this. And yes, it was a bunch of bootleg cues edited together with some synth and drums added on top of it. There was no "real" new music from Hans' studio at all.


LP2014-05-21 16:36:01
@Edmund Meinerts

More tracks = more money. So they end up compromising by way of combining the cues together. I hate this, because it's never sounded seamless, but I have to accept it because it's the only way these thing could be released legitimately


Poe2014-05-22 19:23:00
Number of tracks has nothing to do with it. More music=more money, if anything, but having split tracks wouldn't make it more expensive.


Aggelos2014-05-23 13:37:35
Regarding cues such as Dusan's Confession, Dusan's Village, Dusan's speech, the thematic material somehow bears an interesting resemblance to ideas by Mikhail Ippolitov-Ivanov featured in his orchestral suite Caucasian Sketches ("In a Village" the 2nd movement of the suite).
Am I the only one who has noticed this?




Aggelos2014-05-25 16:52:00
In addition, Trains (album version) or Hijack have moments that remind a little bit Sergei Prokofiev's "Tylbat's Death" from Romeo and Juliet.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 5 || 2014-05-22 22:23:28
I added all the booklet credits... :)


thejok3rrules2014-05-22 23:28:50
Did Zimmer actually wrote everything except ''Devoe's Revenge'' and the trailer music?


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-23 12:14:49
That's ironic considering "Devoe's Revenge" is the one cue we know is cowritten by Gavin Greenaway.


thejok3rrules2014-05-23 19:53:17
It's nothing ironic, mate... I checked the booklet, it said ''All Songs Written by Hans Zimmer Except
"Devoe's Revenge" Written by Gavin Greenaway
& "The Peacemaker Trailer Music" Written by Harry Gregson-Williams'', so I asked myself: Is it true? Whatever.


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-23 21:46:10
Oh, sorry! I somehow managed to read your comment the wrong way around. Silly me... :p


thejok3rrules2014-05-24 16:23:20
Don't worry, mate, it's not a problem ;)

marco reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-20 23:24:19
i hope the remastering on this isn't as harsh on the ears as broken arrow was

MrZimmerFan reply Replies: 7 || 2014-05-04 15:09:05
The best of the best for Hans


Aggelos2014-05-04 19:00:47
This is going to be very interesting, nonetheless!
Hopefully, LaLaLand will release more stuff from the Media Ventures gang of the '90s before long.



trent easton navarro2014-05-04 20:13:16
LaLaLand has already released quite some quality stuff from the 90's (Mancina's Bad Boys, Money Train and Speed scores, Zimmer's Broken Arrow and Days of Thunder). But there are still a few I like so released (Fair Game, Assassins) or expanded (The Fan, The Rock)


Anonymous2014-05-05 18:52:11
Next up please, The Fan, The Fan, The Fan!!!


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-05 19:30:18
I'm really surprised how many, uh, fans The Fan has. I know that apparently the album isn't a good representative of the score, but still - I didn't think what's there is really much good. I'm much more excited about The Peacemaker (even though I've already heard it :p )


Lambegue2014-05-05 19:40:18
I'm really excited about this one too


trent easton navarro2014-05-05 22:42:34
Like I said in an other thread, for me The Fan is the perfect combination between Hans Zimmer and NIN. Considering you don't like Trent Reznor, I'm not surprised you don't really care for The Fan.

As for this one, can't wait to own it! One of my fave Zimmer scores and of his finest action scores.


Aggelos2014-05-13 21:24:27
From LLL's FB page
@"
REISSUE PRODUCED FOR LA-LA LAND RECORDS BY DAN GOLDWASSER
MASTERED BY DOUG SCHWARTZ AT MULHOLLAND MUSIC
LINER NOTES BY TIM GREIVING
ART DIRECTION BY DAN GOLDWASSER

At long last, La-La Land Records, UME and Paramount Pictures (in association with Dreamworks Pictures) present one of Hans Zimmerís greatest action scores Ė THE PEACEMAKER. This 1997 crackerjack thriller features one of Mr. Zimmerís most legendary, jaw-droppingly awesome scores. Jam packed with over 2 &#189; hours of music -- including original album edits, an alternate vocal featuring Lisbeth Scott and music exclusively written for the filmís trailer -- this 2 cd set features in depth liner notes by film music writer Tim Greiving and spectacular art direction by Dan Goldwasser. A must have purchase for any fan of high octane, memorable action music.
"@

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