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Hybrid, did you ever ask Hans why this score wasn't released?After watching the movie, I just have to say it was okay. It had some great moments but for me it had also many problems. And one of them was the music. For most of the part it wasn't even noticeable and when it was, it was like random background music with no really emotion or heart.<br><br>BvS and MoS movies can be criticized for some things but the score is not one of them. The movie gave the movie a strong and powerful side, as well as a heart and emotion into it. In this movie there were so many moments that needed different score. <br>***SPOILERS***<br>Superman's resurrection needed the MoS in full epic form. Wonder Woman at the bank at the beggining needed her theme with the electric cello in full power.<br>The Batman theme at the beginning when he is after that Parademon.<br>We should have a really memorable theme for the whole Justice League as well as for each individual member.<br>The scenes with Clark and Lois at the house in Kansas and when his mother sees him, this needed the piano theme from This Is Clark kent or something like that.<br>And that final moments with Superman opening his shirt showing the Superman logo and then flying to the sky, we needed something like "What Are You Going To Do When You're Not Saving The World?" or "Flight" and not that unmemorable music we got.<br><br>I really hope that the petition of the Extended Cut of the movie made by Zack with Junkie's music gets to be released someday, but for now, I'm disappointed.Sounds fun!!<br>Thanks for the linkAny ideas on the Chronological Order of the Tracks?<br>I made a start here...<br><br><br>Logos<br>Batman On The Roof<br>Everybody Knows - Titles<br>Wonder Woman Rescue<br><br>...<br>Icky Thump<br>Aquaman In Atlantis<br>...<br>1m1a Krypton (from Man Of Steel)<br>Spark Of The Flash<br>Friends And Foes<br>...<br>Come Together - Credits<br>Anti-Hero Theme - CreditsNo, they are the full score cues- as presented in the film. The presentation of the final three tracks on the first disc are edited down for timing.
* I posted this at filmtracks and wanted to share it here as well. <br><br>Danny Elfman's comments are very disrespectful and so disappointing for a creative person to hear, especially for composers. Nostalgia is a big problem with Hollywood and it's a simple Jedi mind trick. It's slightly different, but the same meal over and over with different seasoning. Imagine if James Horner didn't get to write the score he wanted for Spider-Man? Or Zimmer had to use Elfmans Batman theme for the DK triliolgy or BvS? Or Shirley Walkers incredible Batman theme for Batman: Mask of the Phantasm. Or Giacchino just used the original star trek theme, or the original Star Wars themes for Rogue One and created nothing new at all? How boring and uninspiring for the composers not being able to challenge themselves to create new original music.<br><br>Whether you like these scores or not isn't important, the pursuit to create something new is what drives a creative person and gives us freedom in choosing something to enjoy and not enjoy. I love the original Batman theme by Elfman but I love it in the Burton films. I love Zimmer scores for both the DK trilogy and BvS. I am happy I can enjoy both types of scores and films but there are those who don't and that's a great thing because that means we are not all the same and that brings variety of opinion and taste which creates real conversation and most importantly gives an identity to a project.<br><br>It's easy to go back to original ideas, but I respect the creators who actually take the risk and want to try and do something new. If Danny Elfman stands by his words he should have just used the original Batman theme from the Tv Show and film or the original Spider-Man theme. Oops he didn't and we got a whole new Batman theme and Spider-man theme which most of us love. Thank god he didn't stick to using the original themes. The Batman reboots and superman and Spider-man reboots are completely different takes on the characters and that's why they deserve their own new themes and soundscapes. The only time I think an original theme from a film should be used in a new film with the same characters is if it's actually a sequel or prequel connected to that actual original film. Re-boots should always have new original music.<br><br>In the end the comments from Elfman are simply stupid and uninspiring and it's definitely a hidden ego coming through I never new he had which is a shame. I remember what Zimmer said about Danny Elfman's Batman theme being a bit jolly, but that's not attacking Elfman at all, it's how he felt and heard the music and felt that that style wouldn't fit in the new batman films ect.. I have always found the original Batman theme a bit on the jolly side too and I love it because it nails Burton's take on the character and world. That theme is for Keaton's Batman, no one else's.<br><br>One final point, if we keep wanting to just revisit the past and hear and see the same thing over and over and not be challenged with new ideas, what a damn uninspiring and boring world of creativity we will live in.<br><br>All the best to you all!<br><br>so...based on what junkie says here, Elfman is basically just rehashing old shit, as well as other people's old shit....Unless you want to say he's taking his Batman theme into a whole different direction that he didn't really have a desire to do before...until now....<br><br>In that case, "whatever" is all I have to say.Nice stuff! I still can't believe this score hasn't gotten a release.That's unfortunate. With this score, I think it's obvious that the majority is Jablonsky, as it has a ton of elements from scores he's composed exclusively, but it would still be nice to know who did what, especially with the first and second films. Not sure why there's rarely any proper additional music credits for a lot of the RCP guys, especially considering Zimmer's credits are almost always complete. <br><br>However that cuesheet of the extended score is very interesting. Hopefully if it leaks, all those cues remain there.Damn that sounds different from Elfman's comments
The funny thing is an interview he gave 1 months before being replaced... Saying pretty much the opposite of Elfman !<br><br>"It’s a massive undertaking. And I can’t say anything about Justice League specifically, but I’ll tell you this, and this was exactly the same experience that Hans and I had when we did work together on Man of Steel and Batman v Superman: It’s like when you see a movie like that, these iconic superhero movies, some of them have a 60 to 80 year legacy, multiple composers had a go at their themes, multiple filmmakers did their version of these characters—it’s very scary. You watch a movie and it’s like, “Holy shit, now I have to come up with something.” You’ve got sweaty hands and you’re nervous, and you talk about it over and over again—and I have exactly that relationship with Zack Snyder—and then Zack said, ”There’s only one thing you can do, and that is embrace this character as if it’s your own, keep it close to your musical soul, and just do whatever you feel is the right thing to do for this character.” That’s the only thing we can do. That’s what all these great directors did back in the day, and that’s what all these great composers did back in the day. It makes no sense for me to do extensive quoting of Hans’ score of the really amazing Batmans. It makes no sense for me to quote Superman from John Williams. Because all fantastic composers, they all did the same thing, they did something that was close to their heart, and I have to do exactly the same thing on this movie. You know this is Movie Number 4 that I’m doing with Zack, so you build a friendship and it’s built on trust and loyalty. You know how to challenge each other, you know what to expect on the other side, and it’s this really open, amazing dialogue about where to take this franchise."I can confirm that he had already worked on it quite a bit, because he said so in one of his Studio Time episodes.I wouldn’t be surprised if he wrote another long sketchbook for it...I honestly have no idea... But I can't believe back in June when he left he hadn't done a bunch of the score already...The thing is with Jablonsky scores composers rarely get cuesheet credits, so you can't really draw conclusions out of it. Here's a small part of the cuesheet :<br><br>QUINTESSA PT 1<br>QUINTESSA PT 2<br>QUINTESSA PT 3 OPTIMUS REDEMPTION<br>KNIGHTED<br>WE HAVE TO GO ZERO GRAVITY<br><br>OPENING BATTLE<br>MERLIN<br>MERLIN GETS THE STAFF - BATTLE WON<br>TROUBLED TIMES<br>CADE DRIVING - AMULET<br>WE HUNT - DECEPTICONS HUNT<br>KEEP A SECRET - VIV ARRIVES CASTLE FOLGEN<br>WITWICCANS<br>ROUNDTABLE ORGAN SOURCE<br>COGMAN CHOIR<br>STAFF<br>BETTER GET CRACKING<br>PLANETARY VAMPIRISM<br>TOO OLD<br>SUBMARINE<br>TWO MOONS<br>MERLIN'S TOMB<br>SPACE STATION<br>CLAIM THE STAFF<br>SHIP RISE<br>YOUR VOICE<br>SOLDIERS TAKE POSITION - BURTON DIES<br>FALL AND GRAB<br>ENDING
rumor has it Lorne Balfe did this score<br><br>I guess if we do not get any credits then that proves itAny chance of proper artist credits for this score?@Hybrid <br><br>Did Tom actually record anything for the film or did he just do demos?It's the same 24 tracks divided on two CDs. I'm truly hoping for a nice numbered digipak that separates the limited editions from the regular release otherwise it would be quite a crappy move from the record label. <br><br>"Joss said, ‘Let’s do it [Batman’s theme] on the nose. Fans love this kind of stuff.’" Why do you have to ruin everything, Joss?

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  1. 1976 (3:00)
    Hans Zimmer, Bryce Jacobs, Jasha Klebe, Mel Wesson, Martin Tillman
  2. I Could Show You If You'd Like (0:44)
    Hans Zimmer, Stephen Lipson
  3. I Hear You Knocking - Dave Edmunds (2:46)
  4. Stopwatch (1:29)
    Hans Zimmer, Jasha Klebe, Bryce Jacobs, Michael Brook, Jack Dolman
  5. Into The Red (3:15)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  6. Budgie (1:28)
    Hans Zimmer, Jasha Klebe, Bryce Jacobs, Mel Wesson, Martin Tillman
  7. Scuderia (0:53)
    Hans Zimmer, Bryce Jacobs, Martin Tillman
  8. Gimme Some Lovin' - Steve Winwood (2:52)
  9. Oysters In The Pits (1:05)
    Hans Zimmer, Stephen Lipson, Martin Tillman
  10. 20% (1:01)
    Hans Zimmer, Bryce Jacobs, Stephen Lipson, Jack Dolman
  11. Dyna-Mite - Mud (2:55)
  12. Watkins Glen (1:49)
    Hans Zimmer, Bryce Jacobs, Martin Tillman
  13. Loose Cannon (0:35)
    Hans Zimmer, Bryce Jacobs
  14. The Rocker - Thin Lizzy (5:08)
  15. Car Trouble (2:37)
    Hans Zimmer, Bryce Jacobs, Martin Tillman
  16. Glück (1:14)
    Hans Zimmer, Bryce Jacobs
  17. Nürburgring (5:33)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Mel Wesson, Martin Tillman
  18. Inferno (3:30)
    Hans Zimmer, Bryce Jacobs, Mel Wesson
  19. Mount Fuji (3:44)
    Hans Zimmer, Bryce Jacobs, Martin Tillman
  20. For Love (2:48)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Martin Tillman
  21. Reign (3:05)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe, Mel Wesson, Martin Tillman
  22. Fame - David Bowie (4:11)
  23. Lost But Won (6:16)
    Hans Zimmer, Jasha Klebe, Bryce Jacobs, Michael Brook, Martin Tillman
  24. My Best Enemy (2:33)
    Hans Zimmer, Jasha Klebe, Martin Tillman
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mpolonest123 reply Replies: 3 || 2015-03-24 23:24:47
Hey Hybrid,
What is the correct order of the ASCAP cues? I'm wondering how many unreleased tracks from the film there actually are.

Octane 932015-04-22 14:34:48
I have ripped an alternate version of 'Stopwatch' that plays in the credits. The stock score lacks the emotion of this version which is an alternate version to the one played when Niki is working with BRM at Paul Ricard.

mpolonest1232015-04-23 01:32:26
Really? I haven't taken a listen to the end credits but I'm curious. I'm still just wandering where the Just Married cue surfaced from

Octane 932015-04-23 21:52:22
Yeah. Sometimes you have to be a little creative to get the tracks you want from the film or the version you want. That's why I always head to the credits to see if they will play the tracks missing from the score. I'm trying to remember the 'Just married cue', but many times if the cue is very short it wont be included on the ST. ### EDITED ###

Felix reply Replies: 4 || 2014-10-23 00:38:20
ASCAP Cue List:

MONZA 1976

RealFfingMusic2014-10-23 12:35:15
Alphabetical cuelist. Elementary.

Hybrid Soldier2014-10-23 12:37:29
I have it in correct order with all the composers detailed ! lol

hopeful2014-11-09 20:49:07
Will those cues be released? 1181

hopeful2014-11-09 20:49:15
Will those cues be released?

thejok3rrules reply Replies: 3 || 2014-02-10 03:14:50
Hybrid (Or anyone lse who can answer me), is the official release complete? I've seen the movie only once (And I believe the Academy Awards are assholes for not nominating it for Best Film and Best Supporting Actor, but I don't remember if there's anything missing... It's a great score, one of the best Zimmer since a loooonng while.

Ds2014-02-10 09:16:36
I saw it again yesterday and I'd say there's not much missing. The missing cues I noticed were small variations of the end of "Stopwatch", and a variation of the guitar riff of "Car Trouble". But the vast majority of what we hear in the movie can be found on the album.

Saurabh2014-02-16 08:17:07
There's one cue missing which appears when Lauda returns and wins after his accident. But apart from that, as Edmund said, there's nothing much missing. Just some minor variations (alternates?) of the tracks on the regular release.

Robert2014-03-18 02:54:27
As Saurabh mentions, there's the cue when Niki returns to race (as-well as during the race when he places 4th). There's also the music when Niki recovers (as he has his lungs vacuumed) and when he asks Marlene to promise "you won't say a word" as he painfully struggles to put on his helmet (I want that track so badly). There's another that follows Niki asking Hunt, "So where is she, this mysterious wife?" and it lasts up until Hunt arrives to confront Lord Alexander. Those are a few moments I can think off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are more. I know they're just alterations of album tracks, but I'd still love to have them... It's a beautiful, powerful, and emotional score to a great movie. I'm crossing my fingers for an extended release.. some day!

Lukullus reply Replies: 1 || 2014-02-15 19:55:06
I would like to know if there will ever be a "Complete Recordings" edition of RUSH?
There seem to be quite many movies where Hans composed the music and then a "Complete Recordings Edition" was released.

Any news if Hans has planned on doing the same thing for RUSH?
I would LOVE to hear more of his awesome work on one of the best movies in 2013!!!

Thanks! Lukullus

Edmund Meinerts2014-02-15 23:37:46
Even if a complete score of Rush were to emerge, I doubt we'd hear much more than there is on the regular album. I don't think there's more than an hour or so of music in the film...

isildur reply Replies: 25 || 2014-01-04 18:01:49
Did you see, You-Know-Who gave 3 stars to this and 4stars to Thor 2. And once again bashes Hans and RCP just for the heck of it. LOL. I have no idea why he even reviews RCP scores.

Hybrid Soldier2014-01-04 18:15:42
Because it gives him more clicks than any other reviews... RCP is saving his site ! ;)

Leo2014-01-05 03:51:27
You guys are saying that Clemmensen bashed Zimmer in Rush, yet he called it "nostalgic", which is a good thing, and "pleasing at the same time, ending on a blissfully positive note." It is indeed a very good listening experience on album, and I agree with the review.

trent easton navarro2014-01-05 03:51:38
Thor 2 is also a better score than Rush and most of Clemmensen's criticism of recent RCP is also correct. Captain Philips is a horrible score and Ender's Game is boring and generic. But you fanboys wouldn't understand. On that account you aren't very different from religious fanatics :)

Zimson2014-01-05 05:10:19
Clemmensen is just being a prick. His ratings are not based on the actual value of the music but on if he likes the composer or not. Read the reviews through, he starts not liking Zimmer after PotC 1 and then hating him after The Dark Knight. The community is just worse. It's like critics bashed Wagner in the old days for being different.

Leo2014-01-05 05:42:50
>hating him after The Dark Knight
>favorable review for Sherlock Holmes, Frost/Nixon and Angels & Demons both earning 4 stars, complimenting both immensely
>favorable reviews for both Rush and Lone Ranger

Clemmensen is not being a prick, he's just being honest. And Thor 2 is, indeed, slightly better than Rush.

Frank2014-01-05 06:25:15
Those who thought Thor 2 is better than Rush can listen the main theme Zimmer composed for a TV show named The Contender,and tell me the difference between them

Zimson2014-01-05 06:25:15
"Being Honest". No, it is still an opinion. His reviews are full of personal hostility against RCP composers. He calls them "Zimmer clones" or "minions". Although he gave at least some favorable reviews for Zimmer in recent years, he had a hard time doing it. "Angels & Demons" sounds not really like a positive review despite the 4-star rating. The real reasons why he is a prick to me are his reviews of PotC 3 (2 stars), TDK (2 stars), Inception (2 stars), TDKR (2 stars) and MoS (1 star). Although several critics would agree on the last one, he gives the worst ratings of all critics to Zimmer. And I'm pretty sure the reason is a personal thing.

Rcp2014-01-05 06:41:49
How can you all say one score is "better" than the other. What matters is how it accompanies a film, so, that being said and since you bring up Thor 2, I disagree and say Rush is better than Thor 2. Now here's the best bit, the reason for me preferring Rush is not necessarily the musical content, but how it left me feeling when leaving the theater. And with rush I felt more emotionally engaged than I did with Thor 2, can't explain why cause both scores are great, this is purely my opinion. And I feel I felt I heard the Thor 2 theme somewhere else.

Leo2014-01-05 08:02:19
Most scores by Brian Tyler over the past few years have similar themes so it really isn't a surprise :P they're still very pleasing and entertaining though.

And while I agree that PoTC 3 review was harsh, unfair even, he complimented Ramin Djawadi for Pacific Rim, both Zimmer and Lorne Balfe for Megamind, John Powell (the best from RCP, fact), even David Buckley for The Forbidden Kingdom. And let's be honest, Zimmer is being in his comfort zone these days. The man can do much better.

isildur2014-01-05 11:14:53
It's not about what he said in the Rush review. If you see Thor2 review, rather than reviewing the score itself he moans about how it is better than what Hans and his "offshoots" and "ghost writers" are coming up with. He mentions Zimmer/RCP at least 3 times in the 3 paragraphs.

If one wants to play comparison game then I will compare every score with Jurassic Park and say that all of them are beneath it. Would that count as a review too?

Funny thing is I think he secretly follows Hans and RCP guys in some sort of disguise and that's why he so sure of "ghost writers" of Hans :D

0-cool2014-01-05 11:50:39
Tyler uses uncredited ghostwriters ;)

trent easton navarro2014-01-05 12:44:29
You are totally missing Clemmensen's point Isildur. He compares Tyler to Zimmer because they write in the same style, only Tyler manages to use the RCP sound in a more creative way and achieves the same sound without the cheap synth overlays. So your comment about comparing every score to JP complety misses the mark. Now if someone where to write a score in Williams' style (like for instance early David Arnold scores) then it would make sense to compare it to a Williams score.

Looking at filmtracks ratings of all Zimmer scores, it's clear Clemmensen is not the Zimmer hater you all make him out to be. Not sure, but I believe Zimmer has a better average rating than say Jerry Goldsmith

trent easton navarro2014-01-05 12:47:23
And one does not need to follow Hans secretly to know he uses ghostwriters, nor does it matter that Tyler uses them as well

Hybrid Soldier2014-01-05 13:06:21
"They write in the same style" Are you kidding me ?

Rush is the best film of 2013 (I've seen 94 in theater), by far... The score is emotionally the most well written to any picture (there's one big unreleased action cue, when Lauda gets back to racing, it kicks nearly everything written in 2013).

Thor was a lame sequel in the tradition of the recent lame Marvel productions, and while I can still sing Pat Doyle's theme, I only remember from it that it was just a rehash of basically every Tyler score in the past 5 years...

isildur2014-01-05 13:23:31
What I am saying is why should we even compare? When you are reviewing a score you should talk about how it holds or doesn't solely on the merit of itself, and how well it serves (or doesn't) the film and not how it is compared to some other. Doesn't matter if they use similar style or not.

And why drag Zimmer/RCP into everything. Didn't you notice his little "tease" about his so called Best of 2013 thread. Why single him out? And if it doesn't matter if Tyler uses "ghost writers" too, then why so much love for only Hans' "ghost writers"?

NM2014-01-05 13:44:21
"Clemmensen is just being a prick. His ratings are not based on the actual value of the music but on if he likes the composer or not."

Tbh I find Clemmensen a fair and honest reviewer, even when I disagree with him.

"It's like critics bashed Wagner in the old days for being different."

Their whole point is that the 'RCP'/Zimmer sound *isn't* 'different'.

D A R T H2014-01-05 14:24:59
it's a commercial fail...

Ds2014-01-05 15:42:07
Hybrid is just so right. "Rush" is emotionnally engaging and gives some substance, accompanying perfectly the mood of the movie: nostalgic and really moving. I loved that score before seeing the movie, loved it even more in the movie and even more now.

And "Thor 2" sums up EVERYTHING wrong with the latest Marvel productions, including the music. No identity, no continuity, no emotion. It's inoffensive in the movie but has absolutely no impact on the viewer. If you say Zimmer is in his comfort zone these days, i wonder what could be said about Tyler...

But I wonder why we even speak about Clemmensen. All of his credibility was suddenly lost the day he gave "At World's End" (i.e. the best RCP score of all time) TWO stars. 2/5!! This isn't even a matter of taste, it's blind, mean injustice.

MrZimmerFan2014-01-05 17:02:49
Clemmensen gave two stars to At World's End?, for god sake, that guy is awful

MacArthur2014-01-05 17:10:04
What i don't get is why he gave Ender's Game a Bad review

I Thought it was Fantastic. & I also Agree with Hybrid. Brian Tyler and Hans Don't sound similar (I'm not saying that they don't write similar Hans just Doesn't sound as synthy to me as Tyler. (Mw3 & Battle LA)

Zimson2014-01-05 17:44:42
- "It's like critics bashed Wagner in the old days for being different."

- "Their whole point is that the 'RCP'/Zimmer sound *isn't* 'different'."

That's how he mocks RCP. In fact there's nothing out there comparable to Inception or The Dark Knight, it's unique. Clemmensen believes everything should sound like Williams and that film music is going in a completely wrong direction. He even gave a widely unrecognized score a 5 star rating for being a traditional score that is "rare today".
Btw the track "Origins" of Thor 2 sounds like a Dark Knight tribute. I had to check twice if the player didn't jump into the TDK playlist.

MacArthur2014-01-05 17:56:16
Zimmer Created this Modern film score genre and I love It. the way film scores are now IMO are the best that they have ever been, save the older Williams scores (Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Midway. etc.)

Zimson2014-01-05 18:15:38
Hans is ranked 42 out of 51 composers! *Have sign, will protest!"

MacArthur2014-01-05 18:33:22
Who's Behind him from 43 to 51

Zimson2014-01-05 18:57:08
Here's the link: filmtracks()com/composers/

Russel reply Replies: 1 || 2014-01-05 17:50:18
Of course taken from ASCAP, but in case you did not see the list; well here it is! :)


...2014-01-05 17:54:42
Thanks but would you mind reposting this in a more readable way?:P

marco reply Replies: 1 || 2014-01-05 16:58:24
i agree. Rush was a welcome return to zimmers early style. it is in my top 5 of this year, even more so than man of steel. But I'm a I'm in a balance of that and gravity for my top score this year. A lot of people will probably disagree but i find gravity to be one of the most engaging scores of the year. only because it had play a vital part of the movie, but rush sure has the excitement and emotional actor

marco2014-01-05 16:59:55
the bad things of typing on an iPhone. the last word is 'factor'

Poe reply Replies: 5 || 2013-12-28 06:03:07
Is a film order possible to create with this album?

Hybrid Soldier2013-12-28 18:05:57
With all the crossfades it's hard, but here is a chronological order :

01 - 1976
02 - I Could Show You If You'd Like
03 - Budgie
04 - Stopwatch
05 - Oysters In The Pits
06 - Scuderia
07 - 20%
08 - Watkins Glen
09 - Loose Cannon
10 - Into The Red
11 - Car Trouble
12 - Glück
13 - Nürburgring
14 - Inferno
15 - Mount Fuji
16 - Lost But Won
17 - For Love
18 - Reign
19 - My Best Enemy


Poe2013-12-29 02:55:51
Thank you Hybrid Soldier.

Anonymous2014-01-04 02:25:24
Is the Itunes release crossfaded?

marco2014-01-04 12:22:55
I have the iTunes version and it is indeed crossfaded

D A R T H2014-01-05 13:13:32

Radik reply Replies: 9 || 2013-10-06 17:42:24
Awesome movie and epic music :)))

Radik2013-10-06 18:58:59
and main theme remind me Bane's theme

Edmund Meinerts2013-10-06 22:07:49
Yeah...Whenever I hear the Rush main theme I can't help but sing "deshi bashara" along with it...

...not. :p

Mike2013-10-06 23:31:56
lol, good one, Meinerts.

Radik2013-10-07 16:53:53
I meant instrumental theme not chant.. listen the first seconds of Lost But Won.. you can hear that one

MacArthur2013-10-07 16:57:35
I wasn't thinking that at all I was thinking it sounded more like transformers and Lone Ranger

Mortifer V.2013-10-20 19:55:21
Radik, dude, no...

JD2013-11-14 04:05:37
Best score of the year so far for me. Loved it!

Zimson2013-11-19 22:20:14
Just awesome! I love Oysters in the Pits, Into the Red and Watkins Glen. Thx to Hans!

Radik2013-12-28 19:59:17
Any problem Mortifer?? thats my opinion :P

Frank reply Replies: 6 || 2013-12-27 20:24:24
I'm really surprised that Hans won't score Ron Howard's next movie In the Heart of the Sea. Its IMDb shows that the composer is some guy named Roque Banos

SanAntonioSpurs2013-12-27 21:43:59
True, indeed a very sad news... :(

Hybrid Soldier2013-12-27 22:18:28
Hans wanted to, Ron as well, but it was just not possible. Hans recommanded Ba&#241;os...

0-cool2013-12-27 22:28:33
maybe it's because of Interstellar.
Hans stated that he wanted to take his time for that score when asked if he will score the new Guy Ritchie movie

Hybrid Soldier2013-12-27 22:39:45
I'm thinking more of a studio issue & movies partly shot in Spain that requires to have spanish composers to pay less taxes... Yeah said like this it sounds cold like hell... Why do you think so many spanish guys got big scores in the past couple of years... A sudden Hollywood love for them ? LOL

Anyway if that's the case we'll never have any sort of confirmation ... It's just sad... :)

Edmund Meinerts2013-12-27 23:59:46
That Spanish tax law might be a stupid idea but it's led to some pretty good composers getting good breaks...Lucas Vidal, for example (yeah, his F&F 6 wasn't great, but Cold Light of Day was pretty cool) or Fernando Velazquez. Banos is a great composer and it's good to see him following suit. I'm guessing that's why Federico Jusid was initially attached to 300: Rise of an Empire (and it's a shame he isn't anymore...I'm sure it would have been more interesting than anything by Junkie bleeding XL).

But my main point is, those Spanish composers are super talented for the most part, and I don't think it's sad at all!

isildur2013-12-28 11:58:04
Is Hans going to be nominated for this or just 12 Years A Slave? Why not? It's his best work this year, much much better than 12YAS.

isildur reply Replies: 1 || 2013-11-18 19:52:02
People who saw the movie, is there any more music other than what is in in the album?

Mortifer V.2013-11-18 22:20:53
yes, but mainly rearrangements/remixes etc.

MacArthur reply Replies: 0 || 2013-11-08 16:16:39
Didn't Hans C0-Produce this score?

MacArthur reply Replies: 11 || 2013-09-13 06:43:55
Interestingly enough "Car Trouble" contains a Zimmer Theme from the movie yet he is not credited. Why is that.

Hybrid Soldier2013-09-13 11:09:26
That cue contains nothing of Hans.

The first half of the Formula 1 cue that was released in February is not on the OST (Car Trouble is a variation of it). It's actually a portion of a theme suite that was written by Bryce.

Macejko2013-09-13 12:32:36
I would say "Formula 1" made it to the OST. "Into The Red" sounds almost exactly the same.

Hybrid Soldier2013-09-13 12:48:48
The second half of Formula 1 made it to the OST, Into the Red indeed. The first half did not. :)

Guitwo2013-09-13 15:55:25
Hybrid: do you know if we can expect a suite in the futur?

MacArthur2013-09-13 17:12:14
So should I list Bryce Jacobs as a co-composer or not?

MacArthur2013-09-13 18:42:37
Huh it sure sounded like Zimmer. at least the the Opening of that track that was heard in "1976" and I also thought that the cue about 1:00 in sounds like a variation of the main theme just on electric Guitar. just some of the things I noticed. correct me if I'm wrong. Cause it sure sounded like Zimmer.

MacArthur2013-09-13 21:41:41
And also were Harald Kloser & Thomas J. Wander RCP guys too

Hybrid Soldier2013-09-13 22:00:50
Do a 5 minutes research on Google and you'll have your answer...

MacArthur2013-09-13 23:18:50
For which Question? The Harald Kloser & Thomas J. Wander or the Zimmer one about Rush

Mortifer V.2013-10-14 01:25:32
Actually, Hybrid, there are 3 tracks from the official release that have taken parts from "Formula 1": "Budgie" (it's a very mixed variation of the beginning of the F1 suite, "Car Trouble" and "Into the Red" (as you already mentioned).

MacArthur2013-10-14 01:44:31
Now Car trouble Has Hans on it I guess some of the stuff I heard has Hans to it.

ei18 reply Replies: 1 || 2013-10-07 04:08:06
still no news on 12 years a slave release?

0-cool2013-10-07 10:38:46
Hybrid needs to confirm this but it seems that there isn't much score in the movie. If it were at least 40 mins+ there would have surely already been an announcement

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 11 || 2013-09-29 00:48:54
Huh. So now the cues like "Car Trouble" and "I Could Show You if You Like" that used to not have Zimmer's name on them do? I wonder what the story is here...

A bit late to the party, but I just finished my first listen to this score. A bit of bleedthrough from Transformers in the theme and Inception in some of the action cues (mainly those with Balfe involved, which I'm sure is no coincidence), but overall I definitely like it. Especially the last few cues; "Lost But Won" is fantastic. The rock feel fits the story perfectly, I think, even if some of the "pure" rock tracks aren't ones I'll listen to much in the future. If it wasn't for The Lone Ranger I'd say this is my favorite Zimmer score since Inception - and since The Lone Ranger is probably just my new favorite Geoff Zanelli score I'll still say it. ;)

MacArthur2013-09-29 02:02:08
Ed you do know that the Lone Ranger is a Zimmer Score Right? lol.

And Maybe....and Hybrid can confirm this. It is because the tracks from Rush. Like "Car Trouble" Contain a Zimmer Theme.

Zimson2013-09-29 10:02:02
Yeah, Zanelli only did Finale as far as I know.

Edmund Meinerts2013-09-29 12:07:15
Considering Finale is by far the best cue in the score, that alone is saying something. But we don't know to what extent he was involved in the rest of the score, and from what hints Hybrid has dropped, it seems like quite a bit. I'm not saying Zimmer wasn't involved at all, but it seems like Zanelli had at least as much influence on Lone Ranger as Balfe had on Inception, if not more.

MacArthur2013-09-29 17:25:52
Even the Finale had a Zimmer Touch to it. Now a lot of people would disagree with me but I thought that the 2 best cues were "For God and Country" and "Railroad Waits for no man" Then "Ride" and Probably "Absurdity" comes next THen It would be "Finale"

Mike2013-09-29 20:09:17
MacArthur, I'm not asking this to sound like a jerk, but I'm just curious. Being honest with yourself, if you had heard that Zimmer alone did Finale, and that there was no additional composer involvement for that cue, would "Finale" still be at the bottom of your list?

Mike2013-09-29 20:12:20
And Zimson, if Zanelli's involvement in The Lone Ranger was at all like his involvement in Gore Verbinski/Zimmer's previous works (POTC and Rango), then I can assure you that Geoff Zanelli did much more than Finale.

MacArthur2013-09-29 22:00:49
Yes, I didn't think it was the best cue on the score (Even if Zimmer did it)

MacArthur2013-09-30 06:21:11
Oh I also forgot the track "Home" I like that one better than the "Finale" as well. Just a thought. Not cause I don't like finale Just I like these better.

Mike2013-09-30 17:33:57
Home was a good track. Even the Filmtracks review appreciated it.

Edmund Meinerts2013-09-30 18:40:56
Home is nice enough, but it didn't leave that much of an impression on me. The Finale on the other hand is just sheer brilliance from beginning to end; the way the old Rossini piece is interwoven with the Zimmer/Zanelli themes and action motifs is just seamless. I'd never heard anything quite like it before. It elevates an otherwise pretty good score to being one of my favorites of the year. :D

MacArthur2013-09-30 19:32:13

Spence reply Replies: 4 || 2013-09-20 01:22:55
(Because I don't know where else to put this)
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Article says Zimmer's score is one of the 5 main reasons to see the film and rumour has told us he won't release it!?!?!?!??!?!

Hybrid, you seem to know what goes down on this end of earth. Please help enlighten us :)

Edmund Meinerts2013-09-20 08:47:39
The Variety quote about Inception foghorn blasts makes me very, very worried. :/

0-cool2013-09-20 15:24:06
check out the dp30 interview. Hans says something about that

MacArthur2013-09-20 17:45:39
You never know it actually might be good and fit the movie very well. (I'm talking about the foghorn blasts

Frank2013-09-25 21:59:08
Did you guys check for its lates featurette: A Portrait of Solomon Northup? The cello sounds like Zimmer's original score, www-youtube-com/watch?v=VQzynqLSIhc

Jeremy reply Replies: 0 || 2013-09-21 02:07:34
Wow, Like, this score is awesome. give me the chills man.

Ds reply Replies: 4 || 2013-09-21 00:19:34
God i just LOVE "Lost But Won", especially the mid-part (3'20''-4'20''). I'm happy this track is used in a prominent scene in the movie, and is very audible throughout. For once great music isn't completely buried under sfx! It's also the end credits music.

Mike2013-09-21 00:24:11
Would you agree, Ds, that Man of Steel had that problem? Goodbye My Son, DNA, and Terraforming were especially problematic to me.

Mike2013-09-21 00:24:42
Being buried under sound effects, I mean.

Ds2013-09-21 00:47:38
Yeah this is precisely my only issue with the music in Man of Steel. Zimmer did an outstanding job with those drums but the result is barely audible in the movie, which i think is a shame. You're right about those 3 tracks. The epic mid-part of Terraforming for example sounded just so tiny in the movie...

That's why i'd love to get the isolated score on the Bluray (like Oblivion), to fully enjoy Zimmer's sophisticated sound. But i'm just dreaming :(

MacArthur2013-09-21 02:02:28
Agreed! lost but won is an awesome track. one of my all time Zimmer Favorite's

MacArthur reply Replies: 0 || 2013-09-20 06:21:07
Please tell me 12 years a slave will get a release.

Brent reply Replies: 6 || 2013-09-17 01:38:18
Interesting interview with Zimmer posted today. I thought this quote was pretty hilarious: "I believe there was a little 'Lone Ranger' overlap as well, but we don't talk about that movie because apparently that movie doesn't exist. I think they send you straight to composer jail if you even mention it." (You have to read the article to understand the context). l?utm_hp_ref=entertainment

Mike2013-09-17 01:41:00
Maybe this, Hybrid, explains his lack of interview material on the score--not that he simply "doesn't care about it". But then, you know better than I.

0-cool2013-09-19 14:46:36
I don't get what he means by that

Ds2013-09-19 15:50:38
The Lone Ranger has been slayed by critics and a huge box office failure. The movie's considered "unpopular" and that's why the medias don't want to speak about it. When interviewing Zimmer about his 2013 works, they didn't even mention The Lone Ranger!

Edmund Meinerts2013-09-19 21:44:41
Which is sad because I thought The Lone Ranger (film and score) was a lot of fun...okay, the movie was a bit too long and far from perfect, but an enjoyable ride. Whereas Man of Steel (film and score) was loud, obnoxious and generic.

It's sad, it kind of feels a few early critics decided to unanimously gang up on The Lone Ranger and the rest of them just decided "okay, this has to be a flop, so everyone review it negatively now". It's especially sad because it just confirms how unwilling Hollywood currently is to move beyond a narrow set of genres for its summer blockbusters: superheroes and sci-fi. Maybe the odd fantasy thing or two, but always modern/urban fantasy these days, never high. Absolutely no room for, say, westerns or adventure these days, and so something like John Carter or The Lone Ranger or Jack the Giant Slayer gets thrashed. Not that any of those movies are great, but none of them deserved to flop the way they did, and I thought all of them were a refreshing change of pace. Plus, all of them have very good scores!

MacArthur2013-09-19 22:28:10
Agree about Lone Ranger. Disagree About Man of Steel.

Also I like The Comic book Hero's films. but Agreed on the Sci-Fi Thing it's getting old nothing measures up to Star Wars or Star Trek So I just wonder why people bother.

Make some sort of War film (ever watch the Longest Day) classic war film.
Or even Action adventure film or something. I'm sur eit would do well if Hollywood reporters stay out if it.

Ds2013-09-19 23:29:38
Edmund, i think your analysis is spot-on. Critics are trashing the films they are supposed, as film lovers, to support. They now seem to prefer generic sci-fi/superhero movies (Marvel movies, Star Trek Into Darkness to name a few) over daring, refreshing filmmaking.

Ds reply Replies: 0 || 2013-09-19 12:10:54
Really impatient to see how this great music sounds in the movie!

... reply Replies: 3 || 2013-09-16 21:25:33
12 Years A Slave probably won't have a soundtrack release...

we'll have to hope for a FYC or the complete score...

anon2013-09-16 21:50:10
I seriously hope this news is false. :(

MacArthur2013-09-16 23:37:06
Yeah me too, was totally looking forward too that score. I sure hope that if it is true that he changes his mind.

ei182013-09-17 01:08:08
where did you hear this?

John Flanagan reply Replies: 4 || 2013-09-15 21:03:07
I don't know, did Ramin Djawadi worked with Zimmer on any of the tracks, because a lot of songs seems like the themes from Game Of Thrones and Pacific Rim also, both are Djawadi works, I'm confused, it's this just in my head or did anyone else noticed, listen guys, play Pacific Rim track 01 and the track Reign from Rush, you will see, or better, hear what I'm saying

MacArthur2013-09-16 00:15:05
I don't think there was any thing in terms of copying I think it probably sounds similar because Zimmer trained these guys

Macejko2013-09-16 10:56:20
John: Thank you, I was under impression I was the only one to notice the obvious.

Frank2013-09-16 11:16:28
Actually I think the track Reign is more like TDKR

MacArthur2013-09-16 17:45:31
The only thing that I caught on this was the the theme was similar, now notice similar to Transformers theme of "All the Spark" but not the same. and I'm ok with that.

Because it's a different variation on the same chord progression.....Make sense.

GilvaneCezar reply Replies: 0 || 2013-09-15 18:22:57
What is the guitar music that plays in the trailer 3? It is very good, but not on the album!

MacArthur reply Replies: 11 || 2013-09-14 05:01:10
Wil 12 Years A slave get a release

MacArthur2013-09-14 05:02:20
For which Question? The Harald Kloser & Thomas J. Wander or the Zimmer one about Rush and my bad for keep posting. THink I'll crash the website XD.

Macejko2013-09-14 09:58:20
Will you shut up already?

JackieStewart2013-09-14 10:20:42
This MacArthur guy is getting VERY annoying.

Hybrid Soldier2013-09-14 13:21:56
I reported it since he's basically killing every conversation, but hey, I do a lot of stuff around here, but dealing with comments is not part of my job description... :P

MacArthur2013-09-14 16:56:31
Fine Then, I'll Leave I' just trying to get info on the scores because I love Zimmer's Music but if that's the way you want it. I'll leave.

JackieStewart2013-09-14 17:51:27
Yes please, leave.

Jeremy 2013-09-14 18:50:15
Man, That's Kinda Harsh

Joshua2013-09-14 19:07:19
Why do i feel like Jeremy is actually MacArthur to lol

isildur2013-09-14 19:39:58
@MacArthur No one is asking you to leave. It's just everyone would appreciate if you tone down your enthusiasm a bit.

MacArthur2013-09-14 23:08:32
Ok Just say that then.

Jeremy 2013-09-15 03:38:27
Where The heck did you get that notion.

Jeremy reply Replies: 0 || 2013-09-14 18:57:45
What cues or tracks on this did Balfe do it's totally awesome. does anyone know what parts of the songs he did on this score.

Jeremy reply Replies: 0 || 2013-09-14 17:19:28
Wow, a lot of Bryce Jacobs on the tracks, Should I list him as Co-Composer. Does anyone know. Or who do I talk to.

Jeremy reply Replies: 0 || 2013-09-14 16:51:02
Man,This Soundtrack is awesome.

Frank reply Replies: 0 || 2013-09-13 06:34:16
It's so interesting that movie-wave gave four and half stars for this while gave one star for MOS

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