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Bit of late to the party. Watched the movie yesterday and liked the score to it very much. While looking then after the score, Ive found another more complete edition. Just in case for anyone who is also late to the game:<br><br>1. Wife Memory<br>2. Writting the Letter<br>3. Suicide<br>4. Suicide (Alternate)<br>5. You're Gonna Die<br>6. Walking Inside The Plane<br>7. Walking Inside The Plane (Alternate)<br>8. Searching For Firewood<br>9. Wolf Attacks Ottway<br>10. Attack Aftermath<br>11. Around the Fire<br>12. Put That Back<br>13. Eyes Glowing<br>14. Something's Out There<br>15. The Morning After<br>16. The Morning After (Alternate)<br>17. Life & Death<br>18. Life & Death (Alternate)<br>19. Collecting Wallets<br>20. Collecting Wallets (Alternate)<br>21. Lagging Behind<br>22. Running From The Wolves<br>23. Ottway Fights Diaz<br>24. Alpha Appears<br>25. Alpha Appears (Alternate)<br>26. Omega Attacks Diaz<br>27. Leaving The Camp<br>28. Into The Fray (Outro Only)<br>29. Burke Dies<br>30. Remembering The Wife<br>31. Remembering The Wife (Alternate)<br>32. Finding The River<br>33. Jump<br>34. Falling Down The Rope<br>35. Daughter Appears<br>36. Diaz Breaking Down<br>37. Diaz Welcomes Death<br>38. Chased By The River<br>39. Suicide Flashback<br>40. Heinrich Drowns<br>41. Last Walk<br>42. Wallets<br>43. Surrounded By Wolves<br>44. The City Surf<br>45. Main On Ends<br>46. End Credit Suite<br><br><br>Thank you Mr. Streitenfeld for this beautiful Score!Wahlberg is the worst actor ever...and the score is a poor copy of the other ones...First one had some really nice themes.thank you so much, Hybrid!The Film for me was the best by far. Mark Wahlberg, Is such a better actor than Shia lebeouf. The Score was great to I thought that it was Maybe equal with the 1st if not just underneath it.
Yeah i agree the movie was casual but if there is one thing that made it rock is the score. So heroic the composer made an amazing workBagijima kanjalo, bephethe ngaleyo ndlela, zingabantu ngamagwala...<br>literal translation from the words said by Mr. Freemans character:<br>In the song =Southland Concerto= they sang the words KANJALO, BEPHETE and NGMAGWALA... specially this last word, when... (NO SPOILERS).Wrong place..https://m.soundcloud.com/jmstudios/summer2014<br><br>Ich hoffe du siehst es mr. Hans zimmer lg jens mayrhofer from austria.thank you Hybrid Soldier!!!!<br>100% right!!! :) <br>
One thing that struck me is how dynamic, organic and meaty the orchestration on this one is compared to the first one.@RealFfingMusic,<br><br>"Bumblebee", "Optimus", "Auotbots", and several other themes were all used more than once in TF1. IMO it'll always be the best Transformers score.<br><br>@Hybrid, it seems that for once you're in the know about who worked on TF1! I don't mean it to sound insulting, it's just that you always say that score is a mess and nobody knows anything about it. Can you please tell us who wrote Bumblebee?Down with Israel...The part in DOTM where Bumblebee killed Soundwave (also the DVD menu) sounded Jab-ish to me. My mistake.<br><br>@Hybrid, any idea who did it then?Bumblebee from TF1, that theme was not written by Steve. No one is ever gonna make me believe that... :)
Transformers (2007) had quite a few great themes, but most appeared only once in the film. None but "Arrival to Earth" and the Autobots theme were reused in ROTF.<br><br>ROTF had fewer good themes, but the overall score was better -- both in film and as stand-alone.<br><br>In DOTM, a remixed version of Arr2Earth a part of "Bumblebee" were reused, once each, along with two major themes -- Battle/Moon Mission and Shockwave/Driller. Both the score and the film sounded quite appealing to me, though not as much as 1 or 2.<br><br>This one ditched nearly all the themes from the first trilogy, and featured none of SJ's peak quality. And so, from a Michael Bay fan:-<br>-= AOE SUCKS!!!=-<br><br>And that, mi amigos, is my opinion.I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought TF2 had a better score than the first one, even though it's not by much!WFT???? It's a great movie like the previous movies. Michael Bay is a master to create "Blockbusters". The score has many beautiful themes like the previous scores. Sorry Hybrid, but this time i am disagree with you. <br>P.D. I saw this film 3 times like the first 3 movies.Saw it too today!<br>The score in the movie is less disappointing than what we got on cd (many good cues that I didn't hear on any of the tracks...)<br>But....am I the only one who heard a BIG man of steel rip-off in the movie(the last part of look to the stars)????No he was not he didn't even know what that piece was... Probably some music editor's work...
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  1. I'm Electro (0:46)
  2. There He Is (2:54)
  3. I'm Spider-Man (1:04)
  4. My Enemy (8:17)
  5. Ground Rules (1:11)
  6. Look At Me (3:10)
  7. Special Project (3:14)
  8. You Need Me (3:17)
  9. So Much Anger (2:12)
  10. I'm Moving To England (1:03)
  11. I'm Goblin (3:42)
  12. Let Her Go (0:33)
  13. You're My Boy (2:57)
  14. I Need To Know (5:00)
  15. Sum Total (2:51)
  16. I Chose You (1:34)
  17. We're Best Friends (2:17)
  18. Still Crazy (2:42)
  19. The Rest Of My Life (2:28)
  20. You're That Spider Guy (5:29)
CD2
  1. The Electro Suite (12:36)
  2. Harry's Suite (10:07)
  3. Cold War (3:28)
  4. No Place Like Home (1:53)
  5. It's On Again - Alicia Keys feat. Kendrick Lamar (3:50)
  6. Song For Zula - Phosphorescent (6:09)
  7. That's My Man - Liz (3:47)
  8. Here - Pharrell Williams (4:38)
  9. Honest - The Neighbourhood (3:57)
  10. Within The Web (First Day Jam) - Czarina Russell (4:30)
  11. Electro Remix - Alvin Risk & Hans Zimmer (3:27)
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Spencer reply Replies: 1 || 2014-06-07 22:30:28
Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew the meaning of the song" You're my boy"


Q2014-06-08 18:54:26
It's to do with the scene where Aunt May tells Peter that as far as she's concerned, he's her boy (as opposed to his parents who left so long ago)

jewen07 reply Replies: 8 || 2014-04-28 12:40:07
I think this is the correct order of listening, like the film:

There He Is
Im Spider-Man
No Place Like Home
Ground Rules
Look At Me
You Need Me
So Much Anger
My Enemy
I'm Moving to England
Youre My Boy
I Need To Know
Special Project
Sum Total
Were Best Friends
Still Crazy
I Chose You
Im Goblin
Let Her Go
The Rest of My Life
Youre That Spider Guy

The album realese tracks are not complete soundtrack, I hope soon we can get the Complete Score. ;)


...2014-04-28 15:59:02
Pretty good!

I'd like to add the track "Cold War" that is after "I'm Spider-Man"


marco2014-04-28 17:32:50
so is this pretty much the correct order?



Bondo2014-04-28 23:58:05
Thanks for this! The album definitely benefits from re-editing back into chronological order. There's a more clear flow as the score goes from 'carefree, everyday Spider-Man' into chaos as the villains arise and wreak havoc


...2014-05-04 12:43:43
Do you know the title of that song Peter's listening with his earphones earlier in the movie?&#65279;


ggctuk2014-05-06 09:56:02
Any idea where "I'm Electro" goes?


... 2014-05-06 10:32:48
Maybe in the scene where electro walks to Times Square...


Julia2014-05-16 06:39:21
What song when Peter and Gwen broke up and he is in his room, arranging and putting pictures on the wall of his room? Thank you. :)


Anonymous2014-06-07 17:32:17
When he has headphones on the song is called GONE GONE GONE- Phillip Phillips

jewen07 reply Replies: 6 || 2014-05-08 13:08:34
I check the movie again and I can assure the chronologic order of the songs, and sincerely my favourite:

BEWARE BIG SPOILERS:

01. Im Electro (Album Introduction)
02. There He Is (similar to the piece that is heard during the prologue in the plane)
03. Im Spider-Man (Spider Symbol and First spider swing)
04. Cold War (Spidey vs Aleksei Sytsevich)
05. No Place Like Home (Gwen speech and Spidey catch Aleksei)
06. Ground Rules (After graduation scene, Gewn and Peter talks)
07. Look At Me (Max Dillon start a new work day in Oscorp)
08. Harry's Suite (Harry and Norman last talk)
09. You Need Me (Peter and Harry recalling childhood)
10. I Chose You (Peter and Gwen new date)
11. So Much Anger (Electro arrives to Times Square)
12. My Enemy (Battle in Times Square)
13. I'm Moving To England (After fight Gwen reveal her plan)
14. Youre My Boy (Aunt May uncover the past)
15. Special Project (Harry betrayed by his company)
16. I Need To Know (Peter goes to Roosevelt station)
17. Sum Total (Harry arrives to Ravencroft institute)
18. Were Best Friends (Peter and Gwen declare eternal love)
19. Still Crazy (Electro's Last Fight)
20. Im Goblin (Goblin takes Gwen and last fight)
21. Let Her Go (Gwen falls)
22. The Rest of My Life (Peter five months of depression)
23. You're That Spider Guy (THE BEST SCENE IN THE MOVIE)


marco2014-05-08 23:06:28
'so much anger' can also be put just before 'still crazy'


DSM2014-05-14 03:50:14
Why is "Let Her Go" in the soundtrack CD different from the movie? If you watch the movie, the song contains a female voice throughout the whole song


Julia2014-05-16 06:36:58
What song when Peter and Gwen broke up and he is in his room, arranging and putting pictures on the wall of his room? Thank you. :)


forJulia2014-05-27 22:35:17
THe song when he's arranging pictures on the wall is Gone Gone Gone by Phillip Phillips. It didn't make it onto the official soundtrack for some reason.


Anonymous2014-05-28 04:25:22
@DSM

Hybrid previously posted that the terrific piece in the movie during the clock tower / "Let Her Go" sequence with Olivia Safe on vocals was not included on the soundtrack, because it was a last minute add and the soundtrack had already gone to press. I would love to have it!

Apparently, Hans has Olivia Safe working on Interstellar with him, according to what I read. Who knows?

I finally saw the movie this weekend and loved it and Hans' score compliments that move superbly!


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-28 08:35:32
No she's not on IS, she mixed up the 2 projects (she was probably not told what she was recording for... ;)) !

Xmenfirstclass2 reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-20 08:27:51
xmenfirstclass2.com : As according to the news shown by screenrant.com it has revealed a very big spoiler regarding the upcoming great movie from the X men series' next part X men Days Of Future Past. Actually there are some pre-review of the movies that are out and are positive about the movies' plot and character developement. So what is the big spoiler, it is that Wolverine is forced to go back through his own mind to his young body and convince both young Charles Xavier and Magneto to work together and stop the ultimate mass destruction of the mutants from the hands of Sentinals.

IrishBreakfast reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-16 01:34:25
Can't wait for the Final Mixes to see the light of day. Really wanting the film version of the music from The Goblin Transformation scene and the second half of the Times Square and Electro final battle scenes.

Kawhi reply Replies: 3 || 2014-05-15 21:25:03
I Think.. 1-(I'm Electro - composed by Junkie XL - Pharrell Williams)
(opening movie version, i hear electric guitar)2- There He Is - composed by Hans Zimmer - Johnny Marr - Junkie XL)
3-(I'm Spider-Man composed by Hans Zimmer)
4-(My Enemy - composed by Pharrell Williams - Hans Zimmer - Junkie XL - Johnny Marr - Andrew Kawczynski - Steve Mazzaro)
5-(Ground Rules composed by Hans Zimmer)
6-(Look at Me composed by Pharrell Williams - Hans Zimmer)7-(Special Project composed by Hans Zimmer & Steve Mazzaro & Junkie XL - Andrew Kawczynski)
8-(You Need Me - Hans Zimmer & Johnny Marr & Junkie XL)
9-(So Much Anger - composed by Hans Zimmer & The Magnificent Six)
10-(I'm Moving England - composed by Hans Zimmer)
11-(I'm Goblin composed by Hans Zimmer - Junkie XL - Mike Einziger - Johnny Marr - Steve Mazzaro)
12-(Let Her Go - composed by Hans Zimmer)
13-(You Are My Boy - composed by Hans Zimmer)
14-(I Need To Know - composed by Hans Zimmer - Junkie XL - Andrew Kawczynski)
15-(Sum Total - composed by Hans Zimmer - Mike Einziger - Junkie XL)
16-(I Choose You - composed by Hans Zimmer - Johnny Marr)
17-(We're Best Friends - composed by - Hans Zimmer & Johnny Marr)
18-(Still Crazy - composed by Junkie XL - Pharrell Williams - Hans Zimmer - Johnny Marr)
19(The Rest Of My Life - composed by Hans Zimmer)
20-You're That Spider Guy - composed by Hans Zimmer)

21- (The Electro Suite - composed by Pharrell Williams - Hans Zimmer - Junkie XL - Johnny Marr - Andrew Kawczynski - Steve Mazzaro)
22- (Harry Suite - composed by Hans Zimmer - Andrew Kawczynski)
23-Cold War - composed by Hans Zimmer - Johnny Marr - Pharrell Williams - Mike Einziger
24-No Place Like Home - composed by Hans Zimmer & Steve Mazzaro & Mike Einziger & Johnny Marr..


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-15 22:54:52
I Think...that the who-did-what on this score is going to end up being an absolute nightmare! :p


...2014-05-15 22:59:02
Do you guys honestly care about who did what?
I just like and listen to the music lol


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-15 23:03:38
Good point haha...

Speedy reply Replies: 3 || 2014-04-29 01:01:13
Sorry to be a pest - but can anyone please tell me the one I am suggesting is from 0:48-2:02
this is the trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbp3Ra3Yp74
I am just having such a hard time finding this part of the music.


King972014-05-14 03:52:46
Were can I find the song like it is in the movie? For example, "Let Her Go", which has a female voice throughout the whole song


Meta2014-05-14 05:43:56
You can't.

That track is called The Rest of My Life on the OST, and the orchestration is different - they removed the female voice. I'm guessing for spoiler reasons....Which sucks because now that track needs the female voice.


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-14 11:46:07
I think Hybrid said at some point that that female voice was a last-minute addition and was recorded after the soundtrack album had already been pressed.

Everan reply Replies: 1 || 2014-05-13 05:46:49
Seeing this is the most active thread around, is it true that Hans Zimmer sort of worked with Imagine Dragons? Heard that their new song Battle Cry, which is Transformers 4 theme song!!, he is credited in the credits of the song or something like that.

Is it true somehow? Also, when is the song being released? In case anyone knows, of course


Everan2014-05-13 06:47:48
Nevermind, from Bay's official site:
"Following an early footage screening of the film, Imagine Dragons wrote the original song BATTLE CRY, which Bay used in critical points in the film. Additionally, the band contributed original music during the scoring process by recording cues with Jablonsky, the films composer, and Hans Zimmer, who assisted in the process. The collaboration resulted in added depth to the sound of the film."

Cannot wait to hear it!

Ty Scott reply Replies: 34 || 2014-05-11 05:49:51
Wow, Clemmenson of Filmtracks just gave it a one star rating. Seriously? He thought this was worse than 300: Rise of an Empire? Even Winter Soldier?!!! You gotta be cracked in the head to say TASM 2 is worse than that waste by Jackman. I'm sad to say it, but my respect for his reviews just sank a little. Enough to think he's Zimmer-biased? Definitely not. But something's not right here.


bro2014-05-11 06:47:05
Reality check -- he has already provided the world sufficient evidence that he actually is clearly Zimmer-biased. Not that his reviewers or his lousy site are even relevant. He probably operates on a two dollar per month budget for his webhosting, he is probably /that/ guy who makes a few cents a month from adsense ads.

I would rather elect to visit the front page of the westboro baptist church than give that filmtracks site any traffic.


Zimson2014-05-11 06:58:25
Every artist who tries to break with the rules has to face criticism by traditionalists like Clemmensen. He's that sort of people who just can't accept that the "John Williams era" is over.


JamesT2014-05-11 07:22:04
Clemmenson gets one star from me, in the form of a finger. Too bad we can't vote that way ;)


JamesT2014-05-11 07:26:10
Woopsy. Misspelled his name.


trent easton navarro2014-05-11 10:18:52
@bro if you don't think he's even relevant why do you bother to rant about it? So obviously you are bothered by Clemmenson and his site


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-11 11:14:15
Yeah why mentioning him ? He only reviews RCP stuff cause it brings more clicks to his dying website than anything else does...


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-11 11:55:39
Hybrid, I think you make a good point. I bet he actually likes it more than he lets on, he just gave it one star to drum up some cheap controversy and get a bit of traffic. I think it's his worst review in years (and I usually stand up for the guy). He barely even talks about the music!


Ds2014-05-11 12:04:00
This review was hilarious. How is it possible to take comic-book characters so seriously? The guy acts like HE's the only one to know everything about them.

The reason these characters are still alive is precisely because a diverse array of authors have continuously reinvented them through the ages...


Zimson2014-05-11 13:21:42
@Ds So true! It's also funny how he still rants about MoS and how it's not patriotic enough to him. :D


NM2014-05-11 13:54:43
@Zimson What is the 'John Williams era'? I don't agree with all of this particular Clemmensen review, just as I don't agree with a lot of reviews in general. Even if not all of this score is my cup of tea, I thought it was pretty inventive in parts. I can see where people are coming from when they say maybe he should let off the RCP stuff. I personally would've rather have read his thoughts on the gorgeous 'Philomena' score than disappointments like '300'.

I don't accept the contention that 'every artist who tries to break with the rules has to face criticism by traditionalists'. The current sound we're constantly told is 'breaking the rules' is pretty much the sound de rigueur. It's safe, it's popular, it's not risky at all. Nor do I think people appreciate just how much 'traditional' music, as people see it, breaks 'the rules'.

I find the 'this is the new way', 'JW is over', 'Horner is yesterday' comments are a bit distasteful. It's ironically doing the same thing that they're criticising others of doing. And it doesn't actually give credit on particular scores like this where something new was tried, that isn't completely just following a modern trend.

I can understand why Clemmensen is jaded. There is a particular sound that is dominating mainstream action/drama scoring, and even John Powell recently commented that it's 'ruining' film music. But there are still gems being produced, despite the popularity of crushingly outdated-sounding, limp executions of Zimmer's sound. So I find I can mostly just ignore it and listen to what I want to listen, and write the music I want to write. And these things come and go, it's the current paradigm. They happen in every artistic field, something gets popular, bunch of stuff copies it.


Saurabh2014-05-11 14:19:53
I agree that Hans tries something and that sound becomes the norm for a few years which others imitate. But why blame the man for it as if he's the source of the generic crap that's out there. If others imitate his style, the only thing he can do is try to find a new sound. With MOS, the idea didn't work out as a whole according to me, but with TASM2 the results were excellent. I can't remember a recent superhero score where the hero and the villain have clearly defined and distinct themes. Whatever be the outcome, Hans tries to create a certain sound for a particular film. Why lash out at him if others are responsible for the current trashy droning safe sound? His review for CA:TWS was on a philosophical level regarding society's need for sensationalism. And yet he rewarded it 2 stars. Seriously? I think Clemmensen simply missed the point with this one or he's pretending to thanks to his bias.


greg2014-05-11 14:21:44
I agree with you NM. Most people on this page criticize people who dont like zimmer, thinking they are intolerant, but do exactly the same by saying horner, williams and more are over. The hypocrizy here is beyond everything.

Btw am i the only one who hear the exorcist theme in my enemy?


Zimson2014-05-11 14:55:03
@NM The "John Williams era" is just a term that I came up with, like the classical or romantic era in music history, but for film music. Williams was defining for the scores between the 70s and 90s, just like Hans is defining for modern action scores, so I thought I simply call that time the John Williams era.
By saying that this era is over I mean that hardly any composer today writes music in Williams' style.
However, there are still people like Clemmensen who can't accept this fact and react by bashing everything that doesn't fit into their narrow definition of what film music has to be like. This even ends up in insults against, in this case, RCP composers and downgrading of their talents which is by no means justified.

Nobody has to like RCP stuff, but it almost seems like Clemmensen is on a personal jihad or something.



NM2014-05-11 15:51:19
@Zimson Perhaps to an extent you are right. I suppose a lot of the anti-Zimmer sentiment, justified and unjustified, probably stems from the fact that film scores are really the main place you get new, big, complex orchestral pieces regularly commissioned, since orchestras and classical music have eroded in popularity. Across America and Europe many orchestras have been and are in crisis. A lot of orchestras only survive because of public funding or donations. And good luck getting your new opera commissioned! For better or for worse, film is one of the few places you can now hear new orchestral compositions.

Some would argue that value of orchestra in a world blessed with 100s of types of music, is in the challenging and complex structures it offers, and that by diminishing those qualities in an attempt to appeal to a broader base, it loses the value it offers. There is no question that the kind of music over which we are arguing, whatever its merits, is certainly not orchestrally challenging, or thematically complex in the same way your more 'traditional' film music is. So you can understand the upset, that the last refuge for complex, challenging, story-telling orchestral music is, perhaps in their eyes, being diluted.

You could of course, argue the opposite, that film music is keeping the orchestra alive, and it *has* to adapt, and that those concessions in style are necessary to keep a modern audience in touch with orchestral music *at all*. Perhaps you are right, and this simply is 'the way' now (insofar as there can be 'a way'), and we should simply appreciate that this is how orchestras are now, in the main, written for, and appreciate that. And it is absolutely true that film music != orchestral music.

Personally I think there is still a place for challenging orchestral music, and there is still plenty of challenging stuff being written. I think the sound of a pure orchestra in full flow holds an appeal that few can reject and I agree with analyses which states that the problem of decline is more to do with how orchestras market themselves etc. than an intrinsic rejection of the music by the new generation. I personally like synths and electronics and don't mind simple themes, my main disappointment with a lot of modern film music is the lack of a satisfying narrative.


Mike2014-05-11 18:35:53
Re: Edmund, "He barely even talks about the music!"

Did the same thing with MoS. I know that score wasn't your particular cup of tea, and yeah, it could have been better in a number of ways even though I do like it, but....yeah, he spent the entire time slamming Zimmer's methods and interview statements. :P


Pluto2014-05-11 19:07:00
100% agree Mike. Clemmensen did the SAME exact thing when reviewing MoS as he did with TASM 2. He seems like he has an idea of what the movie should be, and judges the scores based on what he thinks the film should have been. I mean, he slams MoS for having no romance, nobility or patriotism. The film didn't have any of those aspects! Superman and Lois don't kiss in MoS until 2 hours into the movie, and 30 seconds later, Supes and Zod are destroying half of metropolis. They way he writes his review, it's as though he were judging Zimmer's music as though Zimmer had written it for the original superman. He didn't; he wrote it for MoS. MoS had no romance, patriotism or nobility, so you won't find that in the music. Clemmensen has turned himself into a joke; in fact, he probably always was....


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-11 19:29:39
You're right about Clemmensen's Man of Steel review. Now I might not much like that score, but I'd never give it one star. It deserves at least two. Jackman's Cap score on the other hand... :p

You should have heard me around Filmtracks around 2007. I got SO MAD when he posted his review of At World's End, you have no idea... #@I!@&^$%*@#!!!!


Anonymous2014-05-11 20:03:39
wow, if it is clicks and buzz that guy wanted for his so called review, I am sure he's getting loads by now, all thanks to you guys. No wonder he keeps on bashing the composer. It sure pays off.


NM2014-05-11 20:25:30
@Edmund
"I'd never give it one star. It deserves at least two. "

He does seem a bit harsh on Zimmer versus the various influences, rip-offs etc.

@Pluto

"MoS had no romance, patriotism or nobility"

or story or characters.

But I quite liked the score as an album listening experience.

@Anon

"It sure pays off."

I doubt he gets as many clicks from it as you think.


Ds2014-05-11 22:20:54
Edmund: I would have gone crazy too if I even knew about this website back in 2007. When you're fond of a piece of art, when you find it delicate and subtle and immensely, strikingly beautiful, there is nothing worse than hearing someone quickly saying "it is just more of the same shit".

This applies to "At World's End" which is, by my standards, maybe THE best Zimmer has ever put out, a success from the first to the last second of music. And reading Clemmensen treating it just as a random, common Zimmer release, really made me hate this guy.

But back in 2007, at this time I was just a guy who used to enjoy his music at home and did not pay attention to what people were saying on the internet. What a different time it was...


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-11 23:28:15
Oh yes Ds, the good old time when I was getting the CDs of Braveheart, Titanic, Armageddon, Star Wars Ep 1, Gladiator, Dinosaur, Pearl Harbor or King Arthur and I just... listened to them, enjoying, not giving a damn about anything...

And then, the internet... For better or for worse, 2005 happened and I got in there... lol


Ty Scott2014-05-12 01:48:16
The more I read his review, the more I start getting a little pissed off. If this is Clemmensen's idea of trying to get more popularity, it may work for now but in the end it'll implode on him. Sure, he's getting more traffic now, but if he keeps pulling this crap and starts pissing more and more people off, sooner or later they'll get fed up and give him the old fuck off. He basically is gonna start turning into the Armond White (Google it if you don't know) of film score critics if he keeps this up.

As for Southall, he came in with a better approach in his review and to that extent I think he deserves more respect from me, not because he gave it a **** rating. Really loved his Godzilla review too.


RealFfingMusic2014-05-12 07:02:09
Not sure why any of you even bother viewing filmtracks.com for RCP scores. You people just provide him with traffic, which is exactly the reason he b**ches on about RCP. Want me to put it straight? YOU people fulfil his objective.


Another one2014-05-12 07:35:54
He gave 3 stars to Divergent so... I think he even give winters tale a good rating and rush too. Yeah he might be a little bitchy but sometimes he has a point. But at the it just his opinion and you just can agreed to disagreed.

Im not trying to defend him you just need to understand that people has differents opinions


Ty Scott2014-05-12 08:22:10
@ Another

Yeah, I understand to each his own and I can respect one's opinion. But he really jammed the wrong kind of opinions in his "review." I think most will agree that basically he just ranted on and on about Zimmer himself and not the music, save for a few snippets. If he wants to go off on Zimmer, well whoop-die-dee go right ahead cause I can take it. He can even right a freaking book about it for all I care. But don't make nearly all of your review of a film score a big rant about the composer. It's absurd, childish, and very un-critic like, as well as a bullshit treatment of the score itself.


NM2014-05-12 14:14:28
Why all the anger, Ty?

I don't even get why we're 'discussing' his review score to this extent. Like, what's the point? I tried to look at it from a broader perspective and talk about something interesting (changes in orchestral music and why some people react negatively to modern film music) and a (in my opinion) thoughtful post was ignored so we can go back to bitching about Clemmenson. Fuck that. It's every bit as tedious and whiney as some of you guys allege he comes across in his reviews.


Meta2014-05-12 16:28:41
This score,to me, was no different from his Superman score so technically the guy should've given at least the same score...

Eh whatever. That guy's opinion and last I checked all he does it write blogs, wait to see who posts a negative comment, and then bans them from commenting on his website, as if he's afraid of bad press.

Last I checked, the guy needs ANY kind of press, really...




Edmund Meinerts2014-05-12 17:18:15
Wow, Meta. There's so much wrong with your comment I don't even know where to start.


Mike2014-05-12 17:22:17
Perhaps the most obvious thing is that this score actually has an instantly recognizable, fun fanfare as a theme, while Man of Steel's was much more subdued for most of that score......


Ty Scott2014-05-12 17:52:50
Had to finish my two cents, NM. I felt like I didn't explain my reasoning for why I was unhappy in the op. And since there's no editing a post I had to make another.

@Meta what? Clarify that for me, please.

@Mike yeah, that was one thing I didn't like about MoS. He kept teasing it until it finally showed in the end credits.


Ds2014-05-12 18:46:04
A lot of people here seem to find this score superior to Man of Steel... In my opinion, this is a very good and enjoyable score, with brilliant parts and great ideas, but as a whole I think MoS was just better. I think in a couple of years I'll still be listening regularly to MoS, but I can't imagine the same thing happening with TASM2.

MoS was insanely cool, while being also a serious, intense score full of majesty. TASM2 is only cool and light-hearted. This is no bad thing, but for me it won't last as long as MoS will.


Mike2014-05-12 21:09:15
I must really sound schizophrenic when I discuss the MoS score. On the one hand I can understand the criticisms and think of several ways it could be better--especially within the film--but on the whole, I agree with Ds. Man of Steel was far from a perfect piece of work, and while there are things I prefer about TASM2 (a more traditional theme, a sense of levity all throughout, a fresh sound to the whole thing), I would say Man of Steel is still my preference.


Meta2014-05-13 05:41:01
I don't really CARE enough to allow my train of thought to stay on the tracks, so whatever....

I still think the guy at Filmtracks is an idiot.


Meta2014-05-13 05:43:51
Oh and by my statement of this being the same caliber as Man of Steel, I mean that in the sense that this is Zimmer being very experimental (and employing Junkie XL)


if the tard is going to give MOS 2 stars, then might as well give this one 2 stars....

Im not a huge fan of his recent collaborations, in other words.

Drunkenmunkey reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-13 00:25:54
Why the hell did they not release the track that was like a piano guitar thingy in the first electro fight with spidey? The one where it sounded like it was an electronic beat?

Carl reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-12 09:36:13
Did anyone listen through the entire end credits at the cinema? What music was playing? Was it identical to something that can be found on the album or a variation/different arrangement?

Vortex 696 reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-11 21:07:28
Great soundtrack! Wow

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-11 18:51:10
the statement of the main theme at 1:52 in cold war is probably the most heroic use of the superhero theme zimmer has yet tried. :P the version with the guitar behind it later in the track is really awesome too.

Aerosnop reply Replies: 1 || 2014-05-08 22:31:46
Hi there,
I desperately search the CD track in which we can hear that magic chord at 6sec (I know this is somewhat precise but I do not hear on the CD)
Thanks! :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnfctSWW9Ps


Aerosnop2014-05-08 22:33:54
*It seems to me that I heard it at the end of final Electro-Spidey's fight... Thanks again!

jeanbayljean reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-07 17:45:48
Does anybody know if one of these tracks includes the theme played when Spider-Man watches Gwen going to a bar with friends and then sees a fire in a building ? It's a piano theme, also heard in the youtube video "Scorring Spidey". Thank you :)

T-Mann036 reply Replies: 11 || 2014-05-03 22:48:24
My mind was completely BLOWN after watching The Amazing Spider-Man 2 in 3D earlier this morning. Hans and the sinister six composers have done an AMAZING job. It's a pity that most of the tracks are not in the original soundtrack or Deluxe Edition. Let's all hope for either the complete film score or music from the recording sessions.


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-03 23:02:18
Once again, ONCE AGAIN...

When you say : "the complete film score or music from the recording sessions." it just doesn't make any sense... Because it's the same thing, and it's actually called Final Mixes... :P


djd7112014-05-04 00:29:05
I agree here completely, there is a part in the film *SPOILER ALERT SORRY!* When Gwen dies, the music piece that plays during this sequence and then in the mourning shots after are not in the OST at all. In the film it is played with very quiet keys and there is a female choir vocal used subtly too which just sets is off brilliantly. It's the piece I most wanted to hear again but for some reason it's not been included :(


T-Mann0362014-05-04 03:38:35
My bad, Soldier... and you're right.

And djd711... I'm with you on the track not found in the original soundtrack. The one part that cracks me up is **SPOILER ALERT** when Hans and his musicians compose the "Itsy Bitsy Spider" portion. LOL I really want this track!


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-04 08:45:04
djd711 there's a very good reason the cue at the end with the vocals by Olivia Safe is not included (nor is she credited on the OST) on the OST :

It's a last minute idea that was added to the movie while the soundtrack was actually ALREADY pressed...


djd7112014-05-05 20:10:07
Does this mean we may expect a re release one day with all the tracks used? That would be brilliant!


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-05 20:50:08
Well Hans told me he was considering doing digital downloads for new material since he has a lot of leftovers... But, you know, knowing Hans, the idea is gonna vanish somewhere and we'll never see it happen... lol


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-05 20:50:57
You'll just have to keep reminding him, Hybrid. ;)


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-05 21:06:57
Well I had luck with Inception, but that was 4 years ago... I've given up on him unfortunately... You have no idea how much I have been "keeping remind him" for little releases for say, 12 Years A Slave or Mr. Morgan's Last Love... -_-


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-05 22:31:11
I can see why Hans didn't want to release 12YAS though. Weird experimental stuff and the same Time/Journey to the Line ripoff cue over and over again...yeah, not the most album-friendly score out there.


Mike2014-05-05 22:32:08
I agree, but I would still love to hear Mr. Morgan's Last Love.


ggctuk2014-05-05 23:52:16
There's got to be some good stuff that didn't make the cut of the album, though.

SOM HARSH reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-05 19:35:32
i think the enemy is the best of the bestest music by you.

Ty Scott reply Replies: 15 || 2014-05-03 05:24:00
Just saw it in the IMAX format today and the movie was pretty good overall, and the score fit pretty well. The only thing that got nixed was the barely audible vocals for "My Enemy" during the scene it was used for (might've been the audio in the theater but who knows). I'm also pleased overall with the warm reception this score has gotten. And just to think that a little under a year ago there were those who were going bats*** crazy over the fact that Hans took over this franchise and were shredding the poor guy, pre-judging the score and expecting something like Man of Steel. I'd be happy to hear what they have to say now. ;)


Mike2014-05-03 05:31:03
Curious what we have to say now?

Well, for me, I'm very pleasantly surprised overall. :)


thejok3rrules2014-05-03 16:19:12
The Electro theme is very interesting, but it gets annoying pretty soon when in the movie. Overall, this soundtrack is just another cheap, post-modern Zimmer score. You know I like him, TDK is my second favorite soundtrack of all time, but he is lost.


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-03 16:57:04
I used to think the same as you, Joker, but I think he's starting to catch himself again. Lone Ranger, Rush and TASM 2 are all pretty good scores to me.

And I'm not sure what in this score constitutes a "cheap, post-modern Zimmer score", a moniker I think Man of Steel deserves, but not this. This has innovative electronic usage, no samples overdubbing the orchestra, woodwinds, a trumpet fanfare theme...not things you frequently see in Zimmer or Zimmer-like scores lately!


thejok3rrules2014-05-03 17:21:29
I'm glad he uses this trumpet fanfare thing for Spidey's theme, but it sucks. Simplistic, non-engaging... Far, far behind Horner's score.


bro2014-05-03 17:38:51
Those are some pretty wild, ignorant comments.

Man of Steel wasn't /that/ bad, and almost everything the joker guy writes is giving me cancer. I don't agree with you at all.


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-03 17:47:30
Zimmer's theme is no more simplistic than Horner's.


Ty Scott2014-05-03 18:09:13
Yeah, it's still a simple trumpet fanfare whether you go James Horner or Hans Zimmer. I mean I do like Horner's theme a little more, but Zimmer's is great as well. Electro's theme was actually the highlight of the score for me. Turning dubstep into a competent theme takes a little creativity, not cheapness. This album here proves he's still one of the best composers in Hollywood.

And by the by, I think we can all agree this might be the closest Edmund will be to liking an album that has Junkie XL's name on it, at least for now. lol


thejok3rrules2014-05-03 18:28:33
Listen to the score, seriously. There are some good ideas and ''ok'' developpement, but my opinion remains the same: It is just a collection of sounds put together.


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-03 18:34:50
Actually, Ty, I thought Divergent was decent...but yeah, this is probably the best score so far to have his name in the booklet somewhere. :p

Wait, hang on...didn't he do additonal music for Kingdom of Heaven? Never mind. How the heck did that happen, by the way?


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-03 18:47:09
As much as I like Horner's, Spidey 1 lacks a big highlight sequence like the Time Square / My Enemy film/score mix... This is brilliant on screen...

Ed a lot of people work on HGW's scores, and many manage to get lost in the crediting process... I don't think he did more than percussions on KOH though... lol


Ty Scott2014-05-03 18:53:13
Yeah, he goes as far back as helping out on Shark Tale with Hans when it comes to RC. I think he then had him work with Gregson-Williams for a little while cause they worked on Domino that same year.


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-03 19:00:03
No he didn't help on Shark Tale... Some of his music was used as source but he didn't work on that score... But he arranged Klaus's Catwoman... :P


Ty Scott2014-05-03 19:04:41
Ouch, big step up there for him. At least the soundtrack did good for that......thing.


thejok3rrules2014-05-03 20:11:38
''Saving New-York'' from the complete score was nothing but great.


KT Koskela2014-05-05 11:40:23
I agree. I saw this in IMAX as well (though in much better 3D than the first one as well), and DAMN! Listening to that score in IMAX was so mindblowing, especially at the Times Square sequence when we heard My Enemy.

... reply Replies: 1 || 2014-05-04 12:48:03
do you know the title of song when peter's use his earphones in the movie ?


lalit2014-05-05 09:41:08
Gone, gone, gone by phillip phillips

thejok3rrules reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-04 21:17:47
To Hybrid, and to everyone, I admitt my mistake: This score is a masterpiece, one of the most innovative Zimmer stuff since a while.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 19 || 2014-05-02 16:49:47
You guys always asking "who did what", check how the Electro theme was done :

video.vanityfair.com/watch/inside-hans-zimmers-amazing-spide r-man-2-score

:)


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-02 18:09:39
So that guitar riff is Johnny Marr, the vocals are Pharrell (and Dom Lewis), the grungier guitar stuff is Mike Einzinger and, uh, everything else is Hans? :p

Cool video. I think it's very good that a fresh director like Marc Webb can go to two almost polar opposite composers, Horner and Zimmer, and get an interesting and enjoyable score out of both of them. He clearly has very good musical instincts and appreciates what a score can do for his movies, and that's good to see. :)


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-02 18:17:42
Webb is a bassoon player, he knows his shit about music... lol


Steve2014-05-03 00:07:13
ugh... shouldve just let hans do his thing


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-03 00:10:40
Collaborating like this IS Hans' thing!


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-03 00:12:18
Well Ed a little bird told me Interstellar is gonna be quite the opposite, Hans on his own... ;)


Mike2014-05-03 00:27:54
No Lorne? O_O But Lorne did so much on Inception, I felt sure he'd work a lot on Interstellar....


Anonymous2014-05-03 00:39:24
i don't think hybrid literally means hans "on his own". i think he just means mostly hans, with the standard amount of other guys. has hans composed a movie solo since the 90s?


Anonymous2014-05-03 04:24:52
Great video, and a bit of a spoiler for this scene....always wondered what was happening in the last minute of I'm Electro. This is Hans at the helm -- great stuff. Can't wait for Interstellar! Headed to see Spidey tomorrow.


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-03 08:45:34
No Lorne...

And as much as "all is going well", no one else either... And anyway Hans has no other film planned this year...


Saurabh2014-05-03 09:04:43
video's not working. Any other link anyone?


isildur2014-05-03 11:36:13
@Saurabh,

It is working. In the link you have to remove the space between 'e' and 'r' in spider.


Dudu2014-05-03 11:45:05
Hi Hybrid I'm curious, over the past years Lorne has been helping on nearly every score (madagascar, the dark knight, rush), and then he's not on 12years a slave, not on spider man, and not on interstellar????what's going on??Is he leaving rc?


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-03 13:09:42
You know he has his own career to handle ? He's busy enough... You can't just spend your whole time helping HZ for 15 years... :)


But if help's needed, he's still around to give a hand... ;)


Dudu2014-05-03 13:38:18
Yeah I get that ;)
I like his music and I really hope he gets his breakout score(like jackman on captain america or jablonsky on transformers), it's about time :)
Back on topic the score of this spider man really fits the movie, I wasn't sure about the main theme and the electro sound(especially the voices), but it's perfect...


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-03 14:23:08
In what universe is Captain America Jackman's breakout score? Wouldn't that be X-Men? A score that, you know, is actually halfway good?


Ty Scott2014-05-03 18:13:15
Well Ed, CC did give Winter Soldier a rather generous 2/5.....


Dudu2014-05-03 19:16:56
@Edmund, you didn't get what I meant. When I said "breakout", I was talking about boxoffice numbers and/or film popularity. To say tha first class is jackman's breakout is like saying that the island is jablonsky's breakout imo. very good scores that prove they can handle big budget movies on their own, but on movies that earn below expectations or go unnoticed. zimmer had rain man, gregson-williams narnia, jablonsky transformers, djawadi I'd say clash of the titans(crap movie but it brougt some cash lol, and I don't say iron man beacause of the mess it was...), and for jackman I think winter soldier is "that" movie. you get my point?


Ty Scott2014-05-03 19:35:25
I see where he's getting at. But if I had to find a breakout for Jackman, according to what you mean Dudu, I'd say Wreck-It Ralph or Puss In Boots. Both made oodles, got Oscar noms, and Ralph was a killer seller on iTunes.


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-03 19:38:43
I guess I get it. I still think that X-Men: First Class was a big enough movie to qualify as a big break ($350 million). And if not that, then Wreck-it Ralph. Plus I really doubt Cap 2 will be fondly remembered for its music.

Ty, yeah, I know. I couldn't believe that either. For all of its weaknesses, Man of Steel's score was still much better than Cap 2. Chewing on broken glass is better than Cap 2.

Andrew reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-03 16:59:31
Here is some cool b-roll footage showing the recording of the score.

https://www. youtube .com/watch?v=-FWzfGak18s

Speedy reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-03 14:34:09
It feels like Zimmer, But can anyone please tell me what is the name of this?
I am suggesting is from 0:48-2:02
this is the trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbp3Ra3Yp74
I am just having such a hard time finding this part of the music.

NTNB reply Replies: 1 || 2014-05-03 07:44:31
I hope the recording sessions or the complete score leaks soon. So much nice music missing from this release...


Saurabh2014-05-03 13:53:50
Yeah. The slowed version of There He Is at the beginning, then the Spidey saving people scenes music is missing. There's a string version of the Spidey fanfare in an action scene towards the end.

Mike reply Replies: 4 || 2014-05-02 18:54:45
Any one find it ironic that in one of the new "Recording Session" videos for this score, Hans is wearing a shirt that says "The Dark Knight" and has a little Batman symbol on the back? :P


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-02 18:58:12
He loves that shirt, he always wears it ! :D


Mike2014-05-02 18:59:25
Wasn't he wearing a Superman shirt during one of the Man of Steel sessions? Now he needs a Spidey shirt! lol


bro2014-05-02 19:16:08
The superman shirt said "SuperHans" I think


Levi2014-05-02 19:24:30
What's next, a shirt that says "The Amazing Zimmer-Man"? :P

Man With No Name reply Replies: 42 || 2014-04-29 19:12:02
Not the best of Hans Zimmer...


Edmund Meinerts2014-04-29 22:17:05
Yeah, well, guess what. The majority of Zimmer's scores aren't his best. That honor can only ever go to one score! :p

(And that score is At World's End)


bro2014-04-30 05:39:39
Which makes sense to me because the same group that made AWE wrote Angels and Demons with Hans, which is another masterpiece on its own


Edmund Meinerts2014-04-30 10:14:43
^ Man speaks sense! :)


Ds2014-04-30 14:31:18
At World's End, still undefeated!


Mike2014-04-30 14:55:33
"^ Man speaks sense", seconded!


Hybrid Soldier2014-04-30 16:22:35
We're gonna have this debate once again, but POTC 2 defeats POTC 3 by far in almost every way... lol


thejok3rrules2014-04-30 17:46:04
Regarding your almighty opinion, of course ;)


thejok3rrules2014-04-30 17:57:53
According*

Yep, even I make mistakes.


Man With No Name2014-04-30 18:05:50
I think tha lion king is defeat every score ever!!! :)


Edmund Meinerts2014-04-30 18:16:58
Except that 2's action music repeats a lot from 1, and 3's doesn't...and 3 has that stunning love theme that 2 doesn't...and the Asian stuff...and the really good Cutler Beckett stuff...and it's better orchestrated (not that that means anything to you)...

The only thing I can think of that 2 has that 3 doesn't is the Kraken. Which is admittedly awesome.


Zimson2014-04-30 18:33:36
Edmund is right, the album release is average, the complete score is awesome. I've heard it live.


Pluto2014-04-30 18:37:31
I might be in the minority here, but I do think that "Gladiator" might be Zimmer's best score. He provides both powerful action cues as well as a beautiful, soft theme in "Earth". The vocals of Lisa are fantastic and add a great deal of depth to the music. That score has to definitely get some love guys! :D


Edmund Meinerts2014-04-30 19:34:31
Gladiator is definitely up there for me. Although it was one of my first scores and I've played it a lot, so these days I don't listen to it that much. Then again, that's also true of AWE and I never get sick of that one! :p


Hybrid Soldier2014-04-30 19:58:17
I was comparing POTC 2 & 3, not saying that these are the best HZ scores... Because they are not... :)


Mike2014-04-30 21:05:14
Instead of a debate about POTC 2 vs. POTC 3 which will not actually be agreed upon universally (even though I'm with Edmund here), I propose something which EVERYONE can agree on:

POTC 2 and 3 (and 1, for good measure) are VASTLY superior to POTC 4. xD


Brent2014-04-30 21:05:33
Gotta love these debates. Pirates 3 and Angels & Demons take the cake for me.


Zimson2014-04-30 21:06:20
Why don't we make a poll here? I'm going with Sherlock Holmes.


Hybrid Soldier2014-04-30 21:32:32
The problem is if you ask me what is Hans' best I'll end up with a list of 30 scores... :)

Objectively, the biggest of his career is Gladiator.


Ds2014-04-30 21:35:47
Hybrid, what is his very best score in your opinion?

I once read an interesting interview where Hans was telling that he really outdid himself on At World's End... because he was a little bit ashamed of some portions of Dead Man's Chest =D

For me, At World's End + "The Kraken" are among Zimmer's best works, and I know I'll never get tired of them. Never, never, never.


Ds2014-04-30 21:39:44
Yeah Gladiator is his biggest and also one of his most famous ones... But these days I don't listen a lot to it, I can't really explain why.


NM2014-04-30 21:44:46
"and it's better orchestrated" - I think that's what makes At World's End stand out for me. The really crisp, dynamic orchestration. I think POTC2 is good if you want to hear more rounded versions of POTC1 material.

"POTC 2 and 3 (and 1, for good measure) are VASTLY superior to POTC 4." - POTC4 is hideous.


Brent Ray2014-04-30 21:48:37
The only decent portions of the POTC4 score are Mermaids and Palm Tree Escape, and even those are rehashes of old material.


Hybrid Soldier2014-04-30 21:54:56
As I said I can't really answer what is very best is...

But there's one I deeply adore, which is simply a masterpiece of scene scoring (despite the film having some real WTF moments). Even Hans is proud of it :

The Fan


It's the first score with Tillman's cello and it's like, when you listen to it all, the DNA origin of half of his scores in the 5 years after that... :)


Ds2014-04-30 22:16:23
Thanks for the advice Hybrid, it's one of the few I don't know. It's a Tony Scott movie, cannot be that bad. Plus, it's got 1/5 on filmtracks: it should be good.


Hybrid Soldier2014-04-30 22:18:47
Well Filmtracks only reviewed the poor OST suite (which BARELY contains the crazy piano Gil theme which is all around the score) and a crappy bootleg...

With only the OST suite I wouldn't rate the score very high either... But as usual Hans puts all the good stuff aside...


Edmund Meinerts2014-04-30 23:48:29
Has there ever been a decent leak for The Fan? I've only ever heard the OST and I'd probably rank it in my bottom 5 Zimmers. :p


Zimson2014-05-01 00:00:10
Gladiator is probably the youngest classic in film music history. The score has its ups and downs, but the theme from Barbarian Horde and the one from Honor Him are truly on a Beethoven level. Objectively, this is his best score and he arranged almost all by himself. if you look up his profile on IMDB, it says that he is known for POTC 1, The Lion King, The Dark Knight and Inception. These are most likely part of his top five scores, although he is uncredited for POTC 1.

I would choose this as an appropriate order:

1. Gladiator
2. The Lion King
3. Curse of the Black Pearl
4. Inception
5. The Dark Knight

Personally, my top five of favorite soundtracks with his name on it (apparently not scores) looks like this:

1. Sherlock Holmes
2. Kung Fu Panda 2
3. At World's End
4. The Dark Knight Rises
5. Inception


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-01 00:08:20
Ed check the track I put on his player here...


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-01 00:15:06
"Objectively, this is his best score?" Sorry, there's no such thing.


Zimson2014-05-01 00:22:52
@Ed Sure, there is for example popularity, critical reception, ratings and many other things that are considered to be objective.


Hybrid Soldier2014-05-01 09:07:35
I agree with you Ed, about objectivity... I don't believe in that either...

But we have to admit, on Zimson's criteria, that Gladiator is up above everything else. Of course At World's End got the same kind of high praise, but what failed to make it at the level of Gladiator is the film itself. Gladiator is a cult classic, while most people thought POTC 3 was a huge mess haha...


trent easton navarro2014-05-01 10:11:40
I love The Fan as well, really hope La La Land or Intrada will release a complete score.

When I first heard it, I was at the height of my Hans fandom, as well as my NIN fandom. For me the score was a perfect blend of both styles.


Ds2014-05-01 11:06:28
Hybrid you're right. The reason Hans is known for Gladiator, Pirates 1, Inception or The Dark Knight (according to imdb) is only because these movie are popular. That's it.

If you ask me I'll tell you that the best Pirates movie is the 3rd one... and I think its soundtrack's got a lot to do with this appreciation. Also, Verbinski's direction was confident, daring, bold, that's what made At World's End feel different than a "simple, funny pirates movie". And I guess that's why fans of the 1st one were a bit upset.


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-01 11:40:31
Zimson, all you're "proving" is that it's his most popular score. The fact that something is popular or well-rated or well-received does not mean that it's the best; witness One Direction. Popularity might be objective, but quality is not.

How many people, even Zimmer fans, have heard something like A League of Their Own? That's one of my absolute favorites of his. Does the fact that it's obscure make it bad? Of course not!


Marco2014-05-01 12:25:20
If zimmer had to chose himself I'd say he would probably pick 'the thin red line'


Zimson2014-05-01 14:28:26
@Ed I agree that popularity isn't an indicator for the quality of the music alone, since there are many factors which made One Direction popular. However, objectivity as I understand it, concerns any opinion that derives from the "outside world", usually opinions a broad amount of people agree on. I put Gladiator on the first place because I made the experience online, that most people seem to agree on this score being his best work.


Edmund Meinerts2014-05-01 15:04:38
But that's not what "objectively" means. For something to be objective, it has to be empirically proveable. What you're talking about - a broad number of people agreeing on something - is consensus. And quality of music simply can't be proven - sure, you can talk about how complex it is or how well-structured or how many themes there are or how original it is or even how many units it sells, but in the end, how "good" music is will ALWAYS come down to personal opinion.


Zimson2014-05-01 15:35:03
@Ed You're talking about the scientific objectivism, but there are different means of objectivity, for example in journalism linguistics, etc.
Let me explain what I mean: You, the subject, are looking at a three-dimensional body, the object, of your size. From your point of view the body has four corners with equally long side lengths, therefore you identify it as a cube. Another person looks at it from the back and identifies it as a sphere because it is round and has no corners on that side.
Now, the point is, if 10 people look at the body from the back and only you look at it from the front the body will be considered as a sphere by the majority of people (although it is both sphere and cube).

This is how I define objectivity/subjectivity:
Objectivity: How others perceive sth./sb.
Subjectivity: How one person perceives sth./sb.

E.g.: Clemmensen's reviews are subjective while all critics together are objective.


Ds2014-05-01 18:00:37
Zimson, so one person's opinion is not objective, but if you put 1000 subjective opinions together, they suddenly become objective? By no means it will become objective. It provides you a general trend, but nothing more.

The online popularity of Gladiator's score is highly dependent on the fact that Gladiator, as a whole, is a hugely popular movie that many have seen. Since it has also memorable music, the amount of people liking its soundtrack and saying "this is the best from Hans Zimmer" will obviously be important. Does it make it the best soundtrack by HZ?



Mike2014-05-01 18:59:36
Kudos, Ds.


RealFfingMusic2014-05-02 05:37:20
Zimmer's been making top-of-the-class scores for more than 20 years. We should say best for each type of film.

One can put:-
Action/Crime : The Dark Knight Rises
Adventure/Comedy : POTC: At World's End
Animation : The Lion King
And so on.

As for an absolute best one, no single score will even secure majority.


NM2014-05-02 13:57:42
"How many people, even Zimmer fans, have heard something like A League of Their Own?"

A League of Their Own is a really enjoyable score. Completely different to anything I've heard him do since.

Russel reply Replies: 0 || 2014-05-01 01:11:33
Everyone's seen this right? :)

h t t p s ://movies.yahoo.com/movie/the-amazing-spiderman-2/

Anonymous reply Replies: 6 || 2014-04-29 05:05:21
What did Pharrell do on this score? I mean obviously junkie xl provided beats and Johnny marr guitar, but the rest sounds like Zimmer to me...


Steve2014-04-29 10:27:10
I'm guessing he did the whispering since "he hates on me" is urban slang and I don't picture Zimmer ever saying those words


RealFfingMusic2014-04-29 16:00:44
That's racist.

A grammatical error and you assume it was done by the dark person.


Anonymous2014-04-29 16:17:40
Everything is racist in today's world isn't it.....


Steve2014-04-29 21:53:42
Wow, no one here said "it was done by the dark person" LOL
I said it was 'urban slang' because, well, IT IS! Look it up on Urban Dictionary .com and you'll find it. I've never heard an educated scholar utter the words "he/she is hating on me"


Edmund Meinerts2014-04-29 22:18:12
I'm not even that sure the lyrics are "he hates on me". To me it sounds more like "hates-a", as in they just had to slip in an extra little syllable to match the rhythm (and not as in sounding Italian).


Steve2014-04-29 22:34:22
HAHAHA now I'll never not hear Mario's voice!

"That-a Spider-Man, he hates-a me!"

jewen07 reply Replies: 1 || 2014-04-29 01:28:48
SORRY FOR SPOILERS

Once again I watch the movie, and I have more clear the correct music order. YES, You can trust in me ;)

01.There He Is (More dramatic music variation in film)
02.Im Spider-Man
03.Cold War
04.Ground Rules (Some variations in the first 30min)
05.Look At Me
06.Harry's Suite(SmallCut use to introduce Harry and Norman)
07.You Need Me
08.I Chose You
09.So Much Anger
10.My Enemy
11.You're my Boy
12.I'm Moving To England
13.Special Project
14.I Need To Know
15.Sum Total
16.We're Best Friends
17.Still Crazy
18.Im Goblin
19.Let Her Go
20.Rest Of My Life
21.You're That Spider Guy

The tracks I'm Electro or Electro Suite, really doesnt have place in film, only variations of this. But I'm Electro could be a great opening credits music, but you know, doesn't exist opening credits scene in this movie.
HOPE YOU ENJOY....While, Waiting For Complete Score.
Regards...


jewen072014-04-29 01:33:35
Excuse me:

No Place Like Home, is the fourth track.

01.There He Is (More dramatic music variation in film)
02.Im Spider-Man
03.Cold War
04.No Place Like Home
05.Ground Rules (Some variations in the first 30min)
06.Look At Me
07.Harry's Suite(SmallCut use to introduce Harry and Norman)
08.You Need Me
09.I Chose You
10.So Much Anger
11.My Enemy
12.You're my Boy
13.I'm Moving To England
14.Special Project
15.I Need To Know
16.Sum Total
17.We're Best Friends
18.Still Crazy
19.Im Goblin
20.Let Her Go
21.Rest Of My Life
22.You're That Spider Guy

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