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The Nils Frahm track was released years agoNo one is mentioning "Says" from Nils Frahm. What a masterpiece of music. Love how it develops and getting so emotional even with that futuristic sound-effect. One of the highlights of this score, with those tracks Cerbei mentioned.Balfe is a great arranger but an even better composer.Beyond Two Souls is still one of the best game soundtracks.<br><br>I must have watched another movie in regards to Balfe filling in the gaps - that makes no sense?The soundtrack released seems not to relate to what was actually used in the film.Balfe “gap” music is featured much more and works brilliantly<br>Last night I was talking to Lorne, and he told me that in principle there is intention to release the full score.
I'd be very interested to hear the supposed Balfe complete score to picture where he apparently sought to elevate it, as someone here put it. The Richter is pitch-perfect and works massively well to picture and, not dissing Balfe at all, his stuff is literally 'additional music' to fill the gaps.Aplusle, that's really well put actually.Don't feel bad. You've just summed up why Hans and Lorne make a good team. Lorne is by all accounts a fantastic arranger and can bring out the best in others' ideas but I sometimes find his own compositions are a bit basic or leave me cold. Hans on the other hand always nails the theme and the concept but his scoring to picture to me feels clunky and a bit amateurish, especially when the music is dense. <br><br>Both super talented in their own ways. :-)Is there anyway o get sheet music for Into the pie machine for orchestra?Just saw Maleficent 2. There is a lot more Newton Howard in the movoe than there is on album.<br>I actually can't really understand why they didn't include the reprise of The Christening (the dinner scene) & the finale in the movie.<br><br>Zanelli's score is wonderful and I love it very much. But would have loved this on album
I can't imagine how someone likes Balfe's part over Richters. As you said Thomas, Richters work sounds more like suites, and Balfes work is written more to picture. BUT, it sounds to me also like a typical RCP-work with Hans. While Hans gives the direction with his suites and melodies, Balfe and co are adapting those suites to the specific scenes and writing some "new" stuff to fill any gap if there is any need of it, so they become additional composers in the credits.<br><br>And here, we have the same. Richter shows the direction and some cues are real intense and beautiful. Balfes parts sounding like a gap-filler. I don't want to talk bad about Balfe, he's a composing machine, but still i can't find anything remarkable on those parts and so i can't understand how Richters work hasn't been used but instead the more colorless cues from Balfes part :/<br><br>Again, don't feel insulted guys, it's just my sensationBalfe’s part is the best I think.<br>It also seems written to picture instead of just long suites.<br>My understanding is the Balfe wrote half of the score but the album doesn’t seem to represent that for some reason.I really liked Richter’s score over balfesI listened Max Richter for years. He is the kind of select or minority composer who does his solo works and soundtrack for movies not so famous. <br>His solo works are really really good with quintet and piano and voice. "on the nature of daylight" is definitely the best. <br>His sountrack is not good as his solo, to be honest. I think "the Leftovers" (2014-2017, HBO series), "Miss Slaone" (2016) and "Mary Queen of Scots" (2019) are cool.<br>If you need some peaceful music for meditation or good sleep, listen to his work.Richter did his recording in january and june 2019. The Director himself is a fan of Richter, so the deadline and director are not the reason.<br>It seemed that producers were not satisfied with Richter's music and they wanted something new, that's why they got Lorne. It turned out Lorne brought a very limited new...
@Cercei<br>Hybrid can definitely answer that best. Richter’s score is used (alongside Balfe’s material) as well as some source pieces. If I remember correctly it’s a mish-mash of the two.I do know that piece, it’s very pretty. I’ll check out his other works, thanks for the recommendation. In terms of minimalism I really am into Brian Eno at the moment. His “Music For Airports” and “The Lovely Bones” are excellent if you like more introspective music.btw, you're saying Lorne recomposed and reworked the entire score. as i haven't seen the movie yet, did the producers end up with not using richters score for it at all and just used the score from Lorne?thanks for your information. but i actually don't understand why they have done that. i've heard now Lornes cues and Richters cues. all those cues from Lorne, they sound very similiar to that what Richter composed, but somehow with less melodies. And you really have to work hard to not use fewer melodies then Richter, as he's a minimalist at its best ^^ with that being said, i can't hear any groundbreaking differences from Lornes part, so what was their idea on hiring it and getting the same style of music, but in a more "light" version? :/i really admire Max Richters work, he isn't that new in this scene. his style is that repeating minimalism. maybe you've heard once the cue "on the nature of daylight" which was used a lot by many other movies. his last score which knocked me out was "Hostiles". such an emotional and intense score, you need to hear that, and probably see the movie as well (with Christian Bale). <br><br>
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Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 2 || 2014-03-08 19:52:32
I added all the credits of the songs HZ & co worked on... :)


theeaglesfan0052014-03-09 02:36:40
Do you happen to have the credits for all the songs? :D


Hybrid Soldier2014-03-09 08:17:47
Yes but the rest of the album has nothing to do with RCP, and it would be a pain to type all LOL...

trent easton ellis reply Replies: 13 || 2014-03-07 11:52:54
As much as I enjoy discussing the female body, let's talk music. Anybody already heard this?


MacArthur2014-03-07 16:42:03
Not heard this but I am curious to see how much Pharrell does in Spider-man 2


RealFfingMusic2014-03-07 17:39:56
"They" get special attention only from people like you, who are ashamed of their own bodies.

And it's not their self-esteem that's wrong, it's your perspective.

BTW, can you kindly explain how is this self-centered?


RealFfingMusic2014-03-07 17:41:44
Sorry, this is for MacArthur the 400-year-old Virgin.


RealFfingMusic2014-03-07 18:02:20
Wikipedia said that Johnny Marr, Michael Einziger and David A. Stewart are working with Williams and Hans.


MacArthur2014-03-07 23:02:37
And Obviously you. or you wouldn't be arguing with me. Obviously you can't control yourself from looking at it I've tried to Identify and not watch films with that stuff. Now sometimes when you buy 4pack dvd's for two you want that can't really be helped. but as much as I can, I try to avoid it.

What's the saying don't argue with idiots.


Edmund Meinerts2014-03-07 23:10:25
Sage advice, MacArthur. Remind me never to argue with you again.


Lambegue2014-03-07 23:32:48
Thanks for this, Edmund ! I had a good laugh.


Areozz2014-03-08 00:01:12
OH BUUUUUURN!!!


MacArthur2014-03-08 00:27:12
My point exactly.


trent easton navarro2014-03-08 09:38:11
So much for discussing the music :(


MacArthur2014-03-08 15:34:48
I want to. they keep bringing it up. Even after I said I was done. with the conversation.

Let's talk about music.

I hope Pharrell does not do more than 1 or 2 tracks on the albumm release of ASM2.


trent easton navarro2014-03-08 15:42:27
Gave this a listen on Spotify today. It's actually quite ok. Can't really hear any Zimmer influence though...

As for Spidey, it's an eclectic group of musicians that's working on it. Have huge respect for Marr and Dave Stewart (although the latter hasn't been mentioned anymore in the last couple of updates.


MacArthur2014-03-08 15:50:33
That's Cool.

MacArthur reply Replies: 65 || 2014-02-24 21:37:06
Don't Like this guy at all. Is this another where he dances with naked girls.


isildur2014-02-25 07:31:18
LOL! You Rock MacArthur :D


MacArthur2014-02-25 16:45:31
Thank you. At least I know someone agree's with me :D


0-cool2014-02-25 21:03:18
what's wrong with naked girls?

also here's a glimpse of the string arrangement

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fT_GlomuXw


MacArthur2014-02-25 22:06:38
I agree it might be fun to look at. but is it honoring to them as a person?


Edmund Meinerts2014-02-25 23:04:33
Nobody's forcing them to do it.


MacArthur2014-02-26 02:34:44
I know. that's low self esteem on their part. Still it's not the best thing for us. It's all about honor.


WTF2014-02-26 14:20:00
WTF MacArthur


MacArthur2014-02-26 15:53:45
We Should not treat women like they are pieces of meat. but as people That's what I mean.


0-cool2014-02-26 16:36:10
it's god's fault


isildur2014-02-26 16:39:21
ROFL.


SanAntonioSpurs2014-02-26 20:39:58
Because I'm HAPPY... :)


MacArthur2014-02-26 22:14:12
what are you talking about. and it's not God's fault


trent easton navarro2014-02-27 20:31:40
You are just jealous naked girls don't wanna dance with you, MacArthur :P


MacArthur2014-02-28 06:29:58
Actually no I think that's sick.


Areozz2014-02-28 13:40:58
Well, now we know that MacArthur is a time traveler from the 1800s.


MacArthur2014-02-28 16:26:29
What Morals are only relevant in the 1800's?


trent easton navarro2014-02-28 17:46:51
nothing sick about a naked body, dancing or otherwise


Edmund Meinerts2014-02-28 18:59:40
The 1800s gave us morals that said that for girls to show their ankles was considered shocking or that being gay was a degenerate disease...yeah, society has done well to move on from that, I'd say.


MacArthur2014-02-28 19:19:42
Yeah, and look where we are today more rapes than ever before. more violence. Drug abuse is higher than before. And people like Pharrell aren't helping any.

and yes trent nothing wrong with dancing...with your clothes on. They have strip clubs for a reason and it is illegal for a reason.


trent easton navarro2014-02-28 19:51:49
I'm sorry but those things have nothing do with girls dancing naked in a videoclip. Just as films and games don't lead to violence in society.



MacArthur2014-02-28 21:21:29
Why do you think that the video was so controversial. because leading artist were in it it's porn.


Edmund Meinerts2014-02-28 21:24:55
I'd like to see a source for your "more rapes and drug abuse" stat there, Mac. First of all, things like that probably weren't documented as well back then. Plus, there's a whole lot more people on earth now. The number might have increased but the proportion probably hasn't. And I can assure you that nothing Pharrell does or doesn't do (other than commit the deed himself) has anything to do with rape trends whatsoever.


trent easton navarro2014-02-28 21:48:37
The video was certainly not porn, nor were the dancers (at least as far as I know) The video was controversial cause people in the States still get upset when you show some skin. People don't care about violent films, but show boobies and there's panic everywhere! There is nothing wrong with the naked body, nor showing it


MacArthur2014-03-01 02:46:07
Ed I believe A few years back Stand to reason had a stat on it as well as world Magazine. and I don't believe it had to do with the amount of people. Back then people had a better sense of morals. My folks and a lot of other people who grew up 50-60 years ago say that the stuff going on today just didn't happen back then.

If that helps.

Trent, the Idea is that it's for marriage. It's for a husband and wife. and if not. at least it should be a private thing. whether with a girl friend, wife, what have you. it's should be something where you show honor for the person.


Ds2014-03-01 15:33:15
Trent, i would not compare violence and nudity. Violence is fake, simulated. An actor is PLAYING the role of someone killing people. Nudity however is real. When an actor get fully naked, you're not seeing a character naked, you're seeing the actor. It's not a performance, it doesn't require any talent. I think MacArthur's point is to ask that simple question: is it really respectful or humanist to hire an actress for the sole and only purpose of showing her titties to the whole world? If Pharell doesn't see any problem in that, good for him. But then I wonder why he's not showing his own private parts in that video. Does he have a special sense of morality that only applies to him?

I'm not judging anybody, just asking a question. If you, personnally, doesn't see any problem in nudity, how would you react if your sister/daughter/mother/wife was a porn star and every person on earth could watch her naked? I would not like it, and that's why I don't think it's a job that valorize girls as human beings. But again it's just my humble opinion.


MacArthur2014-03-01 16:38:08
Thank you. Ds, that was one of the point's I was trying to make. There was a reason Hollywood used to make actors and actresses wear clothing or underwear in scenes that suggested that.


Edmund Meinerts2014-03-01 17:13:58
Once again, if the girls enjoy or don't mind what they're doing and know full well what they're getting themselves into from the start, I fail to see what the problem is. Nobody's being forced to strip or anything. And nobody's being forced to watch it either.


trent easton navarro2014-03-01 19:24:54
There is a huge difference between being naked in a film and videoclip and starring a pornfilm. If you can't see that, there is no point in having this discussion.

But if one of my loved ones was a model or actress and had to be naked for a part it wouldn't bother me, it's part of the job. I also think posing nude (be it male or female) can be a great way to honor the human body.


Ds2014-03-02 03:03:10
Trent, ok, replace "porn star" by "stripper" in my post. This is just a detail.

But what you say is "if one of my loved ones HAD TO get naked"... what the hell does this mean? What job are you talking about? Are some people forced to be naked? Do they even have the choice? Or do they get fired for not wanting to be naked? I really don't think that is a humanist point of view.

Btw, this is funny how MacArthur has started a big debate on here, which has nothing to do with film music nor Hans Zimmer, but is still interesting and picked the interest of some of the biggest posters of this board!


a hole2014-03-02 05:22:35
*piqued the interest.

Also: god damn this is hilarious. Thank God or some other deity or maybe no deity at all for aiding in the invention of the internet so that a bunch of nobodies can force their opinions and beliefs on others and treat them as facts concerning what we, as a--no, THE--human race, are and are not allowed to do with our bodies. gods damn!


MacArthur2014-03-02 05:27:40
The actor's can choose not to be Nude. Jessica Alba doesn't do nude scenes she has come out and said that her body is for only her. Not for some guy to go drooling over. which all guys do if they are natural.

Ed you are right. nobody has to watch it but why do it in the first place then? If it causes offense to others, then don't you think it would be wise just not to do it at all.


Trent, it may not bother you but the thing is it does bother a lot of other people. The thing to do is think of others, and not do it. It's honoring their bodies as well as helping those who struggle with it not to worry about it as much. and I suppose someone can pose nude, but what is the purpose of it. (TO GET SOMEONE TO LOOK AT IT.) just don't do it honor yourself by not making men, or women, lust after you honor their morals as well as holding self esteem for yourself.


trent easton navarro2014-03-02 10:14:27
So Meryl Streep is a stripper and a pornstar? As are Helen Mirren, Kate Winslet, Angelina Jolie and Charlize Theron?

And don't twist my words, Ds. You know perfectly well what I meant. When you are an actor you have to expose yourself. Mentally, emotionally and sometimes also physically.

There is a scene in Schindler's List where a group of women are in Auschwitz. If you've seen the film, you know what scene I'm talking about. Do you think that scene would have had the same impact if the actresses were in their bra and panties? Same with the nude scenes in 12 Years a Slave.


Lambegue2014-03-02 11:06:33
There is maybe a difference to make about the context : showing nude only to attract male public is...Well I won't say really unrespectful toward the girls, it's just a bit low. Comparing it to porn is excessive, but I can get the point, the idea is quite the same basically, that is to say stimulate a sexual desire...I'm not sure it's of great interest in the majority of the musical clips that do it, and I don't think there is any artistic background behind this (or any desire to valorise the human body...). It doesn't deserve the disgust that MacArthur seems to show it, in my opinion, but it's just not interesting at all, and even possibly lowering toward the music of the clip (as if they considered that the music wasn't good enough in itself to keep the attention of people).
But yes, I agree with Trent, nude is not a disgusting or immoral thing in itself. It can be beautiful, artistic, or aesthetic. Or justified in its context (as in Shindler's list, for example). An actress or a model showing nude is not necessarly a porn star or a stripper, and there is nothing to be ashamed of...


trent easton navarro2014-03-02 11:19:57
@Lambegue thank you, could not have said it better.

"If it causes offense to others, then don't you think it would be wise just not to do it at all."

Zimmer's music apparently also causes offense to some people. Should he stop making music, MacArthur?


Ds2014-03-02 13:33:34
I think Lambegue summed up the topic quite well. Thank you.


RealFfingMusic2014-03-02 15:10:28
Personally, I think if the scene requires the shot, it has to be shot.


MacArthur2014-03-02 17:25:38
Trent, you're missing the the point Zimmer's music is not morally wrong. Though I do see what you are saying about Schindler's List. but even with that was it necessary. There was another film like Schindler's list called the Hiding place Their was suggestive nudity but none was shown. Now that is artistic. showing something without showing something. That is what 'art' is all about.


Edmund Meinerts2014-03-02 17:44:59
There's nothing "morally wrong" about naked bodies, MacArthur. That kind of thinking is much more damaging and harmful than the stuff you're complaining about, because it makes people feel ashamed of their own bodies and who they are. People should feel proud of themselves, not ashamed.

Once again - because you STILL haven't addressed this - if people want to show off their bodies, are perfectly fine with doing that, don't find it embarrassing or shameful, then you have no right to tell them not to. Nobody is being forced to watch it, nobody is being forced to strip, and nobody is being forced to do anything against their will. You think you have the moral high ground but instead you come across as a cranky old man.


trent easton navarro2014-03-02 20:42:29
Different example then. Brett Easton Ellis is considered one of the best writers of his generation but some consider his work morally offensive. Should we ban all his books because of that? Oliver Stone and Paul Verhoeven made controversial yet classic films. Should we ban those as well because some find them offensive?

And like Edmund said, there is nothing morally wrong about nudity. Some of the greatest pieces of art contain nudity. Should those be destroyed?


MacArthur2014-03-02 23:40:52
There is a difference between a painting and a Human. I know it causes people...at times to stumble and I think the right thing to do is to just do your best not to show it. if somebody does it I can't stop them. It's just not the best thing for us. And with that logic why shouldn't I or someone else if we feel like it just walk the streets nude. I feel like and there is nothing wrong with it.


a hole2014-03-03 02:01:00
God damn, you're a lunatic!


MacArthur2014-03-03 04:54:49
Why...Because I have a moral conviction. people are lunatics if they don't have Morals.

I'm done with this now. Lust is wrong. end of story.


RealFfingMusic2014-03-03 07:33:29
Give it a rest Mac!!! You sound like a 70-year old medieval priest!

"If people want to show off their bodies, are perfectly fine with doing that, don't find it embarrassing or shameful, then you have no right to tell them not to. Nobody is being forced to watch it, nobody is being forced to strip, and nobody is being forced to do anything against their will" - Well said Ed.


Edmund Meinerts2014-03-03 10:02:34
Lust is not WRONG, it is one of the most fundamental and natural functions of the human body. What's wrong is suppressing it in the unnatural fashion that you're suggesting. Rape and assault are usually the result of sexual repression, not expression. You're part of the problem


Lambegue2014-03-03 11:48:33
MacArthur, and what if someone that you consider as having a legitimate moral authority says one day that Zimmer's music is immoral, because it stimulates violent instincts ? I agree that it would be absolutely stupid, but no more than saying that nude stimulates rape. You say you have stats about what you say : even if it is true that sexual violence is more intense nowadays that fifty years ago (and I really doubt it, I rather agree with what Edmund said about a lack of documentation on the subject in the past), what proves you that there is really a link ? To make a comparison, is "The Dark Knight Rises" an immoral movie because of the Aurora killing ? (sorry if this last example offends some of you, I was searching for a striking image...)

" And with that logic why shouldn't I or someone else if we feel like it just walk the streets nude. I feel like and there is nothing wrong with it."
Because there is a difference between art (or entertainment) and reality. That's also why animals don't talk like in "The Lion King", you know.

And one more thing : if you feel excited, or encouraged to lust by watching the naked bodies of "Shindler's list", there's something very wrong. And not with the movie...


isildur2014-03-03 11:55:51
As much as I agree with you Edmund on the issue, in most cases rape is nothing about sexual repression. For most of the rapists it is like ultimate form of domination and enforcing their superiority.


Edmund Meinerts2014-03-03 13:06:59
That's true. I guess I should have said it's MORE due to repression than expression. My point stands, though.


MacArthur2014-03-03 16:03:32
I never said their was anything wrong with Schindler's list I said was it necessary. There is a reason films are rated R, and they are not open for everyone.


With your logic it should be ok for our kids to go watch "american pie" There's Nudity in that. "It's there job to pose nude". "They might be celebrating the human body". Ok There's nothing wrong with that. right there just doing there jobs celebrating the human body through a comedy. Lets everyone watch it cause there is nothing wrong with that.


trent easton navarro2014-03-03 18:35:43
actually, there is indeed nothing wrong with American Pie. The nudity in that one isn't shocking or anything. Your uptight additude is probably more damaging than a seeing a pair of breasts in a teen comedy. Placing such a taboo on nudity and/or sex isn't healthy. Most girls (and to a lesser extent boys) that end up in a seedy stripclub or cheap porn flick, probably had such an upbringing


MacArthur2014-03-03 21:53:00
It's still wrong. To me. And A lot of other people.

I'm done commenting on this now.


Spence2014-03-03 21:58:56
After the whole battle featured above, I'm 99.5765321% sure is very serious about everything he says and is not, as the kids are calling it, "a troll."

Pity.


Spence2014-03-03 22:00:19
whoops, typo.
"... sure *MacArthur* is very serious..."


trent easton navarro2014-03-03 22:03:05
Now here's hoping Zimmer ends up scoring 50 Shades of Grey ;)


Edmund Meinerts2014-03-03 22:06:15
Trent, actually, last I heard, Danny Elfman is slated to score that. Should be...interesting... :p


trent easton navarro2014-03-03 22:23:10
Ha, really? Well, at least one reason to look forward to that film :p
If it's on par with Goldsmith's Basic Instinct and Doyle's Killing me Softly I won't complain


Lambegue2014-03-03 22:35:21
Actually Zimmer has already with Stanley Myers scored "Histoire d'O châpitre 2", a french erotic movie.


MacArthur2014-03-04 15:35:43
He only did one song. film scoring is different than my point. (And don't comment on the Film thing again I'm done with it.)


RealFfingMusic2014-03-06 13:55:01
MacArthur, you created one of the biggest threads in HZ.com . . . by talking about portrayal of nudity.

No Comment;)


RealFfingMusic2014-03-06 14:00:30
Nothing sexual was shown directly in 12 Years or Schindler's List, but those shots were necessary to express the film.

But as Edmund said above, no one's forcing you to watch anything. You just have a distorted view of women.


RealFfingMusic2014-03-06 14:01:30
distorted view of looking at womankind.

Sorry.


MacArthur2014-03-06 16:29:02
Are you sure it's me and not you...I don't treat them as pieces of meat.


RealFfingMusic2014-03-07 08:04:21
No one is treating anybody as "pieces of meat". Please don't bend what I said.

What I meant was that the human body is not something to be ashamed of. Both men and women.


Edmund Meinerts2014-03-07 11:02:35
What's more disrespectful to the human body? Showing it off, or treating it like something disgusting and hiding it and making people feel ashamed of themselves?


MacArthur2014-03-07 16:41:15
I never said their was nothing wrong with the human body. But there is a lack of self esteem, and it indicates a form of self-centeredness. To show off naked. They are trying to get attention. I'm saying if you are that self centered. or need that attention in that way...I'd rather not.

Now to music.


RealFfingMusic2014-03-07 17:42:45
RealFfingMusic 2014-03-07 17:39:56
"They" get special attention only from people like you, who are ashamed of their own bodies.

And it's not their self-esteem that's wrong, it's your perspective.

BTW, can you kindly explain how is this self-centered?

Please don't get pissed about the 400-thing :)

Totally Chill Guy reply Replies: 2 || 2014-03-01 07:09:35
Think I made a wrong turn somewhere and ended up on the Youtube comment section.


Areozz2014-03-01 14:51:28
Nope. You've just entered 'The MacArthur Zone'!


RealFfingMusic2014-03-02 06:25:03
Heh heh!

You start talking about naked women, and BOOM! Replies never stop.

Grow up, boys!!!

Ds reply Replies: 2 || 2014-02-24 22:46:41
Lol, we know there's something really wrong when we see a new Pharell Williams album here on H-Z.com :D


Hybrid Soldier2014-02-24 22:49:07
Go to HZ's early 1980s album participation to find even scarier things ! ;)


Lambegue2014-02-25 09:42:00
Polnareff's "Bulles" will always live in my nightmares...
I'm not a huge fan of Pharrel Williams myself. Hybrid Soldier, is Zimmer work on this album a way to thank Pharrel Williams for Spiderman ?

DaPk reply Replies: 0 || 2014-02-25 02:31:37
So Hans found a new buddy, huh?

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