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What about his last cover of "Wicked Games"? What a great surprise! Actually, all the themes are being updated every week. Ramin's stealing the show again!Greetings! I have a question regarding the placement of certain cues. Here, "Mycroft Is Nude" is placed where it plays in the film. However, on the sheets, it's shown as being after "Paris Bombing Investigation." Was the scene originally supposed to be later in the film? I'd be curious to know.just beautifulThis is a whole new side of his music as compared to what we normally hear.Black Widow has been moved to Nov. 6th, so we'll het Balfe's sckre at the end of the year.<br><br>Mulan has been moved to July 24th.
Beautiful score! Matches well with The Lion King and WhispersBooklet credits:<br><br>"Wedding"<br>Lyrics: Joanna Wallfisch<br>Elenor Bowers-Jolley: Vocals<br><br>"Siren's Lullaby"<br>Lyrics: Joanna Wallfisch<br>Sarah Lee, Elenor Bowers-Jolley: Vocals<br><br>Yuja Wang: Piano<br>Jack Liebeck: Violin<br>Raphael Wallfisch: Cello<br><br>The Chamber Orchestra of London<br>Janice Graham: Leader<br><br>Music Composed and Conducted by Benjamin Wallfisch<br><br>Score Recorded at Air Studios, London, September 2012<br>Piano Recorded at Avatar Studios, New York, September 2012<br>Music Mixed at Squadron Sound<br>Music Producer: Benjamin Wallfisch<br>Additional Orchestration: Ben Foskett<br>Orchestra Contractor: Gareth Griffiths<br>Score Recorded and Mixed by Jake Jackson<br>Scoring Co-Producer: Alexander van Ingen<br>Assistant Engineer: Chris Barrett<br>Mix Assistant: Adam Miller<br>Music Preparation: Global Music Services, Ltd<br>Publisher: Du Vinage Publishing Ltd<br>Executive Producer DG: Christian Badzura<br>Project Coordinator DG: Burkhard Bartsch<br><br>Booklet Editor: Jens Schünemeyer<br>Photos: Summer in February Films<br>Cover Design: The Creative Partnership<br>Package Design: Mareike Walter<br>Art Direction: Merle KerstenBooklet credits:<br><br>Music Composed by Benjamin Wallfisch<br><br>Music Orchestrated and Produced by Benjamin Wallfisch<br>Executive Producer: Robert Townson <br>Vocal Improvisations by Sussan Deyhim (tracks 2 & 7)<br>Additional vocals: Joanna Wallfisch (tracks 1 & 8) <br>Guitars: Owen Gurry<br>Score Performed by Macedonian Radio Symphony Orchestra<br>Conductor: Oleg Kondratenko<br>Orchestra Leader: Ana Kondratenko<br>Orchestra Contractor: Laurent Koppitz<br>Score Recorded by Giorgi Hristovski<br>Assistant Engineer: Boban Apostolov<br>Score Mixed by Benjamin Wallfisch<br>Orchestra Recorded at MRTV, Macedonia<br>Music Mixed at Fifth Street Music, Santa Monica<br>Music Programming: Benjamin Wallfisch<br>Mastered by Patricia Sullivan<br><br>Special Thanks from the composer to: Afshin Ghaffarian, Richard Raymond, Pippa Cross, Akram Khan, Bob Bowen, Sussan Deyhim, Andrew Shulman, Owen Gurry, Joanna Wallfisch, Robert Townson, Laurent Koppitz and Darrell AlexanderHmmm, according to Batu's website he worked on the first half of L3 & Millennium FalconLovely score with beautiful themes, atmospheric vocal parts and a nice orchestration.
This is a highly underrated album. It's nothing short of a masterpiece, a modern opera. The choir is beautiful, and the choice of gospel for the first track gives it a unique identity, though I'm not sure how well it meshes with the orchestra. It feels a bit off, but will hopefully improve for me on further listens. <br><br>The composition, has to me, elevated Powell to the status of the second best living composer (Williams is still first for now). It's pure orchestral beauty and mastery with variety of texture, color, and style, with seamless tonal transitions. The complexity rivals some of the great works of the past. <br><br>It's strange to me that this is called "choral works". Sure the choir is an important element, but it really should be named "Hubris Symphony", or "Hubris: The Opera", because that's the status the album deserves.My Attempt at a chronological order with edits (feel free to correct any mistakes or if I missed anything) <br><br>1. A Storm Is Coming (0:00 - 0:36) (Logos) <br>2. Should You Choose To Accept (0:00 - 0:52) <br>3. Good Evening, Mr. Hunt (4:19) <br>4. Plutonium Trade (2:53) <br>5. A Terrible Choice (2:55) <br>6. The Manifesto (1:44)  <br>7. Fallout (1:30)  <br>8. Your Mission (2:14)  <br>9. Free Fall (4:14) <br>10. As Ugly As They Come (2:26) <br>11. The White Widow (4:42) <br>12. Should You Choose To Accept (0:52 - 2:34) <br>13. Framing Ethan (2:01)  <br>14. The Exchange (5:55)  <br>15. Escape Through Paris (5:05) <br>16. Steps Ahead (1:02)  <br>17. Je Suis De Sole (1:06)  <br>18. We Are Never Free (6:57)  <br>19. Trapped (3:26)  <br>20. The Mission Is Terminated (2:09)  <br>21. No Hard Feelings (4:20)  <br>22. Stairs And Rooftops (6:00)  <br>23. Kashmir (4:29) <br>24. Fate Whispers To The Warrior (3:54) <br>25. And The Warrior Whispers Back (3:56) <br>26. Scalpel And Hammer (0:00 - 2:19) <br>27. Cutting On One (0:00 - 2:23) <br>28. Unfinished Business (1:49)  <br>29. A Storm Is Coming (0:36 - 1:12) <br>30. I Am The Storm (2:07)  <br>31. Scalpel And Hammer (2:19 - 5:10) <br>32. Cutting On One (2:23 - 3:42) <br>33. The Last Resort (2:55)  <br>34. Mission: Accomplished (1:15) <br>BONUS TRACKS: <br>35. The Syndicate (Unused) (6:00) <br>36. Change Of Plan (Unused) (5:47)Rogue One is a bit of an odd one. From what I'd heard, Desplat had joined on the condition he'd be allowed to do his own thing and not ape Williams. But once they decided to overhaul the film, they pressured him to go that exact direction. Things stayed still for a while (in which he still got paid) before he was finally let go very late into production. So the idea he sorta just left is interesting, so I'm curious to hear what that was about.<br><br>For BW, it seems very likely to me that Marvel simply were unsure about Alexandre's music, so I'm guessing they hired Balfe to do some demos and decided from there. Who knows what the exact timeline is, but I'd wager it'd have to at least be this year if he's been on it a bit. Especially with AD's name having stayed on the posters during it.Hybrid, Desplat left Rogue One just for his own idea? I know he left that movie beacuse schedule conflict for the reshoots. <br>But for Black Widow seems that the replacement was since months ago with Lorne writing and recording the score at the same timeht tp:// filmmusicreporter. com/2020/04/01/ track-list-for-disneys-live-action-mulan -soundtrack-album-revealed/<br><br>Why release a tracklist for an album that won't be released for another 6 months at least. That's just a punch in the gut, in my opinion
So it won't be a last minute and hasty job?No idea but he was on it for a bit, I think.Hybrid, do you know how long Lorne had to score?Score is recorded already.Yup, which makes me wonder if they had to wait before announcing it, considering Desplat was still being listed in posters prior to the delay.
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Hans ZimmerLorne BalfeMel WessonAndrew Zack
ComposerAdditional MusicAmbient Music DesignScore Coordinator
Inception (Complete Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 160'55
HZimmer.com rating:        5/5
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  1. Logos (0:45)
  2. Cobb Meets Saito (2:05)
  3. Extraction (7:05)
  4. Audition (1:17)
  5. I Don't Like Trains (1:06)
  6. Hotel & Helicopter (6:08)
  7. Miles Introduces Ariadne (4:53)
  8. Physics & Subconscious (3:46)
  9. Totem (1:14)
  10. Thief & A Forger (1:48)
  11. Mombasa Chase (2:33)
  12. Penrose Steps & Sleepers (5:09)
  13. Vultures Are Circling (3:15)
  14. Strategy (7:03)
  15. Dreams Or Memories (5:43)
  16. En Route (3:29)
  17. Looking Into Limbo - Interrogation (5:59)
  18. Saito's Fate (0:43)
  19. Disappointed (1:43)
  20. Mal & Cobb (7:06)
  21. Into The Van (3:13)
  22. Mr. Charles (12:34)
  23. Destabilization (2:43)
  24. Planning The Diversion (1:22)
  25. To The Complex (3:28)
  26. It's A Trap (8:51)
  27. Walking Through Limbo (4:43)
  28. An Idea Is Like A Virus (2:23)
  29. Truth Once Known (7:30)
  30. Fischer & Son (3:27)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  31. Honor Our Agreement (4:43)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  32. Welcome Home Mr. Cobb (3:39)
  33. F Riff Suite (1:58)
    Hans Zimmer
  34. Mal Dark Suite (7:53)
    Hans Zimmer
  35. Mombasa Suite (4:55)
  36. E Tragic Strings Suite (1:39)
  37. Kick It Suite (4:06)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  38. Time Suite (4:38)
    Hans Zimmer
  39. Looking Into Limbo (Alternate) (0:53)
  40. Mr. Charles (Alternate) (2:40)
  41. Incepton Trailer Music (1:17)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
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Roland77 reply Replies: 0 || 2020-01-22 21:48:39
I like to make you in positive way aware of that "Time" has been blended with Charlie Chaplin's message to humanity (The Great Dictator) and thoughful added images in a video on youtube. If it is blocked due to disturbing pictures, please use a proxy to see it.

Mike reply Replies: 3 || 2018-08-19 22:46:26
It's criminal that Mr Charles, Strategy, and It's a Trap weren't included on the OST. I guess we did get It's a Trap as a bonus track, but it wasn't the film version.

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Mr Tweedy2018-08-20 11:58:05
I agree. Though the album selection is pretty solid, those tracks you mentioned are definitely missing!


Mike2018-08-21 00:43:28
"Thief & A Forger" and "An Idea is Like a Virus" are two other good cues. The latter is a powerful rendition of the Time theme.


GermanRCPFan2019-08-14 13:09:46
All the score is a masterpiece and they had to include all tracks in OST.

Frank reply Replies: 2 || 2019-06-28 09:54:46
This says it's an unofficial release but it's hosted on YouTube, over 2 hours long. Is there a physical copy of this to purchase anywhere in 2019?


badbu 2019-06-28 10:30:45
Nope. You never will get a official cd release from a complete score


Dawn2019-06-28 18:54:20
Well, some recordings are circulating among fans. They somehow "leaked" out of the studio.
There's no regular CD of it, only sound files. Some people might burn it on CD and claim it exists. But until a record company actually releases it, you won't find it in stores.

badbu reply Replies: 3 || 2014-01-09 19:56:31
this is really the best soundtrack of the last years! an amazing masterpice!so perfect!


Macejko2014-01-09 20:28:05
Doge, is that you?


Leo2014-01-10 00:23:21
wow
such score
much braaaaaam
wow


badbu2014-01-10 11:16:38
@Macejko: no :P

Poe reply Replies: 1 || 2014-11-29 00:15:16
What is the E Tragic Strings Suite? Another OST addition?


Hybrid Soldier2014-11-29 00:17:44
Nope... But it's in the OST actually, mixed with something else & faded, in "We Built Our Own World"...

Anonymous reply Replies: 5 || 2015-07-10 16:33:24
Is the 10-and-a-half-minute "Time" suite from the iPhone app official? It's got some Mr Charles elements throughout. Beautiful stuff.


Mike2015-07-10 16:43:49
Official or not, it's really pretty.


Mike2015-07-10 16:55:39
There is also an almost-7-minute long track using the "Radical Notion" album track theme, and the beginning sounds a lot like the Batman v. Superman teaser.

I think this tracklist may have to be updated! :)


bro2015-07-11 02:11:15
They weren't released with the soundtrack or included in the film, but the tracks were still composed by Hans Zimmer, and mixed by Alan Myerson, and mastered by RCP.


Anonymous2015-08-07 19:59:31
the above mentioned tracks are real?


Mike2017-03-07 17:31:09
Yes, they're real. I'm not sure why they're not listed here.

tomPoland reply Replies: 4 || 2014-01-08 11:13:26
I found this in the web. Anyone can tell me what is it?

CD 1
01. Opening Titles
02. A Forgotten Dream
03. Stranded
04. Dream Is Collapsing
05. The Train
06. James and Philipa
07. Saito’s Project
08. The Architect
09. Five Minutes
10. Totem
11. The Forger
12. Mombasa
13. Paradox (Sedative)
14. Mr Fisher
15. The Project
16. Cobb’s Memories
17. Plane to Catch
18. Disappointment. One Sample Idea. We Need to Move

CD 2
01. Subconscious (The Hotel)
02. Rotating Hallway
03. The Kick
04. Massive Attack
05. We Built Our Own World
06. Wating For A Train
07. Is Not Real
08. Collapse
09. Come Back
10. End Credits

CD 3
01. A Forgotten Dream (Editated)
02. A Dream Within a Dream. The Train (Alternate)
03. James and Philipa (Alternate)
04. The Architet (Alternate)
05. A Totem (Editated). The Forger (Alternate)
06. ParadoxSedative (Alternate)
07. Mr. Fisher (Editated). The Project part one (Alternate)
08. The Project (Alternate - Long Version)
09. Cobb’s Dreams (Alternate)
10. Disappointment. One Sample Idea (Alternate)We Need to Move (Isolated)
11. Subconscious (Alternate)
12. Rotating Hallway (Isolate Alternate)
13. The Kick (Isolate)
14. Massive Attack (Isolate)
15. Massive Attack (Alt.1)
16. Massive Attack (Alt.2)
17. Is Not Real (Alternate)
18. Is Not Real (Short Version)
19. Collapse (Different Version)
20. Come Back (Alt.1)
21. Come Back (Alt.2)
22. Inception (Suite Frmo the Movie)

CD 4
01. Time - (Mix Version)
02. Time (We Plants Are Happy Plants Remix)
03. Inception (Junkie XL Remix)
04. Dream Is Collapsing (The Extractor’s Theme)
05. Mal’s Theme
06. Ariadne - The Architect’s Theme
07. Disappointment
08. Chaos
09. Limbo
10. We Built Our Own World (Different Version)
11. We Built Our Own World (Alternate)
12. Radical Notion (Alt.1)
13. Radical Notion (Alt.2)
14. Old Souls (Alternate)
15. 528491 (Alternate)
16. Mombasa - Album Version (Alternate)
17. One Simple Idea (Different Version)
18. Dream Within a Dream (Different Version)
19. Dream Within a Dream (Alternate)
20. Paradox (Alt.1)
21. Paradox (Alt.2)

CD 5
01. Main Theme
02. Time (Angels version)
03. Time (Different Version)
04. Dream Is Collapsing (Album Version)
05. Dream Is Collapsing (Mix Version)
06. Still Dream (Theme from Inception The App)
07. Action Dream (Theme From Inception The App)
08. Travelling Dream (Theme From Inception The App)
09. 1st Trailer
10. 2nd Trailer
11. 3th Trailer
12. Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien
13. Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien (Slow Version)
14. The Hotel (Clip, No SFX)
15. One Simple Idea (Album Version)
16. Mombasa (Album Version)
17. Old Souls (Album Version)
18. Time (Album Version)
19. The Point Man (Arthur’s Theme)
20. Life Takes Death Gives (Unused)


badbu2014-01-08 12:17:36
garbage...a fan super extrem power edit! ;)


Hybrid Soldier2014-01-08 12:20:35
I think the "Lorne Balfe (High Fart Remix Version of Dream Is Collapsing)" is apparently missing from this awesome thing...


badbu 2014-01-08 12:54:28
:D :D a must have remix!!!


Mike2014-01-10 01:48:26
Some tracks are "editated"? Ha...this list is pure crap.

Ian reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-04 21:39:08
Hybrid - do you have any sense of whether or not Hans did the Mombasa Suite alone? I'm making a point of updating my credits for this, and I'm curious to know if it's all him or a joint Hans/Lorne effort. Many thanks!

LILIMING reply Replies: 0 || 2018-01-11 04:11:54
I love this at moive

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 3 || 2017-11-05 00:52:10
Mr. Charles is a great cue. I put it on a loop while studying and it works really well.


Andreas2017-11-05 17:05:31
Regarding. Mr Charles , I think Balfe wrote that


Mike (OTM)2017-11-05 22:10:51
Well, he was certainly involved with it, since it uses the Fischer theme a lot. Actually, the first couple minutes are a variation on a longer Time Suite from the Inception app, which I believe is just Zimmer. But I don't know.


Dom2017-11-06 13:08:24
Remember when Hybrid had credits for the cues so we knew who did what, and then removed them? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Felix reply Replies: 0 || 2017-10-05 10:43:54
Hey Hybrid, is it possible that you upload the Mal Dark Suite on YouTube??

Max Potcats reply Replies: 4 || 2017-08-17 23:29:37
Anyone knows anything about this beautiful bonus track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivveLyjC9RQ&ab_channel=super flybrain

It was on an ultra-complete score and i wonder why it isn't that famous because... well did you listed it? Also is it a suite or an unused cue ?

If anyone knows :)


Hybrid Soldier2017-08-17 23:44:30
It has nothing to do with Inception.


Max Potcats2017-08-18 10:41:46
I see ^_^ and do you know from what movie it comes? And is it Hans' music?


bro2017-08-19 08:15:32
the samples are far to cheap to be anything to do with rcp


Edmund Meinerts2017-08-20 00:08:33
Are you kidding? Cheap samples and RCP go together like peanut butter and jelly. :p

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2017-03-06 18:50:00
Download button isn't working?


Edmund Meinerts2017-03-06 19:15:25
Jesus, if I had a nickel for every time someone asked about the stupid download button...

Tom Hopes reply Replies: 0 || 2016-08-01 13:31:45
I have seen Inception, the expanded score and wondering if this is an official release or is it something that someone has made and selling off as an official release as I can't find much information anywhere about it?

Jeremy reply Replies: 0 || 2016-08-11 21:27:18
How do I buy and listen to these tracks? (Complete score?)

Anonymous reply Replies: 4 || 2016-07-14 04:32:39
what is f riff suite? dream is collapsing?


Anonymous 22016-07-14 04:41:53
Yeah, a demo version I think...

Question for the great and all-knowing Hybrid Soldier lol. You said on the Kung Fu Panda page that Lorne made suites of some of Hans' themes for this score. Do you know what those suites are? Like we know that Time and Mal Suite = Zimmer alone, so what were the suites Lorne did based off Hans Zimmer's ideas?


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-14 10:32:07
Actually I was speaking in general.

But on this score I was thinking about Kick-It... I think all the others are Hans.


Mike2016-07-14 16:41:19
"Actually I was speaking in general..."

That's a tad surprising. With the exception of POTC 3 and maybe Man of Steel, it seems like most of the suites on a given Zimmer score will be Zimmer himself. Do you have any other examples besides Inception and POTC 3 where Lorne did suites like this?


Mike2016-07-14 16:46:12
Well, POTC 3 and 2, but it seems the suites from #2 haven't seen the light of day.

no name reply Replies: 1 || 2015-08-07 19:26:17
How do you even listen to all these tracks?


anon2015-09-03 16:25:43
Blaringly, with eyes closed.

Mike reply Replies: 2 || 2015-03-30 22:49:54
I really, really love the "Strategy" cue. Terrific to have in the background during writing or studying. That cue and "Mr. Charles"--a travesty they weren't put on the album release.


Adam2015-03-31 01:34:35
I really don't think they would've put a 12-minute track on the OST Mike. That rarely happens anymore. We got luck with Angels & Demons!


Mike2015-03-31 15:51:32
After getting a 28-minute suite on Man of Steel, I consider nothing impossible anymore. :P But tons of Hans' moderately long suites that frequently appear on album beg to differ as it is, no?

mankiboi reply Replies: 0 || 2015-03-03 19:43:38
Oh come on you insiders, go ask Hans Zimmer what of those 01-29 tracks he did and what he did not do. Or ask that other guy who worked with him, he should know!ffs!

Boldizar reply Replies: 0 || 2015-02-24 02:52:57
Has anyone heard or have any information on "Score Gems Team". I came across an actual two disc set with this track listing and wondering what the story is.

Mike reply Replies: 6 || 2015-01-15 01:07:37
I just noticed the new crediting here...so Zimmer DID help write the Kick It suite?


Hybrid Soldier2015-01-15 11:13:44
I don't think so, from what I've been told, but I'll never have concrete proof of that... :)


Mike2015-01-24 18:44:16
I also see that Mombasa Suite is no longer credited...Is that just because there's nothing "official" to go by? And then also, was a suite written for the Fischer theme?


Anonymous2015-02-23 23:36:37
can we safely say zimmer wrote the saito theme (ya know, the super-low string theme daaaaaa DWAAAAAAAA....lol) since it was in the hans zimmer revealed concert?


Adam2015-02-23 23:48:51
Hey Anonymous, can you be more specific please? I've never been good at distinguishing themes and I'd like to know what your interpretation of Saito's theme is. Thanks!


Anonymous2015-02-23 23:54:15
if you're just listening off the soundtrack album listen to the second half of "paradox"...it's in there...it also plays at the beginning of the movie when it shows the old man saito...and it also plays when saito is lying wounded on the table, and when he throws the grenade down the ventilation shaft in the snowy dream level :P


Adam2015-02-24 00:55:23
Ok I thought so. Thank you for clarifying and being so specific ;)

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2015-01-29 01:04:20
Where would you get the music?


T-Mann0362015-01-30 02:12:04
Google is your only solution.

Zimson reply Replies: 5 || 2014-08-21 21:16:32
Is "Kick it" actually written by Lorne Balfe or is it an arrangement of a source cue by Hans?


hmmokey2014-08-22 01:32:32
both composed this track ''Kick it Suite''


LBC2014-08-22 16:09:37
I think it's just Lorne


Mike2014-08-22 18:01:15
As far as I know it's just Lorne, but I've often wondered if Hans at least wrote the basic cue, since it's used so often in this score.


Mike2014-08-22 18:50:23
As an interesting side note, IMHO Kick It is the best theme in the score (maybe after the Time suite). So kudos to Lorne, Hans, or both for coming up with it.


Anonymous2014-11-25 22:31:04
Kick It has to have been at least BASICALLY written by Hans first and then turned into a suite by Mr Balfe/arranged by him for the film later...because even in the making-of video with Zimmer that theme is used a lot...

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2014-11-25 22:29:08
The Fischer theme by Lorne Balfe hit it outta the park for the safe opening scene. One of the most moving scenes of the film.

Insert reply Replies: 2 || 2014-04-24 13:40:09
Have you noticed the links of internet have two songs titled "Insert"? These one are the alternate versions of "Looking Into Limbo" and "Mr. Charles".

By the by, what is the E Tragic Strings Suite?


Anonymous2014-08-14 02:08:47
Yeah what is the e tragic strings suite?


Radik2014-08-14 18:55:15
It's 528491 from original score I think

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2014-08-01 20:21:19
Nice new cover. ;)

Ariadne reply Replies: 2 || 2014-03-01 18:52:57
Why are cues 4m20 & 4m21 missing from this? We have 4m19 and then it skips right over to 4m22...isn't Edith Piáf the only source cue?


Anonymous2014-03-05 17:33:47
good question ariadne, I wonder this too. No one knows?


MZ2014-04-26 03:19:10
Because no music is playing during that time :)

RealFfingMusic reply Replies: 26 || 2014-02-18 13:01:08
A question for Hybrid - where did the credits go?


Edmund Meinerts2014-02-18 13:40:08
Seems to me like he threw a temper tantrum and took them down...check the thread below this one. Don't ask me why... :|


RealFfingMusic2014-02-20 08:50:13
OH, COME ON!!!

Who did what here?


Mike2014-02-20 14:13:03
Lorne Balfe did all the cues, Hans Zimmer did the F Riff suite (Dream Is Collapsing), Mal Dark suite (Old Souls), Time suite (Time), and Mombasa suite (Mombasa), and Lorne Balfe did the Kick It suite (One Simple Idea, albeit extended).

Some cues are just Lorne's music, most cues are Hans and Lorne, and a couple (like Mombasa Chase and Welcome Home, Mr Cobb) are essentially just Hans.


Mike2014-02-20 14:13:45
Oh, and Lorne did the Robert Fischer and Saito themes, too.


RealFfingMusic2014-02-20 22:13:30
Thanx Mike.

Hybrid can be such a teenager!


Hybrid Soldier2014-02-20 22:32:05
No, Mike is just doing an analysis of MY analysis which wasn't based on facts.

In other words, it's all wind !


Mike2014-02-20 23:29:11
Fair enough, Hybrid. :)


Edmund Meinerts2014-02-20 23:49:52
Still doesn't explain why you took down the credits, though. That was immature.


Mike2014-02-21 00:18:48
He gave his reasoning. It "causes melodrama". I wouldn't call it melodrama, for me at least, but hey, his words. It IS mentioned a lot on this page.


Areozz2014-02-21 00:24:20
Here's my take: taking the credits away has caused melodrama. What was going on before was more like useless, petty theorizing and guessing over a topic that really isn't that vital.

Who the hell cares if a track was 35% Lorne, 25% Zimmer, and 40% some other dude??? Are you going to tag your tracks like that? Why is it so important to know exactly and precisely who did what down to a minute-by-minute level analysis?


Hybrid Soldier2014-02-21 08:24:13
I removed them, Ed, because it's based on my experience, and not on facts or any cue sheet... ;)


Edmund Meinerts2014-02-21 10:12:30
Thanks for clearing that up, Hybrid. Makes sense now. :)

Areozz, I agree that some people are getting way too concerned over details. I'm someone who does take a bit of comfort in knowing exactly who is responsible for the music I like, but on the other hand I don't wear myself out puzzling out the exact percentages or anything... :p


RealFfingMusic2014-02-21 11:19:11
Fair point, well made, Mr. Meinerts.


RealFfingMusic2014-02-21 11:22:17
And Areozz. Sorry. :)


Hybrid Soldier2014-02-21 12:01:20
I'll give an example, to show you how tricky it can be...

Blackbeard from POTC 4.

Technically the cue is Matt Margeson... But he just orchestrated / edited / arranged it... It was Hans' original suite (which, btw, was never recorded...) directly used as the cue. So Matt did work & handle it, but the cue remains HZ's music in the end...


MacArthur2014-02-21 16:46:16
Cool Thx.


Anonymous2014-02-21 18:42:04
"Who the hell cares if a track was 35% Lorne, 25% Zimmer, and 40% some other dude??? Are you going to tag your tracks like that? Why is it so important to know exactly and precisely who did what down to a minute-by-minute level analysis?"

Totally agreed. I use whatever name is on the film or CD cover. As we all know, its usually just Hans Zimmer. So stick him in the tags and be done.


MacArthur2014-02-21 20:23:47
Here here. Well said


Anonymous2014-02-22 00:14:06
saying blackbeard was never recorded you mean never recorded with real instruments right? or do you mean hans just hummed the main tune and matthew margeson did the rest? sorry if that's a dumb question. :P


bro2014-02-22 05:27:12
To keep it simple: You can create realistic sounding demos using software that handles orchestral sample libraries.


Hybrid Soldier2014-02-22 08:46:23
Yeah of course I mean with no "real" instruments... He wrote it with samples, a long suite only half used in the movie...


Mike2014-02-22 18:45:36
I'd love to hear the rest of that!


NM2014-02-23 16:41:30
That's pretty cool Hybrid. Do you have any idea why they decided not to record it. The album presentation of 'Blackbeard' is crap.


RealFfingMusic2014-02-24 05:59:43
Which suite is that?

And who did the cues for "Mombassa Chase" and "Fisher and Son"?


RealFfingMusic2014-02-24 06:03:32
I am asking about "Mombassa Chase" again cuz Mike said above Mombassa is LB but Chase is Hans. So I'm confused.

And it's "Fischer and Son". Sorry :)


Mike2014-02-24 14:12:32
You're right, Mombasa Chase is Hans—it's lifted directly out of Hans' Mombasa suite pretty much—but if it is Lorne Balfe, it just means he arranged it for the scene. It doesn't have to mean it was *his* music or that he even did anything considerable to it. But Mombasa Chase may be just Hans for all we know. I'd stick with saying it's Lorne's arrangement for now, personally, but hey.... lol

Mike reply Replies: 4 || 2014-02-19 03:06:56
E Tragic Strings Suite (1:38)....is that a new addition to the tracklist? I don't recall seeing that there before...


thejok3rrules2014-02-19 04:55:47
It is a new addition...


Anonymous2014-02-20 03:27:30
Wonder what theme it is....


Areozz2014-02-20 04:40:15
We can't be missing out on much considering that it's less than two minutes long. It's just another little thing Hybrid decided to add on top of removing the credits. I don't mean to sound rude, but sometimes he can be a selfish little bitch. An action that he might feel will make him the hero or make him special is more likely to make him look like an asshole.

I expect the new track to be something along the lines of the middle part of "Waiting for a Train" from the OST, which can also be found in the Reverie and Sleep Dreams from the Dream App. I wouldn't fret over it too much.


SanAntonioSpurs2014-02-20 18:24:22
this suite (Tragic Strings Suite) - track Saito Fate ?

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