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I wonder if this track is the one causing consternation: Nils Frahm: 'Says' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIwwjy4slI8<br><br>It sounds a bit like what Richter and Balfe could produce, but it is much more artistic than Balfe and much more synth-based than Richter. Frahm is credited for additional music.Not writing negative comments about Balfe for the purpose of writing negative comments - ie. trolling - but for the fact that Balfe does not seem to take film composition seriously. Goldsmith had a similar pace in the 1990s that equates to contemporary Balfe, but he managed to produce fantastic scores like Air Force One in a few weeks (yes, with some help from McNeeely). Balfe simply does not seem to have those skills so he resorts to cliches and drony nonsense. I await to be proven wrong. That Balfe track is not half-bad so I do maintain a general sense of expectation for this.Not any more lame than the Balfe cueLorne says it will be released and insists itís not a GITS situation.That's been standard in certain cases, though considerably less nowadays with how complicated these situations have become.<br><br>Having heard both tracks posted, both give me little on their own. I'm sure they work better in the context of the film, and we might see better tracks unveiled eventually.
He deserve better.Hans and Lorne like twins. Lorne has a very good personality. I still don't understand why some people are still writing bad comments to Lorne?Probably... lolSo is this how itís gonna be? Official release for Richter and leaks by Balfe :(Lorne posted a track from Ad Astra on his YouTube channelThank you. And i suppose "Need You Busting My Balls - End Credits" title would correspond to ASCAP "Need You Busting My Balls" + "RUSH END CREDITS", while "Just Married" to "RUSH MAIN ON END"?
Thatís literally the best part of the score though. But itís typical Richter (Miss Sloane, Black Mirror: Nosedive).Hunt Drunken Weirdness is barely a cue actually, it's just a patch up of sound designs by Mel...<br><br>Italian Party is a name I made up for a cue that's not used in the movie ! :)In ASCAP there is a cue "HUNT DRUNKEN WEIRDNESS" - is this by a chance an alias to "Italian Party", which is absent in ASCAP. Though there are different credits Zimmer/Wesson vs Zimmer/Klebe.https://open.spotify.com/ track/2UcUL4jytfVpW0jSXi3Ggi?si=ETyixI67R5u9AOU1YuClPw<br><br>very lame the cue from Max...Tom Holkenborg:<br><br>After Funeral<br>Anguilo Bugged<br>Bathroom<br>Big Italian Dead<br>Billy Connolly Lunch<br>End Credit Suite<br>Main Title Theme<br>Bring Jimmy Into The Tent<br>Connolly and Marianne In The Kitchen<br>Death of Deborah<br>Death of Halloran<br>Death of McIntyre<br>Death of Mickey<br>Death of Wheeler<br>The Disappearance of Whitey Bulger<br>Halloran Interview<br>Hospital Cafeteria<br>Iíll Ask You Again<br>Informing Connolly <br>Jimmy and Marianne/Loading Valhalla<br>Jimmy and Connollyís First Meeting<br>Make A Case Against Him<br>McGuireís Phone Call<br>Native of Southie<br>Picking Up Tommy King<br>Source Overlay<br>Steak Dinner<br>Thereís Nothing More Iím Going To Know<br>Utmost Respect<br>Weíre Doing This<br>2 Minutes
Tom Holkenborg:<br><br>Jimmy Arrives at Cabin<br>Main On Ends<br>Opening <br>Main Title Transition<br>Alley Transition<br>Happy Ending <br>Hospital Visit<br>Because Youíre Trash<br>Cops Take Michael <br>Execution/Foot Chase<br>I Used To Watch Your Fights Pt. 1-3<br>Iím Coming After Michael Pt. 1-2<br>Jimmy Calls On Michael<br>Michael Calls Police <br>Jimmy Dies<br>Jimmy Hesitates<br>Jimmy Says Goodbye<br>Sean Kills Kid<br>Sean Dies<br>Sean To Michael Transition<br>Street Source<br>Times Square Transition<br>Us Before You<br>Stay Off Main Streets<br>Whatís The Number, Jim?<br>Hit Man Price<br>Jimmyís Coming<br>Shootout in Woods<br>Train Station Pursuit Pt. 1/2<br><br>Tom Holkenborg, Christian Vorlander<br><br>Car Chase<br>Best Chance Youíve Got<br>New York Transition<br>He Killed His Own Cousin<br>The Projects Pt. 1/2Think Hans probably wrote a few notes in a piano mock-up and Lorne did the rest from that starting point... lolSaw the film today. If to talk music only, I heard Max mostly, but... nothing really different from his previous works. I heard the same motif as used in Hostiles and Morgan and probably elsewhere again and again... Nonetheless, enjoyed the movie itself immensely.From Deuscthe Grammophon.<br><br>BTW, i expect the Max Ritcher soundtrack@MrZimmerFan Ok, thank you for the update about the full soundtrack next month
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Kung Fu Panda (Complete Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 85'16
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  1. DWA Logo Chinese Inspired (0:35)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell (Harry Gregson-Williams)
  2. Legend Of Dragon Warrior (Hero) - Get Up (4:42)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, James McKee Smith
  3. Shifu - Furious Five (0:36)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  4. Oogway Summons Shifu (2:19)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  5. Selling Noodles - Shifu Gong (1:09)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  6. Po Stairs To Souvenir (1:45)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  7. Let The Tournament Begin - Furious Five (2:16)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  8. Dragon Warrior Is Among Us (2:03)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  9. Po Is Chosen (0:44)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  10. The Celebration (1:05)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  11. Shogun Mongol Prison (3:00)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, James McKee Smith
  12. Reprise Festival (0:17)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  13. Sacred Hall Of Warriors - Master Shifu (2:49)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, James McKee Smith
  14. Can't Wait To Get Started (0:42)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  15. How's That?? (1:47)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  16. First Night (1:20)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  17. You Don't Belong (0:49)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  18. Peach Tree Of Wisdom (1:53)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  19. Splits (4:21)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  20. Sparring Match (2:41)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  21. Accu-Flashback (3:22)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  22. You Must Believe - Oogway Ascends (1:32)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  23. Po Imitates Shifu - Oogway Cannot (2:18)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  24. Shifu Must Convince Po (2:17)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  25. Furious Five Set Out (1:08)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, John Ashton Thomas
  26. There Are No Accidents - Training Begins (5:14)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  27. The Last Dumpling (1:38)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  28. The Bridge (3:23)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, James McKee Smith
  29. You Have Done Well - There Is No Secret Ingredient (7:49)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, James McKee Smith
  30. Shifu Battles Tai Lung - Shifu's End (4:47)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, James McKee Smith
  31. Enter The Panda - Battle For Scroll (2:31)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
  32. Secret Of The Scroll - Wushi Finger Hold (2:41)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  33. Dragon Warrior Risen - Celebration - Shifu (3:22)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  34. Kung Fu Fighting (1:58)
    Cee-Lo Green, Jack Black, Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  35. Po Tune (2:39)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell
  36. Spiritual Tune (Oogway) (2:04)
    Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Henry Jackman
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Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2019-09-10 21:03:50
Did Powell write Tai Lungís theme?

Knight reply Replies: 1 || 2019-03-20 19:18:34
I noticed that on Kung Fu Fighting here, Try on KFP3, and Here Comes the Sun on Bee Movie complete that there are primary composer credits on them (HZ, JP here, HZ on Try, Rupert on Here Comes the Sun) but both the film and booklet info doesn't credit them. Did they do ghost arranging/producing on them?


Knight2019-03-20 19:22:58
Kung Fu Fighting (Celebration Time) on KFP3 also has a HZ credit despite again the booklet not crediting him for anything on it.

Mike reply Replies: 20 || 2016-07-11 16:33:33
So given your updated credits, Hybrid, I am left wondering: what exactly did Henry Jackman do to merit a credit on "Spiritual Tune"? Cause "Peach Tree of Wisdom" has no Jackman credit and is basically the same thing, and the same tune in KFP2 and 3 never has Jackman credit, either.


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-11 17:12:54
The 2 suites are HZ, Po & Oogway, those themes are his...

I think Jackman just arranged Oogway for the suite, working on Hans' demo, doing some orchestration.


anon2016-07-11 21:25:21
does Hans do demos for every cue?


Mike2016-07-11 22:18:02
^ Question seconded. I've always wondered that too. If I'm not mistaken, there's always some of Hans' music put to the scene before everyone else goes to work, but I'd love to know more.


Anonymous2016-07-11 22:41:04
"The 2 suites are HZ, Po & Oogway, those themes are his..."

Hybrid, I'm pretty sure the Po Tune is both of them with Powell doing the initial idea. Look at what Zimmer said in a Kung Fu Panda 2 interview:

"The Po tune... John started up with something, he had a tune and I had a bass line (and that became sort of a secondary tune). So John started up with something and then I took it and added the orchestration. But he didn't have a B section and I did. And then the 'Furious Five' tune is pretty much all John."


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-11 23:34:30
Depends on the projects but usually Hans's themes or suites are temped in the film.

I'll take a case, Nolan's films. They are not temped with "other" music much. On Inception or Interstellar, Hans' big suites are cut down by temp music editors and put in the whole movie, and then Hans & his team get to work on arranging, programming the score, and fill in the gaps. For Inception, Lorne had a big part in that process (Lorne writes so fast that he also ended up writing theme suites based on Hans ideas, he originally wrote tons of suites based on POTC 1 themes for POTC 2 lol).

For Interstellar all the notes are basically Hans, the guys just did some cutting/transitioning/programming.

Now to take the examples of a few cues (not suites), I'll take something like Messages from Home from Interestellar, this is not "suite-related", it's a cue Hans improvised on screen.

The main theme from Rush was also directly written by Hans to picture as a demo. The Moonlight Serenade from POTC 1 was written by Hans to picture, then Geoff orchestrated/arranged it. Same score, Commandeering the Interceptor, Jim Dooley was working on the cue but in the end Hans reworked it a lot himself. Blackbeard's Entrance from POTC 4 was written by Hans and orchestrated by Matthew Margeson.

So, all this to say what ? There's no rule, it depends on the project and how it goes. People might have more freedom on some projects where Hans has a little less interest or time, but he's always there and usually just brings them to what he wants them to do. The thing is he's not a super fast writer like Lorne can be... He can spend a full day or 2 in the studio on a cue with one of his guys (Hans doing night shift, and when he sleeps, the other guy continues the cue, and then Hans returns and rework it & so on) until they are happy with the result. So when you have a deadline to meet and some parts of scores to be rewritten 3 or 4 times, better have some back up ! :P

Anyway, better stop right now, I could discuss this all night...


Mike2016-07-11 23:40:02
Interesting! I always liked the "Our World" ambient cue from Interstellar, so I assume that, too, was an HZ on-screen improv cue?

Also, you say this: "For Inception, Lorne had a big part in that process (Lorne writes so fast that he also ended up writing theme suites based on Hans ideas, he originally wrote tons of suites based on POTC 1 themes for POTC 2 lol)."

From that, I take it the Robert Fischer and "Kick It" themes were indeed rough ideas from Hans that Lorne then fleshed out?


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-11 23:41:01
Anonymous, true, but careful with all Hans says, he will also tell you Junkie XL wrote Batman's theme ! ;) lol He will make everything to give the good role to the other guy and not him...

Hans co-writes a lot of themes, was the case on Batman Begins, or Megamind (& pretty much every Lorne score he shares a co-credit with lol).

Powell himself won't consider it much to be his (Furious Five, that's for sure, it's JP, can't be more Powell lol), Hans did the majority.


Mike2016-07-11 23:47:52
This is all very interesting. Thanks for the info. Really.

Since you brought it up, do you know what specific elements of the Batman theme are Junkie XL? We know the slamming percussion and the three note motif is Hans, but did Zimmer do the main "tune" of the theme as well?


Tuskan2016-07-12 07:41:41
Thanks for the info hybrid! Do you know what cues he mainly did in kfp2 since there's no suites?


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-12 08:26:37
The 2 big cues Father & Son / Baby Po and Po Finds The Truth.

And there is a suite in KFP 2, called Skadoosh Suite.


Tuskan2016-07-12 12:43:05
Interesting. Any idea what skadoosh suite is?


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-12 13:35:36
Absolutely not !


Tuskan2016-07-12 15:35:19
Are these KFP very collaborative scores like you mentioned Batman Begins, or more split up evenly?

Like for example, something like Zen Ball Master where you see 3 composers credited (lorne,jp,hz), is it the case that Hans does a bit then John does a bit, Lorne does a bit or is it just left to Lorne to do mostly by himself.

This insight into the process is really cool btw. Thanks again for sharing.


Mike2016-07-12 17:39:46
"Father and Son / Baby Po" - is that the first minute of Po Finds the Truth?


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-12 18:57:53
Nope, it's a 5 min cue which is missing...


Mike2016-07-12 23:31:34
Ah... what scene is it? :P


,,,2016-07-13 23:00:54
I swear the beginning of shen frees soothsayer sounds like a classic lamenting moody hans piece!


Mike2016-07-13 23:20:29
I agree... And remember, though, just because Hybrid lists two cues that Hans did most of, that doesn't mean he did nothing else.


Mike2016-07-13 23:20:29
I agree... And remember, though, just because Hybrid lists two cues that Hans did most of, that doesn't mean he did nothing else.


Michael Fields2018-08-25 06:29:01
Yeah, but what about the Kung Fu Fighting from the first movie? Does it really produced by Zimmer and Powell?

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 0 || 2017-03-05 19:44:32
With all the other Jackman credits on this score, I'm actually sort of surprised not to see his name on "Dragon Warrior is Among Us". There's a passage from about 0:40-1:15 that sounds quite clearly like his style (the snare drums, the little fanfares that sound like Puss in Boots/Wreck-it Ralph...). Is it possible he contributed to that track as well?

buxuhuxi reply Replies: 0 || 2016-08-20 14:21:43
kill

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 10 || 2016-07-05 00:07:51
Some "definitive" cuesheet for that one...


Mike2016-07-05 00:17:11
Thanks. A little less Henry Jackman than before, I see. I'm not saying the following to criticize, cause the end result is what really matters, but is it just me or has Hans' involvement in this franchise become less and less with each installment? In this score, there's a fair amount of cues that Zimmer obviously did a lot of work on. The next score had a lot of Lorne Balfe in it, with Zimmer doing "Po Finds the Truth" and maybe a couple other parts, but his contributions aren't major. And then with the third film, the new themes were written by Imagine Dragons and by Lorne Balfe, and there are only one or 2 moments that sound remotely Zimmerish... Why doesn't he just say he's not really interested in continuing with the series?


Ds2016-07-05 19:10:03
I guess Hans had more of a "music coordinator" role on KFP3. And I guess even if Hans wanted to be credited that way, Dreamworks would prefer to stick to the "Music by Hans Zimmer" tagline, which sells much better :-)


Mike2016-07-06 16:59:56
Yeah, I guess the crediting on 3 was a purely monetary idea. If you look in the liner notes, the directors talk about the wonderful score that "Hans and Lorne" wrote for the movie, and the booklet also gives Lorne direct credit for the new Father / Son theme. But I guess the studio is more concerned about catching peoples' attention with the album cover, and maybe a "Music by Hans Zimmer & Lorne Balfe" wouldn't do that as nicely.


iii2016-07-07 16:41:54
Here's a wild theory: maybe Hans actually composes the scores he's hired to write.


Mike2016-07-07 23:30:48
Except when he doesn't. ;)

I guess we don't really know how much he did on Kung Fu Panda 3, but we do know what he didn't do, too.


Edmund Meinerts2016-07-09 19:07:12
Ah, so naive, iii. It's cute. Don't worry, we were all that way once. :)


iii2016-07-10 00:18:27
Are you saying he didn't compose these scores? Think about what you're implying.


Mike2016-07-10 15:31:12
iii, you must be unfamiliar with how Zimmer scores work when they have Lorne Balfe as a "producer." There are a few examples in his career of this, and "producer" for Lorne in such cases = co-composer.


Edmund Meinerts2016-07-10 16:24:19
We're not saying he didn't do anything...we're saying he certainly didn't do everything.


Mike2016-07-10 17:31:55
And I'm, perhaps, adding to it that "not everything" with KFP3 is a bit more so than usual... ;)

Mike reply Replies: 1 || 2014-11-20 16:33:04
I'm really looking forward to score #3. It'll be really impressive if that score can top Kung Fu Panda 2.


Zimson2014-11-20 20:07:15
Yeah, kinda wait for that one. If John Powell doesn't confirm soon, he'll never do.

Hybrid Soldier reply Replies: 11 || 2013-05-13 16:08:49
BTW I added that... :)


T-Mann0362013-05-13 16:28:19
Thanks for adding that, Soldier!


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-13 16:33:00
I should add Prince of Egypt too... I'm a little behind schedule... Shame... lol


...2013-05-13 16:39:35
Lol, maybe Sherlock Holmes as well!

and by the way, do you know anything about Holmes 2?


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-13 16:46:00
I won't add SH.


Mr. Fate2013-05-13 17:17:55
And before everyone starts complaining, Hybrid has already explained why he won't post a page for Sherlock Holmes.


...2013-05-13 17:21:59
I know


Preacher2013-05-13 17:41:38
Why no SH page? I must have missed that.


Aytekin2013-05-13 19:01:37
For god sake, sherlock holmes is just an isolated score not original sessions..


T-Mann0362013-05-13 19:02:53
Preacher, give it a rest will ya?


Preacher2013-05-13 19:28:55
Just asking a simple question, guys. No need for hostility.


Mike2013-12-17 04:30:22
Hey, I just saw this, and Hybrid, if you ever get around to doing Prince of Egypt, do know I'm probably not the only one who would appreciate it. ;)

Unless you have already and I've just been too stupid to look...lol

Zaralith reply Replies: 1 || 2013-08-04 10:35:34
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Mike2013-08-04 20:37:59
That's great. ;)

Edmund Meinerts reply Replies: 5 || 2013-05-13 22:32:56
Thanks for this. I wish there was a little more clarity about Zimmer and Powell's roles, though, because there are definitely parts of this score that scream out either Powell (e.g. the opening) or Zimmer (Oogway's theme) to me (unlike KFP2, which screams Powell from A to Z), and yet apparently they both worked on every cue. That's probably because of the themes, though, so I guess it can't be helped...


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-13 22:35:33
You can't really tell them apart but when Henry wrote on a cue, you can consider it was HZ's responsibily, while the rest was JP... :)


Edmund Meinerts2013-05-13 22:38:51
Also quite surprised to see just how much Henry Jackman contributed...even in "Spiritual Tune" which is "Oogway Ascends" from the album...I had that one pegged for 100% Zimmer.


Edmund Meinerts2013-05-13 22:41:05
Thanks, that's a good tip. Explains the Oogway Ascends thing then. :)


Hybrid Soldier2013-05-13 22:44:53
Just like on KFP 2 when Lorne was in charge of the cue, it's was with Hans, while all the Mounsey / Lewis ones were JP... :)


Edmund Meinerts2013-05-13 23:03:02
Really? Because two of the Balfe ones are "More Cannons!" and "Zen Ball Master", and both of those sound mostly Powell to me (except the endings in both cases, which sound like Balfe and more specifically Megamind...). But maybe Balfe only did the endings of those and Powell (and Dom Lewis) handled the rest.

I guess it really isn't as simple as "he did this, and he did that", huh.

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