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Its Imagine the Fire insertThe Japanese version can be ordered here: http: //www.cdjapan.co.jp/ product/WPCR-18185<br><br>The "Swan Song" is also included on the CD. So it has 3 additional tracks.Theres quite a bit of good unreleased stuff from this score. Stuff like the cue that plays during Alita's first game of motorball with the other kids, the bar fight music, the unused string rendition of Alita's theme and the end titles arrangement of Motorball/Swan Song.Does anyone have the "Motorball" cue from end credits? It sounds like the beginning of the "Motorball" track but it's different than on the OST. It plays directly after the Swan Song track...<br><br>Why is it left off the CD?Huh... Do people at RCP ask H-Z.com to use the official, less accurate credits in some cases? I seem to recall some credit fiasco on POTC4.
So what happened to the credits here? It used to be a mixture of solo Atli cues with Atli/Dave Fleming, and now all three guys are credited for every track even though Tillman is only listed as a musician? Is this like with Armageddon, where the "official" credits aren't as accurate as the older ones were? :pMost of the album is comprised of suites, with one consistent tempo per track. <br><br>The material that was scored to picture was scored using the risset rhythm technique, which gave a lot of those tracks their "infinitely getting faster" feeling in the film, so the tempo is always climbing in the film versions. The suites have a stable tempo (except for a couple normal tempo changes, which are different)Not really any... "Nothing Out There" contains the sad piano theme from Begins and Dark Knight, but otherwise the themes that get reprised are pretty much Hans stuff. <br><br>Speaking of credits, any chance the complete score page could be updated with what's out there and official?Could somebody tell me in what cues JNH's themes appear on album?Yeah, that cue was either a last minute rewrite or one of the music editors did it.... As for where you can find it...Google is your friend. But it's not going to be available anywhere officially.
I think it will be in between NOT ORDINARY CITIZEN / THE SLOW KNIFE and IMAGINE THE FIRE, Does anybody know where can I find it?<br>I noticed that this score doesn't has the soundtrack of the part where Blake is taking the people to the bridge and he is discusing with the other police officer before he blows the bridgeThat's right, I forgot about that... And I totally agree about the score vs. the album. I had no use for this score on album at first, but now that I've watched the movie a few times, I can really hear the logic behind the score and I "get it." <br><br>I still don't get the music as heard on album, though. Are the longer pieces some early suites Hans wrote? Or did he specifically make these arrangements for the album? Do you know the answer to that one, Hybrid?I wanna say I heard the full Cat Suite somewhere... I can't remember if it was legit, but it was 15:39 and it was indeed quite repetitive. It was basically the Selina Kyle Suite from the Z+ app, along with demos of several of the Catwoman-related cues in the final score. If you've listened through the score, you've basically heard the unreleased stuff.@Mike<br>Zimmer has said in interviews that he “mapped out” the film with one long piece of music to establish the changing tempo of the story, and apparently the script was written to capture the rhythmic feel of the film. So from the very beginning the story was always split up between the three.<br><br>I think a big part of the initial disappointment with the score was the album presentation, which gives off the impression that the music is just some sound design that Zimmer threw together (this is how I personally felt when I first gave it a listen). In actuality it’s a technically impressive score, I really can’t think of any other film score that is so synchronized with a film’s tempo and flows as one long piece of music. Apparently it was a nightmare for Hans, especially when the smallest edits to the film would ruin the flow.<br><br>Doing the 59-minute album was a pretty big disservice to the whole purpose of the music. If you remove one piece the whole thing falls apart, which is part of the reason the album feels so disjointed.
Anyone here listened "The Predator" FYC score? <br>Any chance to compare tracklist and running time with official release?These versions suites haven't been officially released, but maybe you can find them somewhere around the Internet unofficially.<br><br>As for the Cat Suite, the most important parts of it can be found in "Selina Kyle" (it's a shortened version of it actually) and "Mind if I cut in?" from the OST. I remember that Hybrid once said that the 15mins Cat Suite was too repetitive, that's why a 5min only version was released, so maybe you are just fine with those two.<br>Where can I listen to the Cat Suite? Or is it literally: Selina Kyle Theme? <br>The Mole P1 (0-1:57)<br>Regimental Brothers P1 (0-1:19)<br>The Mole P2 (1:57-3:44)<br>Regimental Brothers P3 (2:44 onward)<br>We Need Our Army Back<br>Shivering Soldier<br>Supermarine P1 (0-2:47)<br>The Mole P3 (3:45 onward)<br>We Need Our Army Back (again) <br>Supermarine P2 (*5:33)<br>Impulse<br>The Tide<br>Home <br>The Oil <br>Variation 15<br>End Credits <br><br>As everyone said already, the album is made up of suites that combine several cues and several "sounds" used in various places. For example, the is a sound in The Mole (At 2:05) that sounds like a fuse being ignited. This sound is actually right after The Tide in the film.<br>The only tracks that are almost identical to the film are: The Tide, Variation 15 and End Credits, the rest is different. <br><br>So if you were to order the tracks as first heard in the film it would be: <br>The Mole <br>Regimental Brothers <br>We Need Our Army Back<br>Shivering Soldier <br>Supermarine <br>Impluse <br>The Tide <br>Home <br>The Oil<br>Variation 15<br>End credits<br><br>As much as I enjoyed listening to this release, I wish they didn't butcher the score the way they did. I like the suites but there are so many great cues in this film that weren't released. If only they released an isolated score track on Blu-ray. Listening to film extracts is just not enough.I noticed that as well — the ticking goes all through the movie, except for the boat scenes, and only stops when they get on the train. <br><br>I wonder...could the film have originally been shot so that the beach, sea, and air sequences were there own arcs, and the longer album tracks were written for that? And then Nolan went in and turned the movie into the frenetic, constantly cutting-back-and-forth final product? <br><br>While the album is fine, I personally don't understand why we couldn't have just gotten the film cues. They might have had to stitch several together for each track, but it could have worked.
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Hans ZimmerLorne BalfeMel WessonAndrew Zack
ComposerAdditional MusicAmbient Music DesignScore Coordinator
Inception (Complete Score)
Label: Unofficial Release
Length: 160'55
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  1. Logos (0:45)
  2. Cobb Meets Saito (2:05)
  3. Extraction (7:05)
  4. Audition (1:17)
  5. I Don't Like Trains (1:06)
  6. Hotel & Helicopter (6:08)
  7. Miles Introduces Ariadne (4:53)
  8. Physics & Subconscious (3:46)
  9. Totem (1:14)
  10. Thief & A Forger (1:48)
  11. Mombasa Chase (2:33)
  12. Penrose Steps & Sleepers (5:09)
  13. Vultures Are Circling (3:15)
  14. Strategy (7:03)
  15. Dreams Or Memories (5:43)
  16. En Route (3:29)
  17. Looking Into Limbo - Interrogation (5:59)
  18. Saito's Fate (0:43)
  19. Disappointed (1:43)
  20. Mal & Cobb (7:06)
  21. Into The Van (3:13)
  22. Mr. Charles (12:34)
  23. Destabilization (2:43)
  24. Planning The Diversion (1:22)
  25. To The Complex (3:28)
  26. It's A Trap (8:51)
  27. Walking Through Limbo (4:43)
  28. An Idea Is Like A Virus (2:23)
  29. Truth Once Known (7:30)
  30. Fischer & Son (3:27)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  31. Honor Our Agreement (4:43)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  32. Welcome Home Mr. Cobb (3:39)
  33. F Riff Suite (1:58)
    Hans Zimmer
  34. Mal Dark Suite (7:53)
    Hans Zimmer
  35. Mombasa Suite (4:55)
  36. E Tragic Strings Suite (1:39)
  37. Kick It Suite (4:06)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
  38. Time Suite (4:38)
    Hans Zimmer
  39. Looking Into Limbo (Alternate) (0:53)
  40. Mr. Charles (Alternate) (2:40)
  41. Incepton Trailer Music (1:17)
    Hans Zimmer, Lorne Balfe
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Mike reply Replies: 2 || 2018-08-19 22:46:26
It's criminal that Mr Charles, Strategy, and It's a Trap weren't included on the OST. I guess we did get It's a Trap as a bonus track, but it wasn't the film version.


Mr Tweedy2018-08-20 11:58:05
I agree. Though the album selection is pretty solid, those tracks you mentioned are definitely missing!


Mike2018-08-21 00:43:28
"Thief & A Forger" and "An Idea is Like a Virus" are two other good cues. The latter is a powerful rendition of the Time theme.

badbu reply Replies: 3 || 2014-01-09 19:56:31
this is really the best soundtrack of the last years! an amazing masterpice!so perfect!


Macejko2014-01-09 20:28:05
Doge, is that you?


Leo2014-01-10 00:23:21
wow
such score
much braaaaaam
wow


badbu2014-01-10 11:16:38
@Macejko: no :P

Poe reply Replies: 1 || 2014-11-29 00:15:16
What is the E Tragic Strings Suite? Another OST addition?


Hybrid Soldier2014-11-29 00:17:44
Nope... But it's in the OST actually, mixed with something else & faded, in "We Built Our Own World"...

Anonymous reply Replies: 5 || 2015-07-10 16:33:24
Is the 10-and-a-half-minute "Time" suite from the iPhone app official? It's got some Mr Charles elements throughout. Beautiful stuff.


Mike2015-07-10 16:43:49
Official or not, it's really pretty.


Mike2015-07-10 16:55:39
There is also an almost-7-minute long track using the "Radical Notion" album track theme, and the beginning sounds a lot like the Batman v. Superman teaser.

I think this tracklist may have to be updated! :)


bro2015-07-11 02:11:15
They weren't released with the soundtrack or included in the film, but the tracks were still composed by Hans Zimmer, and mixed by Alan Myerson, and mastered by RCP.


Anonymous2015-08-07 19:59:31
the above mentioned tracks are real?


Mike2017-03-07 17:31:09
Yes, they're real. I'm not sure why they're not listed here.

tomPoland reply Replies: 4 || 2014-01-08 11:13:26
I found this in the web. Anyone can tell me what is it?

CD 1
01. Opening Titles
02. A Forgotten Dream
03. Stranded
04. Dream Is Collapsing
05. The Train
06. James and Philipa
07. Saito’s Project
08. The Architect
09. Five Minutes
10. Totem
11. The Forger
12. Mombasa
13. Paradox (Sedative)
14. Mr Fisher
15. The Project
16. Cobb’s Memories
17. Plane to Catch
18. Disappointment. One Sample Idea. We Need to Move

CD 2
01. Subconscious (The Hotel)
02. Rotating Hallway
03. The Kick
04. Massive Attack
05. We Built Our Own World
06. Wating For A Train
07. Is Not Real
08. Collapse
09. Come Back
10. End Credits

CD 3
01. A Forgotten Dream (Editated)
02. A Dream Within a Dream. The Train (Alternate)
03. James and Philipa (Alternate)
04. The Architet (Alternate)
05. A Totem (Editated). The Forger (Alternate)
06. ParadoxSedative (Alternate)
07. Mr. Fisher (Editated). The Project part one (Alternate)
08. The Project (Alternate - Long Version)
09. Cobb’s Dreams (Alternate)
10. Disappointment. One Sample Idea (Alternate)We Need to Move (Isolated)
11. Subconscious (Alternate)
12. Rotating Hallway (Isolate Alternate)
13. The Kick (Isolate)
14. Massive Attack (Isolate)
15. Massive Attack (Alt.1)
16. Massive Attack (Alt.2)
17. Is Not Real (Alternate)
18. Is Not Real (Short Version)
19. Collapse (Different Version)
20. Come Back (Alt.1)
21. Come Back (Alt.2)
22. Inception (Suite Frmo the Movie)

CD 4
01. Time - (Mix Version)
02. Time (We Plants Are Happy Plants Remix)
03. Inception (Junkie XL Remix)
04. Dream Is Collapsing (The Extractor’s Theme)
05. Mal’s Theme
06. Ariadne - The Architect’s Theme
07. Disappointment
08. Chaos
09. Limbo
10. We Built Our Own World (Different Version)
11. We Built Our Own World (Alternate)
12. Radical Notion (Alt.1)
13. Radical Notion (Alt.2)
14. Old Souls (Alternate)
15. 528491 (Alternate)
16. Mombasa - Album Version (Alternate)
17. One Simple Idea (Different Version)
18. Dream Within a Dream (Different Version)
19. Dream Within a Dream (Alternate)
20. Paradox (Alt.1)
21. Paradox (Alt.2)

CD 5
01. Main Theme
02. Time (Angels version)
03. Time (Different Version)
04. Dream Is Collapsing (Album Version)
05. Dream Is Collapsing (Mix Version)
06. Still Dream (Theme from Inception The App)
07. Action Dream (Theme From Inception The App)
08. Travelling Dream (Theme From Inception The App)
09. 1st Trailer
10. 2nd Trailer
11. 3th Trailer
12. Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien
13. Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien (Slow Version)
14. The Hotel (Clip, No SFX)
15. One Simple Idea (Album Version)
16. Mombasa (Album Version)
17. Old Souls (Album Version)
18. Time (Album Version)
19. The Point Man (Arthur’s Theme)
20. Life Takes Death Gives (Unused)


badbu2014-01-08 12:17:36
garbage...a fan super extrem power edit! ;)


Hybrid Soldier2014-01-08 12:20:35
I think the "Lorne Balfe (High Fart Remix Version of Dream Is Collapsing)" is apparently missing from this awesome thing...


badbu 2014-01-08 12:54:28
:D :D a must have remix!!!


Mike2014-01-10 01:48:26
Some tracks are "editated"? Ha...this list is pure crap.

Ian reply Replies: 0 || 2018-03-04 21:39:08
Hybrid - do you have any sense of whether or not Hans did the Mombasa Suite alone? I'm making a point of updating my credits for this, and I'm curious to know if it's all him or a joint Hans/Lorne effort. Many thanks!

LILIMING reply Replies: 0 || 2018-01-11 04:11:54
I love this at moive

Mike (OTM) reply Replies: 3 || 2017-11-05 00:52:10
Mr. Charles is a great cue. I put it on a loop while studying and it works really well.


Andreas2017-11-05 17:05:31
Regarding. Mr Charles , I think Balfe wrote that


Mike (OTM)2017-11-05 22:10:51
Well, he was certainly involved with it, since it uses the Fischer theme a lot. Actually, the first couple minutes are a variation on a longer Time Suite from the Inception app, which I believe is just Zimmer. But I don't know.


Dom2017-11-06 13:08:24
Remember when Hybrid had credits for the cues so we knew who did what, and then removed them? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Felix reply Replies: 0 || 2017-10-05 10:43:54
Hey Hybrid, is it possible that you upload the Mal Dark Suite on YouTube??

Max Potcats reply Replies: 4 || 2017-08-17 23:29:37
Anyone knows anything about this beautiful bonus track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivveLyjC9RQ&ab_channel=super flybrain

It was on an ultra-complete score and i wonder why it isn't that famous because... well did you listed it? Also is it a suite or an unused cue ?

If anyone knows :)


Hybrid Soldier2017-08-17 23:44:30
It has nothing to do with Inception.


Max Potcats2017-08-18 10:41:46
I see ^_^ and do you know from what movie it comes? And is it Hans' music?


bro2017-08-19 08:15:32
the samples are far to cheap to be anything to do with rcp


Edmund Meinerts2017-08-20 00:08:33
Are you kidding? Cheap samples and RCP go together like peanut butter and jelly. :p

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2017-03-06 18:50:00
Download button isn't working?


Edmund Meinerts2017-03-06 19:15:25
Jesus, if I had a nickel for every time someone asked about the stupid download button...

Tom Hopes reply Replies: 0 || 2016-08-01 13:31:45
I have seen Inception, the expanded score and wondering if this is an official release or is it something that someone has made and selling off as an official release as I can't find much information anywhere about it?

Jeremy reply Replies: 0 || 2016-08-11 21:27:18
How do I buy and listen to these tracks? (Complete score?)

Anonymous reply Replies: 4 || 2016-07-14 04:32:39
what is f riff suite? dream is collapsing?


Anonymous 22016-07-14 04:41:53
Yeah, a demo version I think...

Question for the great and all-knowing Hybrid Soldier lol. You said on the Kung Fu Panda page that Lorne made suites of some of Hans' themes for this score. Do you know what those suites are? Like we know that Time and Mal Suite = Zimmer alone, so what were the suites Lorne did based off Hans Zimmer's ideas?


Hybrid Soldier2016-07-14 10:32:07
Actually I was speaking in general.

But on this score I was thinking about Kick-It... I think all the others are Hans.


Mike2016-07-14 16:41:19
"Actually I was speaking in general..."

That's a tad surprising. With the exception of POTC 3 and maybe Man of Steel, it seems like most of the suites on a given Zimmer score will be Zimmer himself. Do you have any other examples besides Inception and POTC 3 where Lorne did suites like this?


Mike2016-07-14 16:46:12
Well, POTC 3 and 2, but it seems the suites from #2 haven't seen the light of day.

no name reply Replies: 1 || 2015-08-07 19:26:17
How do you even listen to all these tracks?


anon2015-09-03 16:25:43
Blaringly, with eyes closed.

Mike reply Replies: 2 || 2015-03-30 22:49:54
I really, really love the "Strategy" cue. Terrific to have in the background during writing or studying. That cue and "Mr. Charles"--a travesty they weren't put on the album release.


Adam2015-03-31 01:34:35
I really don't think they would've put a 12-minute track on the OST Mike. That rarely happens anymore. We got luck with Angels & Demons!


Mike2015-03-31 15:51:32
After getting a 28-minute suite on Man of Steel, I consider nothing impossible anymore. :P But tons of Hans' moderately long suites that frequently appear on album beg to differ as it is, no?

mankiboi reply Replies: 0 || 2015-03-03 19:43:38
Oh come on you insiders, go ask Hans Zimmer what of those 01-29 tracks he did and what he did not do. Or ask that other guy who worked with him, he should know!ffs!

Boldizar reply Replies: 0 || 2015-02-24 02:52:57
Has anyone heard or have any information on "Score Gems Team". I came across an actual two disc set with this track listing and wondering what the story is.

Mike reply Replies: 6 || 2015-01-15 01:07:37
I just noticed the new crediting here...so Zimmer DID help write the Kick It suite?


Hybrid Soldier2015-01-15 11:13:44
I don't think so, from what I've been told, but I'll never have concrete proof of that... :)


Mike2015-01-24 18:44:16
I also see that Mombasa Suite is no longer credited...Is that just because there's nothing "official" to go by? And then also, was a suite written for the Fischer theme?


Anonymous2015-02-23 23:36:37
can we safely say zimmer wrote the saito theme (ya know, the super-low string theme daaaaaa DWAAAAAAAA....lol) since it was in the hans zimmer revealed concert?


Adam2015-02-23 23:48:51
Hey Anonymous, can you be more specific please? I've never been good at distinguishing themes and I'd like to know what your interpretation of Saito's theme is. Thanks!


Anonymous2015-02-23 23:54:15
if you're just listening off the soundtrack album listen to the second half of "paradox"...it's in there...it also plays at the beginning of the movie when it shows the old man saito...and it also plays when saito is lying wounded on the table, and when he throws the grenade down the ventilation shaft in the snowy dream level :P


Adam2015-02-24 00:55:23
Ok I thought so. Thank you for clarifying and being so specific ;)

Anonymous reply Replies: 1 || 2015-01-29 01:04:20
Where would you get the music?


T-Mann0362015-01-30 02:12:04
Google is your only solution.

Zimson reply Replies: 5 || 2014-08-21 21:16:32
Is "Kick it" actually written by Lorne Balfe or is it an arrangement of a source cue by Hans?


hmmokey2014-08-22 01:32:32
both composed this track ''Kick it Suite''


LBC2014-08-22 16:09:37
I think it's just Lorne


Mike2014-08-22 18:01:15
As far as I know it's just Lorne, but I've often wondered if Hans at least wrote the basic cue, since it's used so often in this score.


Mike2014-08-22 18:50:23
As an interesting side note, IMHO Kick It is the best theme in the score (maybe after the Time suite). So kudos to Lorne, Hans, or both for coming up with it.


Anonymous2014-11-25 22:31:04
Kick It has to have been at least BASICALLY written by Hans first and then turned into a suite by Mr Balfe/arranged by him for the film later...because even in the making-of video with Zimmer that theme is used a lot...

Anonymous reply Replies: 0 || 2014-11-25 22:29:08
The Fischer theme by Lorne Balfe hit it outta the park for the safe opening scene. One of the most moving scenes of the film.

Insert reply Replies: 2 || 2014-04-24 13:40:09
Have you noticed the links of internet have two songs titled "Insert"? These one are the alternate versions of "Looking Into Limbo" and "Mr. Charles".

By the by, what is the E Tragic Strings Suite?


Anonymous2014-08-14 02:08:47
Yeah what is the e tragic strings suite?


Radik2014-08-14 18:55:15
It's 528491 from original score I think

Mike reply Replies: 0 || 2014-08-01 20:21:19
Nice new cover. ;)

Ariadne reply Replies: 2 || 2014-03-01 18:52:57
Why are cues 4m20 & 4m21 missing from this? We have 4m19 and then it skips right over to 4m22...isn't Edith Piáf the only source cue?


Anonymous2014-03-05 17:33:47
good question ariadne, I wonder this too. No one knows?


MZ2014-04-26 03:19:10
Because no music is playing during that time :)

RealFfingMusic reply Replies: 26 || 2014-02-18 13:01:08
A question for Hybrid - where did the credits go?


Edmund Meinerts2014-02-18 13:40:08
Seems to me like he threw a temper tantrum and took them down...check the thread below this one. Don't ask me why... :|


RealFfingMusic2014-02-20 08:50:13
OH, COME ON!!!

Who did what here?


Mike2014-02-20 14:13:03
Lorne Balfe did all the cues, Hans Zimmer did the F Riff suite (Dream Is Collapsing), Mal Dark suite (Old Souls), Time suite (Time), and Mombasa suite (Mombasa), and Lorne Balfe did the Kick It suite (One Simple Idea, albeit extended).

Some cues are just Lorne's music, most cues are Hans and Lorne, and a couple (like Mombasa Chase and Welcome Home, Mr Cobb) are essentially just Hans.


Mike2014-02-20 14:13:45
Oh, and Lorne did the Robert Fischer and Saito themes, too.


RealFfingMusic2014-02-20 22:13:30
Thanx Mike.

Hybrid can be such a teenager!


Hybrid Soldier2014-02-20 22:32:05
No, Mike is just doing an analysis of MY analysis which wasn't based on facts.

In other words, it's all wind !


Mike2014-02-20 23:29:11
Fair enough, Hybrid. :)


Edmund Meinerts2014-02-20 23:49:52
Still doesn't explain why you took down the credits, though. That was immature.


Mike2014-02-21 00:18:48
He gave his reasoning. It "causes melodrama". I wouldn't call it melodrama, for me at least, but hey, his words. It IS mentioned a lot on this page.


Areozz2014-02-21 00:24:20
Here's my take: taking the credits away has caused melodrama. What was going on before was more like useless, petty theorizing and guessing over a topic that really isn't that vital.

Who the hell cares if a track was 35% Lorne, 25% Zimmer, and 40% some other dude??? Are you going to tag your tracks like that? Why is it so important to know exactly and precisely who did what down to a minute-by-minute level analysis?


Hybrid Soldier2014-02-21 08:24:13
I removed them, Ed, because it's based on my experience, and not on facts or any cue sheet... ;)


Edmund Meinerts2014-02-21 10:12:30
Thanks for clearing that up, Hybrid. Makes sense now. :)

Areozz, I agree that some people are getting way too concerned over details. I'm someone who does take a bit of comfort in knowing exactly who is responsible for the music I like, but on the other hand I don't wear myself out puzzling out the exact percentages or anything... :p


RealFfingMusic2014-02-21 11:19:11
Fair point, well made, Mr. Meinerts.


RealFfingMusic2014-02-21 11:22:17
And Areozz. Sorry. :)


Hybrid Soldier2014-02-21 12:01:20
I'll give an example, to show you how tricky it can be...

Blackbeard from POTC 4.

Technically the cue is Matt Margeson... But he just orchestrated / edited / arranged it... It was Hans' original suite (which, btw, was never recorded...) directly used as the cue. So Matt did work & handle it, but the cue remains HZ's music in the end...


MacArthur2014-02-21 16:46:16
Cool Thx.


Anonymous2014-02-21 18:42:04
"Who the hell cares if a track was 35% Lorne, 25% Zimmer, and 40% some other dude??? Are you going to tag your tracks like that? Why is it so important to know exactly and precisely who did what down to a minute-by-minute level analysis?"

Totally agreed. I use whatever name is on the film or CD cover. As we all know, its usually just Hans Zimmer. So stick him in the tags and be done.


MacArthur2014-02-21 20:23:47
Here here. Well said


Anonymous2014-02-22 00:14:06
saying blackbeard was never recorded you mean never recorded with real instruments right? or do you mean hans just hummed the main tune and matthew margeson did the rest? sorry if that's a dumb question. :P


bro2014-02-22 05:27:12
To keep it simple: You can create realistic sounding demos using software that handles orchestral sample libraries.


Hybrid Soldier2014-02-22 08:46:23
Yeah of course I mean with no "real" instruments... He wrote it with samples, a long suite only half used in the movie...


Mike2014-02-22 18:45:36
I'd love to hear the rest of that!


NM2014-02-23 16:41:30
That's pretty cool Hybrid. Do you have any idea why they decided not to record it. The album presentation of 'Blackbeard' is crap.


RealFfingMusic2014-02-24 05:59:43
Which suite is that?

And who did the cues for "Mombassa Chase" and "Fisher and Son"?


RealFfingMusic2014-02-24 06:03:32
I am asking about "Mombassa Chase" again cuz Mike said above Mombassa is LB but Chase is Hans. So I'm confused.

And it's "Fischer and Son". Sorry :)


Mike2014-02-24 14:12:32
You're right, Mombasa Chase is Hans—it's lifted directly out of Hans' Mombasa suite pretty much—but if it is Lorne Balfe, it just means he arranged it for the scene. It doesn't have to mean it was *his* music or that he even did anything considerable to it. But Mombasa Chase may be just Hans for all we know. I'd stick with saying it's Lorne's arrangement for now, personally, but hey.... lol

Mike reply Replies: 4 || 2014-02-19 03:06:56
E Tragic Strings Suite (1:38)....is that a new addition to the tracklist? I don't recall seeing that there before...


thejok3rrules2014-02-19 04:55:47
It is a new addition...


Anonymous2014-02-20 03:27:30
Wonder what theme it is....


Areozz2014-02-20 04:40:15
We can't be missing out on much considering that it's less than two minutes long. It's just another little thing Hybrid decided to add on top of removing the credits. I don't mean to sound rude, but sometimes he can be a selfish little bitch. An action that he might feel will make him the hero or make him special is more likely to make him look like an asshole.

I expect the new track to be something along the lines of the middle part of "Waiting for a Train" from the OST, which can also be found in the Reverie and Sleep Dreams from the Dream App. I wouldn't fret over it too much.


SanAntonioSpurs2014-02-20 18:24:22
this suite (Tragic Strings Suite) - track Saito Fate ?

Anonymous reply Replies: 15 || 2014-02-15 15:57:38
I was watching the movie today and listening to the music on a scene-by-scene basis.....it's amazing how much Lorne Balfe did on this score. It's really good music, too. Does he ever feel disappointed that he isn't properly credited?


MacArthur2014-02-15 17:54:56
What the heck is the download Arrow for?


thejok3rrules2014-02-15 20:47:46
It looks better with it.


MacArthur2014-02-16 01:28:56
Ok Cause I was wondering why the heck you have the download arrow when you can't download the track. or at least I couldn't


Mike2014-02-16 21:14:31
Re: the initial post, I have a question here maybe Hybrid can answer....seeing as Lorne Balfe's Kick It theme is used A LOT throughout this movie (I'd call it one of the primary themes), was it Hans who decided he wanted that theme used so much (even though he didn't write it) or did the director like it a lot and want them to use it?


Anonymous2014-02-16 22:13:37
hybrid where do you get crediting info from? or are you not allowed to say? :P


Hybrid Soldier2014-02-17 00:00:07
Since all this has become such an important melodrama around here, I just removed the credits...

Hope it eases your minds !


Edmund Meinerts2014-02-17 12:08:57
Huh? What? Why would you do that, Hybrid?


Anonymous2014-02-17 15:09:00
Read this quote from a Lorne Balfe interview to the end, everybody, then tell me: is it really SO shocking that judging by his description of things, he'd end up writing a good deal of the score (he's talking about Inception an Sherlock Holmes below)?

“There’s lots of producers I know where they don’t really do much. They just come in and listen to something and then make one change—turn the cowbell up and then everyone else does the work. It’s totally different with me; it’s really a case of trying to help create a sonic world and figure out the different instruments being used, and also I was doing additional writing on it as well. So it’s trying to help create the sonic world. I might have different ideas and it will be put in. I think if you don’t [sometimes tell Hans his direction is wrong] you don’t create anything interesting, because you might like orange juice and I don’t. Or we could discuss why we actually don’t like it and use a teaspoon of apple juice and we get a mix. If either of us don’t like something, we say it, and that creates a good partnership.”


Anonymous2014-02-17 15:10:41
And bear in mind that unlike, say, TDKR where Lorne was basically just Hans' arranger, he was the producer on this film, which, as the interview quote shows, is a much larger role.


Mike2014-02-17 15:16:20
Thanks, Anonymous. Very interesting quote. Hybrid, does Hans have the same role as the producer in Modern Warfare 2's score as Lorne does on some of Hans' scores? Because I've always thought that MW2's score had Zimmer's influence all around.


MacArthur2014-02-17 16:02:41
I'm with you on that one Mike. Also though if that is the case. I still think that on this score Lorne (by his own words) is an Additional Music composer. Not a co-Composer he takes the Ideas that Hans already wrote. and either adds to them or says let's change that around a bit.

But I would be interested on the take of what would be the Mw2 score if that is the case Zimmer was more than just a producer and main theme guy. he should actually be on with additional music if not co-Composer on that score.

Does what i say make sense?


Hybrid Soldier2014-02-17 16:03:00
When Lorne gets an "Additional Music / Music Producer" credit, it's a disguised way to say co-composer (Inception, Frost/Nixon, Sherlock 1 & 2...)


MacArthur2014-02-17 16:14:20
Oh! ok thanks for the info. What about CoDmw2


Mike2014-02-17 16:18:14
Here's the one thing I don't get (don't take this as melodrama—I have no problems with collaboration or anything. I just want opinions). Hans said in some interview once that he likes collaboration because, among other things, it gives the other guys experience, and he said wants people to know "that Lorne Balfe is a good composer", which is part of the reason he always works with him. But wouldn't a better way to get Lorne's name out there be to actually put Lorne's name up there with Hans' on scores where Lorne's work is substantial? Idk, maybe it's not Hans' call, but if he wants Lorne to be known in the composing world, the current way isn't best IMO. Because so many people think that with Inception, all the music you're hearing is Zimmer. And all that does is boost peoples' esteem of Zimmer and keep them in the dark about talents like Lorne Balfe. Most people don't bother looking at more specific credits. ;)


MacArthur2014-02-17 21:48:59
I do see what you are saying Mike. Although with the Inception score Technically Zimmer did write most of it. (aside from the kick it suite. even though that was used most in the film.) The other stuff was written by Zimmer then you have a mix of both for the score. as Lorne said in the interview "Hans would write something and I would add something and we'd decide whether to keep it or throw it away." Although the method to get him in. with the other top people is probably to give him a film he can actually do by himself.

Mike reply Replies: 2 || 2014-01-24 03:33:37
Does anyone else think of part of "The Briefcase" from Horner's Amazing Spider-Man when they here the "Hotel & Helicopter" cue in here (the part when Cobb is talking to his kids on the phone)?


Areozz2014-01-24 14:12:40
Not exactly. But what I do hear is James Horner being James Horner. If I'm listening to the right bit of music, all I hear is Horner's A Beautiful Mind, specifically "Playing A Game of Go".


Mike2014-01-24 15:29:11
Where I really heard A Beautiful Mind was The Ganali Device. ;)

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